Meat + Three

By Heritage Radio Network

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A square meal for your ears! This zesty, 15-minute weekly update on food stories and commentary is modeled after the Southern meat-and-three-sides concept: a deep dive and three shorts. Keep up with the latest food trends, the political economy and societal impact of food, health news, and more. Discover your next favorite food podcast via our rotating contributors, and join us as we explore what the fork is going on in the world right now. Meat + Three is the voice of Heritage Radio Network, a Brooklyn-based nonprofit food media mecca with over 35 weekly food shows and a mission to make the world more equitable, sustainable, and delicious. Meat + Three is hosted by HRN Executive Director Caity Moseman Wadler and Communications Director Kat Johnson.

Episode Date
It’s June, so all of us at Heritage Radio Network are celebrating Pride month! Pride honors the 1969 Stonewall riots that launched the Gay Liberation Movement here in New York City. Before you binge watch season two of Queer Eye, catch up with this week's episode of Meat + Three. First, we turn to last week’s Supreme Court decision about the baker from Colorado who refused to design a wedding cake for a same-sex couple, back in 2012. To recap: Charlie Craig and David Mullins met, fell in love and decided to get married. They went to the Masterpiece Cakeshop, to order a custom cake for their wedding, but the owner, Jack Phillips, denied their request. He cited his Christian faith and religious objection to same sex marriage. The ACLU filed a complaint with the Colorado Civil Rights Commission and in 2013, that organization ruled against Phillips. His lawyers failed to get the ruling overturned in Colorado, but two years ago, the US Supreme Court agreed to hear the case. On June 4th, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of Phillips and Masterpiece Cakeshop, saying that the Colorado Civil Rights Commission did not act as a neutral ruling body in the matter. We were surprised by the decision, so we asked our correspondent Esther Trakinski to share some insight on Justice Kennedy’s majority decision. (Trakinski practiced law for 25 years before becoming a food systems specialist and adjunct professor at NYU.) She told us that the Supreme Court decision is much narrower than civil rights advocates feared, and actually called it “a resounding acknowledgement that gay people are protected persons under the law.” The decision was procedural and highly specific to this case. To be sure, some may try to invoke this decision to deny services to gay people for their weddings, but last week’s ruling ensures their actions would still be considered unlawful in a courtroom. Still, emotions are running high after the verdict–we’ve seen a deluge of negative Yelp reviews about Masterpiece Cakeshop, and actor Andrew Garfield pled at the Tony Awards “let’s just bake a cake for everyone who wants a cake to be baked.” That’s why we’re delighted to introduce you to Jim Samaras, who co-owns Lora’s Donuts and Bakery shop with his wife in Englewood, Colorado. Not only did they reach out and offer to bake Charlie and David a custom wedding cake (a rainbow cake, to be more specific), they gave it to the couple for free. Our next story turns to Taylor Lanzet, another woman whose work brings us joy. As the Director of Supply and Sustainability, she sources vegetables for Dig Inn, a fast casual restaurant chain that focuses on serving local produce. Host Dana Cowin, who currently has a consulting gig with the restaurant group, welcomed Lanzet to her show, Speaking Broadly on an episode she called “Queer Eye for the Food Supply.” Kat Johnson addresses the controversy surrounding Antoni Porowski, Queer Eye’s Food and Wine Expert. Many viewers thought his recipes from season one were unsophisticated, but we ask: what’s wrong with simple food? Mitchell Davis, the Executive Vice President of the James Beard Foundation, even weighs in on simple food and provides us with one of his favorite summer recipes! We end with a story by Hannah Fordin of a food writer who’s exploring the fascinating correlation between the vegan and LGBTQ communities. Leah Kirts is a freelance food writer and nutrition educator for a non profit in Harlem. She developed research on the intersection between the LGBTQ community and the vegan community. She shares her journey of coming out as vegetarian – and eventually vegan – before fully coming to terms with her queer identity. Love Meat + Three? Subscribe on iTunes or Stitcher, follow us on your favorite social media platforms @Heritage_Radio, rate and review us on Apple Podcasts, or drop us a line at Our theme song is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Photo via
Jun 15, 2018
Pride! – Coming Soon
To celebrate Pride Month, we speak to the bakers who created a custom wedding cake for Charlie Craig and David Mullins, the couple behind the Masterpiece Cakeshop supreme court case. We also hear from Taylor Lanzet, the Director of Supply and Sustainability at Dig Inn; Kat Johnson addresses the controversy surrounding Antoni Porowski, Queer Eye’s food & wine expert; and Hannah Fordin speaks with food writer Leah Kirts about the relationship between veganism and queer identity. Photo via Meat + Three is powered by Simplecast
Jun 13, 2018
Water Woes
Before this new episode of Meat + Three, we take a moment to remember Anthony Bourdain, who passed away today. Bourdain was in France working on an upcoming episode of his award-winning CNN series "Parts Unknown." His close friend Eric Ripert found Bourdain unresponsive in his hotel room Friday morning (June 8, 2018). CNN reported that the cause of death was suicide. Bourdain was 61 years old. We send our love and condolences to his family, friends, and team at Zero Point Zero. If someone you know exhibits warning signs of suicide, call the U.S. National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 800-273-TALK (8255). Today's topic is water. On June 2nd, the World Health Organization and UNICEF released a report that 2.1 billion people do not have access to safe drinking water at home. At HRN, our most vocal advocate for clean H20 is Katy Keiffer, host of What Doesn’t Kill You. Lately, she’s been jumping into the topic of water contamination in the heartland. We bring you excerpts from her recent shows that dive into the issue of nitrate-laced water in two farming communities. Rural areas are more affected by water pollution, but that doesn’t mean urban areas are immune to their own water woes. Hannah Fordin spoke to a reporter who just broke the story that hundreds of New York City’s water tanks could be contaminated. Our last story looks into high-end waters and what lengths bar owners and restaurateurs will go to find the perfect level of bubbles in their bottles. Love Meat + Three? Subscribe on iTunes or Stitcher, follow us on your favorite social media platforms @Heritage_Radio, rate and review us on Apple Podcasts, or drop us a line at Our theme song is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
Jun 08, 2018
Water Woes – Coming Soon
Coming up this week on Meat + Three, you’ll hear some disturbing news from an NYC investigative reporter, Katy Kieffer reports on water woes in the heartland, and we’ll check in with Dave Arnold, who’s about to open a new bar that will serve some pretty fancy H2o! So pour up a tall glass of ice water and be refreshed by this week’s episode of Meat + Three available on, Apple Podcasts, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts!
Jun 07, 2018
Taking a Stand
Since the Times-Picayune broke the news about sexual harassment allegations against New Orleans chef John Besh last fall, the restaurant industry has had to take a hard look at the bad behavior it’s tacitly allowed for years. There are many women in the industry actively trying to make the workplace safer and more equitable for everyone. Hear how an artist, editor, and restaurateur joined forces to create a poster to battle sexual harassment and how a digital directory is building equitability at food events, in publications, and beyond. Taking "a stand" literally, we have a report from Harry Rosenblum about that summer staple: the lemonade stand. We also look into a Japanese steakhouse that tried to offer standing-room-only dining at its New York location – a trend that didn't stand with diners.
Jun 01, 2018
Taking a Stand – Coming Soon
Women in the food world are taking a stand by providing resources to restaurant workers and pushing for equity in publications and events. Hear their inspiring stories, plus learn some hot tips for opening a lemonade stand this summer and discover a steak restaurant that encourages diners to stand for the duration of their meal.
May 30, 2018
Red Tape
What do Legos, Salt Bae and a cheese truck have in common? They all play a role in this week's Meat + Three, which is all about the dreaded bureaucratic red tape. To kick things off, we hear from Brandon Hoy, Dave Arnold, Sother Teague, Damon Boelte, and Jimmy Carbone, five of HRN's hosts who are all seasoned bar/restaurant owners in New York. They share some of the strangest red tape they've encountered. There are many rules governing when, how, and where you can open up shop – a lesson that the mysterious "Salt Bae" learned when he brought his eponymous restaurant (and glove-less hands) to Manhattan. Not all red tape stories are downers – HRN's Hannah Fordin catches up with NYC Council Member Rafael Espinal about the successful repeal the New York City Cabaret Law, a regulation introduced in 1926 that was often called racist, homophobic and authoritarian by its opponents. To better understand red tape in other cities, Sarah Strong brings us a report from New Haven about the efforts to make food trucks stationary and Micaela Heck speaks to a restauranteur about his campaign to bring a parking deck to downtown Roswell, Georgia.
May 25, 2018
Red Tape – Coming Soon
What do Legos, Salt Bae and a cheese truck have in common? Find out on this week’s episode of Meat + Three by Heritage Radio Network – we’re talking red tape!
May 24, 2018
Ever since the sizzling news about Chinese tariffs on pork dropped, we knew we'd have to do a Meat + Three episode about pork. This week's show features a deep dive into the tangled relationship between American soybeans and Chinese pork with help from Bettina Ring, Virginia's Secretary of Agriculture and Forestry, and Loren Puette of ChinaAg. To build up our strength to tackle such a dense subject, we first visit our friends at Heritage Foods to learn their expert tips for making a next-level BLT with your summer tomato and lettuce bounty (hint: perfect bacon = perfect BLT). Executive Director Caity Moseman Wadler gets to the bottom of the term "legislative pork" with help from Katy Keiffer of What Doesn't Kill You and Esther Trakinski, a Food/Adjunct Professor at NYU. Finally, we look into the Fatback Pig Project, a group formed in 2013 that is helping put small-scale pig farmers back to work in Alabama. Love Meat + Three? Subscribe on iTunes or Stitcher, follow us on your favorite social media platforms @Heritage_Radio, rate and review us on Apple Podcasts, or drop us a line at Our theme song is by Breakmaster Cylinder. About the episode art: after making some delicious BLTs with the Heritage Foods team, we got creative with the leftover bacon! (And then ate it, of course.) Thanks to Patty Lee and Ben Tansel for their food styling expertise!
May 18, 2018
Pork – Coming Soon
This week, on Meat + Three, HRN’s weekly food roundup, we’re talking pork. We’ll learn the best way to make a BLT, how pitmasters and restaurateurs are helping put small-scale pig farmers back to work in Alabama, what pork has to do with economics, and with government. So tune in on Friday afternoon for your weekly serving of Meat + Three, and make sure you subscribe to be the first to know when new episodes air! Get in touch with us at
May 16, 2018
Hitting a Snag
Big triumphs are often followed by bigger letdowns. Our series premiere is about hitting a snag. Vallery Lomas won season four of The Great American Baking Show, but her season never aired due to sexual misconduct allegations against one of the show's judges, Johnny Iuzzini. Mikkel Borg Bjergsø was once a champion runner. After opening his brewery, Mikkeller, he found the steady supply of beer had a negative effect on his stamina. The solution to his problem became a world-wide phenomenon. Alison Roman released her acclaimed cookbook, Dining In, in October 2017. When her recipe for Salted Chocolate Chunk Shortbread Cookies went viral, she became their Instagram "stage mom" and had to learn to deal with some unexpected haters. Finally, one of the biggest triumphs for NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio was the installation of universal free lunch for all public school students. While City Hall celebrated, workers in lunch rooms across the city faced the realization that they would soon be understaffed and overworked.
May 11, 2018
Hitting a Snag – Coming Soon
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