The BadChristian Podcast

By Bad Christian Matt, Toby, and Joey

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Matt, Toby and Joey discuss funny, controversial, and personal stuff with guests from the music business, leaders in the Christian world, and interesting folks from well outside of the Christian world. In other words... REAL TALK. | Bad Christian The language and topics used in this podcast are for mature listeners. Listen at your own discretion.

Episode Date
#393 Nerds Are Dangerous
01:02:59

We heard the horrific news of the singer of a band we've shared a stage with being the leader of an alleged sex cult. This #metoo movement is definitely shining a light on the dark side of entertainment, but we still need to get more clarity with what consent actually is. Also Joey's leading a new segment this week called "Twisted Scripture."

 

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Jun 23, 2018
#392 Christian Movies Have a Long Way to Go (with Ben Davies)
01:23:48

Matt says marriage expectations are a lie and no marriage has ever exceeded what you were told. Then, actor Ben Davies joins who has acted in many overtly Christian movies. He discusses his balance between the tension of art and moral boundaries within his acting career. We also discuss whether racial discrimination is an issue in Hollywood and why Christian movies don't deliver the same punch as mainstream film. 

 

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Jun 18, 2018
#391 Rejecting Knowledge from Authority
59:45

Matt brings a science segment with an explanation of what good reasoning is and why we should reject knowledge from authority. This relates to everything from Joey learning how to use new recording equipment to our understanding of God. Also Toby is annoyed with people thanking God for stopping worse things from happening after something terrible happened, and Joey apparently shat himself during the recording of this episode.

 

 

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Jun 14, 2018
#390 Vegan Bros
01:15:22

Authors of "Vodka is Vegan," Phil and Matt Letten drop in to discuss their journey to becoming vegans, their unique approach to veganism, and answer pointed questions about Biblical references to eating meat.

 

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Jun 11, 2018
#389 The God of Technology
01:07:46

Right wingers say God doesn't change. But we do. We have more information and ways to learn about God than we ever have. Maybe the Holy Spirit is moving through tech.

 

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Jun 08, 2018
#388 Propaganda (Jason Petty) Reacts to Recent Episodes
01:13:46

Good friend Propaganda comes on to discuss some of his issues with the recent Owen Benjamin and Andrew Klavan episodes. We're fortunate he was able to come on to fill in the gaps of the black experience Jason found them to be completely unaware of.

 

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Jun 05, 2018
#387 Civilization is Two Steps from Pure Evil
01:19:59

Toby found that there's no hope for humanity if anything happens as simple as the water supply going out. Everyone will resort to pure evil. He does bring back the damn news for this episode with a couple articles about Biblical laws, and smelly prison guards.

 

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May 31, 2018
#386 Brian McLaren Drops in to Drop Truth (or Heretical) Bombs
01:26:53

Author, Speaker, Activist, and former Pastor, Brian McLaren talks about the changing theological culture of American Christianity. Religious leaders have less control now that their followers have unlimited access to other thought-leaders online, muddying the waters of religion. This episode covers a lot of deconstructive territory, from traditional dualistic lenses, to what Christians believe about LGBTQ, and trying to convert people from other religions.

 

 

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May 28, 2018
#385 Matt Has Feelings Now
01:20:49

Matt's getting oddly sentimental feelings towards people and experiences that he doesn't know what to do with, but Joey loves it! Also turns out we're still Christians, even though Fundamentalists would call us Satanists.

 

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May 24, 2018
#384 The Low Point in Joey's Marriage
01:09:36

Joey's the happiest he can remember being his whole life, and shares some vulnerable moments about his marriage and how bad it really had gotten. We've heard a lot lately about the rising use of adderall, so we thought it'd be interesting to have our guests today on to talk about their all-natural supplement with similar effects to adderall.

 

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May 21, 2018
#383 Former Leader and Participant of Ex-Gay Program, Tim Rymel
01:35:50

Tim Rymel is an author, educator, and rethinker. He grew up conservative and was even a leader at an ex-gay program, after joining to convert out of his same-sex attraction. Now he's a social justice writer and advocate for giving a voice to the dissonant questions that reside in all of us. Matt recaps his trip to NYC with his daughter and Toby has an update on the new Emery album.

 

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May 17, 2018
#382 Commentator and Writer Andrew Klavan
01:38:34

Today's guest is host of "The Andrew Klavan Show" on The Daily Wire, and author of multiple books turned movies, such as "True Crime" and "Don't Say a Word." Our discussion mostly revolves around topics discussed on his show: political satire, cultural commentary, and mockery of modern absurdities.

 

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May 14, 2018
#381 Austen Lionheart: Transgender Christian
01:24:44

Austen Hartke, author of "Transforming: The Bible and the Lives of Transgender Christians" joins us to tell his story and humors our ignorant questions. With a Masters of Arts in Old Testament Studies, Austen seeks to understand and share parts of the Bible that relate to gender identity and the lives of transgender individuals. 

 

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May 10, 2018
#380 Comedian Owen Benjamin
01:28:02

If you haven't heard of Owen Benjamin before, he's the comedian who got permanently suspended from using twitter. We talk with him about jokes, how they work, and why humor is important.

 

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May 07, 2018
#379 Celebrity Pastors Gone Wild
01:01:17

Joey recently heard some whopper of stories about famous pastors that seem to indicate them as entitled spoiled brats. Toby thinks Joey may be a bit too hard on them and believes it's crazy that we can't just say their names on air. What's a celebrity pastor anyway and are these stories incriminating no matter how you slice them? Oh, yeah, and YouTube takes over Matt's daughter and household.

 

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May 03, 2018
#378 Underoath's Aaron and Tim Couldn't Give Two F***s About Your Opinion
01:22:23

Today we're just hanging out with Tim McTague and Aaron Gillespie of Underoath for an hour, talking about backlash they've gotten from their new album, and who among them has lost their faith.

 

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Apr 30, 2018
#377 You Only Live Once (w/ Matt and Kristie MacDonald of Vocal Few)
01:18:39

The status quo is something we all define our lives by. Some seek to find it while others reject it in favor of a different life. Kristie and Matt MacDonald have chosen the latter. From moving their family to another country to touring the US with their three kids, these two have taken an alternative path, and it seems to be working. Check out their summer tour and new EP coming soon! Also, Matt's outraged about recycling.

 

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Apr 26, 2018
#376 11-Year-Old Pentecostal Pastor to Rabbinical Student to UCC Preacher, Jon Propper
01:19:05

Jon Propper might be the best example of a full deconstruction and reconstruction of faith that we've heard from. As a pastor's kid, he grew up and even started preaching himself at 11 years old. He walks us through his journey of converting to Judaism, and then rounding back to Christianity in a bit different form. We also propose that it might be best to legalize prostitution for the sake of regulation.

 

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Apr 23, 2018
#375 Ray Harkins of Taken
01:18:58

Ray Harkins is a good friend of the show, he hosts the 100 Words or Less Podcast, and is the lead singer of the band Taken, who came out of the melodic hardcore scene in the early 2000's. After helping his wife battle cancer, Ray decided to write about something real and vulnerable on Taken's new EP "With Regard To." Also, why are people stoked on Justin Bieber's worship set at a festival, and yet Underoath gets scorned for swearing on an album?

 

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Apr 20, 2018
#374 Matt's a Liar About the Enneagram Test
01:15:20

Matt appeared on a podcast that despite Matt's "enneagram skepticism," pegged his number. Social media has us convinced that we are more liked and cared for than we really are. Lastly, the Damn News is back and the latest mass shooter is apparently a hero to many.

 

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Apr 16, 2018
#373 Joey's Sexist Premarital Counseling Approach
01:13:57

Joey found some of his old premarital counseling notes. Now his chauvinistic approach to counseling couples only four years ago leaves him embarrassed. Bill Hybels, lead pastor of Willow Creek Church, steps down and it doesn't look good for him. According to Francis Chan, we should probably not talk about it.

 

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Apr 12, 2018
#372 The Worst Missionary Jamie Wright Wrote a Book
01:11:32

Returning guest, Jamie Wright wrote a memoir on her journey of falling in and out of love with evangelicalism only falling in and out of love with missionary work right afterwards. "The Very Worst Missionary: A Memoir or Whatever" is a very honest look at her personal growth, personal flaws and the role that "church" and faith played throughout her journey.

 

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Apr 09, 2018
#371 No One Trusts the Church
01:14:04

Authors Jonathan Bock and Phil Cooke discuss the premise of their new book, "The Way Back: How Christians Blew Our Credibility and How We Get It Back." Just how did the church lose credibility? Toby went to church on Easter and said "shit" when he spilled Jesus' blood and let's make fun of a Men's Conference.

 

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Apr 05, 2018
#370 Alice Connor: Badass Women of the Bible Aren't Talked About
01:24:36

Why don't we hear stories about Deborah, the only female Judge in the Bible, in Sunday School? Alice Connor is the author of "Fierce: Women of the Bible and Their Stories of Violence, Mercy, Bravery, Wisdom, Sex, and Salvation." She joins us on this episode to discuss some of the biblical women overlooked and misconstrued in modern Christianity.

 

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Apr 02, 2018
#369 Just Get with the Changing Times Already
01:15:57

Regardless of whether the future is scary or unnerving, do yourself a favor: grit your teeth and go with it. Our bodies are also falling apart, Matt thinks rock music is dead and maybe money can make you happy after all.

 

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Mar 29, 2018
#368 Jen Matthews and Her Famous Football Family
01:18:50

Jen Matthews' family lives and breathes football - including her Super Bowl Champ brother, Clay Matthews, of the Green Bay Packers. Hear what it's like being a woman in this family of football studs and why Jen left a promising NFL broadcasting career to have an integral part in extending the efforts of pray.com, an interactive app that uses technology to unite people in prayer. Lastly, it took Joey years to realize he was inconsiderate in making sport of his wife being sexually violated in her college years.

 

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Mar 26, 2018
#367 The 19% of Evangelical Non-Trump Voters with Depolarizers Dan and Ellen
01:25:18

Hosts of Depolarize! Podcast, Dan and Ellen, come in studio to hang out and give us an update on this masterpiece of a podcast. Season two brings in new co-host, Ellen Mauro, as they track down and interview Trump supporters and non-supporters from all walks of life, depolarizing the world one person at a time.

 

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Mar 22, 2018
#366 Toby Hears God's Voice and Matt Can't Imagine Existence After Life
01:11:14

We all know Joey doesn't believe in hell, but with all the death Matt has experienced in the last few years, he has a hard time imagining that there is a heaven or a hell. Also Toby shares a specific encounter he had with God that he cannot ignore.

 

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Mar 19, 2018
#365 Unspoken Prayers and Joey’s Holistic Mental Health Method
01:08:14

Fish oils, exercise, less sugar, SSRIs, and dropping more ingrained religion is given Joey hope in 2018, but even as this new approach seems to be working, there’s still fear that it shouldn’t be this good. Also what do you do when someone asks you to pray for an unspoken? Does it even matter?

 

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Mar 15, 2018
#364 Reva Hansen: What it's like in the Emery and BadChristian Workplace
01:08:36

Employee of ours for four years, Reva talks about what it's like to be the only female on the tour bus, and to work with Matt, Toby, and Joey on a daily basis. How much should a group of guys adjust their behavior to accommodate for gender equality in a rough environment like a rock band tour?

 

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Mar 12, 2018
#363 Tommy Green (Sleeping Giant) Tells Personal Story of the Devastations of Human Trafficking
01:21:37

Tommy and his wife's lives were deeply impacted and changed by the great loss of a sweet teenage girl named Anna. Hear how they have decided to use her life and death to bring hope to others. Tommy also chimes in on what Jesus's love should mean in today's polarizing, hate-filled culture that even many Christians have been caught up in. Maybe Jesus was serious about the whole "loving others" thing after all?

 

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Mar 08, 2018
#362 25 Shows in 24 Hours with Switchfoot's Jon Foreman
01:02:52

Ever have a crazy (but good) idea and never had the guts to go for it? Jon Foreman of Switchfoot decided to go for his crazy dream of playing 25 shows in 24 hours, all in different locations of San Diego. From a hospital that saved his daughter's life years prior, to his old high school with the marching band, Jon and his friends gave and received the true gift of community, musical expression, adventure, and a deeper sense of what life is all about.

 

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Mar 05, 2018
#361 Burning Down the Shack!
01:19:40

James DeYoung tells us why Paul Young, author of The Shack, might be leading us all to hell.

 

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Mar 02, 2018
#360 Pro Life, Pro Choice, or “Whole Life Ethic” with Ellen Mauro
01:09:51
Ellen Mauro is the new co-host of the Depolarize Podcast, which has a new season coming soon. She is an advocate for both women and the unborn. The topic of abortion seems to largely be discussed on a group or national level, but the realities of individuals and their circumstances are always more complex than the big picture and the self righteous on both sides want to acknowledge.
 
 
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Feb 26, 2018
#359 Kevin Max of DC Talk
01:02:56

Kevin Max showed interest right away in our documentary "What Would Jesus Sell," so we got him on to talk about why that piqued his interest, and how he's seen the Christian music industry change throughout his career. We also reflect on the death of "America's Pastor" Billy Graham.

 

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Feb 23, 2018
#358 Juanita Broaddrick (Bill Clinton Rape Accuser)
01:14:37

Juanita Broaddrick alleges that she was forcibly raped by bill Clinton in 1978. She shares with us the details surround the event itself, and what has happened since.

 

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Feb 19, 2018
#357 Do You Want to Live in a Zoo?
01:11:13

Matt goes on a rant about how the work of the future will center around creativity and meaning. As technology and artificial intelligence increase, it will be up to us to invent and define meaningful work. Alternatively, those who aren't able to do so will find their life akin to that of a zoo animal.

 

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Feb 15, 2018
#356 Thought Experiment: Could Churches be a Net Negative?
01:15:44

Systems, institutions, and organizations tend to grow and change some along the way, but they rarely reverse course entirely or realize when they have become ineffective or even counterproductive. That's partly because the participants don't like to challenge their own system and outsiders criticism is easily dismissed.

We know people outside our churches have criticism, and we are aware of the tendency inside to continually give the benefit of the doubt. Seems like this is a bad recipe and begs the question, "How would we know if any or all particular church expressions were doing more harm than good tot he overall body?"

 

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Feb 12, 2018
#355 Mars Hill Church Women Speak
01:13:45

Something they weren't allowed to do at Mars Hill Church (Seattle, WA), Jen Smidt, Melanie Studley, and Candice Clem articulate how they were "indoctrinated" into this church culture that masked sexism with a vision to see men lead at home, church, and in the community. Hear this panel of women at our BC Con describe details that will have your head shaking in disbelief. How was it so easy for these women and their husbands to be deceived into being a part of such an unhealthy culture. Matt, Toby, and Joey discuss the epidemic of deconstructing vocational church employees who are becoming increasingly uncomfortable in their roles, due to their changing beliefs. 

 

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Feb 08, 2018
#354 Connecting Kids to Their Incarcerated Parents (with Cyril Prabhu)
01:08:57

In order to stop the ugly generational cycle of incarceration, Cyril serves families by trying to help restore relationships between kids and their incarcerated parents. He's making quite an impact and you may need to grab quite a few tissues for this one. Matt, Toby, and Joey reflect on the conference and what it means to BadChristian. Joey and Toby reflect on how their decade old plans of potentially starting a church. Turns out it's a lot different than what they had imagined.

 

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Feb 07, 2018
#353 TJ from As Cities Burn plus a Panel from BadChristian Con
01:11:50

The BadChristian Conference this past weekend was a great success! We're sharing one of the panels from the weekend with you all called "The Gospel, Victimhood, and the Marginalized" with Jonathan Merritt, Derek Minor, Candice from Free Sex, and her awesome friend Nicole. To preface, TJ from As Cities Burn hopped on to take Joey's spot as a break from the current Emery and ACB tour.

 

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Feb 02, 2018
#352 God Didn't Need Jesus to Die in Order to Forgive Sins (Says Baptist Pastor, Chuck Queen)
01:07:24

He may look and sound like a Baptist preacher, but Pastor Queen isn't convinced in Jesus' divinity, doesn't believe Jesus "had to" die in order for man to be saved, thinks there's other ways of finding God (outside of Jesus) and yet is a Baptist minister. We also talk discipleship in the context of this post-modern Christian culture that is rapidly growing. 

 

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Jan 30, 2018
#351 Bad Days and How God's Word isn't Helping
01:08:46

Matt and Toby are having a bad day and due to their "made up professions," don't feel like grownups yet. Joey is reading Rob Bell heresy and in this current time of immense rethinking among Matt, Toby, and Joey, a passage in Bell's newest book sparks a conversation on what the hell we are supposed to be doing with the Bible.

 

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Jan 25, 2018
#350 Jaclyn Friedman, Sexual Liberation Activist
01:17:29

Jaclyn in zealous to see everyone liberated from sexual limitations; orgies, open marriages, anything goes as long as it includes mutual respect. She's insightful and subversive to America's common approach towards sexual morals. Matt and Jaclyn disagree about the premise of the Aziz Ansari allegations and how they should be treated. Is the tide changing on how we view sex?

 

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Jan 22, 2018
#349 Fundamentalists Are No Fun
46:21

When we started this podcast, we knew we'd get some things right and some things wrong and at some point Fundamental Christians would try to shut us down. Turns out we were right about the fundamentalist part. Now we're out here trying to push against fundamentalism from wherever it comes from.

 

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Jan 18, 2018
#348 Podcasting as an Exercise in Thinking
01:04:30

On this episode, among many other things, Joey talks about an older man he knows using weed (illegally) to cope with pain instead of his prescribed drugs, and feeling guilty about it. We're having a blast doing this podcast;  it really is a privilege to be able to hang with our friends and process out loud. It's a bonus to know we've helped other people a find like-minded group although on the internet. It's kind of a win-win, so thanks to all you listeners for putting up with our dumb asses.

 

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Jan 15, 2018
#347 Author of "The Shack," Paul Young
01:21:50

William Paul Young had a fundamental, evangelical upbringing that included many false beliefs about God. That led to many questions the church isn’t typically good at entertaining or even allowing, but he couldn’t stop asking. After coming clean about a marital affair to his wife, a new process of learning began in which false notions of God were discarded, and he wrote The Shack to share his new revelation of God with his friends and family. Hear about Young’s love for God as well as his rejection of many doctrines that most evangelical churches would deem essential.

 

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Jan 11, 2018
#346 Sad Day When We Can't Laugh at What We Find Hilarious
01:07:00

Dave Chapelle gave us a gift in a couple of holiday specials, we were treated to lots of joyous laughs. Isn't that just outright good? Some people are still upset for him not being politically correct or sensitive enough. We're going to start regulating laughter? We're getting back on track with our diet but that all ends at the BadChristianCon.com. Lastly, Matt has a whopper, something along the lines of kids never having to be thankful for their parents?

 

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Jan 08, 2018
#345 Toby Might Stop Believing in God Because of BadChristian Hecklers
01:08:49

We are constantly changing in our faith, persistently holding on to personal experiences we've had, but many times, we come at potentially scary crossroads of doubt. Joey is scared of religion scarring his kids, and Matt thinks it's crazy when parents marvel at how different their kids' personalities are.

 

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Jan 04, 2018
#344 Stephen Baldwin "God Wanted Trump to be President"
01:34:02

Actor Stephen Baldwin from the films The Usual Suspects, BioDome, and a new TV show Great American Pilgrimage explains how he became the "Jesus Freak of Hollywood," and tells us why God ordained Trump to be President. 

 

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Dec 19, 2017
#343 Chad Johnson: Taking Risks at Ego's Cost
01:28:05

Our friend Chad Johnson came on today to talk about his new book One Thousand Risks, and they talk death after his dad passed away this weekend. Before that, Matt gets on a rant about how we're messing up our kids' lives by putting them online: i.e. the bullied kid whose video went viral this past week when his mom posted it to the public.

 

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Dec 15, 2017
#342 Greg Surratt: Founding Pastor of Seacoast Church and Joey's Boss
01:34:37

Greg Surratt leads one of the largest churches in the world that influences churches worldwide. The question still stands, why does he let Joey do The BadChristian Podcast? We talk about this and bring to the table the many complaints we've articulated on this podcast about pastors, moral failures, and mega-church culture.

 

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Dec 12, 2017
#341 Greg Boyd: Moving from Calvinism to Open Theism
01:25:29

Author of "The Myth of a Christian Nation" and founder of ReKnew.org answers some of Matt and Toby's questions about what Open Theism's believes about God differently from Calvinism and Arminianism. We talk a lot about the omniscience of God and predestination. He also helps explain the problem with the Calvinistic view of Christians as The Elect.

 

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Dec 08, 2017
#340 BadChristian Con Broke Twitter This Weekend
01:48:32
There was an ugly and embarrassing thread on Twitter this weekend. Many of you observed it, and many participated in it. It was primarily in regards to the inclusion of Preston Sprinkle at BadChristian Con. Some feel that he is a bigot and his views are tantamount to violence and that BC is implicated by giving him the stage. 
 
I (Matt) think it's a tragic look and insight into the negative side of a text-based, hyper-connected platform like twitter.  In order to try to rectify that, we have invited people from both sides of the argument to see if the vitriol is real, or just something that happens when we are behind our keyboards.   
 
The guests today are BC Club members Adrian and Tierney, who were defending BC and also Stacey Midge who was a vocal opponent to BC's platform.

 

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Dec 05, 2017
#339 Zombie Pastors and BadChristian Con
01:22:19

Jake Meador, author of the article "Ecclesiology and the Zombie Pastors Problem," joins to discuss issues with pastors like Mark Driscoll (among others) coming back to ministry after being disqualified. Jake points out that the process of reconciliation between pastors and ministry is either to short and easy, or non-existent. We also announce the first BadChristian Conference, with featured guests Pete Enns, Jonathan Merritt, and other speakers, music by Emery, Kings Kaleidoscope, As Cities Burn, and more, and parities, semi-formal winter ball, panels, learning sessions, and lots of fun.

 

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Dec 01, 2017
#338 Lecrae: Too Black for White Evangelicals
01:21:03

After months of self-discovery, Lecrae wrote his best and most honest album to date. White Evangelicals couldn't handle it though, and want him to stay in the safe lane they're comfortable with. #lecrae@yourchurch

 

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Nov 28, 2017
#337 Death, Gender, "Gay Stuff"
01:23:45

We've got a lot to talk about on this one. The bible isn't clearly against multiple sex partners, or at least not clear enough, laments Joey. Matt, Toby, and Joey lose a college friend way too early. Is sexual identity an overblown concept? How does society act as a software that keeps humanity in check?

 

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Nov 23, 2017
#336 Do Churches Intentionally Keep Their Flock in Need?
01:29:31

Toby's thoughts on psychics and their manipulation tactics ruffles Joey's feathers when he tried to extent the criticism to pastors. Matt makes a case for needing colorful characters in the world through an example of a keyed up hockey coach.

 

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Nov 21, 2017
#335 Who Cares What You Think About Transgender People
01:17:02

It seems that these days everyone expects a consensus view from everyone else. That is nonsense. We suggest a nice dose of taking yourself and everyone else less seriously.  Take a deep breath and try to enjoy YOUR life and worry a bit less about other people's lives.

 

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Nov 16, 2017
#334 Where are the Instructions for How to Read the Bible?
01:33:24

Today we (Matt, Toby, and Joey) find ourselves in a conversation about the Biblical cannon, and if it is forever closed, and why we think it is or isnt.  If we're honest, it can't be as simple as, "God said it, I believe it, and that settles it."

 

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Nov 14, 2017
#333 Chris Stroop Says #EmptyThePews
01:22:20

Many Atheists, Agnostics, and Christians, despite their stark differences, have the common ingredient of being “Ex-Evangelical.” Within the faith of Christianity, the scales have been tipped (credit the November 2016 Presidential Election) to cause a large sect of Christianity to bow out of evangelicalism. How important is it for this movement to grow? Self-identified nerd and Ph.D. in Russian history (Stanford), Christopher Stroop is an Ex-Evangelical and started the movement #EmptyThePews. He is a compelling voice for evangelicalism to pack its bag and go the hell back to where it came from. Matt’s eccentric personality is reflected in his parenting as he shares a story on his refusal to allow his daughter to comply.

 

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Nov 10, 2017
#332 Perry Noble is a Bad Christian and So Are We
01:18:55

NewSpring Church, according to Toby's Damn News, has declining attendance and income due to its parting with founding Pastor Perry Noble, who is now getting a divorce. Is Perry a "bad guy?" Is he a victim? Either way, we wish him well, and truly feel bad for what he is going through. Toby can't stop eating Halloween candy, but wonders if Halloween traditions will go away soon.

 

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Nov 06, 2017
#331 Jonathan Martin: Banned For Life From Liberty University
01:26:46

Cops escorted Pastor and author Jonathan Martin off the Liberty University campus during a JOHNNYSWIM show while he was hanging with his friends in the greenroom. He was banned for life from Liberty University for planning a prayer meeting and opposing Trump and Jerry Falwell Jr. What’s the condition of the church when opposing points of view aren’t even welcomed?  What role does authoritarianism play in the church?  Before any of this conversation starts, Matt and Toby dissect Joey’s current depressive state.

 

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Nov 03, 2017
#330 If the Bible Were a Film, It Would Be Rated NC-17 (w/ Spencer Folmar)
01:14:20

Movie director, Spencer T. Folmar, wants to use film to present the hope he’s found in Jesus.  Many Christians aren’t buying his intentions however given the colorful language, including the monstrous “F word,” that’s replete through his films.  We talk “constructive nudity,” “senseless violence,” “The Passion of Christ” and the potential of Christians making REAL movies.

 

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Oct 31, 2017
#329 Why After Talking To Atheists for 10 Years, I’m Still a Christian (w/ Justin Brierley)
01:16:34

Author and host of radio show and podcast “Unbelievable?” talks faith, atheism, and how the two groups misunderstand one another.  He’s maintained an open mind to learn, and has had his faith stretched by some of these brilliant atheists, but still maintains his Christian faith. Justin, along with Matt, Toby, and Joey talk significantly about moral relativism. Toby realizes just how much he believes in Jesus; and oil leaks are always bad. . . unless it’s a bible.

 

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Oct 26, 2017
#328 Church Clarity with George Mekhail
01:36:43

Making what you believe clear is something that you'd think all churches would like, but apparently George Mekhail's "Church Clarity" project has stirred up some unrest among churches since they score a church's transparency on where they stand with LGBTQ issues. Joey claims the hashtag #thatsnotme after coming out as no longer Evangelical.

 

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Oct 24, 2017
#327 “Girls & Sex” Best-Selling Author and TEDTalks Speaker, Peggy Orenstein
01:21:25

Shame, pain, and humiliation shouldn’t be words commonly used by women to describe sexual encounters. Teen girls shouldn’t feel obligated to return the favor by sexually fulfilling boys who take them out on a fun date.  Labiaplasties (surgery of trimming the labia) shouldn’t be on the rise, but even that sex education class in middle school discusses “ejaculation and orgasms” for guys, but “risk and danger” for the ladies.  Young girls are being cultured to forfeit pleasure, freedom, and confidence in the bedroom.  Peggy Orenstein is trying to change these cultural attitudes towards, practices and expectations for women and sex.

 

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Oct 19, 2017
#326 Did Matt Have a Spiritual Experience at a Christian Concert?
01:23:25

Matt’s logical brain was discombobulated by a synergistic experience he had this weekend at a Kings Kaleidoscope show which made him realize there might be more to this human experience than can be emulated by AI despite having tried VR for the first time just two days prior. Toby takes Matt’s explanation of reality farther than most would, but reveals the inevitable generational gap where “back in the day” will mean when physical vacations and relationships were primary over VR and pod life.

 

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Oct 17, 2017
#325 Holy and Queer are Synonymous with Pastor Brandan Robertson
01:30:56

Despite his conservative upbringing, Brandan Robertson’s first book deal was canceled due to him being vocal about affirming LGBTQ after studying the topic intensively for two years. He eventually came out as bisexual himself, and has become an influential writer for TIME Magazine, Huffington Post, NBC, as well as the author of multiple books on sexuality. Also on this episode, we talk Harvey Weinstein, sexual favors for gain, and Matt’s theory on a future “celebrity death boom.”

 

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Oct 12, 2017
#324 Masculinity and Femininity Needs to be Re-framed
01:08:50

Toxic masculinity, good and healthy masculinity, men and women's ministries; do we pigeonhole folks to a certain brand of masculinity and femininity? Can this be harmful? One thing is for sure, thinking through all of this is much more complex than we give it credit for. Toby ends things with a “things that make me mad list,” including his laments on not being able to let out “sad farts."

 

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Oct 10, 2017
#323 How Faith and Science Work Together with Jim Stump
01:22:48

There's no need to go to the Bible for an explanation on fossil records or insight on cancer research. It's equally pointless turning to science for data on how to solve your moral dilemmas. Jim Stump, Senior Editor at Biologos and author of "Science and Christianity: An Introduction to the Issues," invites the church to see the harmony between science and biblical faith as he and his organization present an evolutionary understanding of God’s creation. Matt, Toby, and Joey discuss Cam Newton’s (QB, Carolina Panthers) sexist remarks to a female reporter, and Matt explains his unique theory on the real problem behind mass shootings; and it has nothing to do with guns.

 

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Oct 06, 2017
#322 Las Vegas Tragedy Makes Us Miss Obama
01:29:53

With the shooting in Las Vegas, it seemed weird to be “business as usual,” advertising products, laughing, cutting jokes, but isn’t laughing good for the soul? We share some jokes in which we’ve taken things too far, talk about Matt Chandler’s decision to only pastor one church with one location, reflect on Trump’s presidency in times like these and brag on (once again) Seacoast Church.

 

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Oct 03, 2017
#321 I Guess We're Post Christian?
01:07:15

There’s a lot of movement in Christianity and it's not always movement away from belief in Jesus, but rather the extraneous practices, beliefs and approaches to life that over time have become synonymous with Christianity. Maybe those Christians who stand up and say "Not anymore! We won’t be known for this!" are post-Christians? We also discover the apple not falling far from the tree in the Svendsen household: Joey’s son has a penis marveling moment, and his daughter feels unreal guilt. Plus The Damn News is back with a story about a generous hero of ours and MALE sex robots.

 

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Sep 29, 2017
#320 Chris Date: Eternal Conscious Torment is Not Necessary
01:24:21

Chris Date of the Rethinking Hell Podcast is a very conservative Christian who's a masterful debater and theologian making such a convincing case against the traditional view of hell (in which people are eternally and consciously tormented) that even Joey's starting to believe him. As a biblical inerrantist, he claims the bible teaches annihilationism. In other talk, Matt, Toby, and Joey discuss the senselessness of all the NFL kneeling, non-kneeling, stay in the locker room, link arms hoop-lah.

 

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Sep 26, 2017
#319 How to Spot a Christian Scam & What's "the Anointing?"
01:17:26

There’s a bible secreting oil, which you can access for free to receive healing, and Joey was offered some. Do some people have an anointing or are they just good at what they do? On tour last week, Toby, Matt, and the rest of the Emery clan took a stab at stand-up comedy, and Toby objectified women in Buc-ee's on his way to the True Man Experience, where he talks to men about masculinity.

 

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Sep 22, 2017
#318 Special Guest Ryan Rado Sees His Tourettes Disorder as a Super Power
01:23:31

As Cities Burn and Jonezetta's artist manager Ryan Rado gets real about Tourette's. It may have been awkward for him to uncontrollably shout "God Damn!" to an audience at a Christian music festival; and flipping people off uncontrollably does indeed put some one in a certain box, but Ryan, who still struggles with this disorder, has come out on top. Hear about his relationship with Jesus, his assessment on logic and self-analysis being equally important as compassion and empathy, and his newly found passion for painting.

  

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Sep 18, 2017
#317 God is Limited in Power and Doesn't Know the Future with Tom Oord
01:23:45

God’s omniscience and omnipotence are such common doctrines, we forget there are sincere Christians who don't believe in either. Open theology teaches that true human freewill and God’s foreknowledge of the future is incompatible. Thomas Oord, leading theologian in this doctrine, explains the peace he has knowing that evil exists because God can’t stop it.  We also listen to and dissect Joel Osteen's response to the whole "our doors were closed until you asked us to open them" fiasco.  

 

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Sep 14, 2017
#316 Most Churches Are Only Suited for a Certain Type of Christian (Tragic)
01:15:42

Do Christians have “senseless faith,” holding on to beliefs that are not only insignificant but also illogical?  Churches position themselves not for Christians but only for a certain type of Christian.  This is tragic when true believing skeptics can’t have a community to fellowship with.  Toby brings some sad news on Chuck E. Cheese and Joey admits to paying $600 for a pet cat.

 

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Sep 11, 2017
#315 Christians Love the Enneagram with expert Chris Heuertz
01:29:06

We talk to Chris Heuertz, best-selling author of "The Sacred Enneagram: Finding Your Unique Path to Spiritual Growth" partially just to find out if this enneagram stuff is legit or not. We discuss whether it was created by humans as a tool for understanding, or is innate to a deeper spiritual truth of how we're created. Matt shares some BC Music news, and Joey witnesses the potential animalistic tendencies of humans when he waited in line for sandbags in preparing for the approaching hurricane. 

 

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Sep 07, 2017
#314 Joel Osteen, Church Tax Exemptions, and Conspiracies with Nate from Sherwood
01:35:36

Joel Osteen, wealthy pastor in Houston, drags his feet on serving others, but is there more to the story? Should he be given the benefit of the doubt?  Speaking of pastors and churches, it’s uncanny, the tax benefits received by their likes. Should Pastor Joey feel a bit guilty?  Lastly, Nate Henry and Sherwood are going on tour and Nate finds common ground with Joey’s gravitation towards conspiracies including moon landing, 911, JFK assassination, and Big Foot.

 

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Sep 04, 2017
#313 A Group of Prolific Pastors Say "Peace Out" to Gay Community
01:15:03

It's called the Nashville Statement.  It's when church leaders’ desire to make a public stance on human sexuality comes to a head and many pastors sign a statement to make sure every one knows exactly where they stand on others' sexuality.  But many are asking, why the focus on gay people?  Why the need to draw a line?  All this makes us wonder what Jesus would do in today's church culture, and why these folks didn't repent on behalf of the church’s mistreatment of the LGBTQ community.

 

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Aug 31, 2017
#312 The Straightedge Movement (w/ Ray Harkins)
01:22:46

Ray Harkins, host of 100 Words or Less podcast, talks about being straightedge with Matt, Toby, and Joey, and its parallel with Christianity having in-group out-group dynamics. What does Toby’s parody worship song teach us about the church and Christianity? Lastly, it’s Matt's 38th birthday and A-I will write pop songs in roughly 14 years.

 

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Aug 28, 2017
#311 Mark Salomon of Stavesacre and Toby's Worship Song Hits the Charts
01:18:44
Mark Salomon from Stavesacre is someone who has paved the way for bands like Emery, Underoath, and Norma Jean. They have a new album coming out, so he joined us today and we talk about the album and working for NASCAR. A few episodes back, Toby was tasked with writing a hit worship song, and the task is officially completed with today's release of the fully produced single "Forever Rain" that's steadily climbing the charts on iTunes!
Aug 24, 2017
#310 Perry Noble is Founding New Church!?
01:24:53

Fallen pastors seem to want to reclaim the stage as quickly as possible. Could it be that being a Mega Church Pastor is the primary catalyst for pastors’ “moral failures?”  What is it that motivates pastors like Perry Noble to start a new church?  Is it an addiction?  It’s also back to school time so all the Christian kids are back on the mission field to keep classmates out of hell, and lastly, we had a guest whose husband went 7 years without masturbating and some of our listeners were utterly pissed.

 

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Aug 21, 2017
#309 Jory Micah: Feminist and Egalitarian who Celebrates Gender Differences
01:29:37

Influential blogger and writer, Jory Micah was fired from her college teaching job for as a result of her controversial feminist views.  She is angered by the church’s discrimination against female leadership and how that prevents many from being who God has made them to be.  She also doesn’t believe in a marital submission that is unique to wives.  Potentially even more interesting is her celebration of gender uniqueness.  Men and women both have strengths and weaknesses that are typically common for their gender.  This feminist may just piss off the feminists.  Matt introduces an invention that could save the lives of many kids,  and Toby brings a news story that supports Matt’s assessment of McDonalds.

 

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Aug 17, 2017
#308 Anti-Christian Biases in Media and Hollywood (with Billy Hallowell)
01:25:07

 

Christians withdrawing from "the world" of media and culture has partly caused a natural bias against Christians from having a lack of influence there. Billy Hallowell helps us untangle this, being culture-focused writer. They also discuss responses to the recent Charlottesville protests by white nationalists.

 

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Aug 14, 2017
#307 Ex-Porn Star on Women's Responsibility to Modesty
01:29:05

Ex-porn star, Brittni De La Mora, speaks about women's responsibility through modesty to help men not stumble, and Candice from the Free Sex expresses how evangelical culture made her ashamed of her body.

 

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Aug 11, 2017
#306 Is Suicide a Cowardly Act? (with Levi the Poet and Matt MacDonald)
01:25:47

After the untimely death and suicide of Chester Bennington, people’s hearts were grieved, but added to their sadness, came anger and accusations of cowardice.  Matt MacDonald (The Classic Crime, Vocal Few) was in this camp, and took heat for some cold comments made on social media.  Him and Levi the Poet, who lost his dad to suicide, talk all this through as we delve into the devastating act of suicide. Before that, Matt shares the benefits of what could be called “butt-dial therapy,” and Toby is taking his True Man Experience to Texas!

 

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Aug 09, 2017
#305 What if Jesus Was a Liar?
01:06:14

You’ve all heard “Liar, Lunatic, or Lord,” but why isn’t it plausible for Jesus to be a “liar” or “lunatic?”  2000 years after the apparent resurrection, couldn’t Christians be off or mislead in how we interpret history?  All the same, we still believe, and feel strongly that Christians can learn a lot from atheists. At the same time, before atheists write off Christianity, it may be helpful for some to truly understand what we believe in the first place. Lastly, Toby and Matt discuss the huge perks of playing in a worship band.

 

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Aug 08, 2017
#304 John Mark McMillan’s Crisis of Faith
01:12:18

John Mark McMillan joins to discuss his new album “Mercury & Lightning,” which he wrote while processing a faith crisis, replete with anxiety and doubt, leaving him with honest songs depicting his struggles with God. He takes a risk with the departure from his usual worship style, as it follows his process of rethinking and then reconstructing his faith. Before he comes on, Matt expresses his anger towards “Brangelina” and Toby discovers that “alone time” may actually be good for him every once in awhile.

 

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Aug 04, 2017
#303 Insecure Egotistical Douche Bag Dudes think They’re Masculine (Jordan Harbinger Part II)
01:21:18

The most successful people have coaches or mentors and recognize the great need for guidance.  Not so with Douche Bag Dudes.  Jordan Harbinger (host of Art of Charm Podcast) talks about what Art of Charm boot camp can offer people, discusses the power of humility and the stagnancy caused by ego.  How do we appreciate masculinity in a politically correct way and what’s wrong with our stereotyping of masculinity in the first place?  Lastly, should overweight people pay for more than one seat in a plane, pyramid schemes, and the Damn News bring you some crazy information on DNA and sex.  Oh yeah, and Matt thinks we are all made of menstruation.

 

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Aug 01, 2017
#302 Artificial Intelligence is God
01:05:55

Maybe it’s God or if not, maybe his plan of redemption?  Either way, Christians are going to be so pissed when they found out the truth.  In other topics, McDonalds vs. Church, are people going to stop having kids, and those damn midwesterners.  And in the Damn News, man falls in love with his sex doll.  His wife was upset at first, but she’s fine now.

 

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Jul 27, 2017
#301 Michael and Lisa Gungor on Having the Plug Pulled on Their Show
01:08:27

Michael and Lisa Gungor join to tell the story of their recent show getting shut down during a Q&A. During an acoustic show at a Methodist Church, an atheist audience member prompted a strong reaction.

 

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Jul 24, 2017
#300 Journalist Jonathan Merritt on His Eugene Peterson Article
01:36:07

Matt and Toby open the episode talking about news they just received of Linkin Park's Chester Bennington's suicide. Later Jonathan Merritt joins, the well-known journalist who wrote the article on Eugene Peterson. He dishes on what actually happened during the interview, and what it was like working with Peterson's publicists throughout the day, before and after Peterson retracted his statement. Churches will soon treat the LGBTQ community like they treat divorcees in the church. Also, congrats to us for hitting 300 episodes of The BadChristian Podcast!

 

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Jul 21, 2017
#299 Comedy vs. Racism
41:57

We've come a long way from "Something About Mary," but have we lost the ability to communicate clearly in an overly PC culture? As society works hard to gain more ground in this area, it's on the shoulders of modern comedians to speak to deeper truths underlaying our country's history of and existing racism.

 

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Jul 19, 2017
#298 Mature Christians Should Be Able to Graduate from Church
01:06:51

Why are we surprised when seasoned Christians are disinterested in “going to church?”  Is it a fair statement to say that their faith in God may be too deep for it? Joey wonders how a non-conformist like Matt fit into the Mars Hill Church culture for so long. We also speculate why Eugene Peterson retracted his statement we discussed last week.

 

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Jul 17, 2017
#297 Eugene Peterson Supports Gay People, Then Doesn't, Then Yells at the Clouds
41:36

Matt, Toby, and Joey discuss the Christian response to Eugene Peterson (author of The Message) coming out as gay affirming, only to find out after recording the episode that the old man changed his mind?

 

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Jul 14, 2017
#296 Complementarianism from a Woman’s Perspective (Martha Davenport)
01:31:54

Can you be a progressive female, and also hold fast to complementarian views of headship and submission in the church and home? BC Club member Martha Davenport explores biblical complementarianism that is closer to egalitarianism than what the evangelical church might have you believe. Also, Toby’s having coyote problems that may put his kids on house arrest.

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Jul 13, 2017
#295 Alisa Childers Explains the Danger of Progressive Christian Thought
01:36:38

Author of the article, “5 Signs Your Church Might Be Heading Toward Progressive Christianity” joins the show for a head-to-head discussion on why progressive christian thought is a danger to our children. Can Christians agree to disagree on matters of sexuality?  Is there less "black and white" in the bible than what we were brought up to believe?  Are there essentials of the Christian faith that are merely tradition and need to go?  Or is Alisa's article spot on and we're all in trouble?

 

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Jul 11, 2017
#294 Going Mainstream Christian and Aaron Lunsford’s Day From Hell (Live at AudioFeed Festival)
52:22

Traveling around and talking to podcast listeners, we’ve found that The BadChristian Podcast is listened to by pastors, volunteers, and attendees of mainstream churches.  Most of them just don’t admit to it.  Aaron Lunsford tells his story of starting a BBQ business, having his new rig break down, and seeing his actual business go up in literal flames. All in one day. Lastly, BC Club boy proposes to BC Club girl on the show.

 

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Jul 06, 2017