The Enneagram Journey

By Suzanne Stabile

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Using the wisdom of the Enneagram, and ongoing discussion and conversation, we will grow compassion for ourselves and others, as well as a better understanding for why we do what we do!

Episode Date
TEJTW Tour Birmingham! with Erin Moon (3) and Jamie Golden (7)

The Enneagram Journey Toward Wholeness Tour '22 continues with Erin Moon (3) and Jamie Golden (7)!

As someone who clearly listens to good podcasts, you probably already know Erin and Jamie from The Bible Binge or The Popcast, but if you don't, you'll get to know a lot about them today.

  • Can we hack our Repressed Centers?
  • What do you think the overlap is of ADHD and Enneagram Sevens?
  • Which numbers catastrophize the most?
  • Differences between 3s, 7s, and 8s?
  • Does the OC still hold up?

We're taking all that on and more in this episode.


1 stop left on the Tour and we want you to be there with us!

The Enneagram Journey Toward Wholeness

November 11-12, Kansas City, MO

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Today's Intro:

  1. Ron Swanson on Parks and Rec (Season 5: EP: 18 NBC Universal)
  2. The O.C. theme song (The Noise Complaints)
  3. Favored or Forsaken: The Enneagram (The Bible Binge podcast)
  4. Sarah Bragg (Episode 10 of TEJ Podcast)
Sep 23, 2022
Jillana Goble (2) - Foster Care, Adoption, A Love Stretched Life

What?! Back to back episodes with Enneagram 2 guests? That's right!

Jillana Goble joins The Journey in this episode to talk about her experience as an enneagram two parent, foster parent, wife, and her book, A Love Stretched Life. Towards the end of the episode Suzanne and Jillana run through all 9 numbers, briefly discussing hangups they may have and questions to ask themselves as they pursue foster care and adoption.


November 11-12, 2022 you need to be in Kansas City, MO for the final stop of The Enneagram Journey Toward Wholeness Tour '22. If you've enjoyed hearing the podcast recordings, imagine what it would be like to be there in person! Then listen to Suzanne teach around her latest book, The Journey Toward Wholeness.


The Enneagram Journey podcast is produced by Life in the Trinity Ministry and is made possible with your support. Donate to help LTM continue to seek and sow compassion at


  1. Problem Child (1990)
  2. Raylynn Carr, Episode 100 of TEJ Podcast
  3. Instant Family (2018)
Sep 08, 2022
Holly Oxhandler (2) - Pride, Process, The Soul of The Helper

So as it turns out, we need to have more Enneagram Twos on the podcast! Dr. Holly Oxhandler is the first to help out as she joins Suzanne and Joel at the Micah Center to talk about Enneagram Two life and her book, The Soul of The Helper.

"I think the risk for a lot of Twos is that they can run themselves so ragged that they'll get to the end of their lives and just be like, 'I missed it, because I was focused on everybody else around me.'"


The Enneagram Journey Toward Wholeness has two stops left: Charlotte, NC and Kansas City, MO. The Enneagram Godmother will be teaching around her work in her latest book, and you can join a live recording of your favorite enneagram podcast, The Enneagram Journey!

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Today's intro:

  1. Fake Jason Garrett on Sports Radio 1310 The Ticket
  2. Tori Hope Petersen on TEJ Podcast (May 2021)
  3. Peaky Blinders (Netflix. Season 2, EP 1)
Aug 30, 2022
TEJTW Dallas! with Katy Alaniz (4) and Justine Guzman (1)

Today's episode was filmed in LTM's backyard (nearly).

The rain forced us inside at Union Coffee in Dallas for this incredible conversation with Katy Alaniz, enneagram 4, and Justine Guzman, enneagram 1. You'll learn a lot about Katy and Justine in today's episode, and if you want to learn more about Katy visit and if you want to learn more about Justine find her on social media @beautifulstackofpancakes.

  • Impression Management (a new favorite term of Suzanne's)
  • Enneagram and Therapy
  • Our relationship with social media
  • Boundaries, too many....not enough...what's the deal
  • Do you know what SOGI stands for? What about several other identifiers that are important to the people in our communities, important to us, important to the people we love? Suzanne asks Justine and Katy for some education for all of us who need it.


It's pretty simple, if you're on a journey right now and need some wisdome and community around: the enneagram, building a more contemplative spiritual life, and/or diving into your Family System and Family Systems Theory with some assistance from the enneagram, then you want to apply for an LTM Cohort in 2023. For more info and to apply visit

From Intentional To Intuitive is August 4-6. If you are wanting some tools to really bring Enneagram Wisdom into your daily practice in a way that benefits every aspect, relationship, and circumstance in your day to day life, sign up. Show up, ask questions, and meet others either in person in Dallas or the online chat for those joining virtually. Suzanne is going to CRUSH it this weekend.

Todays INTRO:

  1. Russ Hudson at the LTM event, Br5aking The Cycle
  2. This Is Where I Leave You (2014)
Jul 26, 2022
July Q&A

We open up the voicemail box and get Suzanne to answer some of the listener's questions in this episode. 7 Questions and all 9 Enneagram numbers get some air time! Fours married to Fives, Sixes married to Eights who both originally thought they were Nines, One's inner critics, and Sevens showing their feelings. Yeah, and there is so much more!


  1. Applications and information for the 2023 LTM Cohorts
  2. From Intentional To Intuitive is coming up! Don't miss the Enneagram Event of the year.
  3. Is the Enneagram Journey Toward Wholeness Tour coming your way?!

Visit for these and more!

Today's Intro:

  1. F.R.I.E.N.D.S.- Season 1: EP 13
  2. TEJ Podcast: Others on The Journey Ones
  3. F.R.I.E.N.D.S.- Season 1: EP 13


Jul 15, 2022
TEJTW Portland! with Alex (8) and Michele (5) Choi

Everyone, break out your Feelings Wheel for today's episode!

The Enneagram Journey Toward Wholeness Tour '22 made its way to Portland to sit down with Alex (8) and Michele (5) Choi. We're going to find out what it means to be "trust challenged", how we can change the time of disconnect in our relationships, and what keeps each enneagram number from accepting help?

Don't miss your opportunity to join Suzanne and Joel at an upcoming Journey Toward Wholeness event!

Denver, CO - July 15-16

Birmingham, AL - August 19-20

Charlotte, NC - September 9-10

Visit for all of the information and times and to register today!

Today's Introduction:

  1. A Christmas Story (1983)
  2. Modern Family (Season 7: EP 8)
  3. Christine Min (The Enneagram Journey Podcast Aug. 2020)
Jun 28, 2022
Know Your number

Who are you?! Who are you not?! Who? Who?!

The Enneagram: Know Your Number workshop is where the Journey begins, and NOBODY is better at teaching it than the Enneagram Godmother. Today's podcast is the introduction to her Know Your Number workshop, as well as the teaching on enneagram Eights. This is the podcast that you're going to give to your friends when they say, "Where can I learn about the enneagram? Where should I start?"

If you're beginning your Journey, or you're wanting to brush up on the finer points of the Enneagram, we hope you'll join us at The Table, LTM's online subscription service jam packed with knowledge and wisdom. For this season, we are going through Suzanne's Know Your Number videos, and guests who have been through this part of the Journey are sitting down to talk about it and Suzanne's teaching.

You can use the promo code WHOAMI to try it out for free! Visit and see what there is to offer. Full workshops, great interviews and conversations, monthly discounts and promotions, this Summer Series, and so much more.

Over 200 hours of content available, and more added weekly!

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If you're wanting to hear the rest of this workshop, you can find it at

Jun 28, 2022
TEJTW Richmond! with Scott (5) and Teresa Mcbean (6)

We're in the tree, no? In the nest?!

Yeah we are! Mother/son duo from the Northstar Community in Richmond, VA, Scott (5) and Teresa (6) McBean join the show in today's episode to talk about their enneagram one spouses, working together, how Northstar came through the last 2 and half years, and some great Q&A with the live audience at Coco + Hazel.

  • The similarities and differences between 2s and 6s
  • Being a parent and being in ministry
  • Fear for the Collective
  • Boundaries for the Dependent Stance
  • Dynamite Q&A


The Enneagram Journey Toward Wholeness Tour marches on with 2 new stops open for registration!

Charlotte, NC - Sept. 9-10

San Francisco, CA - Oct. 7-8

And there are still spots available for Denver, CO - July 15-16

Visit to sign up today!


Today's Introduction:

  1. Old School (2003 film with Will Ferrell)
  2. Waiting (2005 film with Ryan Reynolds)
  3. TEJ Podcast Parenting Discussion Panel (March 2019)
Jun 16, 2022
Mike Alexander (6) - Vulnerability, Psychological Safety, Hidden Hazards
Meet Enneagram 6, Mike Alexander!

His accomplishments and accolades are looooong, and you can read about them at, but for the purpose of this podcast, you just need to know that the man is the real thing, and has been doing his work. Lindsay points out in the show how great it is to hear an enneagram 6 talk with so many years of enneagram experience in hand.

  • Let's talk psychological safety
  • the enneagram and being a police officer
  • Leadership Styles
  • Vulnerability

"My description of a police officer is: we are normal people, in abnormal circumstances, behaving abnormally, and that becomes normal."

Mike Alexander


From Intentional To Intuitive

August 4-6 in Dallas, TX or sign up and join virtually from anywhere in the world.

Suzanne is going to be teaching how the 3 Centers of Intelligence and Shame, Fear, and Anger work together (or don't!). How we can show up more in healthy space, and maybe even spend some more time in the high side of our Security number.

Visit or for more information and to register!

Today's Introduction

  1. Opening Scene of Law & Order
  2. From Brooklyn 99, Season 5: EP 17
  3. Lindsay O'Connor on TEJ Podcast, Dec. 2021
Jun 03, 2022
TEJTW Austin! with Leigh Jackson (9) and Elizabeth Chapin (4)

The LTM bus rolls into Austin, TX for the second stop of The Enneagram Journey Toward Wholeness Tour '22!

Maybe we'll call this episode an Enneagram podcast collab with The Enneagram Journey and Austin Enneagram, oh yeah, that is the podcast that Leigh and Elizabeth host!

This is a loaded episode:

  • "the hedgehog story"
  • What have they learned hosting Austin Enneagram?
  • Are sexual subtypes the most intense?
  • Differences between 4 and 7
  • Stance Work
  • aaaaaaaand more

You can find listen to Austin Enneagram wherever you get your podcasts as well as at

The Tour continues! And with tacos!

Dallas, TX - June 3-4

Friday night with Katy Alaniz (4) and Justine Guzman (1)

Denver, CO - July 15-16

Friday night with Nadia Bolz-Weber (8)

Get more information and your tickets today at !

Today's Introduction:

  1. Sesame Street with Seth Rogan (2011)
  2. Give Peace a Chance, The Very Best of John Lennon
  3. Marlena Graves, The Enneagram Journey (March 2021)
May 20, 2022
KJ Ramsey (4) - Ritual, Chronic Pain, This Too Shall Last

Oooooh, you're going to hear in Suzanne's voice how excited she gets in today's episode because of the greatness of the guest, Enneagram 4, KJ Ramsey. KJ is a trauma-informed licensed porfessional counselor and author whose work offers space to see every part of our souls and stories as sacred. They'll talk some in this episode about one of her books, This Too Shall Last, and she has a new book coming out soon: The Lord Is My Courage. Find out more about KJ at


Dallas and Denver, The Enneagram Journey Toward Wholeness is coming to you! What are people saying about the book and podcast tour so far?

"This weekend wasn't what I was expecting, and it was exactly what I needed."

Join Suzanne as she teaches along side her newest book, The Journey Toward Wholeness, and learn from and with her and her guests on The Enneagram Journey podcast as the show is recorded live.

Visit for information and tickets for the stops in June in Dallas and July in Denver. See you there!

We hope you listen to the information about From Intentional To Intuitive, Suzanne's biggest event of the year in August at FUMC Dallas or join online. Visit or for more information and registration. This is the event that your Journey has been leading you to.

Today's Introduction:

  • "Dinner Party", The Office Season 4: Episode 13
  • From The Enneagram Journey with guest Meredith McDaniel, February 2020
  • Pain from the anime and manga series, Naruto
May 10, 2022
April Q&A with Suzanne

Suzanne's favorite way to teach returns on this episode of The Enneagram Journey! We remove a few more messages from the inbox as Suzanne talks about:

  • Some differences between
    • EIGHTS and TWOS
    • Vulnerability and Betrayal
    • Anxiety and Fear
  • Addressing some difficult family circumstances
  • Special contribution from a guest in the Micah Center!

PLUG for the Enneagram Event of the Year!!

From Intentional To Intuitive with Suzanne Stabile, August 4-6 in Dallas, TX or join Online!

  • Finding balance between our Enneagram Number, Stress Number and Security Number.
  • Learning to acknowledge and develop healthy responses to Shame, Fear, and Anger.
    • These challenges are going to be different for each Triad and for each individual Number
  • Where Shame, Fear, and Anger show up in our attempt to live by the 4 Mantras:
    1. Show Up
    2. Pay Attention
    3. Tell The Truth
    4. Don't Attach to the Results

Early Bird price ends June 1.


  1. Stan Marsh being vulnerable on South Park (season 9, episode 5)
  2. Braden and Andrew Bowles on The Enneagram Journey (September 2020)
  3. Trailer for Failure To Launch (Paramount 2006)
Apr 22, 2022
TEJTW Houston! with Aaron Edwards (4) and Kelly Hall (4)

The podcast's first stop on The Enneagram Journey Toward Wholeness Tour finds us in Tomball, TX at The Renewal Center with friends of LTM, Aaron Edwards and Kelly Hall.

Both Enneagram Fours, Aaron and Kelly are the directors of the Renewal Center and they share in this episode how they make that work, why their ministry benefits from being led by two 4s, and a lot more!

You can find out more about The Renewal Center and RE:Bar at


Big events in Dallas and beyond!

Where Will We Go From Here with Suzanne, Joe, and Brian D. McLaren is March 31-April 2 in Dallas or online

The Enneagram Journey Toward Wholeness podcast and teaching tour continues! Austin is coming up, Richmond is on deck, and Portland is in the hole!

Today's Intro:

1. Parks and Recreation, Season 5: Episode 4

2. Emily P. Freeman on The Enneagram Journey Podcast, May 16, 2019

3. This Is Where I Leave You, 2014 Comedy/Drama

Mar 14, 2022
Shauna Niequist (7) - Extroverted, Journaling, Bucket Lists

Shauna Niequist joins the show! You enneagram fans may remember her from an early episode of The Road Back to You podcast, yup, that is a deep cut.

Enneagram 7, and the author of, "I Guess I Haven't Learned That Yet", (what a great title) joins Suzanne to talk about being married to a 4, her new book, journaling and so much more.


Where Will We Go From Here with Rev. Joseph Stabile, Brian D. McLaren, and the Enneagram Godmother is March 31 - April 2. Join online or in person in Dallas!

The Enneagram Journey Toward Wholeness tour continues! Upcoming stops include Houston, Austin, Denver, Portland, and Dallas!

Today's Intro:

1. Sean Connery in Finding Forrester (2000)

2. Ed Helms and Jason Segal in Jeff Who Lives at Home (2011)

3. Jamie Grace on TEJ Podcast, June 2020

Mar 01, 2022
Tara Beth Leach - 40 Days on Being a 6
Suzanne says that enneagram sixes are the people that hold our communities together, so it seems fitting that 40 Days on Being a 6 author Tara Beth Leach will put a nice bow on our Daily Reflections Series!

Tara Beth Leach is a pastor, preacher of the Word, and a writer. She speaks widely at conferences, retreats, and universities across America on Women in Ministry, Church Leadership, and the call to be a Radiant Witness. She is a pastor at Christ Church of Oak Brook in the western suburbs of Chicago. She previously served as senior pastor of First Church of the Nazarene of Pasadena (“PazNaz”) in Southern California. She is a graduate of Olivet Nazarene University and Northern Theological Seminary. She is the author of Emboldened, Radiant Church, and Forty Days on Being a Six. She has two beautiful and rambunctious sons, and has been married to the love of her life, Jeff, since 2006.


Today's Intro:

1. "So Many Questions" by Side A

2. Will Ferrell as George W. Bush from Full Frontal on TBS, May 2017

3. Jamie Ivey on The Enneagram Journey podcast, Nov. 2018

Feb 14, 2022
Sandra Maria Van Opstal - 40 Days on Being an 8
The series of Enneagram Daily Reflections authors continues today with Enneagram 8, Sandra Maria Van Opstal!

"Fósforito! The explosion happened so quickly there was no stopping it. My mother called me 'tiny match' when she would see this fire exploding from me." This is how Latina pastor, activist, and worship leader, Sandra Maria Van Opstal, describes her experience as an Eight. There came a point in her life when she saw how her fiery explosions were undermining her leadership. A wise spiritual director helped her discover how the Enneagram could reveal more about both her gifts and her weaknesses. Sandra offers insight from her ethnic journey alongside Enneagram wisdom.

You can get your copy of 40 Days On Being an 8 at,, or!


March 31-April 2, Where Will We Go From Here with Suzanne Stabile, Rev. Joseph Stabile, and Brian D. McLaren! Join in Dallas or online from anywhere in the world! Visit for more information and registration.

Today's Intro:

1. From Frozen (2013)

2. Christine Min from The Enneagram Journey (August 2020)

3. Rogue from X-Men The Last Stand (2006)

Jan 27, 2022
Danielle Coke (7) - Setting The Table, What Is Mine To Do, Thinking Process

Oh Happy Dani, aka Danielle Coke, joins the show today!

Earlier in the year we asked you the listeners to tell us some guests you wanted to hear from, and Dani's name came up over and over, and we can see why. Dani, an enneagram 7, shares about how what started as a hobby blossomed into a journey of using art and words to make complex social justice-related issues more digestible and easy to understand for people around the world.

Find her online at and on instagram @ohhappydani


Get your LTM New Year's Raffle tickets before the drawing on January 2nd! Win a $100 gift card, books, prayer beads, a private Zoom call with the Enneagram Godmother, and more!

AND! Don't forget to get your tickets for Where Will We Go From Here with Suzanne, Joe, and Brian D. McLaren while the early bird price is still available! Join in Dallas in person, or online from home anywhere in the world March 31 - April 2.

Today's Introduction:

  • Scene from Bob's Burgers, Season 3: episode 21 "Boyz 4 Now"
  • Patrice Gopo on The Enneagram Journey podcast October 9th, 2020
Dec 28, 2021
Answering Your Enneagram Questions with Suzanne

Suzanne's favorite way to teach! Questions and responses today with the Godmother of the Enneagram. Today's show includes a call to the Reverend to help an aggressive couple who is dealing with leaving their church community, a heavy dose of relationship talk, and how many attempts does it take an enneagram six to leave a message?

The Enneagram Journey Toward Wholeness Tour!

Richmond, Birmingham, and Houston are filling up quickly and Austin and Portland will be opening up soon! Visit today to lock your seat up and join Suzanne in growing understanding and compassion.


Today's Introduction

  • Emily P. Freeman from the May 16, 2019 episode of The Enneagram Journey podcast
  • Dinner Scene from Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby (2006)


Thank you for your support of LTM, Suzanne and Joe, and The Enneagram Journey podcast!

Dec 20, 2021
The Enneagram Holiday Journey

What a special episode!!

In today's show you'll get to hear from some of Suzanne's grandkids, some of her children, some of their spouses, from Carolyn K. Teel, and it can't be a family episode without the Reverend!

Joel took a couple of microphones to the Stabile Family Thanksgiving, and collected some audio. We hope you'll enjoy some of their memories and conversation around the holidays, and then hear from Joe and Suzanne as they discuss what the holidays have meant for them, and how they've evolved over the years.

Then! Listen to some of Suzanne's teaching from Holidays and the Enneagram. This recording was taken in December 2019 at the Micah Center and you can find the entire recording on the LTM website.

And if you're checking the show notes for where to sign up to join Suzanne for The Enneagram Journey Toward Wholeness teaching and podcast tour you are looking for this link!:

Have a wonderful holiday season, and we hope to see you on the road and have the opportunity to continue the Journey with you in 2022!

Dec 10, 2021
Lindsay O'Connor (6) - Phobic? Counter phobic?, Making Connections, Being Heard

LTM's own Lindsay O'Connor joins the show!

Lindsay is an enneagram six, married to a nine, in seminary, parenting 2 beautiful girls, and self proclaimed "wannabe contemplative."

Lindsay and Suzanne talk about the role books have played in her life, the similarities and differences between the two of them in the dependent stance, and more!

You can find Lindsay on Instagram @lindsayloconnor and catch her at The Micah Center and upcoming LTM events!


Where Will We Go From Here featuring the Reverend, Suzanne, and the incredible Brian McLaren! March 31 - April 2 in Dallas, TX or join online from anywhere in the world. For more information visit

And, be sure to check out the upcoming book and podcast tour! The Enneagram Journey Toward Wholeness is coming your direction and we hope you'll join us one weekend!

Today's Introduction:

1. A clip on meerkats from Nat Geo Wild, March 4, 2013

2. "What do trees have to talk about" from The Lord of The Rings: Two Towers

3. Enneagram 6, Heather Mustain speaking on The Enneagram Journey podcast, 3-6-9 Panel, May 12, 2020

Dec 01, 2021
Juanita Rasmus - 40 Days on Being a 1

The Enneagram Daily Reflections series marches on today with enneagram 1, Juanita Rasmus!

The show starts today with Juanita getting us all grounded before jumping into some good enneagram teaching and background on wings and stress and security. Then let's hear about how ones take care of themselves, and how we can better take care of them (tip 1: don't touch their food).

You can find out more about Juanita by visiting  and you can find your copy of 40 Days on Being a 1 at, or!


The holidays are just around the corner and there is no better tool than Holidays and the Enneagram with Suzanne. Over two hours of teaching to help you better take care of yourself and love those around you that you're spending the holidays with.

Click here to download today!

Today's Introduction:

1. Suzanne talking with Heather Mustain about her relationship with husband and enneagram 1 Chad Mustain. Taken from the introduction in episode 94 of The EnneagramJourney.

2. Joey Tribbiani from the show F.R.I.E.N.D.S. talking about food

3. An excerpt from Others On The Journey, released on August 13, 2020 on The Enneagram Journey Podcast.

Nov 17, 2021
Your Enneagram Stances Questions

Suzanne traveled to Tennessee in September 2021 for an incredible Enneagram Stances workshop. The questions asked were fantastic, but we didn't have enough time to answer them all, so Joel tucked the cards away in the ol' backpack and broke them out for today's episode of TEJ podcast!

  • Resentment and the dependent stance. What about the other 2 stances?
  • Orientation to time
  • Fives and feeling
  • How to help the doing
  • Parenting a 1
  • and more

Plug time!

The Journey Toward Wholeness is released and available! Get your copy today, and please take the time to review it on Amazon and Goodreads. You can find it anywhere you get your books, and of course at

Teaching Tour!

Suzanne is hitting 10 cities across the country for The Enneagram Journey Toward Wholeness book and podcast tour. Visit for information and registration. The first 3 cities registration is up already: Richmond, VA, Birmingham, AL, and Houston, TX. See you on the road for the journey!

Today's introduction:

  1. Suzanne talking on stances from episode 50 of The Enneagram Journey podcast
  2. Clip from "Zoolander" the hilarious (according to Joel) 2001 movie with Ben Stiller and Jon Voight
  3. Ann Willet (4) from episode 60 of The Enneagram Journey podcast
Nov 04, 2021
Curt Thompson (4) - Shame, Desire, Confessional Communities

There may not be a workshop or podcast that exists where Suzanne doesn't bring up The Soul of Shame. So it is long overdue that the author, Curt Thompson, enneagram four, joins the show!

With a considerable dose of warmth (and surprising measure of humor), Curt weaves together an understanding of interpersonal neurobiology (IPNB) and a Christian view of what it means to be human — to educate and encourage others as they seek to fulfill their intrinsic desire to feel known, valued and connected. He understands that deep, authentic relationships are essential to experiencing a healthier, more purposeful life — but the only way to realize this is to begin telling our stories more truly.

After listening to today's episode, be sure and go find your copy of his newest book, The Soul of Desire!

Book and Podcast Tour 2022!

Join the Enneagram Godmother on the road next year for The Enneagram Journey Toward Wholeness tour. Friday night community and live podcast recording followed by Suzanne teaching on Saturday. Be sure and visit for information and to buy your tickets beginning November 2nd.

Today's show introduction:

  • Kelly Harp from Episode 96 of the podcast (December 2020)
  • Peter Griffin on Family Guy, episode "Hot Pocket Dial"
  • Noelle Otts from Episode 76 of the podcast (February 2020)
Oct 28, 2021
Philip (7) and Jaimie (3) Bowen - Anxiety, Marriage, Music, Feelings

Meet Philip and Jaimie Bowen!

Philip, enneagram 7, is a musician, and Jaimie, enneagram 3 is currently a stay at home mom with their three kiddos: Cora, Stella, and Henry.

They share how they began their enneagram journey and ways that the tool has helped them along the way in their marriage and in their work.

We hope you enjoy the podcast, and go find Philip and his music online and on social media @philipbowenmusic. The song excerpt from today's episode comes from Happy With Myself which releases on October 15th.

Today's introduction:

  • Courtney Perry, Enneagram 7, from TEJ podcast episode April 18th, 2021
  • Laura Addis, Enneagram 3, from TEJ podcast episode 84: 3-6-9 Panel Live! from May 18th, 2020
  • Parks and Recreation, Season 7, Episode 9 (there are people who believe the character Andy Dwyer to be an enneagram 7 or embody a lot of characteristics of sevens)

The Journey Toward Wholeness!! Available Nov. 2nd!

Get your copy wherever you buy your books, and then please leave a review and rating for Suzanne's newest book on Amazon. 

If you're in Dallas on Nov. 2nd, come and celebrate the release of the book! Visit and RSVP and we will see you there!

Oct 14, 2021
Q&A with The Enneagram Journey in Singapore

A special Q&A with a group of individuals who over the past 12 months have been working through LTM's Enneagram Journey Curriculum for small groups! How can 7s get things done and not get lost in activities? What is innocence? What is it to 8s? How can 5s better connect with people? What is the relationship to anxiety on that 6-9 line? And so much more!

If this episode inspires you to start your own Enneagram Journey Curriculum group, hop on over to where you can find the facilitator and participant guides (both physical copies or digital if you live outside the US), and the link to the 12 teaching videos with the enneagram godmother.

Sep 30, 2021
Anthony Williams (4) - Moves to 2, Reality Shows, Parts of a Whole

Meet the man of Wheel of Fortune fame, Enneagram 4, Anthony Williams! 

Anthony shares some of his experience being a single, black, gay man from Tyler, TX, as well as how he discovered his is an enneagram 4. What is it like to have relationships with other 4s? He shares his experience with grief and the recent loss of his grandparents, aaaaand so much more.

What did you think about the new intro?! The clips are from previous episodes of The Enneagram Journey podcast with guests who share the same number (4 in today's), and a pop culture clip with relevance to the episode (Meredith Grey and you'll hear why in the intro). 


Little Rock, Arkansas - November 12 &13


Online around the world - October 23

Sep 24, 2021
Morgan Harper Nichols - 40 Days on Being a 5

Morgan Harper Nichols is back on The Journey with Suzanne!

The author of 40 Days On Being a 5 shares some of her experiences writing the book, what she wishes she could have had more space for, what she is curious about, and so much more. If you aren't following her beautiful work on Instagram, you may be the only one! And you can see more about her at


All Things Enneagram

October 23rd, a virtual enneagram event! Join Intervarsity Press, LTM, Joe and Suzanne and the authors of the Enneagram Daily Reflections series for a day filled with teaching.

Enneagram and Relationships

November 12-13 in Little Rock, Arkansas. A two day workshop with the Enneagram Godmother you won't want to miss!

Sep 15, 2021
Q&R with Suzanne

Suzanne sits down to answer some of your questions in today's episode! The enneagram Godmother and Joel talk about productive doing and what that looks like for not just enneagram ones, but issues we're all dealing with. Trying to decide if you're a 9 or a 1? This episode will help! Can Fives be emotional? Yup. And is the enneagram manipulative?!


Saturday, OCTOBER 23rd

All Things Enneagram: A virtual event for your enneagram journey

Join Suzanne and the 9 authors of the Enneagram Daily Reflections series from Intervarsity Press for this all day event online diving deeper into the different ways enneagram wisdom plays a role in our lives. More information and registration at

Saturday, SEPTEMBER 11th

A FREE! Enneagram Know Your Number event with Suzanne in Dallas, TX. Grab your friends and family who you've wanted to introduce the enneagram to and head over to FUMC Dallas for the best introduction to the enneagram workshop available. More information and registration at

Aug 27, 2021
Tony Jones (8) and Courtney Perry (7) - Pastoring, Family, Relationships

This episode has been a long time comin'!

Tony Jones, enneagram 8, joined Suzanne on TEJ a couple of years ago (seems like a lifetime) and Courtney, enneagram 7, was on the show earlier this year. Now we get to have them BOTH TOGETHER IN PERSON at the Micah Center to sit down with Suzanne and Joel.


Life In The Trinity Ministry Cohort Program

Be sure and take the time to check out the LTM Cohort Program! LTM is accepting applications right now for both the Enneagram Cohort and the Contemplative Cohort for 2022. Visit for more information, important dates, and the applications

Thank you for your continued support of the podcast, Suzanne and Joe, and LTM! We hope you enjoy today's episode!

Jul 29, 2021
Whitney Russell Stabile - Relationships with our body and food

Join Suzanne and Joel in welcoming back Whitney Russell Stabile to the podcast! Suzanne's daughter in law, Joel's wife, is an enneagram 1 with a lot of letters after her name. She is a Licensed Professional Counselor-Supervisor and Certified Eating Disorder Specialist-Supervisor. Whitney earned her Bachelors in Psychology from Austin College in Sherman, Texas and her Masters in Counseling Psychology from the University of North Texas. She began her counseling career at the Dallas County Juvenile Detention Center working at a rehabilitative residential treatment center with struggling teens.

Today Whitney and Suzanne talk about a lot, but primarily our relationships with our body and with food.

You can find Whitney on Instagram @whitneylpc and online at

We hope you enjoy the podcast, and if you do, be sure and rate it 5 stars and leave a review!


Breaking The Cycle a 3 day teaching event with The Enneagram Godmother, Rev. Joseph Stabile, and Russ Hudson! Join in Dallas August 5-7 or online. For more information and registration visit



Jul 20, 2021
Christine Yi Suh - 40 Days On Being a 4

The Enneagram Daily Reflections Series continues!

Meet enneagram 4 Christine Yi Suh, then grab your copy of 40 Days on Being a 4 !

  • "Fours tend to abandon environments that bring shame or rejection." - Christine
  • What is the difference between self awareness and self indulgence? What does it mean to you?
  • Differences and similarities between 4s and 7s


Live teaching events are back! Texas, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, and Arkansas are up! Be sure and visit for dates, information and registration.


Jul 06, 2021
Brian McLaren - Faith After Doubt

Brian McLaren, Enneagram 4, is back on the show today with Suzanne talking about his newest book, Faith After Doubt!

"Using his own story and the stories of a diverse group of struggling believers, Brian D. McLaren, a former pastor, proposes a model of faith development in which questions and doubt are not the enemy of faith, but rather a portal to a more mature and fruitful kind of faith."


We are less than 2 months away from Breaking The Cycle, an enneagram event with Suzanne, Russ Hudson, and Rev. Joseph Stabile! Join them in Dallas or online from anywhere in the world!


Jun 15, 2021
Abigail Eernisse - Enneagram 1 - Human Trafficking and Adoption

Meet Abigail Eernisse!

Abigail, an enneagram 1, was introduced to the enneagram at a prayer meeting, which is pretty darn cool. She grew up between East Africa and the Chicago area, and joins Suzanne to share some of her story and her journey.

Suzanne and Abigail set the table for a future conversation going deeper into her work around anti-racism and anti-trafficking, and Abigail shared some resources for us to prepare for it!

Leaving the Life: Embracing Freedom from Exploitation by Becca C. Johnson Ph.D. and Jessa Dillow Crisp 

Fallen by Annie Lobert 

 Living Inside The Rainbow by Brook Parker Bello

Very Young Girls (Amazon Prime) 

The White Umbrella: Walking with Survivors of Sex Trafficking by Mary Frances Bowley 


Be sure to visit to sign up for Breaking The Cycle, an enneagram event August 5-7 in Dallas and online with Rev. Joseph Stabile, Suzanne Stabile, and Russ Hudson!!

Early bird registration ends June 15th, so don't miss out!

May 26, 2021
Others On The Journey - "I used to think... Now I think..." - Enneagram Curriculum

A new episode of Others on The Journey!

LTM has had the opportunity over the past year to facilitate Enneagram Journey Curriculum groups online via Zoom, and our most recent group, led by Joel, just finished the twelfth and final week.

One of the exercises of the final session is each group member writes on a card, "I used to think..... now I think....." and shares with the group what they wrote. 

Today's episode is what the group shared!

If you are looking to start a Curriculum group, Enneagram Journey Curriculum guides are on sale in May and June! Visit for more information, samples of the guide and the videos, and use the promo code PHOENIX for 25% off of Suzanne's Enneagram Journey curriculum guides.




May 14, 2021
Tori Hope Petersen - Enneagram 2 - Foster Care and Adoption

If you have listened to Suzanne talk...probably ever, you know she is a huge advocate for adoption and foster care.

Her guest today, fellow enneagram 2, Tori Hope Petersen, tells her story and shares how we can all get involved and become a part of this community. Stay tuned to the second half of the podcast when they run through the 9 enneagram numbers and discuss something each one should be aware of as they consider adoption or becoming a foster parent.

If after listening you want to learn more, you can find Tori on Instagram @torihopepetersen and be sure and check out


Be sure to check out The Table, Life in the Trinity Ministry's online subscription service featuring enneagram teaching, videos and resources around spirituality and spiritual practices, and so much more, including an upcoming 2 night online event exclusively streamed at The Table.

May 07, 2021
Intro to Grieving and the Enneagram - Suzanne Stabile

You might remember from 2019, episode 62 of The Enneagram Journey, Intro to Spiritual Practices and the Enneagram. That episode is the most downloaded of all the podcast, so LTM decided to use the same format again, this time sharing Suzanne's introduction to Grieving and the Enneagram from her workshop early in 2021.

“Suppressed grief often turns into depression, anxiety, or addiction.” - Miriam Greenspan

You can find the rest of the teaching at and


May 04, 2021
Courtney Perry - Enneagram 7 - Yenneagram

The Enneagram Journey is back!

In our first episode back after a short break to work on a few other projects, and our first episode of "season 2" we open by reliving the ice storm that hit Texas earlier in the year, hear from the shows new official Spiritual Correspondent the Reverend, and learn all about the Yenneagram.

Enneagram 7, Courtney Perry, joins Suzanne and Joel on today's show to dive into some SOLID enneagram talk, including:

"For many years I mistook my anxiety for excitement." - CP

A lot of plugs in today's introduction, but here are links and codes you want!

The Table - LTM's new member service

TEJ Podcast Live with Courtney Perry and Tony Jones on May 6th followed by Yoga session, meditation, and community

use promo code CNASH for $20 off registration 

Grieving and the Enneagram mp3

use promo code TEJGRIEVE for 20% off through May

And be sure to follow Courtney and the Yenneagram on Instagram @yenneagram and visit !


Apr 28, 2021
Episode 100 - Matt (6) and RayLynn Carr (2)

Meet Matt and RayLynn!

They come out of the chute with some vulnerability and truths about parenting and it just doesn't stop. A blended family, a foreign adoption, a widower, phenomenal people, parents, and the Enneagram Godmother.

  • Orientation to time
  • Relationships the present moment
  • 2 different kinds of 2s
  • Dependent Stance talk
  • Parenting in a blended family

Such great content!

Speaking of great content, there are so many great things happening at LTM! Upcoming online workshops include Prayer and the Enneagram and Fruits of the Spirit, new sets of prayer beads, the Lent video series with Joe and Suzanne, Contemplative Cohort and Enneagram Cohort applications, and more!

Visit to join in and continue your spiritual journey!

Mar 19, 2021
Gideon Tsang - 40 Days on Being a 7

That's right! Back to back episodes with authors from the Enneagram Daily Reflections series!

Enneagram 7, Gideon Tsang joins Suzanne and Joel on the Journey to share a little of his experience and his story as a seven. What does depression really look like in a 7? He'll share some of his history in Austin, TX by way of Canada, and did you know he is codependent?

We hope you enjoy the conversation and then take the opportunity to get a copy of his book 40 Days on Being an Enneagram 7 at, or


Prayer and the Enneagram

with Rev. Joseph and Suzanne Stabile

An online workshop on March 26-27. Join Live and then really get to note taking while enjoying the replay afterwards.

You can find more information and registration here, and sign up by March 15th to take advantage of the early bird discount!

Mar 09, 2021
Marlena Graves - 40 Days on Being a 9

Another incredible human being joins us on the podcast to talk about their ninth of The Enneagram Daily Reflection series of books by InterVarsity Press!

Enneagram 9 Marlena Graves takes a break from her busy schedule as a teacher, writer, mother of 3, wife, and citizen of the world to talk about her thoughts on:

  • Orientation to Time
  • Her relationship with her Enneagram Five husband
  • Having an 8 wing
  • Protecting her energy
  • Life in the Gut/Anger/Justice Triad

You'll LOVE this episode! And after you fall in love with Marlena, you can find her book 40 Days on Being a 9 at , on Amazon, and at



Prayer and the Enneagram

Rev. Joseph and Suzanne Stabile

March 26-27 Online!

Sign up here and join in!

Mar 02, 2021
Episode 99 - Nadia Bolz-Weber (Enneagram 8)

Nadia Bolz-Weber is back on the show!

This episode was actually recorded in the summer of 2020, however we couldn't track down the file. FOUND IT! And it is packed. Suzanne and Nadia talk about Grace and Compassion, her latest book Shameless and her podcast The Confessional, and more.

Hopefully you see that little E out by the side of the show. If you are uncomfortable with a few "explicit" words, please skip this episode, and come back for the next.

You can find more about Nadia, her podcast and all that she is doing, including her online publication, The Corners at 

You can also find more info and registration for online teaching event with Suzanne, Grieving and the Enneagram, on Feb. 26-27 2021 at 

Aaaaand LTM hopes you can join Rev. Joe and Suzanne for their video series on Lent! That can also be found on the LTM website.

If you have questions about the podcast, Suzanne and her work, or Life In The Trinity Ministry, leave them here!

Feb 17, 2021
Episode 98 - By The Numbers, An art Series with Michelle B Noah (7)

While Suzanne puts the finishing touches on her next gem of an Enneagram book, Joel took The Enneagram Journey on the road and met up with Enneagram 7, Michelle B. Noah, to get a guided tour of her enneagram art series, By The Numbers.

Michelle walks Joel through all 30 paintings (9 core numbers, 18 wings, and 3 triads), giving her thoughts, interpretations, and inspirations for how she painted each one.

It is a BEAUTIFUL series of art that you can find currently at The Eisemann Center in Richardson, TX and at

You can find pictures of Michelle and the art at to view as well as you listen to today's show.

Jan 20, 2021
Episode 97 - Q&A with Suzanne and Joel

In this podcast episode, Suzanne tackles 3 questions about relationships:

  1. Dating from an 8
  2. Marriage from a 7
  3. Life after Divorce from a 1

"Each heart must make its own choice. Each choice has its own experience. Each experience has its own purpose. And, AFTER that comes the new lens."

We hope you enjoy the show!



an online teaching event with Suzanne Stabile

February 26-27th 2021

Jan 15, 2021
Sean Palmer - 40 Days on Being a 3

The Enneagram Daily Reflections series continues!

Sean Palmer joins Suzanne and Joel on the podcast to talk about his new book, 40 Days on Being a 3. This conversation was recorded at The Micah Center in front of a small audience during the LTM All Day event and is packed full of great conversation, knowledge, and wisdom.

“For a three, there’s no such thing as self promotion. That's just called sharing.”

“After lots of enneagram work, reality hit me. I rarely shared how I was feeling, because I didn’t really care how other people were feeling.”

Join Suzanne for Grieving and the Enneagram an online teaching event February 26th and 27th! You can find information and registration at

Dec 29, 2020
Episode 96 - Kelly Harp (Enneagram 4)

Kelly Harp joins Suzanne and Joel in this really cool episode of TEJ Podcast! Today's show was recorded Live outside of Fabled Bookshop and Cafe in Waco, TX, so you'll be able to hear the cars, the train, and the city in the background while they talk about enneagram 4s, the gifts they have to offer us, how the Heart Triad uses emojis, why Suzanne is limited in her social media access, and more! (More includes wrapping up with questions from the audience at the end!)

You can find more about Kelly and Clint and their work at and Kelly is a great follow on Instagram @kellygharp

If you are going through Waco, or you're local, you MUST check out the Fabled Bookshop and Cafe! Kimberly, Ann, and their crew are incredible hosts, the coffee is delicious, and the book store wonderful. You can also visit them online at 

Big thanks to Craig Nash for helping put this show together! Check out the Texas Hunger Initiative and show your support if you get the opportunity


Holidays and the Enneagram with Suzanne is available! You can get your mp3 at or today, and be sure to give it a listen or two (or 5!) before you and the family get together again. You won't regret it!

Thank you so much for joining us on The Journey, and for your support of LTM, Suzanne, and the podcast!

Dec 09, 2020
Others on the Journey - Enneagram 9s

Putting together this podcast, I must have heard 100 times in my head Ross (Friends reference here!) say to Rachel, "Nobody like change!" Season 3, Episode 16 if you're looking for something great to watch. - Joel here.

Well today we get to hear from Enneagram NINEs, and see if they agree, disagree, and why or why not. From career changes to getting a new cell phone, you share with the other listeners your thoughts and feelings in this episode of Others on the Journey.

You'll hear in the introduction that you can use the code GODMOTHERFREE at for a free enneagram number ornament with any purchase!

After hearing 9s talk, if you want to hear Suzanne's teaching about enneagram 9s from her Know Your Number workshop visit use the code CHANGE for a free download of her Know Your Number: Enneagram 9s mp3 (to be clear, not the Know Your Number mp3) between now and Christmas Day. You'll also find her latest recording of Relationships and the Enneagram when you're there!

Several Enneagram 9 listeners also wrote in about change, and you'll find that on the podcast page at if you want to learn more.

Thank you for listening and for your support of the podcast!

Dec 02, 2020
Episode 95 - Q&A with Suzanne and Joel

Some people say that the best part of LTM workshops or Suzanne's Enneagram events is the Q&A time, and that is hard to argue with!

Thank you all for submitting your questions, and keep 'em coming.

Today Suzanne and Joel talk about parenting a 7 child as a 1 parent, negotiating conflict in all relationships and specifically a 7 and 8, anxiety disorders and 6s, 1s and anger and resentment, and more!

Some of that "more" is talking about 9s and change. We want to hear from you NINES! Visit and leave a voicemail about your thoughts and feelings on change. Some healthy and less healthy ways that you address it, and we will put them together for our next episode of Others On The Journey!


Advent is just around the corner. If you don't know what that means, then you'll want to check out the new 4 week video series with Joe and Suzanne! What is Advent? Why do we celebrate it? How can we celebrate it? This series is put together for individuals to go through alone, or in small groups. Be sure and visit beginning November 25th for more information and access!

Nov 18, 2020
Episode 94 - Chad Mustain (Enneagram 1)

Correction! The Reverend Doctor Chad Mustain!

Enneagram 1, Chad Mustain, joins Suzanne on the show today. And if you would like a really cool listening experience, listen to today's show, then go back and give Episode 21 a listen when Chad's wife Heather (6) was on the show!

Chad shares what his inner critic is like to him, the greatness of "Vacation Chad", and the importance of intentionality.

Very cool backstory: Chad initially was not about the enneagram, but he came around. It is great to hear how his Journey began, and what it looks like today both professionally and personally.



A fundraiser at The Micah Center and streamed Live on Facebook. Join Suzanne and Life in the Trinity Ministry for 12 hours of community, teaching, music, interviews, enneagram talk, and fun!

When: Saturday, November 7th from 10A - 10P (CST)

For more information visit

and follow LTM on Facebook @LifeInTheTrinity

We hope you can join us November 7th and that you enjoy today's show!

Oct 26, 2020
Hunter Mobley - 40 Days On Being a 2

When this episode opens, you hear Hunter and Suzanne talking about how beautiful this book is. Let's be clear. This is a BEAUTIFUL looking book, and what is on the inside is BEAUTIFUL, and it is written by a BEAUTIFUL human being.

Hunter Mobley joins Suzanne to talk about his book, 40 Days on Being a 2, the first of 9 books released in a series by Intervarsity Press, Enneagram Daily Reflections.

Hunter shares how he came to be involved in the project, his process in writing the book (spoiler alert!! TWOS talking about journaling!!), and he and Suzanne discuss a few of the days prompts, as well as Hunter's favorite.

Over the next year, Suzanne the series editor, will have each of the author's on the show to discuss!


October 16-17

Enneagram Stances online with Suzanne Stabile

Register, join us for Enneagram After Dark each night, and rewatch the teaching through the month of October!


Oct 12, 2020
Episode 93 - Patrice Gopo (enneagram 7)

Another lover of stories on The Enneagram Journey!

Let's talk today about the importance of bringing up and finding balance in Thinking, Feeling, and Doing. Let's talk about enneagram 7s and grief. Lets talk about gratitude journals and who doesn't need them! Let's discuss the enneagram, race, culture and context. And, lets all go get a copy of All The Colors We Will See and talk about it some more.


When we're done talking about these things, how about we get together and talk Enneagram Stances on October 16-17 online during Suzanne's and Life in the Trinity Ministry's virtual workshop: Enneagram Stances! Visit ?! 

Oct 05, 2020
Episode 92 - Andrew (9) and Braden (6) Bowles

The year is 2020.


Dispute at the house with your partner. Where do you go and what do you do?!

Lets talk about how Andrew and Braden Bowles deal with it! And while we're at it, lets talk about enneagram 9s and 6s in relationships, sharing a line on the 'gram, and the importance of our mental health and what tools are out there to help.

Sep 23, 2020
Episode 91 - Christine Min (Enneagram 8)

There isn't enough time in a podcast or space here to adequately say how much we love Christine Min!

Christine was born in Los Angeles and is a life-long Angeleno except for three years spent in Washington D.C., where she attended Georgetown Law and met her husband, Michael.

Christine is an attorney and most recently worked as the in-house counsel for a venture-backed sustainable beverage company. She currently provides legal counsel for corporate clients, and also works with mission-driven executives to help grow and develop their teams and businesses. Christine also serves on the board for the Disability Rights Legal Center.

Her husband Michael (also an Enneagram 8) works in finance. They live in West LA and are currently sheltering at home with their two young children, who are 9 and 7 years old, and with Dustin, their 4-year old rescue dog from Korea.

Christine is Korean-American -- her parents immigrated from Korea over 50 years ago.


“People who are thinking dominant, are lazy thinkers.

And people who are feeling dominant are lazy around emotions.”



Aug 27, 2020
Others on The Journey - Enneagram 1s

Do you have an enneagram one in your life that you want to understand better? Are you figuring out your enneagram number and still unsure if you're a One or not? Do you love listening to 20 minutes of good people sharing parts of their Enneagram Journey?

Then this episode is for you!

Others on The Journey part 2 is hearing from Enneagram Ones and what their Inner Critic is to them. It is definitely not a universal experience as you'll hear! If you want to read more submissions that were written in, check out

While you're there, be sure and click on the link for your new Enneagram Face Mask!

Thank you for listening, for your engagement and enthusiasm, and for your continued support of Life in the Trinity Ministry and The Enneagram Journey podcast!

Aug 13, 2020
Episode 90 - Q&A with Suzanne

Let's check the voicemail and answer some questions!

Everyone says this about their podcast or show, but it is for sure true in our case, what makes The Enneagram Journey podcast so wonderful is you the listener. Such great questions, keep 'em coming!

Today's topics include:

  • Numbers that share a line on the enneagram
  • Veterans, Trauma, and the relationships with our stress and security numbers
  • Enneagram and Parenting
  • ONEs and their voices, prayer and prayer beads
  • Are you triggered by other's who are your stress number?
  • And more!

Be sure and join Suzanne, Dr. Barbara Rila, and Rev. Dr. Andy Stoker for 2020 Enneagram Bootcamp!

Thank you for listening and making LTM a part of your Journey! Keep doing the work!

Jul 29, 2020
Episode 89 - The 9 Virtues with Russ Hudson

What is above "bonus content"?

That is what this is! Enneagram master Russ Hudson walks listeners through the 9 numbers and their Virtues and Passions.

"If you've really found your core Passion, you'll be with it for the rest of your life." - Russ

And, Ennegram 7s, Joel did you a solid and asked Russ to start with your number! Be sure to stick around though for the other 8, because it is all GOLD.

PLUG! Be sure and sign up for the 2020 Enneagram Bootcamp online! Visit

The Enneagram, Family Systems, Trauma and Grief with Suzanne Stabile, Dr. Barbara Rila, and Dr. Andy Stoker

As always, thank you for listening, for leaving a review and rating and visit the podcast online at !

Jul 08, 2020
Episode 88 - Russ Hudson (Enneagram 5)

Well, if you wanted a WEALTH of enneagram knowledge and wisdom, just put Suzanne Stabile and Russ Hudson together!

Enneagram 5, author of The Wisdom of the Enneagram, incredible teacher, and incredible human, Russ Hudson joins Suzanne to share what he has learned teaching different cultures around the world about the enneagram, what enneagram wisdom offers us during these times of social distancing and quarantine, and what he wants people to know about Fives.

If listening to this episode leaves you wanting more, then check out episode 89! Russ walks us through the 9 Passions and Virtues.

If listening to both leaves you STILL WANTING MORE! Then sign up for the 2020 Enneagram Bootcamp online!


The Enneagram, Family Systems, Trauma and Grief with Suzanne Stabile, Dr. Barbara Rila, and Dr. Andy Stoker.

As always, thank you for listening, for leaving a review and rating and visit the podcast online at !

Jul 08, 2020
Episode 87 - Jamie Grace (Enneagram 7)

This episode is fantastic.

That is the preview.

Meet Jamie Grace, Enneagram 7, singer, song writer, artist, mother, daughter, sister, wife, and all the things!

Jamie and Suzanne talk about life as an enneagram 7, as a young black woman, what it was like being diagnosed with Tourette's, OCD, anxiety and ADHD at a young age.

Be sure and stick around until the end of the episode to hear a clip from Show Love, a song from Jamie's and Morgan's new EP, Songs For Our Children. You can find it on iTunes and in Apple Music! And find out more about Jamie and where she is going to be touring at


Jun 22, 2020
Episode 86 - Livestream Part 2

On May 7, Joey (8) and Billy Schewee (9) joined Suzanne, and then later Joe, to talk about parenting, relationships, the enneagram, struggling, and being vulnerable during the pandemic.

Their conversation was so great, we decided to flip it for the TEJ Podcast!

Episode 86 is the second part of their conversation, and it includes:

  • 6s and Authority
  • 9s and Orientation to Time
  • Relationships when you share a line
  • Forgiveness
  • Could you be a 7 or an 8?
  • 3s, expectations, and goals
  • 2-8 Mother-Daughter Relationships

We hope you enjoy this episode, and join Suzanne for upcoming conversations with Nadia Bolz-Weber, Jamie Grace, and Russ Hudson!

Jun 09, 2020
Episode 85 - Parenting Livestream with Joey and Billy (part 1 of 2)

If you are in any sort of relationship with an enneagram 8 or 9, you want to hear this podcast episode!

On May 7, Joey (8) and Billy Schewee (9) joined Suzanne, and then later Joe, to talk about parenting, relationships, the enneagram, struggling, and being vulnerable during the pandemic.

Their conversation was so great, we decided to flip it for the TEJ Podcast!

In episode 85, the first of two episodes, we learn about:

  • Enneagram 8s and 9s and co-parenting. It's not always so easy!
  • "Scene Control" for 8s
  • Vulnerability vs. Transparency
  • 9s, parenting, and energy
  • Advice for relationships between 2 mothers and their 8 daughters.

"I have the highest expectations of you without wanting to be close to you. And that's where the problem comes." - Joey (8)

And a very cool and special ending to today's episode from our friends Andy Gullahorn and Jill Phillips!

May 27, 2020
Episode 84 - 3,6,9 Panel Live! Part 2

Welcome back to The Enneagram Journey Live!

Join Suzanne, Jon Singletary (3), Laura Addis (3), Heather Mustain (6), Craig Nash (6), Jill Herrington (9), and Brett Gibson (9) during this 2 part series as they discuss life on the central triangle of the enneagram. Or the "3-6-9 train" as Father Rohr calls it!

Episode 84 is part 2 of this panel discussion, so if you missed the first half, be sure and go back and listen to Episode 83.

  • How are you in a group?
  • If you could choose to go be with your enneagram triad or enneagram stance, which would you choose?
  • Let's hear about "inner committees", how important efficiency is for some, and making school lunches!

"It's easy for me to just go through life, just doing things, and not being known in what I'm doing." - Jill, enneagram 9

May 18, 2020
Others on The Journey - Enneagram 4s

We are excited to offer a new series of episodes starring you the listeners!

Others on The Journey will feature a question presented to Suzanne during a traditional Q&A podcast episode, her response to the question, and then responses from listeners who are on their own Enneagram Journeys.

Suzanne often says, she knows the enneagram really well (yup!), but nobody can talk about an enneagram number as well as that number can. And, a main goal and mission of Life in the Trinity Ministry is to grow community. We are excited that Others on The Journey will be an example of both!

We start this series hearing from Enneagram Fours, how they feel and what they think about conflict.

Be sure to tune in to upcoming Q&A episodes with Suzanne and share your thoughts for upcoming OOTJ episodes at !

May 12, 2020
Episode 83 - 3,6,9 Panel Live! Part 1

What does it mean to have the same dominant and repressed center of intelligence? Let's find out!

Join Suzanne, Jon Singletary (3), Laura Addis (3), Heather Mustain (6), Craig Nash (6), Jill Herrington (9), and Brett Gibson (9) during this 2 part series as they discuss life on the central triangle of the enneagram. Or the "3-6-9 train" as Father Rohr calls it!

  • What does "later" mean to each number?
  • Why is it so hard to determine if your enneagram number is a 9 or 1?
  • How important is Google to 6s? How much do you use it?

Be sure to come back for Part 2 on Episode 84!

May 12, 2020
Episode 82 - Q&A with Suzanne

You have questions, and Suzanne is going to answer them!

Suzanne and Joel discuss what 5s look like when they move to their stress and security numbers. Do enneagram Fours like conflict? What is Essence? Aaaaaaand more.

"I think a healthy 5 who can appropriately choose and use the high side of 7 and the high side of 8, is kind of a home for everybody."

If you are an enneagram Four and would like to share your thoughts on conflict and today's talk, please visit and leave a voicemail! We will compile the responses and share them, because as Suzanne says, nobody can better describe an enneagram number than that number.

And if you aren't walking through The Enneagram Journey Curriculum with friends, family, neighbors, strangers...anyone really, why not?!


Apr 27, 2020
Episode 81 - Morgan Harper Nichols (Enneagram 5)

The INCREDIBLY talented, Morgan Harper Nichols joins Suzanne on The Enneagram Journey today!

Morgan Harper Nichols is an artist whose work is inspired by real conversations. Morgan spent the first couple of years of her professional life as a college admission counselor, and then, as a full-time touring singer-songwriter and musician. It was on the road that she cultivated her curiosity and passion for writing, art, and design and slowly began to share her work online.

She and Suzanne discuss how they as an enneagram 5 and 2 can learn from each other, the different ways they connect to people, the value of stories, and more.

  • "I think the way we challenge our personalities is affected by whether or not we're an introvert or an extrovert."
  • "I think there is something powerful and beautiful about thinking mindfully about others. We don't always have to say anything."
  • "I cut people off from pursuing me by pursuing them first."

You can find out more about Morgan at 

You can find out more about Suzanne and what she and LTM are up to at and

As always, please share your feedback about the podcast and questions you have at 

Apr 17, 2020
Episode 80 - Q&A with Suzanne

In today's episode, Suzanne sits down with Joel to answer some of the questions listeners have sent in.

  1. Why is it significant when an enneagram 3 has a 4 wing?
  2. What numbers are good in relationship together?
  3. How can 9s and 1s deal with their anger?
  4. What does being "other referenced" mean, and what numbers are?
  • Morning Pages
  • Prayer Beads
  • Church antagonists
  • Totems
  • Stay at home parents

Thank you all for listening and for your feedback! Keep the questions coming in at

And visit today to sign up for an upcoming event with Suzanne!

Mar 09, 2020
Episode 79 - Education and the Enneagram Part 2

Part 2 of 2

Billy is back for more!

Suzanne and Billy are diving into Repressed Centers of Intelligence today, as well as, how can each enneagram number best communicate with their kid’s teachers?

  • The Process vs. Progress

  • Responding vs. Reacting

“Doing the next right thing is sometimes followed by the word, ‘now’.”

“The delivery of the message is equally as important as the content of the message.”

Billy in some form or fashion has been studying the enneagram under Suzanne since he was 19! Now 40, married to Joey Schewee (enneagram 8), raising 2 boys and working on his doctorate at UTD, Billy shares how he utilizes what he has learned as a parent, an educator, and an administrator.

We hope you enjoy today’s podcast, and be sure to go back and listen to Part 1 (Episode 78) if you missed it!

Feb 27, 2020
Episode 78 - Education and the Enneagram Part 1

Part 1 of 2

Billy Schewee, enneagram 9, joins Suzanne on the podcast to talk about his pursuit of bringing enneagram knowledge and work into the education world.

Billy in some form or fashion has been studying the enneagram under Suzanne since he was 19! Now 40, married to Joey Schewee (enneagram 8), raising 2 boys and working on his doctorate at UTD, Billy shares how he utilizes what he has learned as a parent, an educator, and an administrator.

We hope you enjoy Part 1 and be sure to download Part 2 when it becomes available!


Feb 21, 2020
Episode 77 - Meredith McDaniel (Enneagram 4)

Welcome Meredith McDaniel to The Enneagram Journey!

Meredith is a wife, mom, author, and therapist from North Carolina.

She and Suzanne talk about her new book, In Want and Plenty, which was released in January 2020, and what her life and relationships are like from the lens of an enneagram 4. 

They talk about so much including:

  • Does God give us more than we can handle?
  • Life as a 4 married to an enneagram 7.
  • Disappointment 
  • Discernment
  • Spontaneity vs. Surprise
  • And more of course!

You can find out more about Meredith and her practice at

"I really used to believe that in order for other people to want to have anything to do with God, that I had to pretend like I had it all together. Im from the South, and we do that really well."

- Meredith McDaniel

Feb 17, 2020
Episode 76 - Brad (7) and Noelle (4) Otts

Our good friends Brad and Noelle join Suzanne on The Journey today to talk about their relationship, their family, and how they have navigated life over the past 15 years as an Enneagram 7 and 4.

The first half includes a lot of good enneagram stance talk and great discussion on the Head and the Heart and that disconnect in their relationship.

"We realized that we don't know how to argue. He is very good at arguing, and I'm very good at retreating." - Noelle

The second half of the show the Otts share their joys and struggles in building a family. The discussion includes discernment, they're experiences with therapy, and tools and advise for other parents going through tough seasons.

“...learning how to have the freedom within messy trauma to re-write the script of how things are supposed to look.”



Visit for dates, information, and registration for the 2020 Enneagram Boot Camp with Suzanne Stabile. The event sold out quickly last year, so don't wait too long to register!

Feb 03, 2020
The Enneagram, Trauma, and Adoption Part 3

This is the final installment of our three part conversation on the Enneagram, Trauma, and Adoption.

If you are new to The Enneagram Journey Podcast, we recommend listening to the first two parts of this conversation in episodes 73 and 74.

Dr. Rila (enneagram 7) and Suzanne (enneagram 2) open this episode answering a few more questions from the audience who was at The Micah Center for this recording. Then they run through each enneagram number and the struggles they may have with adoption as both a child and adopting parent.

Thank you for joining us on this Journey!

Please keep sending your questions, comments, and feedback to 

Jan 21, 2020
The Enneagram, Trauma, and Adoption Part 2

Part 2 of 3 on Trauma and Adoption.

  • How should we address change in other's behavior?
  • What is episodic meaning?
  • Birthdays, Adoption Days, and Memory Candles
  • Q&A from the audience
  • and more!

"...the wounds are so great that the family pulls into a cocoon for retreat and not for growth." - Dr. Barbara Rila

"The enneagram gives us a structure in which to be mindful."

Jan 10, 2020
The Enneagram, Trauma, and Adoption

Special Episode!

Dr. Barbara Rila joined Suzanne at the Micah Center in front of a small audience to talk about Trauma, Adoption, and the Enneagram, so we went ahead and recorded it to share. This is Part 1 of either 2 or 3 where Suzanne and Barbara introduce themselves and why they're having the discussion and then tackle the topic of Trauma.

"Every enneagram number finds a victim spot in the low side of their stress number." - Suzanne

This episode includes:

  1. Definition of Trauma
  2. Genetic predisposition vs. Environment
  3. Movement in the Enneagram during trauma
  4. Parenting Styles and Trauma
  5. Pro Social Behavior
  6. A good chunk of Enneagram 6 talk

Enjoy the episode and please share it with anyone you think may need or want to hear it!

Jan 03, 2020
Episode 72 - Stephanie Hewitt (Enneagram 5)

Meet vocational coach, founder of The Reset Consortium, and enneagram 5, Stephanie Hewitt!

Stephanie joins Suzanne and Joel on The Enneagram Journey to talk about life growing up as a 5 and daughter of a Marine who had to move a lot. She sheds some light on having a 4 wing, how she discovered her number, and what it has been like learning and growing with her stress and security numbers.

Suzanne and Stephanie also talk some about Enneagram Subtypes. If you're interested in learning more about subtypes, visit and use the promo code "72" at checkout to get the Enneagram Subtypes mp3 for $20. (code is good through the end of the year).

And, to learn more about Stephanie and The Reset Consortium visit !

Enjoy today's conversation, and we hope to see you at an upcoming event!

Dec 19, 2019
Episode 71 - Q and A with Suzanne

After a small break we are back!

Feedback has been that you love the episodes that feature Suzanne answering your questions, so that is what we are going to start "season 3"? with!

Can we discover our children's orientation to time and what can we do with that? Is my husband a 5 or an 8? And lets discuss being a stay at home mom who is a 3 and wondering about her movements in stress and security. Also, enneagram 6, Lindsay O'connor joins the Journey to talk about anxiety and Suzanne breaks down what all enneagram personalities get anxious about.

2020 is just around the corner and that means a whole new season of live workshops and events. Suzanne, Joe, and LTM hope to see you at an upcoming event in Virginia, Tennessee, Colorado, Georgia, or their home of Texas!

We are lighting a candle for you and your Journey here at the Micah Center!

Dec 09, 2019
Episode 70 - Leslie Bley (Enneagram 6)

Leslie Bley, enneagram 6, is on The Journey with Suzanne in today's episode!

“It is a particular gift of yours regardless of what is happening in the room, to lead people back to the middle.” Suzanne to Leslie

"One of the reasons its so important to me that people learn the enneagram, because you get to CHOOSE a reaction. And when you don’t know the enneagram, it so often chooses you."

“For 6s, there’s something scary about hope, and there’s something scary about change.” Leslie

“Duty is why I’m brave.” Leslie

Married to Kevin who is an enneagram 9, and mother to twin boys, Leslie is a therapist who lives in Austin, TX. This episode discusses so many topics including the enneagram in therapy, duty vs. desire, and lots of good discussion and distinctions within the Dependent Stance.

Hope you can join Suzanne live in Dallas or online on November 22 for Holidays and the Enneagram! Visit for more information and registration.

Oct 28, 2019
Episode 69 - Sean Palmer (Enneagram 3)

Enneagram 3, husband, and father of two beautiful girls, Sean Palmer is on today's episode of The Enneagram Journey! (He is also a pastor, speaker, writer)

This episode is full of so many great sound bites:

"3s don't cut corners. We find efficiencies."

"Why is the investment in who we are and what we believe so low?"

"How many people I have talked to who are married to 1s, and how deeply they love them, but don't understand the 1s feelings about themselves."

This episode also holds some great content about enneagram stances, orientation to time, and how we all deal with failure.


Good luck on Your Journey!

Oct 11, 2019
Episode 68 - Craig Nash (Enneagram 6)

Have you taken a test to find out your enneagram number? Did it turn out to be incorrect? Craig Nash is one of MANY people who has had this experience and he shares it on today's episode of The Enneagram Journey!

Suzanne and Craig discuss the counter-phobic/phobic continuum, relationships between Sixes and Twos, Sixes and Fear, chaining, and on and on. Be sure to listen for the Jason Isbell lyrics that Craig claims is the Enneagram Six Anthem!

If you have questions for Craig, or want to hear more from him, he will be back in Dallas on October 18th as part of a panel for a Live Enneagram Journey Podcast with Suzanne! visit for more details and for tickets.

Thank you for listening, for your support of the podcast, LTM, and for Joe and Suzanne's work! We hope you enjoy today's show, and to see you at an upcoming event!

Sep 26, 2019
Episode 67 - Brian McLaren (4) Part 2

This episode is a little bit Enneagram and a whole lot of Journey! Suzanne and Brian continue their conversation that was recorded at Lemuria Bookstore in Jackson, Mississippi. 

Sep 06, 2019
Episode 66 - Brian McLaren (4) Part 1

Coming to you from Lemuria Bookstore in Jackson, Mississippi! It's The Enneagram Journey with Suzanne Stabile and special guest and friend, Brian McLaren!!

Brian and Suzanne have taught together in the past, and their warmth for one another is evident in the podcasts. If you want to know more about Brian though, here is a lot of great biographical information pulled from

Brian D. McLaren is an author, speaker, activist, and public theologian. A former college English teacher and pastor, he is a passionate advocate for “a new kind of Christianity” – just, generous, and working with people of all faiths for the common good. He is a faculty member of  The Living School, which is part of the Center for Action and Contemplation, and he co-leads the Common Good Messaging Team, which is part of Vote Common Good. He is also an Auburn Senior Fellow and a leader in the Convergence Network, through which he has developed an innovative training/mentoring program for pastors, church planters, and lay leaders called Convergence Leadership Project. He works closely with the Wild Goose Festival, the Fair Food Program‘s Faith Working Group, and Progressive Christianity. His most recent joint project is an illustrated children’s book (for all ages) called Cory and the Seventh Story and his upcoming writing projects include The Galapagos Islands: A Spiritual Journey (Fall 2019) Faith After Doubt (Spring 2021), and Do I Stay Christian? (Spring 2022).

Aug 29, 2019
Episode 65 - Carolyn Teel (Enneagram 5)

You have probably heard more about Carolyn Teel from Suzanne over the years than will be in this podcast episode, but it is long overdue that you hear from Carolyn herself!

Carolyn is an Enneagram 5 and Suzanne's oldest friend. You get to hear how they have made their relationship work as an extrovert 2 and an introvert 5 over the past 50 plus years.

Their conversation goes back to when they had to use a microphone pointed at a record player for the drill team to perform to! Also, we hope you enjoy an intro from Joey Schewee as she talks about the gifts and love that Carolyn has shown her over the years.

Aug 22, 2019
Episode 64 - Enneagram Ones: Casey Bonano and Whitney Stabile

This is an episode for everyone! Not just enneagram 1s, or 2s, or 7s, or people interested in learning about diet culture, or people who want to hear about SNAP, or people who want to learn about Belief Systems, or people struggling with shame, or people dealing with their body see where we are going with this.

Get to know Enneagram Ones, Casey Bonano RD, LD, CEDRD, and Whitney Stabile MS, LPC-S, CEDS and hear about their Enneagram Journeys.

If you want to reach out to Whitney you can find her at and you can reach out to Casey at


Good luck on your Journey!!

Aug 07, 2019
Episode 63 - Susan Robb (Enneagram 9)

Meet Enneagram 9, Susan Robb!

A former Kilgore Rangerette and Baylor Bear, mother of 2, and wife of Ike Robb (enneagram 1), Susan was called to seminary when her kids were in elementary school. Susan and Suzanne discuss Calling and what that can cost, but also what it's worth. She has been on staff at Highland Park United Methodist Church now for 18 years.

They discuss her book, Called: Hearing and Responding to God's Voice, the gifts that Enneagram Nines have to offer the rest of us, shame and guilt, and of course much more.

Jul 25, 2019
Episode 62 - Intro to Spiritual Practices and the Enneagram

This is a very special episode! Unlike previous podcasts, today's episode is the introduction (first hour) of Suzanne and Joe's workshop, Spiritual Practices and the Enneagram. As it was being edited, it was incredible how many of your questions get answered in the first hour. It was too great not to share!

The hour includes some enneagram introductory information, enneagram history, some next step wisdom. Suzanne addresses trauma, Joe reaches out to Spiritual Directors and Clergy. What is Essence, and why should we do soul work or participate in Spiritual Practices? The 3 Centers of Intelligence, Enneagram Triads, Enneagram Stances, and, and, and!

We hope you grow from this podcast, and if you are interested in hearing the rest of the workshop, it will be available at and beginning July 15th!

Welcome to The Journey! Let's grow deeper together!

Jul 09, 2019
Episode 61 - Melissa Radke (Enneagram 7)

If you haven't met Melissa Radke yet, then you are in for a real treat! Author, star of the new USA reality show The Radkes, wife and mother of 2, and enneagram 7, Melissa joins Suzanne on the show today.

One of the best parts of the conversation is hearing about when and how Melissa decided she was "worth the work". Like Melissa, have you ever been told you're "just too much"? They also discuss dealing with grief, they talk about faith, and about growing older.

Enjoy the podcast and after listening be sure to visit to learn more about Melissa, her family, the show, and her books!


Jun 27, 2019
Episode 60 - Caroline (4) and Ann (8) Willet

Ann and Caroline have been on a Journey that has included the Enneagram for 7 years now after they attended Suzanne's workshops back in 2012. A lot of people think that 4s and 8s have much in common, and many believe that they are soooooo different. This podcast addresses both sides and talks about how their relationship has evolved as they've grown. What are the differences in parenting young children and adult children? And though he didn't know it, Loren, Ann's husband and Caroline's father, an enneagram 9, gets caught in the conversation's cross hairs as well! 

There is so much gold from both the parent and daughter angle, about both the aggressive and withdrawing stance, someone who deals so much with shame and someone who deals often with anger. I hope you, and your family and friends can glean as much from it as I did!

Jun 18, 2019
Episode 59 - The Enneagram and Repressed Centers

What is your Repressed Center? Thinking? Feeling? Doing?

Suzanne explains how 1s, 2s, and 6s are Thinking Repressed. How 4s, 5s, and 9s are Doing Repressed. And, how 3s, 7s, and 8s are Feeling Repressed. Remember, "Repressed" can mean many different things for each number in each Stance! People often push back on this topic, but today's episode will help to clear things up, and give us all some tools moving forward. 

If you want MORE TOOLS! visit

and use the promo code PODCAST at checkout to get Suzanne's mp3 teachings on How To Develop Your Repressed Center (3 hours of content for each stance) for 50% off during the month of June.

Want to see her teach in person on Enneagram Stance Work? Come see her in Los Angeles in October for a 2 day workshop on Enneagram Stances! You can find information and registration for that as well on the LTM website.

Good luck on The Journey!

Jun 05, 2019
Episode 58 - Rachel Cruze (Enneagram 3)

How many fights do you have with people in your life about money and finances? How much internal conflict do you have over it?!

We hope that today's podcast will help! Enneagram 3, Rachel Cruze joins Suzanne on The Journey to talk about life as a 3, contentment, money, jealousy and envy, and shame.

Rachel helps people learn the proper ways to handle money and stay out of debt. She’s authored three best-selling books, including Love Your Life, Not Theirs and Smart Money Smart Kids. As the daughter of Dave Ramsey, Rachel uses the knowledge and experiences from growing up in the Ramsey household to educate others.

May 30, 2019
Episode 57 - Emily P. Freeman (Enneagram 4)

It's low hanging fruit, but it is fair to say that you have done The Next Right Thing by listening to this episode! Enneagram 4, Emily Freeman, joins Suzanne to talk about discernment and the process of doing The Next Right Thing, which is the title of her newest book and her incredibly wonderful podcast. 

Suzanne and Emily walk through the book discussing the chapters and the significance and overlap of enneagram work and discernment. What role does your enneagram number play when making big, tough, or every day decisions?

Giving readers practical, soul-filled steps to discern their next move in love, The Next Right Thing: A Simple, Soulful Practice for Making Life Decisions (Baker Books, April 2, 2019) delivers accessible encouragement and reflections to ease readers’ minds as they tackle any decision they face.

ALSO!! For the rest of the month of May, visit and purchase a copy of The Path Between Us: An Enneagram Journey to Healthy Relationships for only $15 AND it will come with a free copy of The Path Between Us Study Guide!


May 16, 2019
Episode 56 - Answering Your Enneagram Questions

Another episode where Suzanne sets out to answer some of your Enneagram Questions!

Today's questions were submitted through and on Instagram @suzannestabile. Thank you to everyone who submits questions, this is Suzanne's absolute favorite way to teach!


May 07, 2019
Episode 55 - Jeremy (9) and Audrey (8) Roloff

You probably know Jeremy and Audrey from the hit T.V. show Little People Big World, but as we discuss in this conversation, that isn't what defines them. You may also have read their new book, A Love Letter Life, but that doesn't define their future either! Jeremy, an Enneagram 9, past oriented and an immovable object, and Audrey, Enneagram 8, future oriented and an unstoppable force talk about their relationship, what they are doing to grow a healthy loving life together, and how they're encouraging others to do the same.


Apr 29, 2019
Episode 54 - Annie F. Downs (Enneagram 7)

This is a good one!

Annie F. Downs joins Suzanne in this episode to talk about life as a traveling, writing, public speaking, enneagram 7. They talk about faith, expectations, boundaries, and more.

Annie F. Downs is a bestselling author, nationally known speaker, and podcast host based in Nashville, Tennessee. Flawed but funny, she uses her words to highlight the everyday goodness of a real and present God. An author of multiple bestselling books- including Remember God, 100 Days to Brave, and Looking For Lovely, Annie loves traveling around the country speaking at conferences, churches, and events. She also hosts the popular That Sounds Fun Podcast. Annie is a huge fan of bands with banjos, confetti, her community of friends, boiled peanuts, and soccer. Read more at and follow her @anniefdowns.

Apr 16, 2019
Episode 53 - Answering Your Enneagram Questions

We are trying to clean out the questions inbox!

In this Episode, Suzanne answers:

  1. How do I figure out my number?
  2. What is your stance on tests?
  3. What would you say to people who say that the enneagram is evil?
  4. Talk about wings. Are they important?
  5. What does pathology mean in the enneagram?
  6. What is the order of enneagram work?
  7. How long can you live in your stress or security number?
  8. What are good Lent practices for each enneagram number?

We hope you enjoy the show, and keep the questions coming!

Also, be sure to visit beginning April 1 for information, dates, and the the application for the 2020 Enneagram and Contemplative Practices Cohorts.

Mar 28, 2019
Episode 52 - Parenting Discussion Panel, Part 2

Welcome back everyone for Part 2 of the Parenting and the Enneagram Discussion! If you missed the first half, you will find it in Episode 51.

On February 28th, Suzanne and 8 friends gathered together to discuss Parenting and the role enneagram work has played in their lives. It. Was. Incredible. Lindsay Norsworthy (1), Suzanne Stabile (2), Aaron Ivey (3), Elizabeth Chapin (4), Nathaniel Chapin (5), Jamie Ivey (6), Luke Norsworthy (7), Todd Dugas (8), and Joe Stabile (9) make up the panel and represent all 9 enneagram numbers.

With 14 children between them and years of experience, what they shared is so beneficial for everyone!

Mar 15, 2019
Episode 51 - Parenting Discussion Panel, Part 1

On February 28th, Suzanne and 8 friends gathered together to discuss Parenting and the role enneagram work has played in their lives. It. Was. Incredible. Lindsay Norsworthy (1), Suzanne Stabile (2), Aaron Ivey (3), Elizabeth Chapin (4), Nathaniel Chapin (5), Jamie Ivey (6), Luke Norsworthy (7), Todd Dugas (8), and Joe Stabile (9) make up the panel and represent all 9 enneagram numbers.

With 14 children between them and years of experience, what they shared is so beneficial for everyone!

*During the first 5:40 of the recording, there was a technical difficulty with the recording equipment, but after that it is corrected!

We hope you enjoy this episode and the second half of it in episode 52 of TEJ! Please leave a review and share with your friends and family!

Mar 12, 2019
Episode 50 - Orientation to Time

Thank you all for continuing to ask such great questions!

We sat down to look at the questions you have turned in through social media, the 3 websites, email, and at live events, and one topic continued to pop out over and over.

Will you please talk more and explain more about the Enneagram and Orientation to Time?

YES! This episode begins with an introduction on the 3 Enneagram Stances and walks through how our orientation to time can affect our parenting, marriage, and even work life!

We hope you enjoy it, and keep the questions coming! (there are two more Q&A episodes to be released in the coming weeks).

AND! Visit for info about, and to sign up for, the 2019 Enneagram Bootcamp!! This year's title is: Stress, Security, and The Speed of Life. Register by Easter and save $100!

Mar 08, 2019
Episode 49 - Jenny Mcnulty (Enneagram 9)

People have been asking for an episode with Suzanne and an Enneagram 9 who has an 8 wing, and this is that episode!

Jenny Mcnulty, Suzanne's other daughter, joins the podcast!

Topics include: Is there such thing as an extroverted 9? Relationships (always!). What having an 8 wing looks like, what work that causes for Jenny, and also how she benefits from it. AND MORE!

Feb 21, 2019
Episode 48 - Knox McCoy (Enneagram 5)

The last 2 episodes included guests that were an enneagram 4 and 9, and this episode is going to wrap up the Withdrawing Stance with enneagram 5, Knox McCoy!

Author of The Wondering Years, co-host of The Popcast with Knox and Jamie, husband and father of 3, Knox joins Suzanne to discuss life as a 5 including: social media (a common theme as of late), of course pop culture, social situations, and a subject a lot of people are curious about, Subtypes.

You can find Knox in Birmingham, AL, you can find The Wondering Years on Amazon, and you can find Suzanne in Long Beach, CA (Feb. 22-23), Austin, TX (Feb. 28 - Mar. 2), and Portland, OR (March 15-17).

AND, please rate and leave a review of the podcast!

Feb 04, 2019
Episode 47 - Audrey Assad (Enneagram 9)

Enneagram 9, Audrey Assad joins Suzanne on this episode of The Enneagram Journey!

This conversation stands alone in it’s uniqueness. Not only because of Audrey’s beautiful music that opens and closes the show, but because of the depth of their talk on how OCD, yoga, the enneagram, acupuncture, and music play a role in Audrey’s life. Suzanne and Audrey talk mental health, and be sure to listen when Suzanne talks about Enneagram Triads and the importance of finding balance in emotional, mental, and physical health.

There is so much more to Audrey and her Journey than we could fit in this paragraph or two, so please visit to learn more about Audrey and her Journey, and definitely check out her latest album Evergreen! 

Jan 25, 2019
Episode 46 - Marty Dalton (enneagram 4)

The first episode of 2019 is here, and it is a wonderful episode to start the year with!

Get to better know Marty Dalton:

Marty is a poet and novelist from Chicago, IL. His spoken word has been featured nationally on NPR and Moody Radio. He’s the author of three books, most recently The Brightest: a novella, a love story about love stories.


Jan 16, 2019
Episode 45 - Luke Norsworthy Part 2

I love Luke Norsworthy, but to say this is an Enneagram 7 Episode would be such an injustice.

In this episode we talk about mystery and faith, spiritual practices and enneagram stances, repressed centers, how Threes Sixes and Nines can be repressed and dominant in the same center, parenting, and answering other questions from the audience. And all of this with the joy and flare of 2 Sevens and a super extroverted Two!


Go grab your copy of God Over Good, come see me at an upcoming conference or event, and leave your comments and a review on iTunes!

Thank you Luke, and everyone who joined us. Definitely an episode that you will want to listen to more than once!

Dec 07, 2018
Episode 44 - Luke Norsworthy (Enneagram 7) Part 1

This is what you get when you have a great interview, with an enneagram 7, and a live audience! 

Enjoy Part 1 of Suzanne's conversation with Enneagram 7, Luke Norsworthy. You may know Luke from his podcast, Newsworthy With Norsworthy, and you will definitely want to go out and buy or check out his new book, God Over Good.

Luke's wife Lindsey is an Enneagram 1, and they live in Austin with their 3 beautiful daughters.

This podcast was recorded at The Micah Center in Dallas in front of a small audience on October 18th.


Dec 03, 2018
Episode 43 - Jamie Ivey (Enneagram 6) Part II

Today's podcast is Part 2 of the conversation with Enneagram 6, Jamie Ivey. Suzanne, Jamie, and Joel dive into a few of the themes of Jamie's book, If You Only Knew.

Be sure to check out Jamie's podcast, The Happy Hour with Jamie Ivey also!

Jamie Ivey is passionate about following wherever Jesus takes her, loving her husband, and trying to be the best mom she can be to the four cutest kids in the world. She loves reading great books, vacationing at the beach, speaking to women, date nights, and could easily eat TexMex three times a day.  She lives in Austin Texas with her husband Aaron (worship pastor at The Austin Stone) and their crazy kids. You can find her blogging about parenting, marriage, adoption & faith at her website Jamie also hosts a weekly podcast, The Happy Hour with Jamie Ivey, where she chats with a new guest each week about the big things in life, the small things in life, and everything in between. You can find that show at Her book, If You Only Knew, released in January of 2018.

If you are interested in the upcoming Enneagram: Stress and Security workshop, please visit for more information!

Nov 17, 2018
Episode 42 - Jamie Ivey (Enneagram 6)

This episode was so great we had to break it into 2!

Meet Jamie Ivey!

Jamie is a podcaster, writer, and speaker from Austin, Texas. She is the proud mama of four kids and the wife of Aaron, worship pastor of The Austin Stone Community Church. Jamie loves to encourage women to passionately follow Jesus through whatever stage of life. She does this through writing and her weekly podcast, The Happy Hour with Jamie Ivey. Her book, If You Only Knew released in January of 2018.

Jamie and Suzanne talk about shame and the church, Sixes and fear, and how Sevens and Sixes process their fears differently.

Parenting, relationships with fans and followers, and her book If You Only Knew are some of the topics discussed over the next two episodes!

Nov 08, 2018
Episode 41 - LeeAnn Robelia (Enneagram 7)

So great to have LeaAnn on the podcast!

LeeAnn has been in the Enneagram Apprentice program with Suzanne for the past 3 years and has done a lot of work! It is so great to hear someone from the feeling repressed stance talk about their need to bring up feelings. 

Suzanne and LeeAnn dive into orientation to time and what the downside of being oriented to the future is, and what it may mean to be able to have some balance in that area. What are some of the things that she has missed out on because of her "7ness"? And, what advice would she give to someone in relationship with a 7?

All of that is discussed and so much more!

We hope you enjoy their conversation, and if you think the podcast deserves a 5 star rating, then leave one and a review wouldn't hurt either!


Oct 17, 2018
Episode 40 - Rev. Joseph Stabile (9) and Hunter Mobley (2)

Very cool episode this week!

This week we get to hear a lot of great information on the differences between 2s and 9s. Also, about two different dynamics: the working relationship between Joe and Hunter, and more on the relationship between Joe and Suzanne.

If you are going into ministry, you'll want to stick around until the end when Joe and Hunter share some advice of what they've learned about themselves and what they wish they knew when they first entered ministry.


Suzanne will be teaching The Enneagram: Movement to Stress and Security in Dallas on November 19th and 20th, and it will be streamed live online, so you can join in from all around the world for only $30!


Oct 01, 2018
Episode 39 - Christopher and Amanda Phillips (Enneagram 1s)

Meet Enneagram 1s Christopher and Amanda Phillips!

They have been learning and working with their enneagram numbers for over 3 years now, and the changes and transformation in their lives is so evident. They live in Nashville, TN with their 2 incredible children, Jack and Francine. Can you imagine the expectations that Ones must have when they take their kids for their first day of school?! 

Sep 21, 2018
Episode 38 - Tony Jones Part II

Part 2 of Suzanne's conversation with the very future oriented, Enneagram 8, Tony Jones! 

Topics this episode include: parenting, vocation, social media today, and as always with Suzanne, RELATIONSHIPS!

Leave a review, and leave a voicemail for the show at

Sep 13, 2018
Episode 37 - Tony Jones, Part I

This is part one of two of Suzanne's conversation with Enneagram 8, Tony Jones. Tony jokingly second guesses his enneagram number in the beginning of today's show, but as each minute passes, you'll be able to laugh harder at the idea of him not being an 8!

People sometimes have a difficult time hearing the truth from 8s, but Tony does a great job of laying it all out there in this episode on behalf of his fellow 8s.

Tony Jones is the author of Did God Kill Jesus? Searching for Love in History’s Most Famous Execution, theologian, and speaker. He is a leading figure in the emerging church movement and in postmodern Christianity.

Sep 07, 2018
Episode 36 - Ben and Becky Hensley (Enneagram 8 and 3)

Such an intriguing conversation this week! Ben and Becky are two Aggressive Stance numbers happily married. There are often a lot of questions about the differences between 3s and 8s, and this episode addresses many! They are both such passionate people, but what I love the most about them is there passion for justice and all the good that they put in the world as a couple.

I loved talking with them and hope you enjoy it too!

Aug 24, 2018
Episode 35 - David Gaffney (Enneagram 4)

Suzanne's guest this week is Enneagram 4, David Gaffney! If you think that a Texas high school football coach couldn't excel as a 4 with more 4s on his staff, then you're wrong! The kids at John Paul II High School are really blessed to have him there. 

A real theme in this week's conversation is the enneagram and orientation to time, and David does a great job of speaking to the strengths and struggles of his number.

Thank you for listening and sending in your questions, and please leave a review to let us know what you think about the show!

Aug 16, 2018
Episode 34 - Brian Irwin (Enneagram 3)

In today's episode Brian Irwin, a 3 on the Enneagram, joins Suzanne. What is courageous for a 3? What does a Contemplative Practice look like for a 3? Brian also shares what life is like being in a relationship with a fellow aggressive number.

Aug 09, 2018
Episode 33 - Q&A with TPBU Study Guide Group

Today's podcast was recorded on July 17, 2018 when Suzanne joined The Path Between Us Study Guide group for their final session at The Micah Center in Dallas, TX. We hope you enjoy listening in!

Jul 24, 2018
Episode 32 - The Enneagram, Relationships, and Parenting Part II

This episode is the second part (of 2) of Suzanne's conversation with Joey and Billy Schewee (enneagram 8 and 9) talking about the enneagram and relationships and parenting. Joey and Billy both teach the enneagram across the United States and will be joining Suzanne in Dallas in August to teach brand new material on the Enneagram and Parenting.

Jul 12, 2018
Episode 31 - The Enneagram, Relationships and Parenting
On this episode, Suzanne speaks with Joey and Billy Schewee, (an 8 and a 9) on the first of a 2 part series talking about the Enneagram, Relationships and Parenting.
Joey and Billy both teach Enneagram workshops across the country under Life in the Trinity Ministries.
Jul 05, 2018
Episode 30 - Question and Answers

On this week's episode, Suzanne answers listener questions from the voicemail.

Jun 26, 2018
Episode 29 - Nadia Bolz-Weber (Enneagram 8)

This week, Suzanne speaks with long time friend Nadia Bolz-Weber who is a 8 on the Enneagram. Nadia Bolz Weber is the founding pastor of House for All Sinners and Saints in Denver, Colorado. She is the author of the New York Times bestseller Accidental Saints: Finding God in All the Wrong People​.

Jun 19, 2018
Episode 28 - Abbey Moore (Enneagram 1)

This week on The Enneagram Journey, Suzanne Stabile speaks with 

Abbey Moore who is a 1 on the Enneagram. Abbey is a professional photographer from Grand Rapids, MI and is married to Jake who is a phobic 6.
Jun 14, 2018
Episode 27 - Phil Dieke (Enneagram 9)

This week's episode is with Phil Dieke who is a 9 on the Enneagram.

Phil is the Associate Minister at Highland Park United Methodist Church and the father of 2 with another on the way in July.​
Jun 06, 2018
Episode 26 - Differentiating Between Numbers

On this episode, Suzanne talks about how to differentiate between some numbers. For example: how 9's and 1's sometimes struggle to identify, and 3's and 4's etc.

We will pick back up with guests next time!

May 23, 2018
Episode 25 - Enneagram and Trauma

On this week's episode, Suzanne answers a question from a voicemail that was left and another question related to the Enneagram and trauma. 

May 16, 2018
Episode 24 - Question and Answer

On this episode of The Enneagram Journey, Suzanne is answering your questions!

May 01, 2018
Episode 23 - The Path Between Us: Enneagram 2

This is the final installment of The Path Between Us series covering the 2's on the Enneagram with none other than Enneagram Master Suzanne Stabile, who is an Enneagram 2! (She is the guest on this one)

Apr 10, 2018
Episode 22 - The Path Between Us: Enneagram 1

Continuing the Path Between Us series, Suzanne speaks with Stephanie Burk who is a 1 on the Enneagram. She is married to her husband John, who is a 5 on the Enneagram. 

Apr 03, 2018
Episode 21 - The Path Between Us: Enneagram 6

Continuing The Path Between Us series, Suzanne talks with Heather Mustain who is a 6 on the Enneagram. She is a pastor in Dallas, mother and wife to Chad Mustain (Enneagram 1).

Mar 27, 2018
Episode 20 - The Path Between Us: Enneagram 8

Continuing the series for The Path Between Us, Suzanne talks with Joe Owen. He is an 8 on the Enneagram. 

He is a lawyer, married to his wife Lori who is a 1, father of 3 boys.
Mar 23, 2018
Episode 19 - The Path Between Us: Enneagram 9

On this episode, we continue with The Path Between Us series talking to Jill Herrington who is an Enneagram 9.

She completed the Apprentice Program, has worked in healthcare for the past 15 years, and now has started her own business.
Mar 13, 2018
Episode 18 - The Path Between Us: Enneagram 4

On this episode, Suzanne continues with The Path Between Us series talking to Rose Estes, who is an Enneagram 4.

She is a former social worker, now stay at home mom. Her husband Webb is a 6 on the Enneagram and they have 2 daughters.
We hope you enjoy their conversation!
Mar 06, 2018
Episode 17 - The Path Between Us: Enneagram 3

On this episode of the Enneagram Journey, Suzanne talks with Drew Moser. Drew is a 3 on the Enneagram. He’s married to Bekah, a 1 on the Enneagram, and together they raise 5 children.

Drew is a Dean and Professor at Taylor University in Indiana. He’s also a writer, speaker, and consultant on twentysomethings and vocation. His book, Ready or Not: Leaning in Life in Our Twenties, releases in April of this year. 

Feb 27, 2018
Episode 16 - The Path Between Us: Enneagram 7

Continuing the series for Suzanne's new book The Path Between Us, she is talking with Dave Barnes who is a 7 on the Enneagram. 

​Dave is a musician and comedian who lives in Nashville with his wife, Annie, (who is an 8 on the Enneagram) and their 3 kids.

His new album Who Knew It Would Be So Hard To Be Myself just released.​

Feb 20, 2018
Episode 15 - The Path Between Us: Enneagram 5

This is the first of a 9 part series around the new book The Path Between Us.

Today we are talking with Casey McCollum, a 5 on the Enneagram. 

Casey is married with 2 kids living in Denton, TX. He is a former Pastor of 15 years who now utilizes his experience and the Enneagram as a consultant for individuals, churches, and nonprofits.

Feb 13, 2018
Episode 14: Stress and Security 2, 8, and 9

On this episode, Suzanne speaks with her husband Rev. Joe Stabile (Enneagram 9) and daughter Joey Schewee (Enneagram 8) to discuss Stress and Security for 2's, 8's, and 9's.

Jan 23, 2018
Episode 13: Todd Dugas (Enneagram 8)

On this episode, Suzanne speaks with Todd Dugas who is an 8 on The Enneagram. 

Although currently working as a Clinical Director, Todd has progressively advanced administratively and clinically in addictive disorders and mental health agencies in the public systems, criminal justice systems and private sectors. 


Jan 16, 2018
Episode 12: The Enneagram, Therapy and Eating Disorders pt. 2

On this episode, We are continuing the conversations started last week where Suzanne is speaking with a group of women about the Enneagram, therapy and eating disorders. 

This episode's guests include:

Eden Hyder, LPC, PCCA. Program Director at the Center for Discovery Outpatient Program in Dallas. (Enneagram 2)
Candace David, LPC, LCDC. Lead Therapist at Changes Outpatient of Frisco (Enneagram 8)
Whitney Russell Stabile, MS, LPC-S, CEDS. Program Director at the Center for Discovery Residential Program of Dallas (Enneagram 1)


Jan 09, 2018
Episode 11: The Enneagram, Therapy and Eating Disorders

On this episode, Suzanne is speaking with a group of women about the Enneagram, therapy and eating disorders. 

This episode's guests include:

Eden Hyder (Enneagram 2)
Candace David (Enneagram 8)
Whitney Russell Stabile (Enneagram 1)

The 3 used to work together using the Enneagram as a tool in therapy. 

Jan 02, 2018
Episode 10: Sarah Bragg (Enneagram 3)

On this episode of The Enneagram Journey, Suzanne speaks with Sarah Bragg, host of the podcast Surviving Sarah and author of the book Body. Beauty. Boys. The Truth About Girls and How We See Ourselves.

Sarah is a 3 on the Enneagram. She's married to her husband, who is a 5 on the Enneagram, and together they have two girls. 

We hope you enjoy this episode of the Enneagram Journey.

Dec 19, 2017
Episode 9: Pt. 2 of Q&A with Rev. Joe Stabile (Enneagram 9) and Joey Schewee (Enneagram 8)

On this episode, this is a completion of the question and answer segment from Episode 7 with Rev. Joe Stabile and Joey Schewee.

We hope you enjoy it! Please join us on

Dec 12, 2017
Episode 8: Dana Effler (Enneagram 6)

On this episode of The Enneagram Journey, Suzanne speaks with Dana Effler who is a 6 on the Enneagram.

Dana is the Director of Music and Arts at FUMC Dallas. She has earned her bachelor's degree in music education from Furman University and a master's degree in choral conducting and in vocal performance from Southern Methodist University. 

We hope you enjoy this episode!

Dec 05, 2017
Episode 7: Rev. Joe Stabile (Enneagram 9) and Joey Schewee (Enneagram 8)

On this week's episode, Suzanne speaks with her husband Joe Stabile who is a 9 on the enneagram and Joey Schewee who is an 8 on the Enneagram. 

Joe is head of Congregational Care at Highland Park UMC in Dallas and Joey is the Director of Admissions and Financial Aid at John Paul II High School in Plano, TX.

We hope you enjoy this episode. 

Nov 28, 2017
Episode 6: The Enneagram and Recovery

On this episode, Suzanne speaks with Nathaniel and Elizabeth who you might have heard on Episode 4 and her son Joel about how the Enneagram has impacted their road to recovery. 

Nathaniel is a 5 on the Enneagram and Elizabeth is a 4. Joel is a 7. 

This episode specifically addresses co-dependency, alcoholism, living with an addict, etc.

We hope that you enjoy this episode of The Enneagram Journey.


Nov 21, 2017
Episode 5: Jean (Enneagram 2) and Carrie (Enneagram 3)

On this episode of The Enneagram Journey, Suzanne speaks with Jean Estes (Enneagram 2) and Carrie Estes Johnstone (Ennneagram 3).

Jean is Carrie's mother and they live in the Richmond, Virginia area.
Nov 14, 2017
Episode 4: Nathaniel (Enneagram 5) and Elizabeth (Enneagram 4)

On this episode of The Enneagram Journey, Suzanne speaks with Nathaniel and Elizabeth Chapin. They live in Austin, Texas with their 2 children, Alabel and Henry.

Nathaniel is an attorney and a 5 on the Enneagram and Elizabeth is an artist, and a 4 on the Enneagram.

We hope you enjoy this episode!
Nov 07, 2017
Episode 3 - Hunter Mobley

On this episode, Suzanne speaks with Hunter Mobley who is a 2 on the Enneagram. 

Hunter Mobley was introduced to the ancient spiritual wisdom tool, the Enneagram, several years ago when he met master Enneagram teacher, Suzanne Stabile. Hunter is completing an old-fashioned apprenticeship with Suzanne as he prepares to continue teaching the Enneagram and Christian spirituality at conferences, retreats, corporate events, and churches. 

Hunter is currently Executive Pastor at Christ Church Nashville, home of the Grammy-nominated Christ Church Choir. He also teaches as an adjunct professor at Belmont University College of Law. 

Oct 31, 2017
Episode 2 - Teresa and Peter

On this episode, Suzanne speaks with Peter (Enneagram 1) and Teresa (Enneagram 6) McBean, married 39 years with 3 children and 2 more added via marriage and one grandson.

They are a team in everything from grandparenting to ministry. Pete is an IT consultant and Teresa is the executive director of The National Association for Christian Recovery and pastor of Northstar Community.

Oct 24, 2017
Episode 1: Luke Norsworthy

On this week's episode of The Enneagram Journey, Suzanne speaks to Luke Norsworthy. 

Luke and his wife Lindsay along with their three daughters live in Austin, TX where Luke is the senior minister of the Westover Hills Church. Luke also hosts the Newsworthy with Norsworthy Podcast,  a weekly podcast discussing Spirituality, Christianity, and anything else that seems news worthy.

Oct 17, 2017
The Enneagram Journey Trailer
Oct 04, 2017