Another Way, by Lawrence Lessig

By Lawrence Lessig

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Hunter Elofson
 Nov 28, 2019
American democracy has a chance to thrive, and if it does, the participants of this podcast will no doubt have played an important role.

Ann Harlan
 Dec 18, 2018
Larry Lessig is brilliant. He describes a beautiful way to change politics - for we are divided people and a house divided cannot stand. He leads us to unite.


Through interviews with politicians, journalists, activists, and the latest and greatest names in the fight to restore our democracy, the Another Way podcast explores the plans and policies for returning power to the people.

Episode Date
On Our Own Failed Democratic State (And What's At Stake On January 17)

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Jan 10, 2022
Discussing The John Eastman Memo with John Eastman
Sep 27, 2021
The Pundits vs. The For The People Act
On this episode of Another Way, Adam Eichen is joined by End Citizens United's Adam Bozzi and American Progress' Michael Sozan. The three discuss the media's handling of the fight to pass the For The People Act and why the pundits have missed the mark.
Sep 20, 2021
The Next Great Civil Rights Bill? With Elizabeth Hira
Sep 05, 2021
Fixing The Filibuster To Save Democracy

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Aug 18, 2021
The Gerrymandering Deadline with Michael Li
Aug 10, 2021
Why The Filibuster is a Fraud

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Aug 09, 2021
Lessig Goes To New Hampshire
On this episode of Another Way, Lessig shares the audio of his recent speech at “Peaches and Politics” in New Durham, New Hampshire. In it, he describes the stakes of the fight for the For The People Act,and makes the case that tough love is now needed for President Biden.
Aug 06, 2021
For The People Act Update with Jana Morgan

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Aug 02, 2021
Is Filibuster Reform on the Horizon? With Eli Zupnick
On this episode of Another Way, Equal Citizens Executive Director Adam Eichen speaks with Eli Zupnick, spokesperson for the Fix Our Senate Coalition ( . The two discuss the stakes of the filibuster fight, what filibuster reform might look like, and the prospects for reform.
Aug 01, 2021
Seinfeld's Jason Alexander asks: “What’s the deal with H.R. 1?”

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Jun 17, 2021
An Update on H.R. 1 from Rep. Mondaire Jones
In this episode, Lawrence Lessig speaks to U.S. Representative Mondaire Jones. They discuss Rep. Jones' first few months as a member of Congress, the latest on H.R. 1, the need for a Third Reconstruction, and the filibuster.
Jun 04, 2021
The Quest To Understand "The People" with Frank Luntz (Part Two)

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May 27, 2021
Exploring The Informational Ecosystem with Jimmy Wales
On this episode of Another Way, Lawrence Lessig speaks with Jimmy Wales, founder of Wikipedia and Lessig and Wales discuss the origins of Wikipedia, its architecture, and its ad-free commitment to neutrality. They also attempt to unpack the growing polarization in the media, digital algorithms and the addictiveness of technology, and how to reform the informational ecosystem to ensure better deliberation.
Apr 29, 2021
The Fight For Voting Rights Reform
For this week's episode, we are re-broadcasting the audio of an Equal Citizens event held on March 31st, 2021 entitled, "The Fight For Voting Rights Reform: The Path To H.R. 1 and H.R. 4". The event featured Lawrence Lessig moderating a conversation between Duke Law Professor Guy-Uriel Charles and Emory Professor Carol Anderson. The three scholars discuss voter suppression, the bills that Congress is currently considering to tackle it — the For The People Act and the Voting Rights Advancement Act — and what we can do to ensure their passage and save our democracy. Representative Mondaire Jones makes a special appearance.
Apr 22, 2021
Breaking The Two-Party Doom Loop with Lee Drutman
Apr 15, 2021
Swamp Stories With Weston Wamp

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Apr 08, 2021
Building Democracy Back Better with Sam Wang

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Mar 25, 2021
“George”: A conversation with the other side
This episode of Another Way is unique: Lessig speaks to a Trump-supporting friend, whose name has been changed and voice altered to allow the friend to speak without the burdens his views might create in his world. Lessig and “George” discuss Trump, the January 6th insurrection and partisanship. Is common ground possible?
Mar 18, 2021
Unpacking America with Rob Sand
On this episode, Lawrence Lessig speaks with Rob Sand, who has served as Iowa's State Auditor since 2019. The two discuss Sand's history of investigating white collar crime, the feeling of loss in small town America, and polarization.
Mar 15, 2021
Reform and The Future of the Republican Party
In this episode, Lawrence Lessig speaks with Bill Kristol, longtime conservative pundit, about democracy reform and the future of the Republican Party.
Mar 03, 2021
Representative Khanna on H.R. 1 and the Fight for Reform
In this episode, Lawrence Lessig speaks with Representative Ro Khanna, who serves California's 17th Congressional district. Rep. Khanna gives listeners a legislative update on the For The People Act, and he speaks candidly about the threat of a Senate filibuster, the need for public campaign financing, the early days of the Biden administration, and the insurrection attempt on January 6th.
Feb 24, 2021
Congress Can Act Now To Protect The Right To Vote
In this episode, Lawrence Lessig is joined by Guy-Uriel Charles, the Edward and Ellen Schwarzman Professor of Law at Duke Law School. Lessig and Charles explore the differences between H.R. 1 (the For The People Act) and H.R. 4 (the Voting Rights Advancement Act), and argue Congress should pass H.R. 1 first. Note: Equal Citizens is highly supportive of both H.R. 1 and H.R. 4.
Feb 12, 2021
The Quest To Understand "The People"

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Feb 05, 2021
The Architect of The For The People Act (H.R. 1)

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Jan 28, 2021
Drawing Inspiration From Alaska

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Jan 19, 2021
Emergency Episode: Insurrection, Georgia, and the Future of US Democracy
Jan 09, 2021
The Second Annual Democracy Awards
On this episode, Jason Harrow and Adam Eichen present the awards for best and worst actors in our democracy. Some award winners will surprise you — and others not so much....
Dec 31, 2020
What Do We Make of 2020?
On this episode, Jason Harrow and Adam Eichen discuss their takeaways from 2020. They reflect on how well our democracy withstood COVID-19 and unprecedented attacks by Donald Trump. The two also highlight the importance of the upcoming runoff senate elections in Georgia.
Dec 31, 2020
Another Way To Elect A President: Election Follow-Up

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Nov 20, 2020
Live Election (and Beyond!) Special
In our election day special, we bring you a recording of our live conversation from October 30. We talked about the worries of this election day, but we also looked beyond the election to discuss the policy options on the table if Biden wins. While we await the results, we end our election day blitz of episodes on an optimistic note!
Nov 03, 2020
Another Way To Elect A President: Jumping The Shark
In this last pre-election episode in our mini-series, we bat around a few outrageous scenarios. Will votes be tossed out en masse? Can the House just refuse to count any votes at all? Find out!
Nov 03, 2020
Another Way To Elect A President: The VP's Role (Part 9)
In this last regular episode of our mini-series about the road to selecting a president, we are joined by David Fontana of GW Law to talk about the Vice President. What role does the Constitution give the Vice President in counting electoral votes? And can this be manipulated?
Nov 03, 2020
Another Way To Elect A President: Contingent Elections (Part 8)
In today's episode of the mini-series, we discuss the House contingent election. It hasn't happened since 1824, but could it this year? What could trigger it? And what would happen if the House has to choose the President?
Nov 02, 2020
Another Way To Elect A President: The Death of a Candidate (Part 7)

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Nov 01, 2020
BONUS: National Popular Vote On The Ballot, with Dr. John Koza
In this bonus episode, Jason speaks with National Popular Vote founder Dr. John Koza. They discuss the problems with the electoral college, how it can be reformed with the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, and the importance of Tuesday's referendum on the issue in Colorado.
Oct 31, 2020
Another Way To Elect A President: The Electoral Count Act (Part 6)
In this episode, we speak with Professor Stephen Siegel, a Professor of Law at DePaul University, about the Electoral Count Act, which sets the rules for Congress when it counts electoral votes. We explain what happens if there is just one slate and how Congress might resolve a controversy if there are competing slates of electors from one state.
Oct 30, 2020
Another Way To Elect A President: The Presidential Electors (Part 5)
In this episode in our presidential election miniseries, we talk about the vote of the electoral college. Who are the electors, how do they cast their votes, and what could possibly go wrong?
Oct 28, 2020
Another Way To Elect A President: Can A State Legislature Overrule The Voters? (Part 4)
Oct 28, 2020
Another Way To Elect The President: What Happens If It's Close In A State? (Part 3)
In this episode of our mini-series on presidential elections, we take a look at three examples of how states handled recounts in close elections. Are we in for a redo of Florida in 2000—or does Hawaii in 1960 provide a better example? A companion series of blog posts related to this episode can be found at
Oct 26, 2020
Another Way To Elect The President: A Red Mirage? (Part 2)
In the next episode in our presidential election miniseries, we discuss election night itself. Will there be some states where early returns favor Trump even if Biden might win when all the votes are counted? If so, what can we do to mitigate any misunderstanding or misinformation from the media or the candidates?
Oct 23, 2020
Another Way To Elect The President: Part 1 (Intro)
In this episode, Larry Lessig introduces a mini-series that will appear in this feed between now and election day: Another Way To Elect The President. This intro provides some historical and legal background for what could be a presidential election unlike any other. Stay tuned for additional episodes.
Oct 19, 2020
Candidate Jake Auchincloss on Reforming Our Elections
This week, Larry speaks with Jake Auchincloss—candidate for Massachusetts’ 4th congressional district—about his victory in a heated primary, the need to reform how we elect candidates, and an in-depth discussion of some of the more obscure, but innovative proposals for campaign finance reform.
Oct 15, 2020
Jon Ossoff's Fight for Georgia and Democracy
In this episode, Larry Lessig speaks with US Senate candidate Jon Ossoff about his campaign to represent Georgia, how his career as a journalist investigating corruption led him to run for office, his commitment to small-dollar public financing, and proposals to fix our broken democracy.
Oct 03, 2020
Jason and Adam on Youth Voting Rights, and More
Equal Citizens' Jason Harrow and Adam Eichen discuss a case Jason's working on about age description in voting. They also talk about legal challenges to voting in general, with only about six weeks to go before the general election.
Sep 22, 2020
Democracy Illustrated: A New Graphic Novel About Democracy

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Sep 04, 2020
Larry Lessig talk with Andrew Yang

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Aug 27, 2020
Bonus: Selecting the President, Today and In The Future (Recast)

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Aug 07, 2020
Alan Khazei on our "Great Awakening"

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Jul 24, 2020
Rep. Ro Khanna Thinks Ending Corruption Is Possible

U.S. Representative Ro Khanna speaks with Larry Lessig about his effort to reform our democracy, end corruption, and reduce the impact of money in politics. They talk about working with both Bernie, why Biden will sign reform, finding a way to a real "grand bargain" that can end corruption, and why it's important for activists to keep the pressure on Congress to pass reform.

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Jul 10, 2020
Eight States Are Discriminating Against Young People

On this episode, Jason Harrow and Adam Eichen discuss a new report released by Equal Citizens and a coalition of scholars and organizations. It argues that eight states are unconstitutionally skewing voting rights in favor of older Americans. The two discuss the details of the report, its ramifications, and next steps.

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Jul 02, 2020
Professor John Gastil on Bringing Reason Back into Politics

This week, Larry Lessig talks with John Gastil, a Professor at the McCourtney Institute for Democracy, about how we can make better political decisions. They discuss the polarized media landscape and specific steps we can take to improve deliberation, understanding, and the use of reason.

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Jun 25, 2020
The Remarkable Stories of Democracy Reform Victories in 2018

On this episode, journalist David Daley joins Adam Eichen to discuss his new book, Unrigged: How Americans Are Battling Back to Save Democracy. To write the book, Daley embedded with democracy reform campaigns throughout the 2018 election cycle. Adam and Dave discuss their favorite success stories from the book and end with some thoughts about Daley's recent New York Times op-ed about the next frontier of gerrymandering.

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Jun 19, 2020
Adem Bunkeddeko on How To Finance Campaigns, and More

Larry Lessig talks to Congressional candidate Adem Bunkeddeko, who is a candidate for the Democratic nomination in New York's 9th District. They discuss his remarkable personal story and his support for vouchers that would revolutionize how politicians raise money.

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Jun 15, 2020
Alex Morse on Congress's Fundraising Lifestyle

Equal Citizens founder Larry Lessig talks with Alex Morse, a candidate for Congress in the First District of Massachusetts, about how Congress really works. They talk about how fundraising permits Congresspeople to live above their means, and why it makes it hard for them to provide real solutions that would improve people's lives. He also explains why, without first reforming our democracy, we're not going to be able to make substantive progress on key policy priorities.

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Jun 11, 2020
Mondaire Jones on Reforming Democracy From Congress

In today's episode, Larry Lessig launches a new "season" of Another Way and explains why we want to talk about reforming our democracy and ending corruption by speaking with folks in or running for Congress and in the media. Our first guest in the series is Mondaire Jones, who is a Democratic candidate for New York's 17th District. They discuss Jones's background, voting in a pandemic, how to take on big money in politics, and more.

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Jun 04, 2020
The Supreme Court Arguments About Presidential Electors: Part 2

In the second part of a two-part series, we bring you the audio of the Supreme Court's hearing of Colorado Department of State v. Baca, the second of the "presidential elector" cases. The episode is introduced by Jason Harrow, who argued the case on behalf of the electors. The argument occurred on May 13.

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May 28, 2020
The Supreme Court Arguments About Presidential Electors: Part 1

In the first part of a two-part series, we bring you commentary as well as the audio of the Supreme Court's hearing of Chiafalo v. Washington, one of the "presidential elector" cases. Professor Larry Lessig, who argued the case on behalf of the electors, begins the episode with an important preface, explanation of the case, and commentary on the argument. We then replay the audio of the Supreme Court hearing, which occurred on May 13.

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May 28, 2020
The Presidential Electors From Colorado Go To the Supreme Court

On today's episode, we follow-up our conversation with electors from Washington by talking with three electors from Colorado. Mike Baca, Polly Baca, and Bob Nemanich are the three plaintiffs in the case of Colorado Department of State v. Baca, which will be argued in the U.S. Supreme Court by telephone on Wednesday, May 13. They describe how they came to be electors, what they were trying to do in 2016 when they contemplated voting for a candidate other than Hillary Clinton, and what it means to them to have the Supreme Court hear the case.

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May 07, 2020
Larry Lessig Speaks To Presidential Electors From Washington

On today's episode, we continue our discussion of the Supreme Court case about presidential electors. Larry Lessig discusses the 2016 presidential election with presidential electors from Washington State. The Supreme Court is set to hear their case on May 13.

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Apr 30, 2020
A Voting Rights Roundup with Stephen Wolf

On this episode, Adam Eichen speaks with Stephen Wolf, staff writer for Daily Kos Elections. The two discuss the recent Congressional stimulus package and what it means for our democracy, which states are adapting their elections to COVID-19, and how our unrepresentative electoral system skews politicians' response to the crisis.

Note: As election laws are changing rapidly, much has changed since this podcast was recorded.

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Apr 23, 2020
Jesse Wegman on Why We Should Let The People Pick The President

On this week's episode, we bring you a recording of a live conversation between Equal Citizens' Jason Harrow and Jesse Wegman, a member of the New York Times editorial board. Jesse's new book is called Let The People Pick The President, and Jason and Jesse discussed the history of efforts to change to a popular vote for President, as well as the current push through the National Popular Vote Compact. Thanks to the Leadership Now Project for hosting this wonderful virtual discussion. You can learn more about Leadership Now at

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Apr 16, 2020
Senator Ron Wyden on Voting During A Pandemic

In this special episode, Equal Citizens founder Larry Lessig talks with U.S. Senator Ron Wyden [D-Or.] about how to protect our elections in this time of crisis. Wyden was the first Senator elected entirely in a mail-in election, and he has emerged as a champion of mail-in voting as the way to ensure we can all vote safely in elections for the remainder of this year. They discuss Wyden's bill as well as what happened in Wisconsin's recent primary that makes vivid the need for immediate reform.

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Apr 09, 2020
The Argument For Why Presidential Electors Should Be Free

In today's episode, Equal Citizens founder Larry Lessig and chief counsel Jason Harrow dive deeply in their case about presidential electors, which is headed to the U.S. Supreme Court. In the episode—the first in a multi-part series—they describe how the text, history, and structure of the Constitution require that presidential electors be free to vote for whatever candidate they wish.

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Apr 02, 2020
Rick Hasen On Voting From Home In A Crisis

On this week's episode, Jason Harrow and Adam Eichen of Equal Citizens talk with election law expert Rick Hasen about the impact of COVID-19 on our democracy. Rick is a professor at UC Irvine and the author of the Election Law Blog and the new and eerily-prescient book Election Meltdown. Rick discusses the importance of expanding voting from home and absentee balloting, whether elections can be "cancelled," and other impacts the coronavirus will have on our elections.

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Mar 26, 2020
How VoteRiders Is Helping A Million People Get Voter ID

In today's episode, Jason Harrow talks with Kathleen Unger, the founder of VoteRiders, about voter ID laws and how her organization is helping more than 1 million people get identification so that they can vote. They discuss the prevalence of voter ID laws, how difficult and expensive it often is to get id, and how the coronavirus crisis is making things even worse.

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Mar 20, 2020
Why Some States Are Moving To Vote At Home

On this episode, Adam Eichen is joined by Phil Keisling, Chair of the National Vote at Home Institute ( The two discuss the spread of Vote at Home—a reform that requires states to mail every voter their ballot before the election—and why this may well be the next frontier of voting reform.

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Mar 05, 2020
Bernie Sanders on His Democracy Reform Platform

With Super Tuesday only days away, we bring you an encore of our conversation about the state of our democracy with Bernie Sanders, the current polling leader for the Democratic nomination. The conversation took place in December in New Hampshire with hosts Larry Lessig and Zephyr Teachout. In it, Bernie promised to make democracy reform a number one priority. Note: this podcast does not constitute an endorsement of Senator Sanders, or any candidate.

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Feb 27, 2020
State of the Race + Improving Democracy in 2024

This week, Jason Harrow and Adam Eichen of Equal Citizens recap the Democratic presidential primary. How important has democracy reform for voters? For the media? Adam then tells stories from the ground in New Hampshire. They conclude by discussing ideas to make the 2024 primaries more small-d democratic. Feedback welcome to

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Feb 20, 2020
How Journalists Follow The Money

Adam Eichen is joined by Andrew Perez, a writer and researcher who spent five years as a money-in-politics investigative reporter. Andrew reveals how he uncovered his biggest stories, why money can be so hard to track, and why we need more journalists—now more than ever.

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Feb 14, 2020
Ezra Klein on Why We're Polarized

In this special episode, Larry Lessig speaks with Ezra Klein, the Vox media founder and host of the Ezra Klein Show, at a live event in Boston. They discuss Ezra's new book "Why We're Polarized" and discuss why it's really the system and the parties—and not the particular policy disagreements between politicians or the public—that have made our democracy so dysfunctional.

The event was held in Back Bay in Boston and hosted by the Harvard bookstore. The audio is courtesy of the wonderful folks at the Forum Network at WGBH Boston. They are in the process of posting video from the event to

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Feb 06, 2020
Why The Census Matters

In this episode, Adam Eichen is joined by Beth Huang, executive director of Massachusetts Voter Table. The two discuss how the decennial census works, why it is so important, the difficulties involved in enumeration, and what groups are doing to ensure an accurate count. Ultimately, they argue, the census is about power and which voices are heard in our democracy. Support us on Patreon:

Jan 30, 2020
End Citizens United's Tiffany Muller on Ten Years of Citizens United

Equal Citizens founder Larry Lessig speaks with Tiffany Muller, the founder of End Citizens United. The unfortunate occasion is the tenth anniversary of the Supreme Court's decision in Citizens United. Tiffany explains not only the problems that big money has caused but also how we need a comprehensive solution that does more than just overturn Citizens United.

Jan 23, 2020
Nick Penniman On Why Democracy Reform Is Issue One

Larry Lessig speaks with Issue One's Nick Penniman about why Nick left journalism to begin tackling the problem of fixing our democracy. Nick then discusses the difference between putting policies on websites and having politicians prioritize real reform that would de-rig the system and enable real change to happen. And they discuss how to build a coalition across the left, right, and center to at last get the change that 80-90% of the public wants to see happen.

Jan 16, 2020
Bonus: Democracy Town Hall With Bernie Sanders

As a bonus episode, we bring your our recent conversation with Senator Bernie Sanders on all things democracy reform. Bernie sat down with Equal Citizens' Larry Lessig and reform advocate Zephyr Teachout to discuss gerrymandering, how to fix our broken campaign finance system, how to end corruption, and much more. Note that this episode was released early to Patreon subscribers. To subscribe, check out

Jan 14, 2020
When Public Financing Almost Swept The Nation

On this episode of the podcast, Adam Eichen is joined by Nick Nyhart, a longtime advocate for public financing of elections. Nick recounts the largely forgotten period of time (1996-2005) when a handful of states adopted public financing measures and the possibilities for reform seemed truly auspicious. The two then deconstruct where things went wrong and why, despite the setbacks, there is reason to be hopeful.

Jan 08, 2020
The First Annual Equality of Citizenship Awards! [12-27-19]

In our last episode of 2019, Jason and Adam hold their "equality of citizenship" awards show to recap the good and bad of democracy reform in 2019. Who or what made things more equal this year? What made it less equal? What are we watching for in 2020? You'll have to listen to find out!

Dec 27, 2019
Recent Developments in Democracy Reform [12-20-19]

On the first part of a two-part year-end extravaganza, Jason and Adam discuss democracy-related results from the November elections, Equal Citizens' participation in the MOFA awards, and they give a little bit of credit—just a little bit—to the debate moderators from November's debate.

Dec 20, 2019
Paul Rodriguez and Rocky Chavez on Why California Republicans Need a Popular Vote for President [12-12-19]

Comedian Paul Rodriguez and politician Rocky Chavez join Equal Citizens' Jason Harrow for a discussion about why they support a popular vote for President as California Republicans—and why they joined Equal Citizens' lawsuit trying to abolish winner-take-all for just that reason. They also discuss why they are in the minority as Latino Republicans, how the need to raise money makes it hard for politicians to respond to constituents' needs, and more.

Dec 12, 2019
Hungering for Democracy: A Conversation with Frances Moore Lappé [12-5-19]

This week, Diet for a Small Planet author Frances Moore Lappé joins Adam Eichen to discuss her reasons for joining the democracy reform movement, her theories on democracy, and why she feels hopeful in the current political moment. Lappé is the author or co-author of 19 books about world hunger, democracy, and the environment, and she is the principal of the Small Planet Institute.

Dec 05, 2019
Kyle Bailey on Bringing Ranked Choice Voting to Maine [11-21-19]

This week, Adam Eichen talks with political strategist Kyle Bailey about the incredible fight to bring ranked-choice voting (RCV) to Maine. They discuss how to get voters to respond to the bipartisan message that we must improve our democracy, and how to win a fight that incumbent politicians of both parties are resistant to.

Nov 21, 2019
John Pudner on Taking Back Our Republic [11-14-19]

Larry Lessig speaks to John Pudner of Take Back Our Republic about the bipartisan need for democracy reform. Pudner is a Republican political strategist who talks about how democracy reform is consistent with conservative principles, the need to reduce politicians' reliance on lobbyists, the rise of "SCAMPacs," and more.

Nov 14, 2019
John Delaney's Nuanced View Of Our Broken Congress [11-7-19]

Larry Lessig talks with Democratic presidential candidate John Delaney about his nuanced view of why Congress is so broken and so badly polarized. They talk about money in politics, campaign finance reform, the need of Congresspeople to constantly be raising money, the impact of gerrymandering, and other innovative ideas to improve our democracy. They also discuss the issue of whether—and why—it's important to make fixing our democracy a high priority.

Nov 07, 2019
Recapping Republican Candidate Bill Weld's Pledge to Fix Democracy First [11-01-19]

On a bonus episode, Jason and Adam recap a recent Equal Citizens event where Republican Presidential candidate endorsed major ideas of democracy reform and even pledged to fix democracy first. Jason and Adam discuss what this means for the movement and the 2020 presidential race. You can livestream the whole Weld event on Facebook at or on YouTube at

Nov 01, 2019
Can Youth Lead The Democracy Movement? [10-31-19]

This week, Joan Mandle, Executive Director of Democracy Matters, joins Adam Eichen to discuss the role that students play in the Democracy Movement and how to get more of them involved moving forward. If you know a student who would like to be trained as a democracy organizer, visit

Oct 31, 2019
Deep Dive on Public Financing and Gerrymandering with Sam Berge [10-24-19]

Jason Harrow is joined this week by Sam Berger to talk about key topics on the democracy reform agenda. Sam is the Vice President of Democracy and Government Reform at Center for American Progress, a leading left-leaning think tank. The two go deep into the weeks of public financing of campaigns, gerrymandering, and HR 1 2.0—that is, the next version of this critical bill. You can now be a Patron of the podcast! Go to to find out more. We appreciate any support you can give.

Oct 24, 2019
Jason and Adam Talk Democracy In The Debates [10-23-19]

In a bonus episode, Jason and Adam of Equal Citizens discuss how democracy issues came up in the last Democratic debate, and then they deliver a knowledge drop about Ohio voter rolls. And they announce that you can now become a Patron of Another Way by going to Join now!

Oct 23, 2019
Gov. Steve Bullock on Getting Big Money Out of Politics [10-17-19]

Larry Lessig talks with Montana Governor and presidential candidate Steve Bullock about fighting corruption as a red state governor, including Bullock's problems with Citizens United, his efforts to overturn it or get around it, and his plans to increase disclosure and transparency in political funding. They also discuss Bullock's novel plan to end constant campaigning and give politicians space to govern.

Oct 17, 2019
Day One Campaign Finance Reform & Senator Michael Bennet on Unclogging A Corrupt Congress [10-10-19]

Larry Lessig begins the episode with a plea to focus on campaign finance reform. Then, Larry talks to U.S. Senator and presidential candidate Michael Bennet on how to create enduring democracy reforms that can unclog what he calls a "paralyzed Congress."

Oct 10, 2019
Katie Fahey On How The People Can Beat Gerrymandering [10-03-19]

This week, Katie Fahey of The People, a Michigan-based advocacy group, talks with Larry Lessig about how she wrote a Facebook post asking if anyone else wanted to take on gerrymandering in Michigan…and then found herself leading a successful movement that passed a ballot measure to actually end gerrymandering in Michigan.

Oct 03, 2019
How a Rabbi in Pennsylvania Is Fixing Democracy [09-26-19]

This week, Adam Eichen speaks with Rabbi Michael Pollack, co-founder of the Pennsylvania-based pro-democracy organization March on Harrisburg. The two discuss the role spiritual leaders can play in the fight for reform, March on Harrisburg's history and tactics, and how the group's work could be replicated across the nation.

Sep 26, 2019
The Author of HR 1 on Saving Our Democracy [09-19-19]

On this week's special episode, Larry Lessig talks with Representative John Sarbanes. Sarbanes is the lead author of HR 1, which passed the House in March and, if passed by the Senate and signed by the President, would fundamentally alter the way politicians raise money and would improve our democracy in ways big and small. Sarbanes discusses the origin of HR 1, why he thinks that the way most politicians raise money is so harmful, and why the bill is so urgently needed.

Sep 19, 2019
Tulsi Gabbard On All Things Democracy [09-12-19]

This week, we are proud to bring you a recording of a live conversation between Larry Lessig and Democratic Presidential Candidate Tulsi Gabbard. The two sat down in front of a live audience in New Hampshire on September 6 and talked about the state of our democracy, ranked choice voting (RCV), the electoral college, money in politics, and much more. This event was part of Equal Citizens’ democracy town hall series, which is made possible with the support of The Leadership Now Project.

Sep 12, 2019
The Growing Democracy Reform Movement, with Josh Douglas [09-05-19]

In this episode, Adam Eichen speaks with University of Kentucky Law Professor Joshua Douglas about the growing movement for democracy reform, the policies that are working in states and locales across the country, and his new book, Vote for US: How to Take Back Our Elections and Change the Future of Voting.

Sep 05, 2019
The Role of Presidential Electors [08-29-19]

Jason and Adam of Equal Citizens talk about last week's big decision in which a federal appellate court said that presidential electors are constitutionally free to vote for whatever they candidate they choose. They discuss the legal reasoning, the practical impact, what comes next, and how it might help the democracy reform movement. Note: Jason's audio isn't great for the first 10 minutes, but it greatly improves after that. Bear with us!

Aug 29, 2019
Paul Begala on the Politics of Democracy Reform [08-22-19]

Larry Lessig talks with political consultant and CNN contributor Paul Begala about why democracy reform is necessary to make progress on so many important issues, and how to make fundamental reform issues relevant to the real lives of everyday voters.

Aug 22, 2019
Billie Sutton on Saving Democracy From South Dakota [08-15-19]

Larry Lessig talks to South Dakota 2018 gubernatorial candidate Billie Sutton about his history in bronc riding and his political career fighting corruption and running a grassroots, small-dollar campaign in South Dakota. (Note: We apologize to listeners and to Billie about the poor quality audio on this call. We are working to improve audio quality for future episodes.)

Aug 15, 2019
Democratic Debate Recap with Dave Daley [08-08-19]

Equal Citizens’ director Jason Harrow and campaigns manager Adam Eichen are joined by with Salon founder Dave Daley to discuss why debate moderators continue to ignore questions about voting rights, gerrymandering, campaign finance, and other democracy reform topics. Then, Jason and Adam break down the candidates’ statements that nonetheless addressed these topics.

Aug 08, 2019
Where The Candidates Stand: An Introduction To The POTUS1 Project [08-01-19]

With Larry Lessig on vacation, Adam Eichen, Naomi Truax, and Danny Holt, all of Equal Citizens, discuss the POTUS1 project. This project tracks presidential candidates’ views on democracy reform issues like gerrymandering, voter registration, the electoral college, and campaign finance reform. The trio take the candidates in order from candidates who are actively anti-democracy (President Trump) to the candidates who have the very best platforms on these issues. You can review all the candidates’ positions on these issues at

Aug 01, 2019
Evan McMullin on Rebuilding Our Democracy [07-25-19]

Evan McMullin came to national prominence when he ran for president in 2016 as an independent, anti-Trump conservative. Since the 2016 election, he has been a strong and principled independent voice on many issues. This week, he speaks to Larry Lessig about how to find common ground to rebuild and improve our democracy, which he believes is “under threat” right now. He says he is excited about the possibility of forming a cross-partisan coalition for gerrymandering reform, ranked-choice voting, and more.

Jul 25, 2019
Ari Berman on The Contentious Right To Vote [07-18-19]

Voting rights have always been contentious in America, and our era is no different. Larry Lessig digs deeply into the past and present of voting in America with Ari Berman, a senior reporter at Mother Jones and the author of Give Us the Ballot: The Modern Struggle for Voting Rights in America.

Jul 18, 2019
Marianne Williamson on How Radical Democracy Really Should Be [07-11-19]

Democratic presidential candidate Marianne Williamson candidate joins Larry Lessig this week to talk about why she’s running and how she would restore our democracy by making every voice equal and reducing the influence of big money and big corporations.

Jul 11, 2019
Dave Daley on Gerrymandering [07-04-19]

Dave Daley joins Larry Lessig this week to talk about the past, present, and future of gerrymandering. They discuss the nefarious mechanisms and effects of drawing district lines for maximal partisan advantage. Dave is a senior fellow at FairVote and former editor of and is also the author of Ratf**ked: Why Your Vote Doesn’t Count.

Jul 04, 2019
Beto O’Rourke on Fixing Our Democracy First [06-26-19]

Just in time for the first Democratic debates, Larry Lessig talks with Beto O’Rourke about the candidate’s plans to fix our democracy. O’Rourke explains his plans to expand voting rights and get 15 million more people to vote and to reduce the influence of special interests. He also expresses support for learning more about ranked-choice voting (RCV). Importantly, O’Rourke also reveals that democracy reform will be the first thing he does in office.

Jun 26, 2019
Professor Ned Foley on the Electoral College [06-20-19]

Larry Lessig is joined this episode by Professor Ned Foley of Ohio State’s Moritz College of Law. Larry and Professor Foley talk about the somewhat unknown history of the electoral college and whether the Framers’ expectations have been fulfilled or thwarted today.

Jun 20, 2019
Interview with Senator Kirsten Gillibrand [06-13-19]

This week on Another Way, Larry Lessig is joined by Democratic Senator and Presidential candidate Kirsten Gillibrand. Larry and Senator Gillibrand discuss her plan to reduce corruption by giving every voter democracy dollars in each federal election. They also discuss the importance of fundamental reform, and Senator Gillibrand commits to making this a key part of her platform. They begin with a few details of her life and career.

Jun 13, 2019
Introducing Another Way

How will we make fundamental democracy reform a key part of election 2020? Join us each week to find out.

Jun 07, 2019