Get Out of Wrap - Contact Centre Chat

By Martin Teasdale

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There are 6,000 contact centres in the UK - this is the 1st podcast dedicated to the world of the contact centre. Perhaps still an industry with a negative perception externally, the reality is very different & very positive. This is a podcast all about best practice in Contact Centres &what vibrant, vital, diverse, exciting engagement places they really are. I’ll be chatting to people who know their stuff and are doing great things. This podcast is independent and a proud supporter of Action Aid UK .

Episode Date
#269 – Why Outbound Is Dead: Susan Terry (Alvaria) on the Rise of Proactive Customer Outreach Podcast Description
Aug 14, 2026
#268 - What if leadership didn't need a leader - Danny Wareham
Aug 07, 2026
#267- James Revell - Why great teams don't grown on trees.
Jul 24, 2026
#266 - A closer look at what contact centres may look like in 2035
Jun 26, 2026
#265 - Has contact centre technology actually improved? With Danny Wardell
Jun 19, 2026
#264 - Prioritisation, Decision Systems & Improvement with The Forum
Jun 17, 2026
#263 - Danny Wardell of Alvaria CX
Jun 12, 2026
#262 - Teams, Trust, and BOSS Culture
May 15, 2026
#261 - Don't kick the hive with Jamie Corbett
May 08, 2026
#260 - Where is the AI bandwagon heading ? With Lee Houghton
May 01, 2026
#259 - R.E.N the AI coach in the room - fixing burnout before it's too late. With Maria McCann & Kathryn Simons-Porter
Apr 24, 2026
#258 Introducing a new contact centre podcast - 'ASA - Average Speed of Answer' by Barry Cooper
Apr 03, 2026
#257 - Lisa Dolan - Happy employees = Better business
Mar 27, 2026
#256 - Is Voice dying ? the data says not. ft. Steve Morrell of Contact Babel
Mar 20, 2026
#255 - Boost are in & Team Leaders are centre stage !
Feb 26, 2026
#254 - National Coach of the Year - Lee Houghton
Feb 20, 2026
#253 - What do agents think about working in the Contact Centre Industry ?
Feb 18, 2026
#252 - GOOW TV with Kathryn Simons-Porter - Building Strategy for Human-Centred CX
Feb 06, 2026
#251 - Shameem Smillie - From the Army to Amazon: Leadership, Representation, and the Power of Doing the Work
Jan 30, 2026
#250 - Action Aid, Women’s Rights & Real Change
Jan 23, 2026
#249 - Friends, Flags & Faith with Sham Aziz
Jan 09, 2026
#248 - CX Today interview by Rob Wilkinson
Dec 26, 2025
#247 - The Get Out of Wrap TV Christmas Special
Dec 19, 2025
#246 - Cally Heads of Betr Outsourcing
Dec 12, 2025
#245 - Ed Creasey of Calabrio on Voice of the Agent Research 2025
Nov 28, 2025
#244 – Chatting to the Agents at SSCL Sopra Steria
Nov 14, 2025
#243 - Dan Schlenzig - Head of CX Sales at Cisco
Nov 07, 2025
#242 - Sam Sanford - Writer & Performer of 'I Love my Job*'
Oct 31, 2025
#241 - Lewis Parkin of Alvaria
Oct 24, 2025
#240 - Garry Beattie, Head of Sales at Betr Outsourcing
Oct 17, 2025
#239 - Danny Wareham - author of Constellations
Oct 15, 2025
#238 - Olly Hobson - a young business owner making a mark !
Oct 10, 2025
#237 – Phil Jude of Alvaria on Proactive Customer Contact
Oct 03, 2025
#236 - Get Out of Wrap TV - 23rd September
Sep 24, 2025
#235 - the legend that is Chris Rainsforth is back
Sep 19, 2025
#234 - Digital First CX: Lessons from Nextiva’s Global Growth Journey with David Paulding of Nextiva
Sep 12, 2025
#233 - Get Out of Wrap TV - ep.105
Sep 03, 2025
#232 - Get Out of Wrap TV - Episode 104
Aug 27, 2025
#231 - Kevin McGachy of Sabio on Agentic AI
Aug 22, 2025
#230 The 102nd episode of GOOW TV
Aug 01, 2025
#229 Inside The Team Leader Community™ - Building a movement for contact centre Team Leaders
Jul 18, 2025
#228 - Hannah Russell of Roar B2B on the Contact Centre Expo & The Next CX Summit
Jun 27, 2025
#227 - Steve Powell & The New Era of Outbound: Why Proactive Customer Contact Is the Future of CX
Jun 13, 2025
#226 - The 100th episode of GOOW TV
Jun 03, 2025
#225 - The People Puzzle with Lee Houghton
May 09, 2025
#224 - GOOW TV - Is Customer Service Dead ?
Apr 22, 2025
#223 Dan Luik of Currys introduced by Steve Powell of Alvaria
Apr 11, 2025
#222 - James Connors of Quetzel
Mar 28, 2025
#221 - Get Out of Wrap TV - What areas of our contact centres will undergo the most change in the next five years?
Mar 21, 2025
#220 - Iryna Velychko & Bogdan Koshevoy on life in Ukrainian Contact Centres
Mar 14, 2025
#219 Clare Muscutt of Women in CX
Mar 07, 2025
#218 - Rich Knox of Betr Outsourcing
Feb 28, 2025
#217 - Get Out of Wrap TV - why are customer satisfaction scores still low ?
Feb 18, 2025
#216 - Get Out of Wrap TV - show 92
Feb 14, 2025
#215 - Chris Rainsforth of The Forum back by public demand
Feb 07, 2025
#214 Florian Garnier of Calabrio flying high with WFM
Jan 31, 2025
#213 - The first Get Out of Wrap TV of 2025
Jan 17, 2025
#212 - Marco Jetmir Ndrecaj of SSCL
Jan 10, 2025
#211 Goodbye 2024 - Hello 2025
Dec 31, 2024
#210 - Dan Cohen of Nespresso and a leap into the unknown
Dec 13, 2024
#209 Steve Morrell of Contact Babel - what should we be focusing on?
Dec 06, 2024
#208 Ed Creasey of Calabrio on our joint research piece - The Voice of the Agent
Nov 21, 2024
#207 Clayton Trotsky & The Future Leaders Club
Nov 15, 2024
#206 - Kerry Sudale on the Candidate Experience in Recruitment
Nov 01, 2024
#205 - Nerys Corfield - the Tech space explained
Oct 30, 2024
#204 - Get out of Wrap TV ft. Garry Gormley
Oct 25, 2024
#203 - Supporting Team Leaders & Agents
Oct 18, 2024
#202 - Sarah Hunt of DDC Os - lndustry Legend
Oct 11, 2024
#201 - Ian Chappell of Centrical on Team Leader performance and support
Sep 24, 2024
Get Out of Wrap TV - Sept 17th - 80th Show
Sep 17, 2024
#200 - The 200th episode of Get Out of Wrap
Sep 13, 2024
#199 Helen & Pete of BPA Quality on Consumer Duty one year on.
Sep 06, 2024
The Break Room - a Linkedin Live Audio event
Sep 04, 2024
GOOW TV Panel - Performance Management
Aug 13, 2024
The Break Room - a Linkedin Audio Event
Aug 05, 2024
#198 - Nadine Edmondson of Evaluagent on maximising QA & NPS
Aug 02, 2024
#197 GOOW TV - Are agents being asked to come back in to Contact Centres
Jul 24, 2024
#196 - GOOW TV ft. Rob Wilkinson on NPS & an announcement
Jul 17, 2024
#195 - The ECCCSA's with new Chair of the Judges - Moira Clark and Director of Operations - Jackie Pringle
Jul 12, 2024
#194 - GOOW TV on Training & Agent In-Call Knowledge
Jul 09, 2024
#193 Jordan Powell on the transition from Agent to Team Leader
Jul 08, 2024
#192 - GOOW TV - 25th June
Jun 28, 2024
#191 GOOW TV ft. Morris Pentel
Jun 12, 2024
#190 Sandra Thompson on Emotional Intelligence - Part 2
May 31, 2024
#189 Sandra Thompson on Emotional Intelligence pt.1
May 03, 2024
#188 - A Team Leader Day at SSCL
Apr 19, 2024
#187 Chara-Lea Pidduck shares her inspiring story
Apr 09, 2024
#186 - David Holmes author of Leading the Line comes on to chat about the book
Mar 15, 2024
#185 Katie Davies of DDC OS chats about her passion for The North & DDC Discusses
Mar 01, 2024
#184 - Andy Roberts - CEO at Sabio
Feb 23, 2024
#183 Chris Mounce of Evaluagent on the launch of a new service & all things quality
Feb 16, 2024
#182 - Steven Miller - multiple award winning WFM & Planning Manager
Feb 09, 2024
#181 Sir John Kirwan - All Blacks Rugby legend & his mental health mission
Feb 02, 2024
#180 - The UK National Contact Centre Awards with Jackie Pringle
Jan 31, 2024
#179 Jo Bonser of DDC OS on leadership
Jan 26, 2024
#178 Pete Lees & Barry Cooper chat about radical candour
Dec 15, 2023
#177 The ECCCSA's 2023 - a celebration of the Contact Centre & Customer Service Industry across Europe
Dec 08, 2023
#176 - Helen Beaumont Manahan of BPA Quality on Vulnerability
Nov 17, 2023
#175 - Chatting to Team Leaders & Trainers at DDC Outsourcing Solutions
Nov 15, 2023
#174 - Your guide to Day 1 of the Call & Contact Centre Expo
Oct 20, 2023
#173 Julie Mordue & Sarah Hunt of Greenbean
Oct 06, 2023
#172 Nigel Winship chats about a WellBeing Companion for Agents & Team Leaders
Sep 15, 2023
#171 Elle Neal of BPA Quality on AI & being a reluctant award winner
Sep 08, 2023
#170 Suzanne Dawson Hull of SSCL
Aug 25, 2023
#169 Jade Rogers of DDC OS
Aug 18, 2023
#168 Ben Booth of Max Contact
Aug 16, 2023
#166 Ray Biggs finally comes on GOOW
Jul 21, 2023
#165 Daisy Lee Crouch of Dojo
Jul 12, 2023
#164 A trip to Ascensos
Jul 07, 2023
#163 Jen Sharp of DHL
Jun 30, 2023
#162 - Consumer duty comes into force on the 31st of July – is your organisation ready? Helen & Pete from BPA Quality can help you.
Jun 16, 2023
#161 Stephen Yap of the CCMA shares the results of the Voice of the Contact Centre Consumer research sponsored by Odigo
Jun 02, 2023
#160 Joe Beal - when academia & customer services meet - DDC Discusses
May 26, 2023
#159 Team Leader Tips from the Novuna Team and more tales of my career
May 19, 2023
#158 Paul Whymark - COO of Sensee
Apr 14, 2023
#156 Jaime Scott of Evaluagent
Apr 07, 2023
#155 Tim Farrell of Direct Line - Chatbots - Digital Engagement & Customer Experience
Mar 31, 2023
#154 - Craig Watts of Red Recruitment
Mar 24, 2023
#153 Jake Gardiner chats about how best to use technology in your contact centre
Mar 22, 2023
#152 - The beginning
Mar 03, 2023
#151 - A UK Contact Centre Award Winners special
Feb 23, 2023
#150 - Three great Team Leaders from DDC OS
Feb 22, 2023
#149 The UK Contact Centre Awards with Jackie Pringle & Rachel Newcomb
Feb 10, 2023
#148 Phil & Chris of The Forum on data, targets and performance
Feb 03, 2023
#147 Danny Wareham on Culture & Bee's
Feb 01, 2023
#146 - Chris & Phil from The Forum on Resource Planning best practice
Jan 27, 2023
#145 Elli Barron & Russell Wilson of Sensee
Jan 25, 2023
#144 Dr.Phoebe Asquith of Sabio on wellbeing in Contact Centres
Jan 20, 2023
#143 Erica Farmer of Quantum Rise chats about how her recent experience of delivering a TedX talk
Jan 13, 2023
#142 - Barry Cooper of Moneycorp talks coaching & leadership
Jan 06, 2023
#141 - The Expo Panel is back to discuss the Future for Contact Centres
Dec 23, 2022
#140 - Clayton Drotsky of the Growth Crew talks Leadership
Dec 21, 2022
#139 - Get out of Wrap - the next chapter
Dec 16, 2022
#138 Andy Watts of Odigo
Dec 09, 2022
#137 Eugene Neale of loveholidays
Nov 30, 2022
#136 Jeanette Hunter of Jabra
Nov 18, 2022
#135 Francesca, Kelly & Josh of Cactus Search chat about how volume recruitment has changed post covid & what that means in an industry facing a talent shortage.
Nov 11, 2022
#134 Peter Krykant & an inspirational story !
Nov 09, 2022
#133 Phil Anderson of The Forum
Nov 04, 2022
#132 Chatting with Steve Mosser - Founder & Group CEO of Sensee
Oct 28, 2022
#131 Luke Dobson of CloudCCaaS
Sep 30, 2022
#130 Phil Jordan - Head of Contact Channel Automation & Self Service @ Homeserve chats conversational AI
Sep 23, 2022
#129 Richard Gregory of Odigo chats vulnerable customers, employees and technology
Sep 16, 2022
#128 - Garry Gormley discusses the state of our industry.
Aug 26, 2022
#127 Sarah Thompson - Rockstar Analyst at Skipton Building Society
Aug 19, 2022
#126 Guy, Matt and Leigh from Cactus Search come on and chat BPO's & James Bond
Aug 12, 2022
#125 Laura Scott - COO of Dialect
Aug 10, 2022
#124 Beverley Hughes - Contact Centre Expert
Aug 05, 2022
#123 Anand Janefalkar - Founder & CEO of UJET
Aug 03, 2022
#122 David Holmes - Director of Operations at Cigna is back for part 2
Jul 27, 2022
#121 Dan Cohen - Head of Customer Relationship Centre at Nespresso.
Jul 15, 2022
#120 Stephen Yap - Research Director @ the CCMA discusses Voice of the Contact Centre Consumer supported by Odigo
Jul 08, 2022
#119 A Cactus Search special with Guy & Francesca
Jul 01, 2022
#118 Martin Anderson of Lemon
Jun 24, 2022
#117 Chris Rainsforth of The Forum chats about development, learning and much more.
Jun 22, 2022
#116 Tim Pickard - CMO at Sabio
Jun 10, 2022
#114 Jillian Manner - Research Fellow & PhD Candidate talks about her research - Workplace health in Contact Centres.
May 27, 2022
#113 Alexandra Fus - CX Professional - Learning Enthusiast & Operations Manager at Valoris
May 25, 2022
#112 Tina Squire - Digital Channels & Operations Director at Interact CC
May 20, 2022
#111 Maxine Allard - Senior Account Director at Odigo
May 13, 2022
#110 Naomi & Martin talk about Mental Fitness
May 11, 2022
#109 Andy Cook on Customer Communities, CX, Digital, Social and Judging.
May 06, 2022
#108 Lucie Child - Strategy Lead Customer Care at The Very Group
Apr 29, 2022
#107 Colleen McCann of HGS
Apr 22, 2022
#106 Klaus Failenschmid - Head of UX at Sabio chats bots, language and conversation
Apr 13, 2022
#105 The Ukraine Special
Apr 12, 2022
#104 Ukraine special - talking to four people from Ukraine about the work of their contact centres.
Apr 12, 2022
#103 Matt Smallman - Author of Unlock Your Call Centre
Mar 30, 2022
#102 David Holmes - Operations Director - Cigna
Mar 25, 2022
#101 Omar Paul - Delivery Director at Makepositive
Mar 23, 2022
The 100th episode
Mar 19, 2022
#99 Erica Farmer comes back for part 2 - follow your dream.
Mar 04, 2022
#98 Iryna Velychko - of the Ukrainian Contact Center Association joins from Kyiv, Ukraine
Mar 01, 2022
#97 Marianne Withers - CEO of The Verity Centre
Feb 25, 2022
#96 Stu Dorman makes his hat-trick appearance & talks about Voice and how attempts to kill it are short sighted.
Feb 23, 2022
#95 Erica Farmer of Quantum Rise Talent Group chats about digital learning
Feb 18, 2022
#94 Lynsay McEwen - Head of Hosted Platforms at Sabio talks about Women in Tech
Feb 11, 2022
#93 John Devlin of Ascensos talks BPO Outsourcing market & why we need to sell our industry better
Feb 09, 2022
#92 James Hughes - Group Head of Solutions at Sabio talks Agent Mental Health & Wellbeing
Feb 02, 2022
#91 Chris de Souza of CGI on building great teams and thoughts on the future.
Jan 28, 2022
#90 Jonathan Gale CEO of Sabio kicks off a series looking behind the scenes at Sabio
Jan 21, 2022
#89 Angella Hill-Wilson - role model, activist, industry subject matter expert & all round amazing human
Jan 14, 2022
#88 David Harrison - Director of Customer @ Atlanta Group
Dec 18, 2021
#87 Sandrea Morgan
Dec 03, 2021
#86 Helping Team Leaders be better emotionally intelligent leaders with Chris Rainsforth
Dec 01, 2021
#85 Lee Houghton - Change & Connecting the dots
Nov 27, 2021
#84 Justin Haines - COO at DOJO
Nov 19, 2021
#83 How are you preparing for 2022
Nov 05, 2021
#82 Dino Forte - CEO & Founder of Ventrica
Oct 23, 2021
#81 Mindset with Martin & Chris
Oct 20, 2021
#80 Brucine Francis on Recruitment & Diversity & Inclusion
Oct 15, 2021
#79 Nik McEwan is back for a record breaking 5th appearance.
Oct 01, 2021
#78 James Revell shares his views & knowledge on our industry
Sep 24, 2021
#77 GOOW Michael Sherwood - Head of Digital Experience at ATOM Bank
Sep 17, 2021
GOOW Huddle 1009
Sep 10, 2021
#76 Martin Pemberton - Professional footballer for a decade talks football and Just 1 to 11
Aug 20, 2021
#75 Andrew MacAskill - Linkedin Job Search expert & Linkedin Changemaker
Aug 13, 2021
#74 Alice Henderson of John Lewis
Aug 05, 2021
#73 David Preece of QStory talks planning, intraday automation & much more
Jul 30, 2021
#72 Garry Gormley chats about customer & colleague loyalty in Contact Centres
Jul 23, 2021
#71 Jimmy Hosang CEO of The Modular Analytics Company
Jul 16, 2021
#70 Mark Turner & The Race to the Stones
Jul 09, 2021
#69 Rob Wilkinson
Jul 02, 2021
#68 Incentives and Games with Chris
Jun 25, 2021
#67 Nik McEwan on for number 4 - love our chats
Jun 11, 2021
#66 Pete Dunn shares tips on Scorecards
Jun 09, 2021
#65 Daniel M Steven & all things wellbeing
Jun 04, 2021
#64 GOOW - Mark Conway founder of CCP
May 28, 2021
#63 Tips for Team Leaders with me & Chris
May 26, 2021
#62 Sarah Hunt of the CCMA
May 21, 2021
#61 Pete Dunn talks mental health
May 14, 2021
#60 Stuart Dorman from Sabio talks AI
May 12, 2021
#59 Mia two years on.....
May 07, 2021
#58 A further chat with Chris Rainsforth from Verint
Apr 30, 2021
#57 Lee Houghton - 3 Life Lessons
Apr 16, 2021
#56 Stuart Dorman - Chief Innovation Officer @ Sabio
Apr 13, 2021
#55 Yvette Renda & Helen Manahan of BPA Quality talk Training & Coaching
Apr 08, 2021
#54 Hat trick appearance of Nik McEwan - Founder of Winning Bid Ltd - Linkedin phenomenon & future president of Nicaragua
Mar 30, 2021
#53 Franck Saint-Etienne Global WFM Process Lead @ Uber
Mar 26, 2021
#52 CVP Charmaine Vallance-Poole - Head of UK & International Customer Experience at Holland & Barrett
Mar 19, 2021
#51 Practical steps on how men can make women feel safe in public.
Mar 12, 2021
#50th episode! I mark this milestone by speaking to Lucy Gray of Naomi House - Jacks Place - Childrens Hospice
Mar 10, 2021
#49 Trevor Butterworth - CEO of The UK Contact Centre Forum talks Mental Health
Feb 22, 2021
#48 Rula Samara of Hitachi Capital (UK) - Winner of the Contact Centre Manager of the Year award
Feb 19, 2021
#47 Training in Contact Centres with Sophia Jakeman & Helen Manahan
Feb 12, 2021
#46 Jackie Pringle - Director of Awards - CCMA
Feb 05, 2021
#45 Chris Rainsforth & I carry on chatting emotions, contact centres, lockdown, the future & racehorses
Feb 01, 2021
#44 Stephen Yap - Research Director for the CCMA
Jan 08, 2021
#43 Ben Page - Chief Executive of Ipsos - Mori
Dec 18, 2020
#42 Chris Rainsforth & I go full Joe Rogan and chat for ages
Dec 11, 2020
#41 Katy Forsyth - Co-Founder & Director of Red Recruitment
Dec 08, 2020
#40 Judith Yates - HR Director
Dec 04, 2020
#39 Nathan Simmonds talks Coaching, Mindset and Leadership
Nov 27, 2020
#38 Martin Hill-Wilson on Emotive CX and a range of other topics.
Nov 20, 2020
#37 A weekly update and an announcement about Get out of Wrap
Nov 13, 2020
#36 Nik McEwan - Charity Expedition Leader, Bid Writer, Outdoor adventurer, Linkedin personality is back
Nov 06, 2020
#35 Leigh Hopwood CEO of the CCMA chats about the future of the CCMA, awards, sharing best practice and the contact centre industry.
Oct 28, 2020
#34 Helen Manahan's hat trick appearance
Oct 09, 2020
#33 Nicola Callan talks about Coaching & People Development in Contact Centres.
Aug 07, 2020
#32 Marianne Rutz talks about her own career & life & shares her tips on the values of people first leadership
Jul 17, 2020
#31 Trevor Butterworth founder & CEO of the UK Contact Centre Forum shares their recent Homeworking survey results.
Jul 10, 2020
#30 Sham Aziz - Head of CS for Selfridges is back !
Jul 03, 2020
#29 Chatting with Jerry Lyons - Director at Omnes Healthcare
Jun 26, 2020
#28 Chatting to Janine Lee who shares great career advice
Jun 19, 2020
#27 Just some rambling
Jun 11, 2020
#26 Pete Dunn talks about contact selection for your QA activity
Jun 05, 2020
#25 Chatting with Donna Elliott & Cheryl Lee of ‘Now is your time’.
May 29, 2020
#24 Chatting with Phil Kitchen of The Contact Centre Panel
May 26, 2020
#23 Chatting with John Devlin the co-founder & CEO of Ascensos
May 15, 2020
#22 Chatting with Dino Forte - CEO of Ventrica
May 08, 2020
#21 The team behind the ECCCSA’s talk about the awards process and the night itself.
Dec 05, 2019
#20 Catherine Lindsay - Head of Customer Experience at Hitachi Capital ( UK )
Nov 15, 2019
#19 Faye Herring talks Resource planning including covering questions from listeners.
Oct 25, 2019
#18 Mark Healey talks training, his journey from agent to training SME, change and much much more.
Oct 18, 2019
#17 Helen Beaumont Manahan & understanding cultural nuance in QA.
Oct 11, 2019
#16 James Revell - General Manager at Air France - KLM
Sep 20, 2019
#15 Sham Aziz - Head of Customer Services at Selfridges
Sep 06, 2019
#14 Helen Ginman chats about wellbeing & mental health in Contact Centres.
Aug 23, 2019
#13 Guest host Rachel Goddard takes the reins of GOOW & turns the tables.
Aug 16, 2019
#12 Nerys Corfield talks about delivering exceptional CX through Operations & IT working together.
Aug 09, 2019
#11 Ed Wells of Sologic talks about organisational problem solving & root cause analysis.
Aug 02, 2019
#10 Paul Moore of LV talks Training Best Practice
Jul 19, 2019
#9 Ed Marks National Quality Manager of the AA talks about the balance between CX & regulation.
Jul 05, 2019
#8 Matt Bourke of Sensée talks about Homeworking
Jun 21, 2019
#7 Ann-Marie CEO of the CCMA chats about 25yrs of the CCMA & the UK and ECCCSA awards.
Jun 13, 2019
#6 Helen Beaumont Manahan shares best practice on calibrations
May 31, 2019
#5 Jo Garland of John Lewis talks leadership, coaching, feedback, & winning a European award.
May 24, 2019
#4 Chatting with always interesting, often controversial Nik McEwan
May 21, 2019
#3 Chris Rainsforth shares his journey & thoughts on the industry he loves.
May 16, 2019
#2 Chatting Quality, career paths & biscuits with Rachel Goddard
May 10, 2019
#1 An Introduction to Get Out of Wrap & a reluctant first guest.
May 05, 2019