EQUALS: Reimagining Our Economy

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A podcast about inequality. We reimagine our economy one conversation at a time with activists, thinkers and politicians across the world. Brought to you by Liz, Max, Nabil and Nadia.

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COST OF LIVING STORIES ACROSS THE GLOBE – from Lumbadzi, London and Cape Town
31:26

We speak to three people reckoning with today’s massive cost of living crisis – with stories from Malawi, the United Kingdom and South Africa. Max speaks with Nellie Kumambala, a secondary school teacher in Lumbadzi, Malawi, and Walter, a security guard in London, United Kingdom. Nabil speaks with Wafaa Abdurahman, the National Coordinator, Fight Inequality Alliance South Africa.


Different countries, same story. People are suffering. They’re ready to act. What are their solutions?


Make sure you share the podcast on social media and leave a review! We’re at @EQUALShope on Twitter.


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Women picking fruits: Photo by Brett Sayles



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Sep 24, 2022
INFLATION: THE UNTOLD STORY – with Lindsay Owens and Irit Tamir
32:21

EQUALS is back! We're asking: What has *really* been happening in the board rooms of multinational companies? And what's that got to do with today's cost-of-living crisis being felt across the globe?


This new season on EQUALS we’ll focus on the crisis, bringing stories and solutions from across the globe.


Nabil and Nadia speak with Dr. Lindsay Owens and Irit Tamir. Lindsay is the Executive Director at the Groundwork Collaborative, formerly Economic Policy Advisor to Senator Elizabeth Warren and taught domestic poverty and inequality at Georgetown University. Irit is Oxfam America's Director of Private Sector Department. She is focused on working with companies to ensure that their business practices result in positive social and environmental impacts for vulnerable communities throughout the world.


Make sure you share the podcast on social media and leave a review! We’re at @EQUALShope on Twitter. 


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Sep 03, 2022
“FOR HEAVEN’S SAKE, GET PREPARED!” – With Helen Clark, Former PM of New Zealand
32:55

Nadia and Nabil welcome former New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark on the EQUALS podcast for a special episode.


The IMF, World Bank and the G20 all are meeting this week. The world is facing multiple crises that are converging from the COVID-19 pandemic to the Ukraine crisis, to soaring food and fuel prices.


Two years into the pandemic, we ask PM Clark what governments should have done to respond to the pandemic; what still needs to happen; and how to prevent future crises. And could we have ended the pandemic if we had more women leaders today?


Helen Clark is a member of Club de Madrid, the world’s largest forum of democratic former Presidents and Prime Ministers, and a Commissioner to its ground-breaking Global Commission on Democracy and Emergencies. She was also appointed by the WHO to co-Chair the Independent Panel for Pandemic Preparedness and Response.


Please share the podcast and leave a review! We’re @EQUALShope on Twitter. For more on the PVA, check out @peoplesvaccine



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Apr 20, 2022
IT’S A WRAP ON SEASON 4!
11:19

It’s a wrap on Season 4 of EQUALS! Liz, Max, Nabil and Nadia reflect on the season, and on 2 years since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic.


We talk race, inequality, political power, access to justice, and we discuss campaigning for a People’s Vaccine.


14 episodes in, which ones stand out for us and why?


Make sure you share the podcast on social media and leave a review! We’re at @EQUALShope on Twitter. For more information about the people’s vaccine movement check out @peoplesvaccine.


If you’re joining us on EQUALS for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with the award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from Martin Luther King Jr to fight inequality, to rebel feminist economist Jayati Ghosh, best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what communism has to do with today’s pandemic. 



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Mar 21, 2022
WILL CHILE'S NEW 36-YEAR-OLD PRESIDENT BURY NEOLIBERALISM? - with Noam Titelman (and Ana Arendar)
34:05

In a few days, a 36-year-old former student leader who wants to fight inequality will become the President of Chile. He says, “If Chile was the cradle of neoliberalism, it will also be its grave”.


We find out about what President-elect Gabriel Boric wants to do, and about the movement of young people whose protests have swung the pendulum of power in Chile.


We take a trip to 1973 to the birth of neoliberalism – the economic ideology that would go on to spread across the world – under military dictatorship.


And we ask if this is part of a wider progressive wave across Latin America.


Co-hosts Nadia and Nabil are joined by two amazing guests for this fascinating conversation.


Noam Titelman played a vital part in the Chilean youth movement as an activist, was the spokesperson of national university students' confederation (CONFECH), and was a founding member of the Broad Front (Frente Amplio) Chilean political coalition established by former student activists. Currently he's a PhD researcher in the London School of Economics and Political Science.


We also speak to Ana Caistor Arendar who is campaigns lead at Progressive International, which unites, organizes, and mobilizes progressive forces around the world. She was formerly a journalist in Latin America before going on to become an expert, activist and advocate on inequality on the continent and worldwide.


Make sure you share the podcast on social media and leave a review! We’re at @EQUALShope on Twitter. For more information about the people’s vaccine movement check out @peoplesvaccine.


If you’re joining us on EQUALS for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with the award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from Martin Luther King Jr to fight inequality, to rebel feminist economist Jayati Ghosh, best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what communism has to do with today’s pandemic. 



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Mar 04, 2022
FORMER UK PM GORDON BROWN ON THE EXTRAORDINARY COVID RESPONSE WE NEED
32:10

Max and Nabil welcome former UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown on the Oxfam EQUALS podcast for an incisive interview.


The pandemic is far from over. Vaccine inequality rages on. We ask Gordon what he would do if he was leading the G20 today – and how to rally the world’s leaders to act, as he did in response to the global financial crash.


Gordon Brown is the World Health Organization’s Ambassador for Global Health Financing, and a member of Club de Madrid forum – the world’s largest forum of democratic former Presidents and Prime Ministers.


Make sure you share the podcast on social media and leave a review! We’re at @EQUALShope on Twitter. For more information about the people’s vaccine movement check out @peoplesvaccine.


If you’re joining us on EQUALS for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with the award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from Martin Luther King Jr to fight inequality, to rebel feminist economist Jayati Ghosh, best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what communism has to do with today’s pandemic.


Photo Credit: Christian Aid/www.alexbakerphotography.com



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Feb 11, 2022
“AN INCREDIBLE EXPLOSION OF INEQUALITY” – with Renowned Economist, Branko Milanovic
21:31

We are witnessing a COVID-19 driven explosion in inequality. This week, Oxfam released its annual report, Inequality Kills, showing that the pandemic is killing at least 1 person every 4 seconds, while the ten richest men have doubled their fortunes during this same pandemic. This is the biggest single increase in billionaire wealth in recorded history. Max and Nadia talk to Branko Milanovic, world-renowned authority on inequality, to find out why.


Branko is a Senior Scholar at City University of New York’s Stone Center on Socio-economic Inequality and Centennial Professor at London School of Economics' International Inequalities Institute (III). He was the Lead Economist in the World Bank’s Research Department for almost 20 years, before leaving to write his book on global income inequality, Worlds Apart (2005). He has since authored three more award-winning books – The Haves and the Have-nots (2011), Global Inequality (2016) and Capitalism, Alone  (2019).


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If you’re joining us on EQUALS for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with the award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from Martin Luther King Jr to fight inequality, to best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, Zambian music artist PilAto on the power of music, thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, climate activist Hindou Ibrahim on nature, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic.



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Jan 21, 2022
IS SANTA CLAUS A CAPITALIST ICON? – A lively Holiday Special with Asad Rehman
20:32

Alas! Santa Claus is coming to town!! And we’re having a Christmas debate on a hot button topic that is dividing people. Is Santa a socialist or a merciless capitalist?


Liz and Nadia talk to Asad Rehman, the Executive Director of War on Want. He’s a lifelong campaigner against racialised capitalism, economic, climate and social injustice – and he’s got some beef with Santa! This is one for the books. With lots of laughter and music.


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If you’re joining us on EQUALS for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with the award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from Martin Luther King Jr to fight inequality, to best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, Zambian music artist PilAto on the power of music, thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, climate activist Hindou Ibrahim on nature, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic.



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Dec 17, 2021
WILL THE PANDEMIC CHANGE HEALTHCARE FOREVER? – With Rob Yates of Chatham House and Rebecca Riddell of New York University
38:16

We finally talk healthcare on EQUALS. Could the pandemic trigger the creation of universal healthcare systems around the world? What can we learn from Thailand and Costa Rica? What is privatization doing to healthcare in Kenya? And who is undermining healthcare for all?


Liz, Nabil and Max chat to Rob Yates (Director, Global Health Program, Chatham House) and Rebecca Riddell (Co-Director, Human Rights and Privatization Project, NYU Law School Center for Human Rights and Global Justice).


The NYU CHRGJ, in collaboration with a leading Kenyan human rights organization, Hakijamii recently launched a report on Kenya’s healthcare system. The report finds “that the government-backed expansion of the private healthcare sector in Kenya is leading to exclusion and setting back the country’s goal of universal health coverage”.


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If you’re joining us on EQUALS for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with the award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from Martin Luther King Jr to fight inequality, to best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, Zambian music artist PilAto on the power of music, thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, climate activist Hindou Ibrahim on nature, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic.



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Dec 10, 2021
POST-COP26: WHAT’S NEXT? CLIMATE JUSTICE V CLIMATE COLONIALISM – With Asad Rehman and Nafkote Dabi
26:23

Here’s your post-COP26 deep dive. What do the outcomes mean for us all? Why were developing countries insisting on reparations? What’s the fuss about billionaire emissions?


We welcome two amazing guests from the climate justice movement who were influencing the Glasgow climate talks.


Asad Rehman is the Executive Director of War on Want, a lifelong campaigner against racial and economic injustice, and has been at the forefront of the climate justice movement helping to reframe climate as an issue of racialised capitalism, economic and social injustice. Nafkote Dabi, from Ethiopia, is Oxfam’s global climate change policy lead, and has taken on climate change across the African continent.


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If you’re joining us on EQUALS for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with the award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from Martin Luther King Jr to fight inequality, to best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, Zambian music artist PilAto on the power of music, thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, climate activist Hindou Ibrahim on nature, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic.



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Nov 19, 2021
BUSES AND THE INEQUALITY CRISIS – With Bassam Khawaja and Matteo Rizzo
31:31

We need to talk about buses. Yes, buses. And inequality. The issue that nobody’s talking about.


Since the 80s, transport across the world has been privatized – fueling an inequality crisis that undermines our human rights.


Liz, Max and Nabil chat to Bassam Khawaja (Co-Director, Human Rights and Privatization Project, NYU Law School Center for Human Rights and Global Justice) and Matteo Rizzo (Senior Lecturer in Development Studies - SOAS University of London) who know lots about buses.

We ask: What do buses have to do with inequality in countries from the UK to Tanzania? What did privatization do? What is this new Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) system springing up in developing countries all about? What are the solutions?


Bassam and his co-authors recently made headlines about the privatization of large parts of UK’s transport system, writing a report on its failures. It shows that, despite the government promising that a privatized system would lead to “lower fares, new services, and more passengers”, while removing “any potential future liability on the taxpayer”, that has not been the case.


Matteo, who lived in Dar es Salaam for 6 years has researched new bus systems. His recent publications cover work and employment; BRT’s exclusionary nature and neoliberalism and precarious labour in relation to public transport in developing countries.


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If you’re joining us on EQUALS for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with the award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from Martin Luther King Jr to fight inequality, to best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, Zambian music artist PilAto on the power of music, thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, climate activist Hindou Ibrahim on nature, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic.



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Oct 13, 2021
IS GREEN GROWTH A CONVENIENT LIE? – With Jason Hickel, Economic Anthropologist
29:48

How fighting inequality and beating climate change means we must end our addiction to economic growth and fast.


We’re asking: How are inequality, climate breakdown and growth linked? Why is green growth an impossibility? If rich nations must stop growing, what does this mean for developing countries?


Nadia and Max have an amazing conversation with Dr. Jason Hickel – economic anthropologist, activist, academic and author of ‘Less is Moreand The Divide . Jason is a leading thinker on both inequality and climate, and a passionate advocate of degrowth; the idea that the pursuit of economic growth by rich nations is destroying the planet and needs to stop, and that pursuit of equality is vital to saving our planet. 


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If you’re joining us on EQUALS for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with the award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from Martin Luther King Jr to fight inequality, to best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, Zambian music artist PilAto on the power of music, thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, climate activist Hindou Ibrahim on nature, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic.



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Aug 20, 2021
CAN FOREIGN AID BE DECOLONIZED? – With Power Shifter Degan Ali
29:30

Foreign aid has helped save millions of lives. But the whole system is facing a huge reckoning.


As the New York Times’ Editorial Board wrote recently, “A growing group of intellectuals, aid workers and civic leaders from Africa say the “white savior” mentality of the world’s foreign aid system can end up doing more harm than good.


We’re asking: Does aid work? Is aid really so colonial that it needs to end? How must the whole system change? And is it time to move to talk about reparations?


Nadia and Nabil have a truly fascinating conversation with Degan Ali – a trailblazer in the movement to decolonize development aid and rethink humanitarianism, and the Executive Director of Adeso, a Nairobi-based organization that works in Somalia and Kenya. Her website is www.deganali.com.


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If you’re joining us on EQUALS for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with the award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from Martin Luther King Jr to fight inequality, to best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, Zambian music artist PilAto on the power of music, thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, climate activist Hindou Ibrahim on nature, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic.



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Aug 10, 2021
ECONOMIC HUNGER GAMES IN AFRICA –With Pan-African feminist Crystal Simeoni
32:15

What doesn’t mainstream economics “get” about Africa? What is the future of the state itself in Africa? And how much should we really be focusing on corruption within Africa?

 

Max and Nabil have a riveting conversation with Pan-African feminist Crystal Simeoni – who is Director at Nawi: Afrifem Macroeconomics Collective (which is well worth checking out here!). Previously, she was head of the economic justice department at FEMNET, one of the largest African women's rights networks. She is an Atlantic Fellow for Social and Economic Justice at the London School of Economics.

 

This is the second of a two-part special deep dive into African economics. The last episode, with Zambian economist Grieve Chelwa, took us back recalling history and how it’s shaped economics in Africa today. This episode looks forward.

 

Please do listen and share the episode on your social media platforms.

 

If you’re joining us on EQUALS for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from MLK Jr on how to fight inequality, to best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, and from Turkish author Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, and climate activist Hindou Ibrahim on nature, to IMF Chief Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic, and Zambian music artist PilAto on the power of music.



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Jul 27, 2021
WHEN NEOLIBERALISM TOOK ON AFRICA’S ECONOMIC IMAGINATION – With Zambian economist Grieve Chelwa
32:00

Former Zambian President Kenneth Kaunda (“KK”) – who led his country in the wake of independence from colonial rule – recently died. A pan-African giant, he pursued efforts to boldly pursue equality at home and fight for liberation across the African continent.

 

Max Lawson and Nabil Ahmed have an amazing chat with Dr. Grieve Chelwa on what President Kaunda really set out to do with the state taking a far more active role. What can we learn from “Kaundanomics” for today? And what was the impact of the defining “structural adjustment” period on Africa’s economics?

 

This is the first of a two-part special diving deep into African economics. This episode takes us back. The next episode looks forward.

 

Dr. Grieve Chelwa – who is the Inaugural Postdoctoral Fellow at The Institute on Race and Political Economy at The New School where he leads the Institute's work on Inclusive Economic Rights.  He was formerly Senior Lecturer (Assistant Professor) in Economics at the University of Cape Town's Graduate School of Business and before that was the Inaugural Postdoctoral Fellow at the Center for African Studies at Harvard University. Before taking up a career in academia, Dr. Chelwa was a banker with Citi and completed postings in Congo (DR), Kenya, Nigeria and South Africa.

 

If you’re joining us on EQUALS for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with the award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from Martin Luther King Jr to fight inequality, to best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, Zambian music artist PilAto on the power of music, thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, climate activist Hindou Ibrahim on nature, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic.



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Jul 09, 2021
TAX THE RICH! SAY THE RICH – Meet Patriotic Millionaires Morris Pearl and Erica Payne
30:27

How does it feel to have more money than you could ever spend? What is it that makes someone who is a millionaire fight for higher taxes on the rich? How does playing a rigged game of monopoly reveal how rich people’s minds work? What chance that President Joe Biden can reverse the relentless lowering of taxes on the richest people?


Nadia and Max are joined by Erica Payne and Morris Pearl – founders of the Patriotic Millionaires, a group of wealthy individuals leading the charge to raise taxes on the rich, fight for a livable wage, and combat political and income inequality. Morris Pearl, a former managing director of BlackRock, is chair of the Patriotic Millionaires. Erica Payne is founder and president of the Patriotic Millionaires, an American public policy commentator, author and progressive strategist. They have co-authored a book out now called: “Tax the Rich!: How Lies, Loopholes, and Lobbyists Make the Rich Even Richer Paperback”.


Find out more about the Patriotic Millionaires at https://twitter.com/PatrioticMills.


This is the second episode of season 4 of the EQUALS podcast. And if you’re joining us for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with the award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from Martin Luther King Jr to fight inequality, to best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, Zambian music artist PilAto on the power of music, thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, climate activist Hindou Ibrahim on nature, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic.


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Jun 04, 2021
IS RACISM SHAPING THE GLOBAL VACCINE RESPONSE? – With Priti Krishtel, Tahir Amin and Asia Russell
32:52

We’re asking: is racism silently shaping the global vaccine response? And what could President Biden’s recent huge decision to take on vaccine monopolies mean for people around the world? We also do a special round of “big pharma bingo”, examining the key arguments that pharmaceutical corporations have been making that is stifling the mass production of Covid-19 vaccines.

 

Max and Nabil are joined by three giants from the access to medicines and public health movement: Priti Krishtel and Tahir Amin (the Co-Executive Directors of IMAK, which challenges systemic injustice and advocates for health equity in drug development and access), and Asia Russell (the CEO of HealthGAP, which is dedicated to ensuring that all people living with HIV have access to life-saving medicines).

 

Come to learn, to find inspiration, and to get the inside track on the vaccine issue.

 

More information about the people’s vaccine is at www.peoplesvaccine.org

 

This is the first episode of the EQUALS podcast, season four. And if you’re joining us for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with the award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from Martin Luther King Jr to fight inequality, to best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, Zambian music artist PilAto on the power of music, thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, climate activist Hindou Ibrahim on nature, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic.



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May 18, 2021
MUSIC AS POLITICAL POWER - With PilAto, Zambian Music Artist Sensation
30:20

[This episode contains great music!]


His beautiful music reaches millions. He’s topped the charts in the African continent. He’s winning change. He’s even been arrested for his music. He is PilAto – real name Fumba Chama – the Zambian music artist and activist sensation. On this truly inspiring episode of the EQUALS podcast Max and Nabil speak to PilAto about his backstory, what’s behind his music, and the power of music to change the world.

 

You can listen to more of PilAto’s music on www.iampilato.com

 

And if you’re on Apple Podcasts, please do leave a review for the EQUALS podcast! And share with your friends and family. Our amazing new blogsite is at www.equalshope.org

 

This is the final episode of the EQUALS podcast this season – and if you’re joining us for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with the award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from Martin Luther King Jr to fight inequality, to best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, to thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, climate activist Hindou Ibrahim on nature, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic. And more!



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Feb 12, 2021
WHY WE NEED TO DREAM – Award-Winning Author Gary Younge on MLK, Inequality and Race
28:47

A remarkable conversation with a great thinker and giant of journalism who has covered the great stories of our time. We ask what can be learnt from MLK about the fight against inequality? What holds back change and what is the role of journalism? How can America heal under Biden? We talk about the place of idealism in politics and how we can bring together struggles – and win.

 

Nadia and Nabil speak to the brilliant award-winning journalist, prolific author and now professor of sociology Gary Younge, for a special episode of the EQUALS podcast timed with the Davos Meeting of the World Economic Forum. Gary was formerly editor-at-large for The Guardian, the author of five books including “Another Day in the Death of America”, and as a journalist covered major historical moments around the world.

 

Don’t miss this one.

 

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And check out our amazing new blogsite: www.equalshope.org

 

This is the latest episode of the EQUALS podcast this season – and if you’re joining us for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, to thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, climate activist Hindou Ibrahim on nature, Darrick Hamilton on racism in the economy, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic.



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Jan 27, 2021
SO WHEN DO I GET A VACCINE? – Vaccines Experts on What It’ll Take To Get A People’s Vaccine To The World
30:57

A vaccine. Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Moderna. You know the names by now. A vaccine is the light at the end of this painful pandemic. It’s been amazing to see some people in some countries starting to get a vaccine. But just 1 in 10 people in poor countries stand to get one this year. On this EQUALS podcast special we speak to brilliant vaccines experts to answer: when will most of the world get a vaccine? What needs to be done?

 

We speak to vaccine and health experts – Dr. Mohga Kamal Yanni, Anna Marriott and Niko Lusiani – who break down what is going on and show what must be done to deliver a truly People’s Vaccine.

 

This is episode six of the EQUALS podcast this season – and if you’re joining us for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, to thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, Darrick Hamilton on racism in the economy, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic.

 

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Jan 12, 2021
2021: YEAR OF HOPE? – With Climate Leader Christiana Figueres (& Nafkote Dabi!)
29:14

2020 ends. 2021 begins. How can we make sure this will be a defining year in the fight against climate breakdown? What has COVID taught us? And is it possible to be optimistic?


We talk to Christiana Figueres – the global climate leader who led the 2015 Paris accord talks and author of “The Future We Choose” – about all of this. And we also get reflections from Oxfam’s Nafkote Dabi about what success really looks like in the wake of the rise of climate movements across the globe. All in under thirty minutes. An illuminating episode to finish 2020 – with hope and inspiration for what we must do in 2021.


This is episode 5 of the EQUALS podcast Season 3 – and if you’re joining us for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, to thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, Darrick Hamilton on racism in the economy, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic.


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Dec 24, 2020
SCHOOLS OUT FOR COVID! – Fighting The New Education Inequality Crisis, with Dr. Prachi Srivastava and Linda Oduor-Noah
30:49

COVID-19 has pushed over a billion kids out of school. What must we do right now to ensure this isn’t a “lost generation”? How does inequality affect access to education? And why do private schools present such a challenge to quality education in developing countries? To show us what needs to be done, we’re joined in this episode by the inimitable Dr. Prachi Srivastava – Associate Professor at the University of Western Ontario, whose fascinating research digs deep on inequality, and the global education crisis caused by COVID-19. We’re also thrilled to have with us Linda Oduor-Noah, a brilliant education activist based in Kenya, fighting the privatization of education and advancing the right to education for all. 


This is episode 4 of the EQUALS podcast Season 3 – and if you’re joining us for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, to thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, Darrick Hamilton on racism in the economy, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic.


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Dec 17, 2020
WILL A BIDEN ADMINISTRATION FIGHT INEQUALITY? – With Stephanie Kelton, “Rock Star” Economist
25:33
Just what does the election of US President-elect Joe Biden mean for the fight against inequality, in the US and around the world? How might billionaires be feeling? What’s it going to take to put the right policies into place? What can we learn from FDR? And just how can Modern Monetary Theory – “MMT” – help? We talk to the influential economist Professor Stephanie Kelton. She was formerly chief economist on the U.S. Senate Budget Committee and senior economic adviser to Bernie Sanders, and has been recognized by Prospect as one of the world’s top 50 thinkers this year. An illuminating and inspiring episode – do tune in!

This is episode 3 of the EQUALS podcast Season 3 – and if you’re joining us for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews  – from talking with best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, to thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, Darrick Hamilton on racism in the economy, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund on what comes after the pandemic.

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Nov 27, 2020
NATURE VS. GREED – Meet Leading Climate Figure Hindou Ibrahim (with Tim Gore!)
30:38

How can we reimagine our relationship with nature? Why do we need to bring down the emissions of the rich more than all? How can we bridge climate science with indigenous knowledge? A profound interview with leading climate figure Hindou Ibrahim, an indigenous leader and member of Mbororo people in Chad and President of the Association for Indigenous Women and Peoples of Chad (AFPAT). We’re also joined by Tim Gore, the climate guru behind Oxfam’s fascinating new research showing how bringing down the emissions of the richest is crucial to the fight against climate change.

 

This is episode 2 of the EQUALS podcast Season 3 – and if you’re joining us for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews  – from talking with Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, to world-leading rebel economist Devaki Jain on the care economy, to Darrick Hamilton on race and inequality, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) on what comes after the pandemic.

Do listen, subscribe, and share with your friends and family. And follow us on @equalshope on Twitter. 



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Oct 17, 2020
IMF CHIEF KRISTALINA GEORGIEVA – ON COMMUNISM, CARBON AND CORONAVIRUS
31:14
A truly illuminating conversation with one of the world’s most powerful people, Kristalina Georgieva, Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund (IMF). What does communism have to do with fighting today’s pandemic? How worried should we be about a spike in inequality after the crisis? And has the IMF learnt from its mistakes of the past? From decarbonizing economies to overcoming debt crises, this is one episode you don’t want to miss! 

This is the Season 3 opener of the EQUALS podcast – and if you’re joining us for the first time, tune in to our earlier seasons – from talking with Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, to world-leading feminist giant Devaki Jain, to Darrick Hamilton on fighting racism in the economy.

Do listen, subscribe and share it with your friends and family. And follow us on @EQUALShope on Twitter. 

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Sep 18, 2020
IT’S A WRAP ON SEASON-TWO! – Reflections, and if We Can Hope Post-COVID
14:29

Season Two of EQUALS comes to a close! Our 13-episode season started as the snow fell in Davos, talking to best-selling author Anand Giridharadas about whether we need billionaires. As the coronavirus hit our world, we spoke vaccines, race, fascism and more. We interviewed activists like the legendary Lidy Nacpil to doctors on the front-line in Nairobi, to the unstoppable former UN Special Rapporteur and human rights lawyer Philip Alston. 

Our hosts Nadia, Nabil and Max are joined by our producer Liz to discuss the highlights and lessons from the season. And we share some exciting news about Season 3 which will begin in September – kicking off with the head of the world’s most influential global economic institution - the International Monetary Fund - Kristalina Georgieva.

Do listen back to our amazing episodes this season – there’s something there for everyone! – and share with your friends and family. We’re on Twitter @EqualsHope



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Aug 07, 2020
IS IT POPULISM OR FASCISM? – With Ece Temelkuran
28:05
An illuminating and fun conversation with award-winning Turkish novelist and political commentator Ece Temelkuran about the slide into a more authoritarian world. What’s driving this? Has the pandemic made it worse? And what’s it got to do with inequality? Ece is the author of “How To Lose A Country”, winner of the Edinburgh International Book Festival First Book award for her novel Women Who Blow on Knots, and twice recognized as Turkey’s most-read political columnist.

This is the latest EQUALS podcast – and if you’re joining us for the first time, tune in to our other amazing episodes – from talking with Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires to feminist giant Devaki Jain on anti-colonial economics to legendary Filipino activist Lidy Nacpil.

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Jul 17, 2020
WHEN WE BROUGHT DOWN A DICTATOR - Meet Lidy Nacpil, legendary activist from Manila, Philippines
29:12

She played her part in bringing down a dictatorship. She’s fought inequality for over forty years. She’s on the front-line of the fight against climate change. She’s described as “one of the busiest organizers in the world”. We speak to Lidy Nacpil, a truly legendary activist fighting for justice to this day. We talk about taking down a dictatorship, her husband’s assassination, the importance of history, and what the coronavirus means for the fight against inequality. An episode full of inspiration and amazing lessons in fighting for a fairer world.

From the Philippines, Lidy is the Coordinator of the Asian People’s Movement on Debt and Development, Co-Coordinator of the Global Campaign to Demand Climate Justice, one of the Founders of the Fight Inequality Alliance among many other roles.  

Do have a listen! And do share the episode with your friends and family.

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Jun 28, 2020
RACISM, REBELLIONS AND THE ECONOMY – with Professor Darrick Hamilton
31:27
Racism. Today's protests. Rebellions. The economy. Inequality. Structural change. Hope. We speak to the brilliant Professor Darrick Hamilton about all of this. He’s an “intellectual giant” behind thinking on the racial wealth gap and inequality, who's bold policy ideas have been championed by a number of US political figures.

We speak to Professor Hamilton about what is happening in the United States right now, and the way in which coronavirus has disproportionately impacted black communities. This podcast episode is above all about solidarity with black communities in the United States, in the face of structural racism and violence. We discuss:

Is there something racist in the design of our current economic model?
How do race and class interact?
How was the progress of the new deal and the civil rights movement impeded?
How do we ensure our economy truly delivers racial and economic justice?
Is there any hope?

A fascinating, moving and truly unforgettable conversation that we're honored to have with Darrick Hamilton, who is professor of public policy, economics, sociology, and African American studies at Ohio State University and the executive director of the Kirwan Institute for the Study of Race and Ethnicity. 

This is the latest part of the EQUALS #InequalityVirus mini-series.  Do listen, subscribe and share it with your friends and family. And follow us on @equalshope on Twitter.

Hosted by Nabil Ahmed and Nadia Daar.

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Jun 05, 2020
WHY WE NEED A #PEOPLESVACCINE – With Achal Prabhala and Mohga Kamal-Yanni
31:13
A vaccine against COVID-19 is humanity’s best shot at ending this painful pandemic. But how can we ensure that a vaccine is available to all people, all countries, free of charge?

We talk about the need for a #PeoplesVaccine, what to do about the big pharma monopolies and vaccine nationalism that stand in the way and what we can learn from iconic struggles to fight for access to medicines like the victories by HIV/AIDS activists.

Nabil and Max speak to two amazing activist-advocates with a fascinating and powerful track record in the fight for access to medicines, Achal Prabhala (fellow at the Shuttleworth Foundation and coordinator of the accessibsa project) and Dr Mohga Kamal-Yanni.

This is the latest part of the EQUALS #InequalityVirus mini-series.  Do listen, subscribe and share it with your friends and family. And follow us on @equalshope on Twitter.

Hosted by Max Lawson and Nabil Ahmed.

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May 30, 2020
SPEAKING UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTHS - Meet Philip Alston, former UN Special Rapporteur and human rights lawyer
26:20
As the UN’s poverty and human rights expert Philip Alston famously spoke truth to governments about what he saw. We explore what kind of world we’re heading into in the wake of coronavirus, and what Philip learnt listening to communities in countries from the USA to Ghana to Chile to Malaysia (some fascinating stories here!).

EQUALS is all about bringing a range of experts to share their own unique and insight from their own experiences. Professor Philip Alston was appointed to be the UN Special Rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights, an independent expert role that he held from 2014 until April 2020.

We discuss the interplay between coronavirus and inequality, and if there is anything good that can possibly come out of this pandemic for a more equal world. We also dig deeper into the pressures of holding such a prominent UN role, and about the relationship between human rights and inequality.

This is the latest part of the EQUALS #InequalityVirus mini-series. 

Do listen, subscribe and share it with your friends and family. And follow us on @equalshope on Twitter.

Hosted by Nadia Daar and Nabil Ahmed.

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May 16, 2020
CORONAVIRUS IN ONE OF AFRICA'S BIGGEST CITIES - Two Perspectives From The Front-Line In Nairobi about the #InequalityVirus
30:05
A fascinating look into what coronavirus looks like from one of Africa’s biggest cities: Nairobi, Kenya. Max and Nabil speak to a doctor from a major hospital and a security guard who lives in one of Africa’s biggest slums about what they’re seeing – and what must be done.

This is the latest episode of the EQUALS #InequalityVirus mini-series. This one’s from the front-lines of coronavirus.

How does it feel to be a doctor right now in a major hospital in Africa? What could still be done to help healthcare workers on the frontline in the face of this crisis?

And how are communities in slums in Africa’s biggest cities experiencing this current crisis? What could alleviate some of the economic challenges people are facing right now? 

We discuss issues from debt cancelation to PPE to some exciting examples of what some countries are actually doing. Do listen, subscribe and share it with your friends and family.

Any suggestions for the next few episodes? Any stories to share about coronavirus from your country? Reach us at @EQUALSHope on Twitter - and on equals@oxfam.org !

Hosted by Nabil Ahmed and Max Lawson.



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Apr 17, 2020
THE INEQUALITY VIRUS – How Coronavirus Preys on The Vulnerable
20:03

Coronavirus threatens us all. With each day, more of us are being personally affected by coronavirus. Estimates now show that the virus could kill millions of people. Hundreds more millions of people could be pushed into poverty.

And it is clear how coronavirus is exposing and exploiting the extreme inequality that defines our world – and preying on the world’s most vulnerable people. 

EQUALS is a podcast about fighting inequality and building a fairer world. 

The virus is on everyone’s minds and in the next few episodes we want to give listeners perspectives that connect different issues and explore the relationship between coronavirus and inequality: from what it means for the world’s workers and what it means for women, to the powerful role of public health systems and the long-term impacts on our global economy. 

We bring you a mini-series all about coronavirus and inequality. 

The mini-series kicks off this week with Max, Nadia and Nabil – the co-hosts of the EQUALS podcast – taking a birds eye view of how the many different facets of inequality are playing out with this pandemic. 

Bringing you stories and statistics from our different perspectives, we talk home schooling to ventilators and the role of aid, and how coronavirus exploits the gap between rich and poor people, rich and poor nations and between women and men. 

We try to find some hope in what it could mean for the future of our world.

Do let us know your suggestions for the next few episodes, and do share us your stories on equals@oxfam.org.

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Mar 27, 2020
WHEN WORKERS WIN – Meet Sharan Burrow, Leader of the Global Trade Union Movement
29:43
She’s been described as “the union boss of union bosses’ union bosses”. 

She’s the “individual with the possibly the largest democratic mandate in the world”, representing over 200 million workers in 163 countries and territories.

And she’s winning change on the front-lines with workers around the world.

She’s Sharan Burrow, General Secretary of the International Trade Union Confederation (ITUC). 

Max and Nabil talk to Sharan about why trade unions and collective action is as important as anything in fighting for a fairer and more equal world.

We explore what is driving the “age of anger” we’re living through. How do we respond to the pushback against democracies? 

We explore unions themselves. What’s the future of trade unions in the robot era? We ask Sharan about some of the criticism that unions get – that they’re irrelevant, or that they hold back business. 

And we learn about some truly exciting wins taking place around the world – be it in Qatar (where the 2022 World Cup is being held) or with the technology giant Samsung – that Sharan with the ITUC together with workers and others around the world have led. 

An incredible source of hope. Just when we needed it. 

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Mar 13, 2020
TAX, SLAVERY AND BILLIONAIRES – Meet Rising Star Economist Gabriel Zucman
29:52

Meet Gabriel Zucman - the acclaimed activist economist who’s taking the world by storm on his plans to tax the rich, end tax dodging and fight inequality. He’s "changing how you think about wealth, whether you know it or not".  His proposals for a wealth tax on billionaires in the US have been taken on board by US Presidential candidates Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.

We talk to Gabriel about his ideas and his new book, ‘The Triumph of Injustice: How the rich dodge taxes and how they can be made to pay’, which he co-authored with Emmanuel Saez.

Gabriel shares how – fascinatingly – the anti-tax rhetoric of the American right wing has its roots in slavery and slave ownership. How the US used to have the most progressive tax system in the world, including a 93% top rate of income tax.  How industrial levels of tax dodging by corporates and individuals can be stopped. And why he is so hopeful that progressive change can happen and will happen to fight inequality.  

Do subscribe to the podcast, and do share with your friends and your family! Email us your ideas, suggestions and feedback to equals@oxfam.org 

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Feb 28, 2020
LOVE IN THE FIGHT AGAINST INEQUALITY – Meet Njoki and Soren
32:05

Valentine Special! We talk to activist couple Njoki Njehu and Soren Ambrose about how they met, balancing marriage & activism and what they have learned about fighting inequality over the last quarter of a century. The two met whilst campaigning in the late 90s during the huge protests against the World Bank and the IMF and have been involved in the fight against inequality ever since. 

Njoki is the pan-Africa coordinator of the Fight Inequality Alliance and leads the Daughters of Mumbi in Kenya who fight for women’s’ land rights. Growing up, together with her mother she worked closely with Wangari Maathai, the Nobel Prize winning environmentalist, helping her fight back against the oppression of the Kenyan government.  Together with Soren she was one of the leaders of the Fifty Years is Enough campaign to abolish the World Bank and the IMF

Soren is the Head of Policy at Action Aid. Together with Njoki, he was among the pioneers of the World Social Forum, held to challenge Davos. He was a key player in the 50 Years is Enough campaign. 

They give us a feel for the huge protests against the World Bank and the IMF in 1999-2001 and the hard work that went into building such a successful global coalition- bringing together church groups, unions, environmentalists and anarchists.  The reflect on the life of activists in Kenya under the oppressive regime of President Moi. They find hope in abundance in today’s activism but encourage todays millennial activists to work hard to learn from history too. 

As ever, do subscribe to the podcast, and do share with your friends and your family! Email us your ideas, suggestions and feedback to equals@oxfam.org

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Feb 14, 2020
THE RADICAL CASE FOR CARE – Meet world-leading rebel economist Jayati Ghosh
30:32
Max and Nabil interview the world-leading, award-winning, rebel Indian economist Jayati Ghosh. In this fast-paced and inspiring interview Jayati makes the radical case for care – and tells us what she really thinks about all those politicians around the world talking a good talk about gender equality.

Around the world women and girls put in billions of hours of unpaid care work each day – that’s the cooking, the cleaning, the caring for children, sick and the elderly. We ask Jayati: how is this at the heart of the global inequality crisis? Why’s it so hidden? And what can be done about it? 

We challenge Jayati on why she isn’t celebrating all the apparent economic progress the world has made in recent decades – especially for women in work around the world? 

And at a time of real worry about a jobs apocalypse on the horizon with automation and a new age of robots on the rise – what does Jayati, an expert on the future of work, think we can do for workers around the world? Why is she feeling so hopeful right now? 

Jayati Ghosh is one of the world's leading economists. She is Professor of Economics at Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi, Executive Secretary of International Development Economics Associates, and a member of the Independent Commission for the Reform of International Corporate Taxation.

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Jan 31, 2020
"WHAT DO WE DO WITH BILLIONAIRES?" - Meet Anand Giridharadas
31:42
A gripping conversation for our Season 2 opener with Anand Giridharadas, who says ‘I think the best thing to do with billionaires would be to not have them anymore’.

Anand, with his many interviews and his brilliant best-selling book, ‘Winners Take All: The Elite Charade of Changing the World’, has been described as ‘the scourge of plutocrats everywhere’.

In this fascinating conversation on the eve of the Davos World Economic Forum, Anand asks why we would ever think that the people responsible for today’s extreme inequality are capable of solving it. Why do we think it is possible to magically benefit those at the bottom whilst continuing to benefit those at the top? He shows how so many billionaires have captured the whole idea of change and revolution, using it instead to defend the status quo. 

Anand looks at the power of language, and how the left has failed to mount a defense against this onslaught from elites pretending to ‘change the world’. He believes that people are beginning to see through the elite charade – and finds hope in this. 

Presented by Nadia Daar and Nabil Ahmed.



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Jan 18, 2020
THE SEXIST ECONOMY - Meet Devaki Jain, A Mother of Feminist Economics
27:53

"Fighting inequality should be at the core of our new economic theory". Devaki Jain is one of the most famous southern feminist leaders.  She has been a world-renowned thinker on feminism and economics, who has for decades been an activist and economist fighting for economic justice and for equality. Devaki was one of the first feminists to identify the economic implications of the millions of hours of unpaid care work that women do.  She pioneered the voice of southern women in the global feminist movement.  

In the interview she looks back on her life and reflects with Winnie on the inseparability of the feminist struggle from the wider struggle for economic justice. She talks about how she was deeply inspired by Gandhi and the struggles for freedom around the world, including the role of women freedom fighters. She describes her role on the South Commission, led by the deeply influential and inspirational former Tanzanian President Julius Nyerere.  She also reflects on the failure of some current feminists to confront the links between feminism, and that gender equality can only be achieved through a wider economic struggle against inequality and our broken economic model.

Hosted by Nabil Ahmed and Nadia Daar.



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Nov 01, 2019
OGYENDEGYE, KWAHERI, GOODBYE WINNIE! - Season 1 Reflections
10:32

"When activists, thinkers, billionaires, and young people come together to fight inequality, there is reason for hope". In conversation with Nabil and Max, Winnie reflects on season one of Equals, and what her highlights have been.  She identifies the interview with Beth, activist from the slum of Dandora, as her favourite.  She talks about the brilliant ideas put on the table by Beth, and also by Rutger Bregman, historian and Joseph Stiglitz, and how only in America could multimillionaires like Abigail Disney come out saying that it is unpatriotic to avoid tax.  She says how inspired she has been by the interviews, singling out the interview with Congresswoman Ilhan Omar as particularly full of hope. 

Winnie also reflects on her time as leader of Oxfam, and what progress has been made in the fight against inequality, and what more needs to be done, and challenges us to keep up the fight. 



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Nov 01, 2019
“AMERICA'S FUTURE?” - Winnie meets Congresswoman Ilhan Omar
28:05
A candid and fascinating conversation between Winnie and "her sister" US Congresswoman Ilhan Omar.

"America does not suffer from scarcity, America suffers from greed" famously said Congresswoman Omar – who represents Minnesota’s 5th Congressional District in the U.S. House of Representatives. Congresswoman Omar and Winnie Byanyima both were born in, and fled East Africa. Both know firsthand the effects and horrors of war. Both lived as refugees. Both are black women. Feminists.

And both are vocal about fighting extreme inequality. Winnie has a very personal conversation with Rep. Omar about her journey, what fighting inequality means to her and her being part of so many struggles and identities. She discusses with Rep. Omar the exciting steps to truly build a world that is a little more just, and a little more equal.

Hosted by Nadia Daar and Nabil Ahmed.



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Oct 28, 2019
THE TAXES, TAXES, TAXES GUY – Rutger Bregman on the Power of Ideas
29:43
Do you know what happened on April 1, 1947, in the small village of Mont Pèlerin in Switzerland? Well you probably should, as it went on to shape the global economy as we know it today. Rutger Bregman – described as "one of the greatest young thinkers of our time" – tells the story. He is the Dutch historian and author who published the bestseller “Utopia for Realists”, and who memorably took on billionaires at Davos in 2019 together with Winnie. Together they discuss the power of big ideas to change the world – and what they really thought of their time at Davos.

Hosted by Max Lawson and Nabil Ahmed.

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Oct 24, 2019
“THEY SHOT ME!” – Meet Elena Mejía, Militant Activist from Peru
29:56
Elena Mejía is a “militant” activist – and a leading member of the ‘Left Youth Forum’ and of movements across Latin America – who is taking to the streets in Peru in innovative and exciting ways to fight inequality, for women’s rights and for protecting the environment. She talks to EQUALS about her experience as a young activist facing down injustice together with a range of people from trade union movements to LGBTQI+ activists, the real risks she faces on the job as an activist – and what her family really worries about!

Hosted by Nabil Ahmed and Max Lawson.

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Oct 23, 2019
YACHT? PRIVATE JET? NO THANKS! – Meet Disney Heiress, Abigail Disney
27:11
Patriotic Millionaire Abigail Disney has spoken out strongly against inequality.  She famously said that even Jesus does not deserve to earn 500 times that of the median worker.  She has said that President Trump's tax cuts for the richest 1% are a travesty and are fueling greater inequality in the US. In this interview with Winnie, Abigail speaks about what drives her to be a ‘traitor to my class’ and come together with other rich people in the United States as one of the Patriotic Millionaires. The Patriotic Millionaires are a brilliant campaign group that is calling for higher taxes on the rich, an end to the political influence of extreme wealth, and decent living wages for workers, all as a way to fight inequality. 

Patriotic Millionaires on Twitter: @PatrioticMills

Presented by Max Lawson and Nadia Daar. 

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Oct 12, 2019
WHEN GOVERNMENTS FIGHT INEQUALITY – Meet The President of Namibia
28:02
Please note, with apologies, that sound quality is poor.

Namibia is a country with a poisonous legacy of inequality as a colony of Germany and later of apartheid South Africa, that only received its independence in 1990.  Since then Namibia has been reducing inequality since 1993, with a series of practical policies like raising the minimum wage and introducing free primary and secondary education.  Namibia is one of a growing number of countries worldwide which are showing their commitment to reducing inequality, and putting other governments to shame. In this episode we hear an interview between Winnie and the President of Namibia, Hage Geingob, and we discuss the policies that Namibia and other countries like Ethiopia are putting in place to close the gap.

Presented by Nadia Daar and Max Lawson.

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Oct 10, 2019
WHEN WOMEN ORGANIZE - Meet Beth From Dandora, Nairobi, Fighting Inequality on the Frontlines
28:01
[TW: references to SA, r*pe, kidnap, police brutality]

Surviving kidnapping by criminals. Taking on police killings after her husband was murdered. Fighting sexual harassment at work. Beth Mukami – from the Dandora slum in Nairobi, Kenya – has seen it all. Today she’s a human rights defender, a feminist, activist and a “voice of the voiceless”. She and others started the Dandora Community Justice Centre which is on the front-line of the fight against inequality. Listen to Winnie talking to Beth about her story and her fight against inequality.

The Dandora Community Justice Centre on Twitter: @DandoraJustice

Presented by Nabil Ahmed and Max Lawson.

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Oct 06, 2019
WHY INEQUALITY IS BAD FOR YOU - Meet The Godfather of Inequality Thinking, Joseph Stiglitz
25:20
Few people have done more in recent history than Joseph Stiglitz to show the world the harms of inequality to all of us, and what must be done about it. He is a Nobel Laureate, a former chairman of the US president's Council of Economic Advisors, and an activist economist who has sold millions of books that have captivated people around the world. Winnie speaks to "Joe" about how we got into this inequality crisis, what it means for all of us - and where he finds hope!

Presented by Nabil Ahmed and Max Lawson. Interview by Winnie Byanyima.

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Sep 19, 2019
TAKING ON DICTATORS, TAKING ON BILLIONAIRES - Meet Winnie!
23:25
Welcome to EQUALS! Today we - Nabil and Max, your hosts - introduce what EQUALS is all about. We interview Winnie Byanyima, our Ugandan friend (ok, boss) who has been fighting injustice all her life about her own fight against inequality. And we pick up right from Davos when Winnie famously took on a billionaire about what dignity really means...

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Sep 18, 2019