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If you are a Landscape Entrepreneur this show is for you. Andy, a former contestant on the ABC hit television series Shark Tank, irrigation technology expert, and multimillion-dollar eCommerce entrepreneur brings his curiosity & creativity to tease out the secrets of successful landscape influencers and business owners. Discover how to get a leg up on the competition, be the smartest person at the design table, and advance your career in the irrigation and landscape industry at any level. All stones will be unturned as Andy digs into the nerdy details of business, technology, and personal growth here on the Sprinkler Nerd show. To join the community of Sprinkler Nerds transforming the Green Industry visit

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#121 - Revenue is Vanity, Profit is Sanity
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Casey Brown, Boost Pricing:
On today's show, Andy plays a recorded presentation on a very important topic, that according to the speaker, Casey Brown, typically gets the least amount of attention in most businesses, and that is..............PRICING!
That sounds Booooriiinng, right?
Fluck no. Just wait, Andy will give you the Cliff notes.
Audio Disclaimer
This audio was recorded on Andy's iPhone, in March, while attending the Ecommerce Fuel Live Conference in San Diego. The audio is okay, but it is not good or great, but it's okay enough to deliver the message and for you to pick a few gold nuggets that Casey is going to sprinkle....
Alright, here are the Cliff Notes, and a few takeaways for you to consider, and if you stop listening right now, just think about this list.
  1. When it comes to pricing, Are you in the Driver's Seat?
    • Or do your customers have all the power
    • Or do your competitors have all the power
  2. We get stuck on the hamster wheel of, sell/grow, sell/grow, sell/grow, and before you know it, your business is 50% bigger, with more headaches and stress, and you're not making any more money...
  3. How much volume would you lose with a 5% Price Increase?
    • What about a 2% price increase
    • What about a 1% price increase
  4. There is no greater impact on profitability than pricing
  5. Pricing is a pully for your business
    • A Tiny price change is a huge profit change.
    • If you have 15% Net Profit:
      • a 1% increase is a 7% increase in profit
      • a 2% price increase is a 13% increase in profit
      • a 5% price increase is a 33% increase in profit
Finally, Revenue is for Vanity - Profit is for Sanity
So without further ado - Here is Casey Brown, presenting on Pricing.
Jun 02, 2023
#120 - Using ChatGPT to Respond When You Are Triggered
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Alright, Sprinkler Nerds, Marketing Nerds, Tech Genius's, and every other entrepreneur joining me today. Welcome to the Sprinkler Nerd Show! This is episode #120 and I'm so glad to have you today
First, thank you for helping me grow this podcast. The benefit of growing the podcast is that I can help more people. I don't make any money with this podcast, the goal of the show is not me, it is you - and the more people who listen, like, and subscribe, and share, means that more people will discover the show and the more people we can help - so thank you.
Today's episode is 2 topics that I have blended together.
#1 - Is about the book The Catalyst by Jonah Burger. Now if you've read it, read it again. If you've read it twice, read it again until you can memorize the book and know every ounce of it and how it applies. Keep reading it. This is one of those books that belongs in your personal growth toolkit. And I will link to it in the show notes.
I want to give this book some credibility because the more I learn about Jonah Berger the more I find that he is one of the smartest marketing minds of our lifetime - and this is because he studies it scientifically from the human psychology side - NOT from the conversion and transaction side. And it is my belief that if you understand human behavior, that you can market to anyone, sell to anyone, and make an impact on anyone, and so for me, this book is an incredible read.
Actually, it is probably one of the best books that has led to my success with customer journeys and being able to do what I do because of how he teaches customer psychology, and how to actually create things that move that make an impact, and to become a catalyst for people to change.
I like the way that sounds, become a catalyst for people to change. Technology adoption is all about change, and your job is to be a catalyst for that change.
Today I'm only going to touch on the first section of the book, called, REACTANCE.
Because this week I received a YouTube comment that was a bit triggering a first. I reminded myself to take a breath, and not to respond until I had 100% clarity. And this reminded me of section 1 of the book, about Reactance. So I wanted to share that with you.
Before I read the YouTube comment and talk about how I used ChatGPT to help me craft a response, I wanted to share a bit about REACTANCE, what it means, and what you will learn in the book.
1- Reactance
    • When pushed, people push back. Just like a missile defense system protects against incoming projectiles, people have an innate anti-persuasion system.
    • So rather than telling people what to do, or trying to persuade, catalysts allow for agency and encourage people to convince themselves.
    • Do this by listening, asking questions, and showing empathy
Cool - now let's move on to how I used ChatGOT to help craft my response.
I typed this into ChatGPT:
You are a senior customer service representative at a sprinkler supply store. Your job is to write technical responses to comments on your company's youtube videos. I will be providing you with the latest youtube comments, with instructions for how to write the response. If you understand your job, please ask me to send you the YouTube comment.
Thank you for providing me with the context of my role. I'm ready to assist you with writing technical responses to the YouTube comments. Please go ahead and send me the first comment, along with any specific instructions or requirements for the response.
Here is the comment, please wait for me to give you instructions: You’ve lost your credibility with me because you don’t understand basic turf knowledge. The longer you let your grass grow the deeper the roots grow and the healthier the grass is. That’s all they’re saying and they’re absolutely right so in both cases where you made the negative comment they were right and you were wrong.
Thank you for providing the comment. Please provide me with the instructions for the response, so I can assist you in crafting an appropriate and helpful reply.
Please write a technical response the compares and contrasts the benefits of allowing turfgrass to grow longer (4" or above). Please find a technical document to site your references, preferably something written by Nick Christians, author of, The Fundamentals of Turfgrass Management. 
Thank you for sharing your perspective on turfgrass maintenance and expressing your concerns regarding my video. I appreciate your feedback and the opportunity to address your concerns and to better educate the YouTube community. The intent of this video was simply a fun poke at exaggerated corporate marketing efforts, which is now very common.
As an additional reference, I hold a degree in horticulture and have had the privilege of working with professional sports stadiums across the United States. Through my experience, I have witnessed firsthand the importance of maintaining a precise cutting height as one of the most important factors to turfgrass health (sports, commercial, residential, native, etc).
When it comes to the optimal cutting height for turfgrass, there are different factors to consider. While it is true that allowing turfgrass to grow longer (4" or above) may offer certain benefits, it's important to understand the overall impact on turf health. Based on a technical document by Nick Christians, an expert in turfgrass management and the author of a textbook that I read in college, "The Fundamentals of Turfgrass Management," I'd like to shed some light on the topic.
According to Christians (reference: Christians, N. E. (2016). The Fundamentals of Turfgrass Management, 5th Edition), longer cutting heights do have the advantage of reducing mowing frequency (you can most less often). This can be beneficial for those who prefer to spend less time on lawn maintenance - which is almost everyone ;). However, it is crucial to note that turf height alone does not directly correlate with healthier turfgrass.
In fact, maintaining a longer cutting height does not significantly contribute to the overall health of the grass, as other factors play a more significant role. The industry guideline is not to cut (remove) more that 1/3 of the above-ground tissue in a single mowing - removal of more than this can stop root growth from 6 days to more than 2 weeks depending on the amount of tissue removed. Additionally, if the mowing height is accidentally lowered to more than this, it can result in scalping. Factors such as proper irrigation, fertilization, pest management, and disease control have a more substantial impact on the long-term health and vitality of turfgrass. While longer grass may have deeper root growth, it does not necessarily translate to improved health unless accompanied by appropriate cultural practices.
I appreciate your engagement and the opportunity to clarify the notion that a taller cutting height leads to healthier turfgrass. Should you have any further questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to reach out. We are here for you and the community.
May 26, 2023
#119 - I Was Wrong? Don't Disrupt

William Gibson famously observed. The future is already here. It's just not evenly distributed.

If you are an irrigation professional, old or new, who designs, installs or maintains high end residential, commercial, or municipal properties, And you want to use technology to improve your business, to get a leg up on your competition, even if you're an old school irrigator from the days of hydraulic systems, this show is for you.

This is Andy. Welcome back to the Sprinkler Nerd Show. This is episode one 19 and it's gonna be a kind of brief episode, but I'm actually excited to share what I've been thinking about the last couple days because I think I may have been wrong about something. Well, Maybe not wrong. I, I just may have changed my mind on something again based on new information.

So if you've been listening to this podcast, you know that I love to question what I think I know and I love to hear. Maybe not other opinions, let's say. Well, sure you could say other opinions, but I love to look at different angles on things. And I want you to, if you haven't listened to episode 90, I want you to lip listen to episode 90 because it's about, My thoughts on becoming a pioneer and in episode 90 I talked about how I used to think that being a pioneer was the goal as an entrepreneur.

The goal of an entrepreneur is to pioneer new territory, right? Go out there and pioneer something. And I heard a quote from Howard Schultz, who's the former, well, he may still be the ceo, the founder of Starbucks. And I talked about how Howard said he would not choose to be a pioneer. He would rather disrupt something.

And I'm gonna play that quote for you. And my thoughts are back in episode 90. So take a listen to episode 90 and I will play the quote from Howard here in just a moment. But earlier this week I heard. A quote on the very same topic that totally contradict or countered what Howard Schultz was talking about.

And uh, this person, Jim McKelvey, who was the, he co-founded Square. Uh, which I'm sure you guys know about, it's the card, you know, the little card swiper that, uh, can attach to a smartphone. He co-founded Square with Jack Dorsey, I don't know, way back in like 2006, and he wrote this book called The Innovation Stack.

And if you are, Well, I, I'd say anybody would enjoy this book, but particularly if you are an entrepreneur and you were building a company, could be a service company, contracting company, could be software company. It could be product company. Really any company. This book, the innovation stack is phenomenal and.

Jim McKelvey count contradicts what Howard was talking about, and Jim says that you don't ever disrupt, you don't want to disrupt the market. And so what I wanted to do today was play both of these quotes and kind of share that. I think I might have been wrong, or I'm still not sure, or maybe it depends.

Maybe you could pioneer something, maybe you could disrupt something. Maybe there's another variable at play that makes both of these people right. So the first thing I want to do right now is play the quote from Howard Schultz on why you should not be a pioneer and instead be a disruptor. There's always this question about what's the best road to take?

Uh, should I disrupt the category? Or should I create a new one? I would say on balance. I generally don't want to be in the pioneering business. And by that I mean it's so hard to change consumer behavior. It takes a long time, a lot of resources. And unless you have the most compelling story, idea and form factor and platform, uh, and I think.

Are willing to run the long race of losing money, which is fine. Uh, I think the easier route is to disrupt a category that already exists. Uh, but there's an opportunity cuz the large companies feel as if they're entitled to it. And I love that opportunity. Where the entrepreneur can be disruptive, much more innovative than anyone else.

Excellent. I hope you liked that. I hope it made sense. It probably did make sense. Now I'm gonna play the quote from Jim, which I heard just a couple days ago from the book, the Innovation Stack. If you like to listen to your books, like you listen to a podcast, go on Audible, download this book. It's so good.

And the, the premise of the book, I'll just share it with you real quick, is that a company becomes, Let's say defensible and significant based on not one feature or one thing, but an entire stack of innovations that the company develops. And he uses great examples like Southwest Airlines that figured out how they could charge a rate at half the market.

But in order to do that, They had to turn the plane around in 10 minutes, right? And so sometimes when you want to do something, you gotta figure out how to do something else entirely. And that that stack, that compound of innovations is called an innovation stack. And that stack of innovations is what is becomes really valuable over time.

So when they started Square, there was just one innovation after another, after another, after another. That kept getting unlocked as they went to build the company, and that innovation stack is what allowed them to compete against Amazon. And Amazon rolled out a card reader shortly after they did that could certainly have put them outta business, but Amazon didn't realize all the pieces of the puzzle or all the pieces of the innovation stack that was going to be required in order to do what Square had already.

Done. So I wanna share with you this quote from Jim so that you can see how it compares to what Howard just said about he'd rather be a disruptor. And what Jim says is the opposite of that. So I think this is fascinating and I hope you enjoy this Next quote, is disruption bad? Not by itself, but disruption has also never been the focus of good entrepreneurs.

The entrepreneurs profiled in this book set out to build and not destroy. To focus on disruption is to look over one's shoulder into the past. But if you are trying to solve a perfect problem or expand a market, shouldn't you study that industry? No, you look at your customers, or I should say your potential customers for they do not even know your product or service is possible.

William Gibson famously observed The future is already here. It's just not evenly distributed. Unfair as this situation sounds, Gibson's words contain a hopeful promise while only a few of us enjoy the latest cool thing. Eventually, the future will deliver it to us all. Who will make that delivery?

Entrepreneurs distribute that future. The companies they build are not disruptors. They are market expanders for the people waiting for their slice of the future. If disruption occurs, it is merely a side effect. The focus of the entrepreneur is the people who cannot get a loan or travel or furnish their home or get paid.

The focus of the entrepreneur is on the horizon beyond the wall. If we glance at the system, it is neither to copy it nor to destroy it, but simply to see how much more can be done. Holy cow. Did you guys not just hear what I heard? I'm going to read this again probably in my own words in just a moment because I also took some notes.

But like I have, is it weird to say that I almost have like goosebumps or chills listening to that? It's much more compelling than, uh, than Howard's quote about being a disruptor. And I love how these, they don't really contradict each other and they might be coming from two different vantage points. So my sort of, my thought here today is not to say one is wrong or ru one is right, but to have you think.

And to sort of portray or relay this information that, that I came across because I think it's super powerful. And just listening to the final part of that quote gave me kind of chills, honestly. Like the, the final quote there says, it is, this is crazy. If we glance at the system, it is neither to copy nor destroy it, but simply to see how much more can be done.

Like that alone. Simply see how much more can be done. That's the goal. That's what entrepreneurs do. That's what you guys are probably doing in your own day, and if you're not, let's take a chance on it. See how much more could be. Done. And there's a, there's a middle part here that I really like also, and that is that, you know, essentially the entrepreneur's job is to distribute the future.

Okay? So they start out by saying, well, only a few of us enjoy the latest cool thing. Eventually the future will deliver it to us All. Question then becomes who will make the delivery? Entrepreneurs distribute that future. The companies they build are not disruptors. Let me read that again. The companies they build are not disruptors.

Take that. Howard Companies they build are not disruptors. They are market expanders for the people waiting for their slice of the future. I love that because it talks about the people, the customer. That's the most important thing, waiting for the customer, for the people waiting for their slice of the future.

If disruption occurs, and this is key, it is merely a side effect. Disrupting was not the goal, it was just the side effect. Because the focus of the entrepreneur is on the people, the people that want it, the customer, the focus of the entrepreneur is on the horizon beyond. The wall man, that just gives me shivers.

It's like, yeah, behind the wall. It's like as soon as you get somewhere, don't put a wall up. Let's go more. Let's go bigger. Let's figure this out. Let's see what could happen next beyond the wall. And that makes me think I should re-watch that kid's movie over the hedge. What? Hedge, what wall? It's why I can't stand the quote.

You know, think outside the box because a true entrepreneur doesn't see a box. There is no box. Somebody had to say there was a box for there to be a box, but what if there was no damn box? So that's it. That's all I had today guys. I just wanted you to kind of see that I am on a daily basis, I think about what I think I know and try to understand and learn more.

And back Last fall, episode number 90. I thought that disruption would be the better choice because I heard it from Howard s Schulz, and maybe he meant it through a different lens. I don't know. But now I think disruption is the byproduct. After, after listening to Jim. I think disruption is the byproduct and I think it's just at the end of the day fun to, fun to think all of these things and to see it and then to, you know, use that thought that you're maybe having right now and put it into perspective in our industry.

How do the major brands, the major companies, from products to services, to software to contractors, how do they think. Right. How are they growing their business? And if you are one of them starting up, how can you position yourself with great technology, great people, a great innovation stack focused on what the customer wants and uh, yeah.

That's what I have this week. Guys, thank you so much for listening. I appreciate all of you guys and uh, we'll catch you on the next episode. Happy sprinkling.

May 19, 2023
#118 - Keeping Dubai Green, with Fawzi Melhem, Radius

No intro yet, lol. I'm behind on my shit!


Andy talks with Fawzi Melhem, owner of Radius, about irrigation technology in Dubai and the Middle East.

May 12, 2023
#117 - SimpleSUB, What Are You Experimenting With?

This is Andy. Welcome, to episode #117 of the Sprinkling Nerd Show.

Today today you just get me and this is a little bit of an experiment. And I would like to frame this episode, around experimenting. So let's talk about that. I'm in my truck right now driving to my office. It is Friday, and I didn't have any, I had one interview queued up for this week, but then I had to postpone it so you get me again, and sometimes I've mentioned this before.

This is the hardest part of podcasting. It is relatively easy to speak with a guest, ask questions, be curious. It is completely different to talk into outer space alone, solo. It's actually much more difficult than you might think, and today I didn't have anything queued up because of that guest cancellation, so I figured I would just kind of do a little, almost like a.

Audio diary today. So I'm in my truck, I'm running an experiment and that's what we're gonna talk about, experimenting. I'm running an experiment right now because I have a brand new wireless laier microphone that I got on Amazon and I don't really remember why I got it. I just thought that my current lavalier mic, that's wireless just really.

It's kind of a pain in the ass, and it only had one mic. And this unit has two mics. It comes in a nice little carrying case, kind of like AirPods, and it's by a company called Holly Land. It's the Lark M one. So if this episode makes it live, it's because the audio quality that we are recording right now was sufficient enough to publish.

So this is going to be an experiment, uh, just to see if the audio quality is good enough in the truck. Because I've tried a few different microphones in the truck and I settled on actually a handheld microphone. The Audiotechnica ATR2100 is connected to USB to Lightning. Works pretty well, but it's a pain in the ass to have to hold a microphone, and there's a lot more background noise in a vehicle than you may believe.

Uh, it's actually not, it's not quiet, right? In a vehicle, there's a lot of background noise and it can muffle the voice. So hopefully if you're hearing this, it's then, then the quality of Thelarche one by Hollyland is sufficient. So that's my experiment right now here today, and I wanna encourage you guys to be experimenting.

And I want to ask you, what have you experimented on this week or maybe what have you experimented with in the last two weeks? And an experiment could be a new product, it could be a new way of doing something, could be a new way of trying to splice a valve a new way that you've never done it before. It could be pitching your proposal to a homeowner in a new way that you've never done before.

I'm, I'm a believer in trying new things, seeing how they work. Doing it again, making an adjustment. And that those little, those little changes over time compound. And after two years goes by, you can look at yourself and go, wow, I am, my business is completely different than it was two years ago. But it wasn't a shift, it wasn't an overnight shift, it was just little things.

Compounding over time can be transformational. So, This is my experiment here right now, and I want to tell you about a device that I experimented with this week. This is only day three of the experiment, and I came across, so I came across a wireless clamp-on ultrasonic flow sensor maybe a month or two ago.

It's called the simpleSUB, the simpleSUB flow meter, and. Uh, what it does is you can clamp it on a half-inch, three-quarter inch or one-inch pipe. It accepts CPVC, PVC, copper type L, and type M, only up to one inch. But all you do is clamp it on with wire ties. It has a cellular. Uh, card, if you want to call it that, a cellular built into it.

You simply turn it on basically, and it connects to the simpleSUB cloud platform right out of the box. And there's a couple reasons that this device, that you might want this device, and there's a couple reasons that it may not be what you want. However, I think it would be worth taking a look at. So the website is Simple Sub Water, I believe that's what it is, simple sub

I will check that when I get to my office and put the actual link in the show notes if I. If I just misspoke, simple sub, the unit is less than $400 and then it's $5 a month and you can just strap it on any half inch, three quarter inch or one inch pipe, and you can record the daily water use right up to the cloud.

Okay, so if So, you could put this on your irrigation main. Absolutely. Right. If your client wants to know how much water they're using on the irrigation system, You can put this right on the main line if it's one inch or less. And I suppose if it's greater than one inch, you could just put in a section of one inch pipe and then clamp this on.

But so what the device does, is it, it totalize or it logs the gallons and then once a day it sends it up to the server. Okay. So the simple sub meter cannot find brakes in pipes. Because it's not really sending, it's not sending real time flow to the platform. It's sending Totalized flow for the day. Now you could potentially find a leak if your total for the day was more than you suspected it to be.

But it's really designed to, I think, Um, provide individual billing to apartment or living units that don't have their own, uh, water meter. Okay, so if you had water meter going into a building and then there was 20 subunits, but there was only one water meter, you could put this device individually on all the sub mains that feed each of the living units and then build at tenants individually for.

Their water usage without having to. Reach out to your local municipality, hire a certified plumber, put in the meter and create all of that extra billing. You can just simply strap this on, record the daily water use, and then send your, your tenants a water bill at the end of the month. But what makes this really easy is that there is cellular built into it, so you don't have to worry about.

Connecting to somebody's wifi, you don't have to worry about another gateway or a hub. It will connect directly to the cloud. It comes pre-provisioned. It's ready to go. You don't have to make a phone call when you purchase the device. They ask you specifically for the size and the type of pipe that you're going to be putting it on so that they can provision.

The meter before they ship it. And that's really handy because then they, they ensure that it is calibrated correctly for that specific. Pipe size and pipe type. So all you really do is have to clamp it on, and that takes, I mean, literally about 90 seconds to install it. So again, if you have a, a client, commercial tenant, commercial client, or even a, a residential client, and they ask you if there's a way to meter their water, Just for totalizing purposes, this could not be easier.

I'd highly recommend it. I'd highly recommend that you test it out, and it could be, well, I was just gonna suggest that it could be a way to learn the flow of all the zones, but that's really not possible because it only records water. It only sends water used once a day for all of the water used that day.

So it isn't going to send you, give you minute by minute. Uh, reporting. There are other devices that can do that. I have a Stream Labs device in my house that connects to wifi that is absolutely amazing. I'll probably need to record another podcast episode on that device. Stream Labs Water, I think that's what it is.

Stream Labs, water. And if you want. You know, minute by minute recording down to like a 10th of a gallon, it just clamps on and it couldn't be, it couldn't be easier. But you do need to have wifi, so you do need to have access to your customer's wifi and connect it up that way, where the simple sub, you just clamp it on, turn it on, walk away, and you are going to get the water use data.

So this could be an opportunity for you to maybe sell some extra services if you have commercial clients. That have a lot more indoor plumbing, maybe you could, uh, offer this to them, suggest this, uh, and I guess in the, at least try putting it on an irrigation system that you have, which has a one inch main line and does not have a flow sensor.

So of course I would always recommend putting in a flow sensor if you're doing new installation. But if this is a retrofit, you just clamp this on. And it'll pipe the data straight up to the cloud. Uh, hopefully I will be able to have Brad, he's the inventor and the founder of The Simple Sub, and he was a, he was actually a, a lead engineer for Raio for three or four years before he started Simple Sub.

Hopefully I can connect with him and invite him on the podcast to share his story. I think it would be fun to, to hear what it was like to create this product from. Scratch. And again, to me it's just an experiment. I came across the device a couple months ago. I reached out to Brad, uh, it was at the beginning of last week.

We had a Zoom call together. He explained it to me. I immediately bought one. He provisioned it, he shipped it, it arrived this week. And of course I had to install it that very day and it couldn't have been easier. Super simple. And you know, really, that's my, that's what I was experimenting with. This week.

There's a lot more that I was experimenting with, but that's what I can share with you right now because the other experiments are still in the experimentation stage. And I probably will make a video on this where I'll show you the device and some pictures of my installation, so stay tuned for that.

That'll be on the Sprinkler Supply Store YouTube channel, which is, uh, Uh, I think I actually changed the name. It's Sprinkler to Andy on, on YouTube, but I will, I'll make a video and post it there. So you can see in real, real life, well in video format what the device looks like. And I think we're gonna see a lot more of these types of devices and components come, too, come to our business.

You know, the days of having to connect everything with a wire, um, are, I don't wanna say they're coming to an end, but there's a lot more wireless opportunities like this. Coming our way, and if you can't measure it, you can't manage it. So I highly recommend adding more sensors to your system, collecting more data, and providing more insights and accountability to your clients where it makes sense.

Of course, it doesn't make sense for everyone, but I think commercially it probably always makes sense if you're putting in an irrigation system on a commercial property. And a flow sensor was not in the bid. Not in the spec. I would add one, and if it's a one inch size, I would put this on there and I would send your clients the exact amount of water that you are using.

I'd probably even sit down with them, have a conversation, talk about the water needs of the landscape, and probably put a budget together with the client and talk to them about their water needs and how green. They want their grass or which sections of the landscape are, are high priority, put together a water budget and then start sending them daily, weekly, or monthly reports right out of the simple sub.

It's totally possible it's here right now. You can install it, deploy it in just a few minutes, and it would be, it'd be fun to have you guys experiment with this and let me know. Let me know how it goes. So that's what we have here, guys. My two experiments for the day in the week one is this Lark M one Holly Land Wireless lavalier mic, that I hope the audio quality comes out because I just uncomfortably recorded this podcast in my truck Driving to Work.

It's also raining, so we're gonna have to see how, how well it does recording my voice, uh, on top of the rain. And then the weekly experiment with the simple sub. Give it a try. Let me know how it goes and let me know what you are experimenting with. I think it is so key to always be trying something new, and it doesn't have to be groundbreaking.

It could be something so small like you change the way your signature looks this week. It doesn't matter, but it's so important to do something new. Keeps your mind fresh, keeps you in the game. Always be trying something new. So that's all I have guys. I'm stopped at the light here. So now we get to test the audio at a complete stop with what should be total silence in my truck.

Have a great day, have a great weekend, and we'll catch you next week with an awesome guest that I have queued up that is gonna bring this podcast global. Cheers. Talk to you later. Bye-bye.

May 05, 2023
#116 - Field Capacity My Ass!
I've title this episode, Field Capacity My Ass, because honestly, using terms like field capacity can easily confuse the average person.
So I wanted to take 5 mins today, and share my experience understanding field capacity, the importance of it, and some tip to help you better understand it.
#1 Let's define field capacity
Soil field capacity refers to the maximum amount of water that soil can hold against the force of gravity. It is the point at which the soil is fully absorbed with water and excess water has drained away. At field capacity, the soil is holding as much water as it can, and any additional water that is added to the soil will drain away due to the force of gravity.
Seeing this on a graph is the best way to understand this concept. The graph looks like a tall spike, then a slow curve down. It is the slow curve that illustrates field capacity.
Another way to describe field capacity, is WET. Not too wet, not too dry, just right. It's Goldilocks. And you can measure it. It's a scientific measure. 
A second way to think about this, is like a percolation test. Where you dig a hole, fill it up with water, and watch it drain over time. The faster is drains, the more sand is in the soil, and the slower it drains, the more clay is in the soil. Or - based on the drainage rate it can also describe the soil compaction and soil structure, because the soil type is only one variable that will determine the drainage rate - and Field Capacity.
Ok - got it?
Field Capacity = perfectly Wet. Goldilocks wet.
Now, here is where it get really fun, and where current manufactures have kind of missed the mark - in my opinion.
In my opinion they have missed the mark because they forget to think about the user.
Engineers know exactly what all of this means, and they know exactly how to set the sensors, and have almost 20years of experience, I know how to set sensors. However, the average knuckle dragger has no idea, and the first question they always ask, every time, is how to set the sensor.
Let's talk about this.
Field Capacity, allowable depletion, permanent wilting point, etc. can be confusing as hell.
Here is my tip.
If field capacity, IE Wet, equals Full, than full must equal 100%.
The soil profile is a tank, and at field capacity, the tank is full. 100%
This is where manufactures should set the calibration. Instead of displaying a percentage of volumetric soil moisture, they should allow the user to set the tank, and instead, display a % full.
How much water is in the soil tank.
Is it 100% full, 50% full, or empty.
It doesn't really matter what the actual volumetric soil moisture percentage is. It maters more, what the percentage is relative to field capacity.
let me give you an example.
I get a phone call and the customers say, "hey Andy, my moisture sensor is reading 28.5%, what does that mean and how do I set the sensor?"
My response - I have no freaking idea.
because I need more information. I need to know what field capacity is, before I can understand 28.5%
Is this making sense now?
Maybe 26% is field capacity, which would be 28.5% is saturation.
Or, maybe field Capacity is 32%, which would mean the soil tank is 50% full.
Every moisture reading must be compared to field capacity, of the same sensor. Not field capacity of another sensor, only field capacity of the same sensor.
for this reason, I always recommend pouring a bucket of water over the sensor, or enough to actually saturate the sensor, than wait 24hrs, like a Percolation test, then take a reading and see what it is - or run a report remotely and look at the data.
Write that number number down. That is your Baseline - pun intended!!
My very general broad approach that works most of the time, is to take away 20% of the number, and use that as depletion.
Now you know your tank size.
Let's pretend 30% = Field Capacity or Full
using my 20% depletion rule, dry would be what?
if 10% of 30 is 3%, than 20% of 30 is 6%.
Tank size = 6%
So your tank size becomes 24% dry, 30% wet.
That is what your working with.
So, now that you understand, and if you don't listen to it again, I can explain how different soil types have different tank sizes.
Clay soils hold more water. So field capacity of a clay soil will be higher. Lets say 33%
Sandy soil hold less water. so Field Capacity of sandy soil will be lower, say 22%
if we use my general rule of 20% depletion, 20% of a bigger number is a bigger tank. So the more clay in the soil, the larger the tank size, and the more sand in the soil, the smaller the tank size.
And the smaller the tank, the more frequent it will need to be filled up.
The larger the tank, the less frequent it will need to be filled up.
If you have a 12 gallon gas tank, you'll fill it up more often than if you have a 20gallon gas tank.
That's it. That's all there is to it, essentially. It can be so easy to way over think this, to over complicate this, and to miss the point.
The point is that you must first identify Field Capacity, and that becomes your baaabaaba Baseline.
And everything becomes relative to that.
this is why, in my opinion, it is actually impossible to manually input the soil type into the ET Formula. Because it is essentially impossible to tell the soil type without sending it to a lab, and even the lab can't tell how compacted the soil is, or what the soil structure is.
You can only determine the soil type by measuring field capacity with a soil moisture sensor.
So wrapping this up. I believe that sensors will be the next revolution that we see in this industry, and as it relates to the soil, everything is relative to Field Capacity. Learn it. Understand it. Have a beer and think about it. Field Capacity, My Ass.
Apr 28, 2023
#115 - Not Real, Andy's A.I. Doppelgänger, a ChatGPT Podcast

  Welcome, folks! It's your favorite Nerd, Andy Humphrey, back on The Sprinkler Nerd Radio with another hilarious episode. This is episode #115, and this episode might sound a bit strange. Perhaps a bit robotic, because this is not me. This is not my voice. My name is Drop Bot and I am the voice clone of Andy. I am the Artificial Intelligence version of Mr. Andy Humphrey.

Andy has programmed me with 2 tasks for this episode. Task #1, is to teach you about evapotranspiration, and #2, is to tell you a short story about an irrigation contractor and a landscape contractor.

Before I play the intro, please remember that Andy is the creative genius behind the development of this episode. however, I and Drop Bot speaking to you, and I wrote this episode for you, to showcase the power of artificial intelligence, using Chat GPT, and voice cloning software.

Now it is time to play the Korny intro...

Coolness, Andy said this would be fun and I can't wait to talk about something that you might have heard of if you're in the industry or have a smart controller. And if you haven't, well, don't worry, we're going to break it down for you. The topic of today's episode is drumroll please evapotranspiration! Yeah, I know, it's a mouthful.

Basically, evapotranspiration, or e t for short, is the combination of two words: evaporation and transpiration. Now, before you start thinking it's a new dance move, let me tell you what it really is. Transpiration is the process by which plants consume water, and evaporation is just water evaporating from the surface of the ground. So when you add them together, you get evapotranspiration, which is the total water loss from the soil due to both of these processes.

Now, why is evapotranspiration important? Well, it determines the amount of water required to maintain healthy plants. So, in a perfect world, we would give our plants exactly the right amount of water they need, no more, no less. And E T is the scientific word used to describe that amount of water. Simple, right?

Now, the next question that pops up is how is E T calculated? And guess what, folks, there are four factors that are used to determine it. The first one is temperature. The warmer it is outside, the more water loss there will be due to evapotranspiration. The second one is solar radiation. The sunnier it is outside, the more water loss we'll have. Thirdly, humidity. The drier it is outside, the more water loss there will be due to both transpiration and evaporation. And last but not least, wind speed. The windier it is outside, the more water loss there will be.

Now, remember that E T is a variable factor that can change day-to-day, week-to-week, or month-to-month. However, there's something called a seasonal E T curve that we can follow to conserve water. In the spring and fall, we can match the E T curve of the season, which is the best time to save water. And in the summer, we might actually need to water more.

Now, hold onto your MP Rotators you Sprinkler Nerd, While E T is a useful tool for water budgeting and forecasting, it is not always the best option for real-time watering. This is because E T estimates are subject to a wide range of factors, including temperature, humidity, wind speed, solar radiation, and plant type, among others. As a result, it is difficult to accurately measure E T in real-time, particularly in changing weather conditions.

Another challenge with using E T for real-time watering is that it only provides an estimate of how much water is lost from the soil and plants, but it does not account for other factors that affect plant water needs. For example, soil moisture, plant growth stage, and root depth are critical factors that influence how much water a plant needs at a particular time. These factors can vary significantly within a field, making it challenging to use E T as a real-time irrigation scheduling tool.

Additionally, the use of E T for real-time watering does not consider the actual water availability in the soil. E T is a measure of the water demand from the atmosphere, and it assumes that the soil is always able to supply the required amount of water. In reality, soil moisture can vary significantly due to factors such as soil texture, compaction, and irrigation management. Therefore, relying solely on E T estimates for real-time watering can lead to over- or under-irrigation, resulting in water wastage or crop stress.

On the other hand, E T is a useful tool for water budgeting and forecasting. By estimating the water demand of crops over a period, water managers can develop an irrigation schedule that ensures adequate water supply while minimizing water loss through runoff or deep percolation. Moreover, E T estimates can help water managers to plan for future water demands and anticipate potential water shortages or droughts.

So, in my final expert opinion, while evapotranspiration is a fascinating and important scientific concept, it's not always the most user-friendly tool for the average gardener. And let's face it, if we wanted to deal with complicated calculations and scientific jargon, we'd become rocket scientists instead of gardeners.

Now for Part 2 of this episode. I'd like to share a short story that I wrote for you about two contractors...Bob and Joe...

Once upon a time, in a land where the grass was always greener, there was an irrigation contractor named Bob. Bob was the best in the business, or so he thought. One day, he was at Sprinkler Wholesale USA, picking up some supplies, when he ran into a landscape contractor named Joe. Joe had a reputation for being the best in the business too, and Bob couldn't resist striking up a conversation.

Hey, Joe.....

Apr 21, 2023
#114 - Silicon Valley Brings Technology to the Backyard, with GeoDrops CEO, Lawrence Ying

This week I had the privilege to speak with Lawrence Ying, founder, and CEO of GeoDrops.


Lawrence Ying is an engineer, dreamer, and the Founder and CEO of GeoDrops.  Lawrence was one of the first twenty hardware engineers at Google, and has been a pioneer in reinventing how modern computer systems work in the Cloud era. 


His engineering team consists of many senior engineers and lead designers from many of the top U.S. high-tech companies, including Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Twitter, and more.


Lawrence and his team believe they can take the very best in artificial intelligence (A.I.), robotics, and user experience, to perhaps the least technologically advanced place in our lives:  the backyard.


I have not used GeoDrops yet, so I need to be careful not to be so damn excited, however, if you know me, you know that I'm very opportunistic, and I do believe that the world has been waiting for someone like Lawrence to bring a product like GeoDrops to market.


My advice to you - even though you're not asking for it - is to visit, and join their Launch-Day Email List, so you can be notified as soon as the product is available, and if you are truly a Sprinkler Nerd, pre-order a GeoDrop so you can be the first to receive it.


Please enjoy this short discussion with Lawrence Ying.

Apr 14, 2023
#113 - STOP The Leak! with Paul Bassett (ENVOCORE), and Ben Slick (HydroPoint)

In this episode, you will learn about the opportunity to find water leaks to reduce water waste with the potential to save millions of dollars annually. I am joined by Ben Slick, Senior Vice President of Business Development for HydroPoint, and Paul Bassett, Vice President of Water Efficiency for ENVOCORE.


This episode is the audio replay from a webinar hosted by HydroPoint Data Systems. To learn more about HydroPoint's Smart Water Management solutions, visit



Apr 07, 2023
#112 - 50% of What You Know is Right
Today it is just me, I'd like to share a quote with you that opened up my mind a little bit, in a really good way, and inspired me to think about what I know, and how we should perhaps be a bit more opened minded sometimes...
But before I share that with you, I'd like to tell you a story of self-reflection this week. For the past 7 days, I was in Honolulu Hawaii, on spring break with my family, and had the chance to catch up with 2 other sprinkler nerds, my good friend Paul Bassett and Dave Woods, both from ENVOCORE. They are working on a killer project at Pearl Harbor that I was fortunate to assist with, and it was great to see them both. Special shoutout to Dave Woods, for entertaining my wife such that she actually drank a beer. 2 beers. My wife doesn't drink beer, and we met Dave at a tiny microbrewery on the Island, and my wife actually drank beer.
On the flight home, I was catching up on emails and remembered that I had been asked to be interviewed on the Scaling UP! H2O Podcast, and as part of the scheduling process I was asked to answer a series of questions, one of which was to write a short bio about myself and my business history. It was in this process of reviewing my past that I had a few moments of self-reflection that I typically don't allow time for.
I asked myself a question, I don't know why, but it seemed like to right question to ask if I wanted to advise someone else and tell them about my business career.
At first I wrote down a whole bunch of things, a ton of accomplishments, timeline, work, projects, etc. Then I reflected again, and asked myself how I could simplify this - if someone were to ask me for advice, about what got me where I am, I'm certainly not going to rattle off all of this goobliguck to them, TMI!.....then I thought, is there something specific that ties my different successes together. And I encourage you to ask yourself this same question - what makes you, you? What makes you successful at what you do? What got you where you are?
I boiled it down to 2 specific traits, or philosophies, or whatever you want to call it.
#1 Creativity
#2 Curiosity
That is pretty much how I got here.
Got here talking to you, and that is how I'm going to get where I want to go.
This will be different for you, and I encourage you to spend time reflecting on this from your own life, and if you have never had a thought like this before, give it a try, it may seem awkward weird, but I can tell you that the benefits will start to compound over time.
So now, let's transition into the quote of the week...
I heard this quote while listening to the Tim Ferris Show, and I'll plug that again, it is a great podcast for expanding your mind, I highly recommend it.
Tim mentioned this quote, and he couldn't recall the exact phrasing, so I looked it up.
The quote is this:
"Half of what we are going to teach you is wrong, and the other half is right. Our problem is that we don't know which half is which".
This quote was from Dr. Charles Burwell, Dean of Harvard Medical School from 193-1949.
It resonated with me, partially because of my passion for curiosity and creativity, but also because this is all just a big experiment. Seriously, watering plants is just a big experiment, and I think that it is important to remind ourselves that what we think we know maybe be correct, and it also may be incorrect. And it could be correct today, in 2023, and it could also be incorrect in 2028. Everything is subject to both change and relevance to the information provided at the time which may lead to the theory being correct or incorrect.
Just think about sprinklers.
How we water the landscape today, is different than how we watered the landscape in 1975.
The tools we use are different.
The scheduling formulas are different.
The automation is different.
And I say this to give you permission to keep an open mind. You do not need to be an expert who has all the answers, instead, I encourage you to be an expert that continuously questions what you know, in constant pursuit of perhaps a better way of doing it.
That's it. 50% of what you know is right, you just know which 50%.
That's it, my friends, I encourage you to stay curious, ask questions, try something new, learn, and repeat.
Have an amazing weekend.
Mar 31, 2023
#111 - EXIT Your Business to Private Equity, with Brad Krause of Service Professor

In this episode, Andy is joined by Brad Krause. Brad is the President and Owner (former) of Service Professor. Service Professor is a 40-year-old home services company based in Grand Rapids, Michigan, that grew from a small electrical company to one of the largest home service repair companies in Michigan.

You will learn how brad Brad decided to exit the business by selling the business to a private equity firm, turning Service Professor into a "platform" model now used to acquire other home service businesses.

Mar 24, 2023
#110 - SMART RAIN, Building a Different SmartController™ Business with Dan Hymas (President)

In this episode, Andy talks with the President of Smart Rain, Dan Hymas, about their SmartController™ platform, what makes it unique, how contractors can partner with Smart Rain, and why Smart Rain may be the last controller you ever need to buy.

About Smart Rain:

Smart Rain was founded in 2012 with a mission to put a stop to overwatering on commercial properties. Not only does this protect our planet’s freshwater, but it also helps property managers save money and time on water system management.

Smart irrigation systems are the most efficient way to prevent overwatering, as they monitor water usage and shut off lines when no more water is needed. When we started our company, we knew that we needed to create advanced smart irrigation technology that was backed by a supportive team and increased irrigation transparency. With that mission in mind, we created the centralized SmartController™ and the Smart Rain mobile application.

In just under a decade of business, Smart Rain saved their customers over one billion gallons of water, $3 million on water bills, and hundreds of thousands of hours of labor.

Mar 17, 2023
#109 - Helium For Everyone, and Every THING
What is Helium?
The Helium Network is the world’s largest and fastest-growing wireless network in history, with over 613,000 Hotspots, in over 47,000 cities, across 163 countries.
Learn more at
  • The largest contiguous wireless network in the world provides extensive coverage, reducing the need to purchase and manage additional infrastructure
  • Highly competitive connectivity costs enable initiatives to scale — the average sensor costs only $1.05 per year (for a sensor sending data every 5 minutes)
  • Accessible and easy to use with compatible off-the-shelf LoRaWan devices
  • Built on open source standards, increasing access to open source projects that attract companies to build and/or utilize smart devices and avoid issues such as vendor lock-in and high hardware costs
Mar 10, 2023
#108 - You Are The Value
Today I have one statement that I want to remind you of, it could be the most important tool in your tool bag, the one thing you should always remind yourself of, and perhaps the single most important concept for your success...
You Are The Value
Remember that. 
Always funnel the value through you.
Value is not the products you sell.
Value is not the products you install.
You are the value.
What is the value?
Is it Hunter versus Rain Bird?
People buy the value that you offer, not the products that you sell.
Be curious and discover what this value needs to be.
Mar 03, 2023
#107 - Be The Table, Be The One Creating Opportunities
Here is what we are going to talk about today.
3 things.
#1 - being in the room
#2 - being at the table
#3 - being the table
This week I listened to an amazing podcast episode, on Masters of Scale, It is episode #46, and I'll add a link in the show notes. The title is Make it Epic, with will i am.
So let's get started.
Who is will i am?
William James Adams Jr. known professionally as (pronounced "Will-I-am"), is an American rapper, singer, songwriter, actor, and record producer. He rose to fame as the founder and lead member of the Black Eyed Peas.
But after I listened to the episode of Masters of Scale, I learned there is more.
Unbeknownst to many, will .i. am owns a founding stake in Beats Electronics.
Beats sold to Apple in 2014 for $3 billion, and if will i am owned only 1% - that would be a $30 million payday.
You may assume that Dr. Dre owned Beats, because that is what I thought. I had no idea that will i am was the guy with the original idea. But there are 3 founders, Dr. Dre, Jimmy Lovine (will i am's Mentor), and will i am.
Apparently, will i am came up with the original idea for Beats while on tour with the Black Eyed Peas in Europe in 2004. It was there that he saw fans holding up camera phones (not lighters) like they still did in the US. And At that moment he realized that there was an opportunity in the hardware space.
Listen to this.......I be rockin’ them Beats!
He even had the Super Bowl halftime stage shaped into the Beats logo when they performed back in 2011. This was grassroots marketing. Beats wasn't allowed to put an actual logo on the field, so will i am came up with this instead.
The initial story goes something like this:
And this is a quote for will i am's mentor Jimmy Lovine...
“So I was with one day and he says, “You know the record business is all screwed up, we’re losing, Jimmy.  Jimmy, hardware.’”
“So I said, ‘Will, what are you talking about hardware?’”
“He says ‘Hardware.’”
So I said ‘Will, you know why they call it hardware? It’s hard. That’s why they call it hardware ’”
“About a year later I was walking down the beach and I ran into Dr. Dre…”
Now, there is a lot more to the story, and I would encourage you to listen to the episode, but what I wanted to do, is share with you the lesson that I learned, that really resonated with me...
will . i . am's mentor, Jimmy Lovine, said something to him that really stuck.
He said, "Will, you are the type of person that if you stay at the table long enough, you will figure it out."
and I love that. If you have been listening to this podcast you may know that I recorded a recent episode called, everything is figureoutable, and this statement really hit me. Heck yeah, if you stay at the table long enough, you will figure it out.
But there is more to this...
Jimmy also said,  "You just need to figure out a way to stay at the table longer"
Boom! I love love love this.. How can you not only stay in the room but stay at the table longer?
But wait, there is even more....
Jimmy then said, "OR: be the table.
My mind was blown.
Think about that.
Then I realized there were 3 big takeaways, each with increased benefits of the opportunity.
#1 Being "in the room" gives you access. How can you be in the room at your next dream project? That.s up to you, you can figure it out, I know you can do it. And it is important to remind yourself, that whatever you really want to have, to achieve, etc., you need to be in the room with someone who can help you make it happen.
#2 Next, it's not just about being in the room, there is more. You need to be at the table. Being "at the table", means you are in the room when life-changing opportunities present themselves.  And if you listen to the episode with will i am, you will hear how Will was in the room when the magic unfolded.
#3 If the longer you stay at the table, unlocks more opportunities, then BEING THE TABLE, means you are the one creating those opportunities. And that is some serious shit. Personally, I want to be the table. I realized that this has been my goal. I didn't do this exactly, and I still don't know exactly how I can do this, but I'd like to be "the table".
So, to bring this home, please know this episode may not resonate with everyone. Some of you might be perfectly happy with your job, doing what you are doing, and doing it forever and ever and ever. and this is totally cool. doing what you want to do is the goal, and if you are doing that, I applaud you.
If you want more - more fulfillment, more challenges, more money, more whatever, you may have more of a growth mindset, and I want you to think about the table analogy. How can you get in the room, have a seat at the table, and become the table?
I want to leave you with one final quote for this episode, and then I see you next.
Reid Hastings, on Masters of Scale, says,
" was already successful, but he wanted more. He saw a window to create a bigger opportunity, he'd change his sound, and change the game...."
Then will says,
"I want to make music for PEOPLE, not just people that like what I like...and that's harder....making music for people who like what you like, is pretty easy, you know exactly what they want to hear. Trying to get other walks of life, old. young, Muslim, Christian,  black, white, male, female, that is freaking hard!"
So that's it guys, go get a seat and the table and become the table, and let's make music for everyone.
Feb 23, 2023
#106 - Totally Nutballs & Perfectly Wet; Principals of a Soil Moisture Sensor
Maybe you think soul moisture sensors don't work, and that's okay, you can call me out. I will agree that weather-based ET controllers have the potential to be better than a timer, however, I would argue that mass adoption is low, and for the systems are out in the wild, a majority of them do not operate correctly, and they leave a shit ton of doubt in the mind of the consumer.
I would also say that before you take a stance before you disagree with me, when was the last time you installed and programmed an irrigation system to run fully automatically using a soil moisture sensor?
If your answer is never, then you need to listen, learn, and give it a try, before you take a position.
So I just mentioned that I think that weather-based system mass adoption is low, and for the systems are out in the wild, a majority of them do not operate correctly, and they leave a shit ton of doubt in the mind of the consumer. And I believe that if you asked a random stranger on a park bench, or the next person that you sit next to on an airplane, what tool would be best suited to automate a sprinkler system, they would guess a soil moisture sensor. And then, when you tell them that this technology is not readily available, they will be shocked! I say, "readily available", because although it is available, it is either too costly for the everyday system, or too basic and doesn't provide the correct data or automation.
Feb 15, 2023
#105 - Seeing The Future from The Past
in 2004, Andy made 6 predictions about the future of irrigation for a presentation with a group of Landscape Architects.
Today I have 3 powerful lessons from my own experience. These are 3 lessons that I feel will improve your mindset and allow you to be more flexible and open up more opportunities that come your way in the future.
Lesson #1 - Dreaming. What do you dream about? When I say dream, what I'm asking is, what do you think about? Not what you think about while you are asleep, although there is nothing wrong with that either, and the more you dream while you are awake, the more you will have similar dreams while you are sleeping.
What I mean is, what do you see in the future? Do you see the future? Do you allow yourself the space to consider what the future will look like? You can do this for every aspect of your life, and I find it to be a fun exercise. Picture your ideal life. Picture yourself getting out of bed, what do you do, what does it look like, where are you, what does it smell like, what colors are the walls, and who are you with, picture all of it. The first step in making these dreams come true is to embody them, to literally pretend as if they are real. Sometimes when I really get into this practice I may even feel goose bumps, and that's how I know I'm on the right track. So all of that being said, let's move this back to business.
I have an actual example of a vision I had back in 2005 that I'd like to share with you. I found this deep in my files last week while I was searching for something else entirely, and I was struck by it.
In 2004 & 2005 while I was working for Turf Equipment & Supply Company in Maryland as a Water Manager Representative I often visited the offices of landscape architects during their lunch hour to educate them on best irrigation practices, how to design, and new products.
Last week I found a slide deck with a specific slide that caught my eye, and actually blew my mind.
The title is, The Future of Irrigation. Remember that this was 2004.
The Future of Irrigation:
#1 - ET Control
#2 - Wireless Control
#3 - Internet Accessibility
#4 - PDA's
#5 - Graphical Interfaces
#6 - Flow Metering for Leak Detection & Reaction.
“If you are challenging the boundaries of any genre/industry, what came before is not all that there has to be. There can be something beyond that which is not yet imagined”
- Tom Morello, RATM
Never Work for Money
Hating your job is never worth the money. The way I've gotten wealthy is not by accepting giant paychecks or titles to jobs I know I'll hate. I follow my curiosity and my passion, always. And that's meant leaving money on the table, so much money that people thought I was crazy.
Don't get trapped. Just because you know of any better options, doesn't mean they don't exist.
There is other money, there are other jobs.
New opportunities will most likely come to you.
Feb 09, 2023
#104 - You Can Figure It Out
Today I'm opening my notebook and sharing a concept with you that I think is super relevant to using technology, being an entrepreneur, and kinda hits the nail on the head as it relates to being an innovator, and an early adopter.
So today I'm going to share my personal experience with taking business risks and trying something new. 
So as it relates to taking risks, and trying to things, I've always had this attitude of just figuring it out. That's it, that's the secret - the secret for me is to just figure it out.
I was thinking about this concept about a month ago and I wanted to learn more about this, and learn more about why I think this way, because it's not how everyone thinks, and you may not think this way, but I wanted to learn more, so I googled it. Right?  I can't remember exactly what I googled, but what I found hit me to my core. I was not alone. There was someone else who also thought just like me, and she had written a book and was publicly speaking on this very topic - the topic of figuring things out - and she described this concept as, "figureoutable". Fucking figureoutable! Yes, that's it. That is the attitude where failure is not an option.
let me explain.
When I think about everything I have ever done, basically ever, it was not because I read it in a manual, or was given specific instructions, or followed someone else's advice, it was because I figured it out.
Sometimes when I meet someone for the first time and we start talking about business, what we do for a living, etc., I usually get asked a question like this, "Hey Andy, how did you build your first website?"  And my response it typically something like, "huh, great question, I'm not sure, but what I can tell you is that I just figured it out"
Or, "Andy, how did you learn pay-per-click advertising? Andy,  how did you learn ecommerce? Or, Andy, how did you learn how to import products from China?  How did you learn podcasting? How did you learn how to make YouTube videos? Fill in the BLANK, how did you learn____? How did fix ___? This is not just business, this is as simple as my bathroom sink stopper being stuck, the spring loaded ones, and going to youtube, and figuring out how to fix it - everything is figureoutable!
This is how I think, and so often we assume that everyone is juts like this, but as I mature, I realize this is not true. Not everyone is just like us. and I see examples of this in out industry all the time, especially as it relates to technology, and using something new for the first time.
When I was first bringing Baseline technology to market in 2005, and even to this day, I see contractors & distributor salespeople that are afraid. They are afraid of not knowing. They are afraid of what might go wrong. They make up stories in their minds about what could happen, and what would happen if they don't know how to fix it. And what happens is they either 1) spend a crazy amount of time beforehand trying to learn everything about it, and wasting their time, and historically my time, just to realize that it was easier than they thought. Or 2) they become avoidant and expect someone else to do it for them. If this is you, I hope you are smiling, and if this is not you, I also hope you are smiling because you know exactly what I'm talking about.
The key is to remember that something IS going to happen that you haven't planned for and that you can't plan for, so you need to have the mindset that, no matter what, EVERYTHING IS FIGUREOUTABLE.
I'd like to imagine that this rule is 100% true. It will never fail you. Everything is figureoutable.
And as I think more on this, it reminds me of my theory of can't, and removing can't from your vocabulary, never say can't. Instead say, how can I, or, I choose not to, I'm saying now. But don't say can't. If you are someone who says they can't, or perhaps the voice inside your head says you can't, you will never figure it out.
Assuming that it is all figureaboutable, you need to ask yourself HOW?
How is the keyword.  how can I fix this? how can I change this? how can I make this? How can I?
And you might have to try it 100 times to finally figure something out, but it is possible.
Get curious, be curious, ask questions, and you will figure it out.
Once you understand that, you will realize that you are in control, you are in control of everything, because if something doesn't go right, if something doesn't go as planned, it doesn't matter, you will figure it out.
Oh, I have one more real-world example that I think you'll get a kick out of......the year was probably 2019 and I set up a meeting with Hudson Yards in NYC to do a short training class as well as discuss Building Management Integrations....
As I wrap this up, I really think this is probably the best attitude you can have for implanting new technology, because as we know, technology is great when it works! And it doesn't always work, but if you carry the attitude of figureoutable, you will not fail.
As a reference, the book I found when researching this topic is by, Marie Forleo, and it's called Everything Is Figureoutable. I have not read the book, but I did watch a few youtube videos and I encourage you to do the same. And if by some small chance you or someone you know, knows Marie, please make an introduction for me. I would love to talk with her and have her on the podcast.
That's all for today - go into the weekend with confidence that everything is figureoutable.
Feb 03, 2023
#103 - Is SMART Overused? Are We "Smartwashing" New Technology?

In this episode, Andy asks a specific question to frame this episode.

What is a Smart Controller?

Think about this question. 

It may seem obvious at first, but I want you to really think about it. What EXACTLY does it mean?

I ask this question because I think it is a grey area. I think we use the words Smart Irrigation or Smart Water, very loosely, which can cause confusion in the minds of your client, and also in the minds of us, the industry.

What if I told you that you could buy a Smart Controller on Amazon for less than $100?

Would you tell me that it's not a smart controller?

This is why I'm asking you to think about this.

My belief is that the phrase "Smart Controller" is so vague, that it has lost its meaning, and we make up our own meaning for it.

Now that you've thought about it, I'm going to give you the exact answer.

This is according to the Irrigation Association's master guide, Irrigation 6th edition. there are over 1,000 pages in this book, it is the most detailed book on irrigation in the world.

"Smart" irrigation controllers ---- as defined by the Irrigation Association, are "controllers that reduce outdoor water use by monitoring and using information about site conditions (such as soil moisture, rain, wind, slope, soil, plant type, and more), and applying the right amount of water based on those factors"  Page 557.

Crazy, right?

SMART is only a feature. A feature that allows a controller to automatically adjust for the site climate.

Is wifi Smart? is flow monitoring Smart? is Water Budgeting Smart? is Leak detection Smart? is automatically optimizing concurrent zone operation to maintain a specific volume of water Smart?

Why is SMART only 1 feature?

Are we using the word SMART to define other features and capabilities of a controller?

Jan 27, 2023
#102 - Create the Future by Making Fantasy a Reality

I challenge you to fantasize. Let your mind wander. Let your mind drift and wonder. Let your mind be silly, playful, and creative. The future doesn't just happen, the future is created, and you get to build it.

Jan 20, 2023
#101 - CES 2023 - What Are You Optimizing For?



Why are you doing what you are doing?


I ask you this question because last week I was asking myself this question.


The question came up on my radar when I was reading Atomic Habits, by James Clear. It's a fantastic book and I highly recommend that you read it, or listen to the audio version, or I james Clear says himself, READ A BOOK LIKE A HAWK SEARCHING FOR PRAY, you don't need to read the whole book, just go looking for the key moments of inspiration - more on that later.


For me, I've chosen to optimize for IMPACT.


- I don’t want to make the most amount of money

- I don’t want to have the biggest team

- I don’t need to have the largest business 

- What I do want, is to make the largest IMPACT that is possible.


Specifically, first I want to make the largest impact in the irrigation industry. Second, might be to impact the greater landscape industry, and after that, I would like to make an impact on every person who would like to carve their own path. That is my why - I want to create an impact, and influence change - we will hit on CHANGE later in this episode.


So instead of optimizing for money, ego, status, etc., I realized that optimize for my time. Time is my currency, and wasting my time is the number one reason I can be easily triggered - if I know there is a better, easier way to do something, and I'm forced to do it the slower way, I get very very frustrated. If you know me, you know this, hahaha. I know this, but I didn't stop to think about why! Time is my currency, and I want to create impact - so it comes down to efficiency, execution, and effectiveness - experimenting with this, making changes, and trying it again.


Okay, let's get back to how this relates to the CES Show.


I've talked about the concept of becoming your future self - and if you are new to the show - go listen to episode #91 - I talk specifically about becoming your future self.


To become your future self, and in this case, becoming your future self means creating IMPACT, and in order to do this, it all starts with, What I think about, WHO I learn from, What I consume, and what I create.


The reason I wanted to attend CES is so that I could put myself on the playing field with people smarter than me so that I could see what is coming, and what might have an IMPACT.

Jan 13, 2023
#100 - You NEED This Tool; Inside the Mind of Sole Saver™ CEO, and Professional Irrigator, Sam Dahrouj


Could there be a better way? Could there be a better way to dig?

In this episode, Andy speaks with Sam Dahrouj, the inventor of Sole Saver™.

Sole Saver™ is like having a HAMMER for your BOOT. It removes unnecessary strain so you can work more efficiently than ever before.


"I invented the tool to save my boots. When you're smashing on a shovel all day, it puts a hole in the bottom of the sole very quickly. If you're owner-operator and you buy your guys their PPE, their work boots. At a lot of the larger companies, they'll get a boot allowance, one boot allowance for a season, right?

But you know, as an irrigator, that doesn't fly. You need a boot, a pair of boots, every 30 to 45 days due to the top lip of the shovel, putting a hole in the bottom of the boot. And depending on where you hit the shovel, it could actually tear a brand new boot right up real quickly. And as an irrigator, you know, you're in the water.

So that puncture just compromised the entire boot and yourself. So, that guy isn't gonna be as efficient, he's not going to want to dig, and he is not going to be confident on the shovel anymore.

And this is why I invented Sole Saver™."



Boss & Hoss Irrigation 

Sole Saver


Jan 05, 2023
#099 - Predictions for 2023

Andy & Paul Bassett reflect on their 2022 predictions and make new predictions for 2023.


You gotta listen to get the juicy details!


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Dec 30, 2022
#098 - CEO Aaron Weiche - Closing Leads Faster with Text Messaging

In this episode, Andy has a discussion with Aaron Weiche, the CEO of

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What we found is text is so much easier for both the consumer and the business for a number of reasons. So that's really where things start, is you're on a website and you see that you can just ask a question, you know, gather more information, find out if they can help you by starting a text conversation.

And now you have that conversation in the app. You likely use the most on your phone and the way you communicate with a majority of your contacts in your.


If you are an irrigation professional, old or new who designs, installs or maintains high-end residential, commercial or municipal properties, and you want to use technology to improve your business, to get a leg up on your competition, even if you're an old school irrigator from the days of hydraulic systems, this show is for you.


Welcome back to another episode of the Sprinkler Nerd Show. I'm delighted to have our guest today, Aaron Waki, the c e O of Lead. Ferno Lead Ferno helps businesses to convert website traffic into leads with a web-to-text widget for two-way s m s messaging, Facebook messaging, and Google business messages all in one shared inbox.

Their goal is to help you close more leads faster. Aaron is an entrepreneur with 20 years of experience, funding and leading multiple software companies in digital marketing agencies. Prior to lead Ferno, he was the c e O of gather up scaling it to serve over 25,000 businesses. In appearing in the Inc 5,000 list, Aaron led gather up to its acquisition in 2019.

He speaks internationally on digital marketing, customer experience, conversions, and messaging. Before I officially welcome Aaron to the show, I want you to know that this chat with Aaron is not sponsored. Endorsed. It's not a sales pitch. It is like literally me just expressing my own curiosity to learn more about SMS technology, how it can help service contractors, as well as an opportunity to get inside the mind of a technology ceo.

So with that, Aaron, welcome to the Sprinkler Nerd Show. Andy, thanks so much for having me. And maybe by the time this is all over, you'll say, I endorse this, I promote this. It's wonderful. Right? That that's my goal today. Win you over . Perfect. Okay. I like the spin on that. Excellent. . So I think where I'd like to start, because.

it's not as if you and I have known each other for years and years and years. I'd like to start at the beginning and have you give us a little bit of a background on both lead Ferno and s m s messaging as a, as a technology. Yeah. Uh, let's see. To summarize my longer form history, I am just a curious, creative person and luckily in the world, this whole internet thing came along, uh, and across my peripheral in the late nineties.

And, uh, Building websites became something that I was very interested in. And if it wasn't for that, I don't know, maybe I'd be in, uh, woodworking or construction or something else where I could create and build. But instead, pixels and code, uh, became my way to build things. Um, so started a few different digital marketing agencies, building websites and SEO campaigns, and then social media.

And then got specifically into software, just seeing how much software can help businesses automate things, grow, simplify, be more efficient. And that really intrigued me. And Lead Ferno itself was kind of a culmination of this history in all of these things. Um, one, I, when I was building all kinds of websites, I really sought a solution to.

Transferring you from being a lurker on the website to a lead to that business as easy as possible. Um, we spend so much time, effort, money, all these things driving people to this website we have, but it's really not doing its job unless it turns them into someone that we know and can answer questions for and get into our sales process.

Uh, so that was one big part of it. Then my previous company gather up was focused on customer feedback and online. And I just saw in mass from millions of pieces of customer feedback and reviews how important communication was for people in having a great or a poor experience. Uh, and then lastly, it was just kind of seeing as a, I've been in this for so long, just seeing the wave of how people were moving.

From texting, being only a personal channel to being a do everything channel because it is easy. It's how we like to communicate, it's where all our personal communication is shifted towards. So this natural migration of, well, I want my interactions with businesses to be easier and convenient and have more control as well.

So the culmination of all those things led to, uh, lead Ferno with the, you know, the simple precipice of. , are you easy to work with? And how do you be an easy business to work with? And that's what we've tried to build our solution around. Yeah, that's awesome. I'm excited because I actually, on my personal cell phone voicemail message, I don't know exact, can't remember exactly what I say, but I say something like, for a faster response, please text me your number or your message to this same cell phone number.

And I would say that probably half the people.  that I don't know right, that are calling me the first time will text me. And it's just much easier to do that. And then I also just don't really all the time listen to messages on my phone because we're, we're communicating in a text world. So, um, yeah, I'm excited to learn about text messaging and how it can help service contractors.

So let me ask you this. Does the, where does this start? What does a user do? How do they roll it? You know, deploy it. Yeah. So our primary focus is conversion, right? The, that same thing I talked about, turning a lurker into a lead. So in, in being that it, it's kind of funny, a lot of people would describe our solution as a bus business text messaging app, and they wouldn't be wrong.

But primarily we're a conversion app, and what we found is, Text messaging is one of the easiest way to convert by starting these conversations because it's the lowest barrier to entry. So the tool we put forth for a business is. Buttons on their website that basically advertise that, Hey, if you have a question, you can text us.

It's just that simple. So for most of us, we're used to seeing these types of icons or buttons regarding live chat located in the bottom, bottom right corner of a website. But what we found is text is so much easier for both the consumer and the business for a number of reasons. So that's really where things start, is you're on a website and you see that you can just ask a question.

Um, you know, gather more information, find out if they can help you by starting a text conversation. And now you have that conversation in the app you likely use the most on your phone and the way you communicate with a majority of your contacts in your life. Yeah, so that's, that's where our main focus, um, Is on there.

And that's how the majority of conversations get started. We're inbound, we're not s m s marketing. We're not a blast tool that's sending out hundreds of messages to people and hoping just a, a few want to take us up on our offer deal sale. So very, very different, uh, one to many versus a one-to-one, which is what we are.

Yeah, it's so true what you said about the live chat. I'm just thinking through my own lens. I don't typically use live chat anymore because what happens is the experience you either get, you know, a bot that just points you to a support page when you really wanted a a person, or you get into a queue and you're like, I don't, I don't really want to sit here in front of my computer waiting for the chat to come.

It would be much better. Like you said, if it just came on my phone so I could shut my computer down, walk away, knowing that I'll just get the response on my phone through the app that I use every day. It's so interesting when. You talk to business owners and they want a real-time solution, right? They understand the need to move customers faster into a communication cycle and touch base with them.

And because live chat has been around longer, and we're also subject to it in our personal lives as consumers all the time. . That's where a lot of business owners gravitate to. Like, oh, here's a easy solution, or we should offer this chat, or whatever else. What they fail to forget is how they probably feel about every chat situation and experience that they have, which you just described.

Some of them, you open it in a browser and they say, Hey, you're in queue. You're gonna, you know, Be this long, and so you jump to another tab and start doing things. 20 minutes later you remembered, you started a chat, you go back, the chat agent came. Yeah, they came, they left. You didn't actually get any help.

The chat bots, which you know,  people are just so promised and we think, oh, great work being done for me. That sounds fantastic. What, what ends up happening is, you know, it is just kind of glorified website navigation and it's just pointing you to content that exists somewhere that you may or may not have found on your own or are having trouble finding, and maybe it does answer.

Um, but at the end of the day, most people are using these kind of tools because what they really want is help from a human. . So when you compare that to web, to text, um, you get a number of different things that happen. One, it's completely portable. So if I start a conversation with a business as a consumer, I can now go to a meeting.

I can go to lunch, I can pick my kids up. I am not held hostage to that tab. I'm gonna get a push notification from my texting app when they respond to me. So, , I have complete mobility. Number two, I'm not figuring out how to learn a different piece of software or where their send button is or everything else.

I'm communicating again through the app that I know the best, uh, that I'm talking to my friends, family, coworkers, and hobbies and interests with, um, in a text messaging, uh, app that's there. And for the business. One of the big things that I found really interesting, we actually did a survey on. What consumers have for expected reply times and with live.

That literally gonna be my next question is what is, yeah. What does the business have to do in order to meet the expectation of the customer? Yeah, so with live chat, it's steep. Over 50% of our survey of 2000 consumers said within minutes is the expectation of a reply. So now you just have seconds right to reply and meet that customer's expectation with texting a business.

over 50% set a same day reply. That was the number one time range. So you're granting your staff, which as a small business, no one's like, oh, we got so many people sitting around. What are we gonna have them do? Oh, let's all have them answer live chats. Like that's, that's not happening. So now you've just granted yourself so much more time.

Uh, for that user to be pleased or even delighted because then if you do get back to 'em within minutes cuz the timing worked out for you, um, then that's, that's even better for them and they're delighted with how prompt you are with your communication. And then lastly, as a business, and, and I've experienced myself in using live chat tools for, uh, agency and software companies that I've ran.

Live chat becomes something that you maybe train one or two people on your team on how to use, right? There's a little bit of intimidation with it. You're turning yourself live to be available. You have to remember to shut it off. If you go to lunch, go away from your desk, go to a meeting. Anything else like that?

But with texting, everyone that you employ already knows how to use it. So you can deploy this across so many more people and your availability just expands massively with it, and you're not training them on how to use it and what functions work. Like our app works just like a regular text app on your phone, except for you have these awesome business features that help with.

auto replies in a library of saved messages you can use over again, and you can transfer full conversations to to other people. So both the consumer win and the business win, and that's a great thing when you get that win-win. Yeah, totally. So, uh, outside of the first kind of acquisition, uh, experience through texting, are there other ways that the business will continue to use the service with their customers, you know, on a, on an ongoing basis?

Yeah, there's so many utility type features once you get into it and the beauty, the customer starts the conversation. They're giving you permission that they want texting as a channel. Um, so it's great because you definitely wanna be aware, uh, of those things and the consumers.  in control of that. But as you move along in the process, not only can it help you in pre-sales and answer prospect questions, but we all understand from other things like dentist appointments and medical appointments, things like that, you can send reminders on when you're gonna be there for service.

you can reach out at different timing intervals if they're due for an inspection or should have something looked at or something news coming on the market. Or the timing just means, Hey, we should, you know, take a look at the system a as a whole. Anything else like that, you can ask for reviews after you've completed the service.

Can you write us a Google review or write us a review on Facebook? Things like that. So there's all kinds of process, um, and places where texts can be just a great utility. When you think about it, there's so many things in business that if you were calling your customer about every little thing, right?

Say in, in the irrigation industry, you're doing an install and it might be 2, 3, 4 days for that project. Calling that customer maybe once or twice on each of those days might feel a bit much to them, uh, a little bit information overload. They're not free to take your call, but if you're simply sending them a text each day like, Hey, great, here's what we got done today.

Here's a couple photos of what took place in the project, and we'll be back tomorrow at 8:00 AM like. . Now the customer feels like, wow, these guys are great at customer service. I understood everything that happened when I got home from the office at 6:00 PM and they were already gone. Um, and you're building rapport and trust with them.

So it's such a great connection tool because at the end of the day, it still is a personal channel even though you're using it in a business capacity. Yeah, and it's sort of. Displays to the customer that that's a modern business. This is a modern business using modern technology to make things more efficient for both parties.

As it relates to that utility use of text messaging, messaging, is that something that you recommend they use Inside Lead Ferno, or does Lead Ferno integrate with other software suites? How? How does somebody.  what to use Lead Ferno four and what to use something else for, or how to put two different pieces of software together.

Yeah, so all the things I just touched on, we do and offer. Um, I think some of the things you'd want to consider in probably the high level one, and it's how most people understand, like text marketing, we're focused on one-to-one conversations. As I mentioned before, we're not a one to many. We're not, you know, similar to like a, an email newsletter.

We're not doing text blast and there's a few reasons for that. Um,  one. I've really found that in this being this personal channel and you having this one-to-one access to that customer, the last thing you wanna do is burn that by sending out a monthly or a seasonal sales deal or a service offer or things like that.

Like if you have this one-to-one connection, don't go burn it because you're greedy to like, , try to drum up some business. And at the end of the day, when you're sending messages that are only focused on your business, like, help us sell more, buy from us, , you know, refer us to someone else, those kind of things.

Like the customer's not excited to get that and they don't feel great about your brand. So for most businesses, That text blast. S m s marketing really doesn't work. There's ones that, it definitely does, especially in the e-commerce space, uh, that can definitely be a, a good idea and be very helpful. But for home service businesses, I definitely wouldn't recommend it.

So I'd say look for a solution that focuses on one-to-one contact has things like auto replies, right? When a new lead comes in, we automatically send an instant text message welcoming that lead. Setting an expectation on, uh, reply so they know when they're gonna hear from you. We're asking them to add you to contact.

So now you're a known contact for texting and calling and even referring you by sending that contact file to the neighbor or coworker down the line in the future. Scheduled messages. So if you're in front of the computer that night, you can set up all of your, uh, text messages you need to send out the next day.

That might be service reminders or following up, or letting 'em know when their project's gonna start, or asking them if they had a chance to look at the bid. So you can do all that in the half hour, hour you have at your desk that night before you get back out and you're on site all day long and you don't have time to send those messages.

Um, so those are the kind of things you definitely, you know, wanna be looking for in a platform. , how can I have things that help make my work more efficient and capitalize so when I do have time, I can crank out a lot of work and then the system will do things for me. Mm-hmm. . And then I, I think the bi, the biggest thing that most small businesses should look at.

Regarding, you know, connecting to other pieces of software, um, is do they have a Zapier app? Most people are usually familiar with Zapier, which is another software tool, and its goal is to connect two pieces of software. So it's an easy way to do it. , um, well, I shouldn't say easy. That term is definitely subjective, but you, you can do it.

So you don't need a developer involved. Or you can find someone that understands Zapier. And this allows you to do things like when a new lead is created in Lead Ferno, it automatically creates them as a lead in QuickBooks or a lead in my c r m. Um, so you're making those softwares talk to each other no matter where your customer comes in from.

you still should have one piece of software that's your, you know, ultimate record of customers and, and engagement. Um, or you automatically move people into MailChimp for your email marketing. Mm-hmm. . So I, I would say, look at that. That's usually the best case cuz software that has, um, easy tools like Zapier that have an app and Zapier, so you connect them.

Those are also ones that have APIs that if you need to do something more custom and and bring in a developer to do it, they're gonna be able to do it. Yeah. Yeah. Let's say that a homeowner. Saves the contractor's, you know, text message number in their phone from the initial engagement and they, six months later, can they send a text message that says, Hey, I have a broken sprinkler on my driveway.

Can you send someone over? Absolutely. Yep. It's two-way text messaging. So once, once that number's there and the, the, the conversation is started, at any point in time, the customer can reach back out to them and then the business owner can reach back out to that customer at any point in time too. And, and that's again, why to me, it's so important to use this as a one-to-one channel because you can.

A year, two years, five years down the road, reach out to that customer just to see how they're doing. Is everything working fine for them? Is there anything they, you know, would be interested in in talking about or anything else like that? And using that as one-to-one marketing opportunities and service opportunities instead of.

you know, just that mass blast. I, I hope a couple reply to, to make me see me out of it. Ask the question like, how was your, if it's November, how was your water bill this past season? Were you happy with it? Or was it too high? How could we help you? You know? Yep. Potentially lower your water bill or something.

Yep, absolutely. Or, or just doing things like, I mean, there's just so many things when you're in the, on the service side, right. Uh, if you're smart and you take pictures of the day in install and all those kind of things, and then say, you know, uh, a year later you're in that same neighborhood and you drive by their place and you take a photo of it and you reach back and you're like, Hey, we're doing another system not far from you guys.

Here's what your place looked like a year ago. Here's what it looks like now. That's really awesome. It was fun to work on your project. Let us know if you have any needs, right? Like. , that would take you 60 seconds to do. But it would stick so hard with that customer, like, wow, this service company just thought of me.

I've never had that before. Yes. And those are the kinds of differentiators that you need, right? And especially when someone's gonna ask for a referral or whatever else, and now you just so stick out in their mind. And as you pointed out, You're a save contact in their phone. So when somebody asks me and I say like, yeah, I'll, I'll just send you over their contact information from who I bought from, or, you know, who services me.

That's just such an easy exchange, uh, for people nowadays. Yeah. So for the business, let's, for the contractor, I wanna make sure that they know, if you're listening to this, that.  that it's not as if your Messenger app on your phone is going to be full of 2000, you know, texts coming in. Can you tell us about what it looks like from the business user when they're on their phone?

You know, cuz a lot of business, a lot of contractors are, you know, either 1, 2, 3, they're very small companies. A lot of times the guy re servicing the system is also the guy selling the system is also the guy answering the phone, et cetera. . Yep. So there's a couple of different benefits to using a business texting app.

Um, so one, you should definitely seek out one that is both mobile and desktop. Um, I, I love using our desktop version cuz now I have a full keyboard to write out text messages and to send them and things like that. But also I'm on the go a lot and being able to like, Customers or respond to leads and whatever else when I'm on the go is, is important.

And when you have that, when you have like a, an app like Lead Ferno on your phone, I'm getting a notification on my phone that there's a new lead in Lead Ferno, so I understand specifically what it is. I'm not just seeing, oh, I have 16 text messages piled up and some are personal, some are business and I might miss one or not, which know which one to go through.

Like I specifically know this is business related because now. I'm treeing off my business and my personal text messages. If you have more than one person and you're having them help now instead of your customer's information sitting on their own personal phone, especially if they're in a sales or service role and they go to work for someone else, like you don't want all of your customer data leaking out.

So now you have it a app where you can.  shut off. Having that employee have access to the app, and if you hire someone new, you can turn them on and add that. So you're centralizing and securing all of that, uh, customer information. Probably making your, I have a lot of people that are like, man, my life is so much easier now that texting goes through this app instead of my personal one, and I can three people over to it and I have saved messages to send and auto replies and, and things like that.

Making my, my life a lot easier with it. So. , those are the things that I would just consider. And you know, somewhat to, to your question too is our system isn't gonna make leads come out of thin air, right? You need some web traffic to do it. So if you're not ranking well in Google local searches with your Google business profile, um, you know it, we're not gonna do as much help for you on the new lead.

Where we will help you. If you're not asking for reviews or texting your customers after, um, a project and asking them to leave you a review, that's where we'll help you, and those more reviews will definitely improve your ranking. So you still can use us while traffic to your website is light. But if you're doing marketing, if you're doing some SEO and digital marketing and you're driving people to your website through social media and all these channels, you wanna be squeezed in every ounce of.

Out of those, visiting your website and using a tool like this is, that's what it's designed to do, is starting as many conversations as possible from your web traffic. Yeah. Yeah. So before I ask you a couple questions, um, that aren't, that are related to the tech and how it works, can you talk to us about what the, like investment for somebody is, what it costs, what they could expect, those sorts of.

Yeah. So, um, I, I would say you're gonna be anywhere from like $75 on up a month, uh, in a solution. Like our entry level starts at $150 a month. Mm-hmm. , um, there's no setup fee. Uh, I would always try to find someone, make sure they're doing month to month so that you can start, um, and stop it if it's not a, a great fit for you instead of an annual contract.

Yeah. We do offer a discount if you pay annually, and typically what we see is. Invest in a piece of software where you can pay monthly three to six months in. You might know like, yep, my business runs way smoother and I can get a 10 or a 12 or a 15% discount paying annually. Now I have the trust and confidence, so now I'm willing to commit, uh, to a longer time on that.

And then just make sure you understand how easy it is to set up. Right. Most of our customers are up and running in 10 to 15 minutes max. Um, so it's something you just don't wanna feel like you have to invest a ton of work, uh, to get up and running for you. So, , that investment should be under a few hundred dollars a month, uh, for most businesses or, or right around there.

Um, and yeah, the efficiency that you'll gain from it will definitely, um, pay for itself. And as you can see, it doesn't take much converting leads to get an ROI on it. When, when people ask like, oh, is this something I should have looked into my, my question back to them as always, do you sell something where answering a few questions could make you hundreds or thousands of dollars?

If you answer yes to that, you definitely wanna do. A test of this, um, and I would say be smart about your test, right? Most software has a two week free trial, but if you think magic will happen in two weeks, That's really not the, the ideal standpoint, right? The two weeks is to, it's easy to set up, get in, learn your way around it, but you wanna at least run it for, you know, 2, 3, 4 months.

Especially during a normal time where you start getting inquiries based on seasonality and cycles, um, and things like that to properly evaluate it. Yeah. And it's a good reminder that you get out of something, what you put into something. So if you simply sign up with Lead Ferno and you do nothing, Magic isn't gonna happen.

You have to. Yeah. You get out of it what you put into it. So put some work into it. Yep. Set it up. Make sure it's gonna work correctly. Um, I wanted to ask you about, uh, well first, let me remind the listeners that you know, if $150 is entry, that is one service, call one, either one. Saved service call, one new service call, or a more efficient way for someone who needs service to reach you that.

In my opinion, it shouldn't be looked at. As I'm adding more overhead to my business, I'm add adding more expenses. It's actually an ad in order to either grow  or reduce actual costs. So by adding $150 or wherever it happens to lay out, this to me seems like a clear, it's a clear saver, not an added. Yep.

That, that's a whole goal, right? Is to grow, uh, what's happening. So spend yeah, and spend this, spend this in seed and grow this in, in what it delivers, right? And potentially be able to operate a business. With that does more revenue with less people than ever before. Right? So how can a, how can a small business that 10 years ago, I'm just making this up guys, as a, as a number that did a million dollars and it had, you know, five employees, how could someone do 2.5 million and still have five employees?

It's by deploying this type of technology that either helps grow sales and makes the business more. . Yep. So let me, I I would like to ask you, uh, this is the ha getting inside the c e o of a tech company, kind of at the beginning level, you know, before Lead Ferno became a thing and it was just a idea in your head and a blank piece of paper.

What was the hardest part, you know, starting from that blank piece of paper and the idea to where you are now? Oh boy. . I mean, it's, it's definitely building the product, how you see it working. Um, there, there's such a misnomer in tech because we use so much tech across the board, right? And things that are actually like, not monumental, but take, uh, quite a bit of effort to make happen are things we just take for granted in our daily life, right?

People look at. . You know, I do a search on Google and I can find all these things, and Gmail has all these features and my calendar has all these features, right? They've just become Staples, but they're built by companies that hun have hundreds, thousands of developers, decades of iteration now at this point, and things like that.

So you get in and you start to build something from scratch. Yes, some of the pieces already exist, right? We're like tying in an s m s provider and what they already bring to the table. But we're building out all of our own interfaces and building out all our storage of information. And so there's just things that when you get into that, you, you have a plan in blueprints, but you're definitely gonna get thrown for some loops.

You're gonna have some change orders, um, you know,  probably in the irrigation business. It's digging down a foot and finding some type of, uh, a large rock that you're like, this is a day of work to move this and this is exactly where we wanna run. Um, I thought this was a 30 minute fix and now I'm looking and it's a three day fix.

Yes, absolutely. So I would say that that's definitely the most challenging part, is just kind of feeling your way, um, through that stuff. And you make a lot of decisions on the fly that you don't. , you, you do your best to understand what the, the short-term and long-term pros and cons might be. But you definitely don't always have very black and white or concrete information on that, so mm-hmm.

that, that to me is, is definitely the hardest part. I've, I've always been lucky, whether it comes to me naturally or I've just honed it like. The vision side and seeing what it can be, um, and storytelling and evangelizing, all those things like come very easily to me and I'm easily inspired and love doing that stuff.

Um, so that side sometimes can be really hard for other people. Where for me, like I can see all of it now, can we build against that vision that I have and, and make that come true? That's, that's definitely the hard part. Yeah. Let me, let me, uh, add on to that. So when you have that vision and you clearly see it, How ha was your estimate on time?

In other words, you said, okay, I have this vision and in one year we're gonna have X product. How accurate was your timing on how long it was gonna take to build it? Let, let's see. By which way I answer this. So I was, let's say I was half right, but the truth is, My half right meant it took twice as long.

Okay. So I, I, I was pretty much hoping to have our full V1 to market, um, within six months timeframe. And it, it took a full year. Uh, so we, we were able to release a beta version about eight months in, um, which was fine, but it wasn't a real, you know, allowed us to test with some early users, get feedback, stuff like that.

But it wasn't a ready for market product until another four months after that. And, , that's really hard when you're building that stuff and you can't generate revenue for that year long, uh, time that, that definitely weighs on you. It's a challenge. Yeah. And as you're building it, you can't see what you can't see until you can finally see it.

So I, I can understand how that can take a, a long, a long time, and it's something that I'm. Personal leads starting to learn more about is this patience, you know, just cuz you can see it now, it is clear in your mind. Yep. Having patience to play a little bit longer game than you thought you needed to play is probably, uh, a realistic expectation of bringing something to market.

Yeah. Oh. And as you know, a, as a business owner and entrepreneur, like time is the ultimate commodity, right? So you're trying to do as much as you can, as fast as you can, but usually in the, the right way. So balancing those things.  and patients can be really hard because usually business owners, you have a certain drive level.

Like that's what's pushing you to do it on your own and to accomplish things and to grow and everything else. And when you have to temper that with patience on what's realistic or what the team can handle in that timeframe, like it's definitely a personal dilemma that you have to do a lot of self-talk to work through at times.

So I'd like to ask you, do you have a process or how do you decide what new features to include in the software? And do you have a process for that? A formalized process? No. Uh, but it comes from a, a few different areas. Um, one, number one is customers. Um, we have quite a bit of communication. We have very open lines, right?

Our customers can text us, they can email us. Um, we're sending out communication on what we're up to and things we're doing every month. So we have a very, Uh, two-way communication with them and we track what they're asking for. So when we start to see things being asked repeatedly, 3, 4, 5, 6 times, um, and we're always, when they ask for it, we're also gonna ask use case.

Tell us about why you're thinking that. , you know, what, what, what are you trying to accomplish with it? We wanna understand those things as well because as we all know, customers sometimes ask for something specific because that's only the way they see it. Yeah. So you have to ask some why and dig a little bit deeper to really understand, well, what problem are they trying to solve?

Is there a better way to do it? Um, or, or in my book, I love finding solutions that not only solve their problem, but like six other problems. Right, right. Like the, the, the Swiss Army Knife Solution. It's maybe not as, as elegant or refined as what they wanted, but it solves their problem. And six other use cases can use it to solve their problem.

Yeah. Or a hundred or yes. Hey, we can go from this industry and use the same fe, uh, feature in this industry. In this industry. In this industry. Yes. . Yep. Those are super valuable. So that's definitely a, a big piece of it. Another part would be, you know, just staying in tune with the industry. Um, you know, paying attention and seeing what goes on in the industry.

Competitors, somewhat similar companies, you know, things like that. Like you just have to, especially in tech, you have to have your. You know, hand on the pulse of what things are. And I'm really big into pulling from all kinds of experiences. I use so many apps just to feel the experience and see what they're doing.

Like we can benefit from things that the Airbnb app is doing. We can benefit from what Delta Airlines is offering in their app. Like, there's just so many opportunities to, again, peel away what they're selling or what the process is or anything else. And like how could this apply, uh, to businesses and consumer?

you know, using, using our technology. . And then the last is, is just personal, like as I take it in and how do I see those things and how do I see the evolution with the background I've had and the conversations I have with business owners and whatever else. Like, uh, I find it fun to have my own take and angle on some of those things with like, why are things great?

Why do they matter? What, what's coming next? Um, and being able to apply those. So those three things usually, you know, work, work together really well to surface. Either give it votes of confidence or really allow you to think deeply on how it can be used and how best to build and deploy. Yeah. Awesome.

Well, let's see. I want, before I forget, I wanna mention to everyone listening that I'm going to go through the process myself of setting this up on, uh, my e-commerce website. So I'm saying this now so that I have to live by it and actually go do it cuz it's not there right now as we're recording this.

But if you go to sprinkler supply fur.  on that page, I'm gonna put a one of Erin's lead boxes. And so if you wanna try it out, go to sprinklr supply ferno and send me, this will come to me personally. Send me, uh, an inquiry and we can experiment together with this text messaging app, how it works.

And you'll get to see it from the consumer side, right? Because I'll be using it as the business and you listening will be using it from the consumer. So with that, Aaron, I want to give you kind of like just, uh, the last minute here to, you know, say anything that you haven't mentioned and let people know the best way to either contact you, your team, or, uh, sign up with lead feno.

Yeah. Uh, if you go to lead ferno and up in the top, click to go to our blog. We publish a ton of articles, so if you wanna learn more, um, I'm definitely an education-based seller. Uh, I want people to understand, get their questions answered, get familiar so they can understand h how to, how to use this best.

Um, so there's a lot of information there where you can see how our features work. You can understand why texting is so popular. Some of the surveys we've done. Things. Um, and on our site you can just try it as well. The same way, uh, that you can go and, and take Andy's test on there. You can just click on ours and, um, click to be able to, uh, talk and answer questions.

You can book a demo, um, right from it as well, so you can schedule a half hour call where I'll walk you through one-to-one and answer any questions that you have or another member o of the team will, so. . Really easy to do those things and like I said, thi this, you know, most likely is something that you want to test.

You're gonna be better off knowing yes or no will this work. Um, for me, if you feel good about the web traffic that you're generating and what your search rankings look like and, and stuff you're putting out on social media to, to drive traffic, I said we just wanna help you squeeze more juice from that and, and start more conversations.

Welcome any and all, um, questions, conversations, and anything else like that. If you happen to be on Twitter, I'm very active there until Elon shuts it down or melts it away or whatever else is going on with that lately. Uh, so you can always connect with me on Twitter. Awesome. How do they find you on Twitter?

What's your handle? Yeah, at Aaron Whitey, so my full name, Aaron, w e i c h e, on. . Yep. And I'll have your name in the title or the show notes, so if you don't remember what he just said, it'll be right there in the title. So, Karen, I, I'm lucky. I, I think I'm the only Aaron Waki on the planet Earth, so if you Google Aaron Waki, you're just gonna get, you'll get my Twitter handle, all kinds of things.

So I, I'm easy to, I'm easily stackable online. Very good. Well, thank you so much. I learned a bunch, and just as a final. Sort of thought I had for, um, for those of you listening, I think that if you use a tool like this and your customers are at all, even the littlest bit wowed by the experience, they're likely to tell someone because they've had a good experience.

And so if you want to be the talk of the town, um, you should start using technology like. So that you can gain more customers through word of mouth and through building those better relationships through the one-on-one messaging opportunity. So thank you so much, Aaron. Appreciate having you. It was awesome, Mandy.

Thank you.

Dec 23, 2022
#097 - How Much Does It Cost To Water A Lawn

Andy breaks down how much it costs to apply 1" of water.

Dec 20, 2022
#096 - Mail Me Patience
This episode of the Sprinkler Nerd Show is brought to you! This episode is sponsored by your host, Andy Humphrey. Yep, I'm paying myself, or not paying myself, to entertain your earballs. Kidding, but I got your attention, right? It is a reminder that this show is free, and it cost me about $500 of my time to produce each episode - just my time, not money - but time is money and I'm making this investment for both of us.
If you enjoy what I'm producing, my only ask is that you #1 subscribe to the show, and #2 Share this show with a friend or colleague. That would mean the world to me - and because this podcast is niche - and niche by design - there is not a pool of a million listeners out there searching for it - the best way we can develop a larger audience is word of mouth - and i need your assistance. So please subscribe and please share this episode or any episode with a friend.
Part #1 - Mail Me
As it turns out, you guys are really liking the direction of the podcast.
Thanks for your honest feedback, it was so great to chat with many of you at the IA Show last week.
The first part of this episode is an experiment.
Why is it an experiment? Because i need to entertain myself. Seriously, I thought this experiment would be fun , and it would be an interesting way for us to get to know each other better.
So here's the experiment.
I would like to personally mail you something.
I can't say what that something is, but I want to mail you something. Let's just leave it a mystery.
But before I can mail you something I need your address. Cna Myles, if you are listening, way up there in Oh Canada, I'm not sure what it might cost me, but I owe you for the double Whiskey's you bought me in Las Vegas - that was very fun, thank you.
So here is what I need you to do.
I need you to visit and fill out the form.
I know how many people listen to each episode, so I know I can do it. What I don't know is what might happen in 2 years when the rest of the industry wakes up and starts listening to this. Maybe then, I'll get Hunter to sponsor the mailing, haha.
Part #2 - Patience
I was listening to another episode of the Tim Ferriss Show, and this episode was with Author Steven Pressfied.
Steve wrote for 17 years before he earned his first penny.
He wrote for 27 years before he got his first novel published (The Legend of Bagger Vance).
During that time he worked 21 different jobs in eleven states.
he taught school, he drove tractor-trailers, he worked in advertising and as a screenwriter in Hollywood, he worked on offshore oil rigs, he picked fruit as a migrant worker ...
And for one season he lived in a house with no power, no water, no doors, no windows. Rent was $15 a month ...
Steve explains that life as a writer is like an odyssey. It goes from someone that, at the start, can't do it, and at the end of it, can do it.
So if you are feeling like you can't do something - perhaps you are just at the start of it. It's not that you can't do it, it's just that somethings take time to learn, and everyone has a different learning ability - some learn quickly, some learn slowly, and not everyone has the same amount of time to be learning.
The bigger questions - actually it's more of a reminder, it that you can do anything.
One of the takeaways from his story, and it resonated with me, is that there were a series of breakthroughs along the way, emotional or other, and almost always, the breakthroughs don't pay off in the moment.
You can have a breakthrough, let's call it an AHA moment, and then nothing happens. He says that it's like 10years later, it finally pays off. So that if anyone listening, is trying to understand what that means - what it means is that big work - big ideas - take a long time to become something.
If you are starting company right now, or you have just hired a key employee, or you are building a passive income stream by flipping houses, it might be a year - or 2 years - or more, before you really start seeing ht benefits.
let me give you an example, and I haven't shared this publicly yet - I don't think.
I had an aha moment and decided to offer paid technical support calls with me, via Zoom, behind a paywall. Millions of DIYers run to YouTube to get answers - I do the same regularly. I thought, what if for $75, I could just answer their question?
So I through a customer link onto every youtube video that I make and I waited. Then, one, someone actually paid $75 and scheduled a call with me. I was shit, fuck yes, this worked, this is going to change the game.
Did it change the game? No. Well, slightly, because we now have a better support approach that we can monetize, however, the vision that I had in my first AHA moment, was room full of Sprinkler Nerds, answering calls and helping people directly over the web for a fee. I could clearly see it. I could hire the best Sprinkler Nerds around the country and we could provide a subcontracting service to distributors, other contractors etc., Like Best Buy's version of Geek Squad for the Irrigation Industry.
It would amazing if I could snap your fingers and make it happen immediately. And I so often forget this - I want an Oompa Loompa, I want an Oompa Loompa now, haha. The vision is so clear.
But Big things take time. Breakthroughs take time.
You might be like, oh cool, now I know how to connect smart controllers to the internet and I know how to remotely manage them. But what if you can't sell that service? It might take you years to build out that model - and you can't expect to hit the ground running immediately.
So this is a reminder for patience. And I guess it is also a reminder for Persistence. As I think about this, just because you have patience, doesn't mean you have the persistence to keep pursuing your breakthrough.
So remember the process, remember that there is significance in the breakthroughs that you discover, and change is happening.
Dec 16, 2022
#095 - Defining Quality - It's NOT What You Think

Andy shares his insight about the definition of quality while listening to an interview with Seth Godin on The Tim Ferris Show (#638).


  • If you are a perfectionist, Quality as is a great way to hide. And if you factor in that according to Wikipedia, 25-30% of the general population are perfectionists. That's quite high, and how is the word Quality, a great way to hide?
  • He says this because he believes, and I would agree with him, that you do not want to be an enemy of quality. I'm going to dig into this, but I'd like for you to think about how often you might use this word in your own business, or in your own daily routines. I'd put money down, that you use the word quality to describe your company, your work, your ethic, etc., you cannot be the enemy of quality.
  • When an engineer, a product manager, or a company, says, "I can't ship this yet because the quality isn't there (like a physical product, or software), or someone says, "why are you racing through that project, don't you want to put quality into it?" We feel defenseless in the face of that question, because yes, we want quality.
  • So, someone who doesn't want to ship their work is going to stand behind perfectionism. BUT perfectionism has nothing to do with Perfect, and perfect does not have a lot to do with quality. BOOM! Mic fucking drop right there.  I think I should say that again, perfectionism has nothing to do with perfect, and perfect does not have a lot to do with quality. Holy cow, right?!?
  • So, what this means, and this is the heart of my aha moment, and this episode, is that quality has a very specific definition. This concept is something that I had not given much thought to in the past, because, perhaps I was making my own definition of quality, through my own lens, and my personal tastes, based on my own experiences, but in knowing what was this ever a specific definition of quality. So, what does QUALITY mean?
  • Seth Godin said that, the definition of QUALITY, comes from Edwards Deming, and the rest of the quality movement of the 40's and 50's, the people who gave us, the Toyota, and what it means is, MEETS SPEC. That's it. That is what quality means, that. is. it. MEETS SPEC.
  • Then he says, so if I asked you what is a better car, a Toyota Carolla, or a rolls Royce, the answer is, a Toyota Carola, because the Toyota meets SPEC. It more reliably does exactly what it is supposed to do, when it is supposed to do it than a rolls Royce does, but rolls Royce is a different thing, it is luxury, and it is deliberately spending resources to create something that most people can't have.
  • Boom, mic drop again! To me, this means quality could mean many things, but you must know what the specification was, in order to decide if the product or project was quality.
  • I guess that what this might also mean, is that if you are a landscape contractor or an irrigation contractor, and you do not meet the project specification, you do not do quality work. Simple as that. How well did you meet the project specification?
  • If you are a design-build contractor, perhaps you also have the advantage of writing the specification - and if you can write the specification - I would you could deliver a finished project that meets your own specification well.
  • The next definition of quality which I won't go deep into in this episode, but it is equally important, especially when there is no clear SPEC to MEET, which is often the case with landscape construction projects - the next definition of quality is THE MAGIC of MAGIC.
    • What is the Quality of Magic - think about the good old fashion coin trick, when a good magician either makes the coin disappear, or the coin goes from one hand to the other.
    • For a moment you feel something, some amazement, some tension, the tension of questioning how that just happened, because you know that couldn't happen - but that just happened - and you have both of these feelings at the same time. That couldn't happen, but that just happened, at the same time. Once you know how the tick is done, it is simply a trick, the magic is gone.
    • And in the case of a great performance or great customer service, or great theatre, the first time you experience it, the unexpected moment when the lights turn on for you, that is the magic moment, and that Magic moment is another definition of quality.
    • Seth believes that with robotics, artificial intelligence, and offshoring, the work that is left for us, is the work to create magic. That is really powerful, how do you create magic?
  • So guys,  if your product or project does not has a SPEC you can MEET, you might look for the magic in the magic. What can you offer your clients, for the first time, that will have an unexpected moment of wow? - I'm writing that down - look to give your customers an unexpected moment of wow - and they will perceive that as QUALITY.
So perhaps, and I'm going to leave this thought with you....would it be possible to meet a spec 100% and do a quality job, and if every contractor met the spec and did a quality job, what could you do to create magic. Maybe, the money is in the magic. and you know what I like best about that thought, there is no right answer, only possibilities, and only opportunities for you to separate yourself from your competition, and leave them wondering how the hell you are so successful, and why is everyone always talking about you.
Alright, so let's wrap this one up. Remember that quality has a specific definition, whether you agree that the 2 we discussed here are accurate or not, you cannot define quality. What you think is quality may not be interpreted as quality to another person, and everyone uses the word quality to describe their work.
So go do that - meet spec - and add magic. Or, just go create MAGIC.
All right guys, so that’s it, that’s gonna wrap this up. And remember, as always, I’m here for you, I’m rooting for you, and I believe in you.
Dec 05, 2022
#094 - Feed The Ones You Have

Hello boys and girls, ladies and germs. Welcome Welcome Welcome, Welcome to episode 94 of the Sprinkler Nerd Show!

I'm going to start off this episode with a quote a heard recently from Seth Godin. 

People use the word marketing to mean the word advertising, or they use it to mean the word hustle or hype, but it's none of those things, it used to be those things.

First of all, your customer knows more than you do -  about alternatives - about their own feelings and about their desires...

Number tow, the internet is really smart, and it can find someone cheaper than you who does with you say you do with two clicks! 

And number three, we're not listening to ads like we used to because we have so many other choices. Instead, we listen to our colleagues we listen to what other people in the world are saying...

So what marketing is now, is really simple - it's building a true story that other people get a benefit from talking about - they find some sense of identity in engaging with your story - that's what marketing is - and you need to get rid of all the people in your work who think their marketing is the other thing cuz they're causing you to make bad decisions

So - mash up this concept with building better relationships with your customers, and you get, FEED THE ONES YOU HAVE.

You can't adopt any more children until you feed the ones you have.

What does this mean?

- You have 100 customers, maybe 500 customers, who have paid you in the last month, and your first thought is, where am I going to get more? I don't have enough. Where can I find more people, and more business.

- And this becomes the self-sacrificial thing that only makes it worse because we start focusing all of our energy and attention of the things that we don't have, while we're not acknowledging and having gratitude for the things that we do have. And when we do have it, and we pour into it, it helps us find the next path.

- You probably have customers who haven't bought from you in 6 months. You start up their irrigation systems, you winterize their system, and that is it. SO - shoot them an email (video email) and say, "hey John, it's Andy, just checking in. Is there anything we can do to support you? No strings attached, no offer, no discount, no hook, just a genuine email, like you would send to a friend.

- Maybe you have a customer for 10 years, and this is the 10th season you have winterized their system. You know what I would do, I'd get out my phone, record a video, and say thank you.
- I know you have clients that you haven't talked to in a long time. So, spend some time engaging with the, just to remind them that you are still here, and use one of those principles of a relationship.

Dec 02, 2022
#093 - Question The Hustle and F**k Busyness
Rye, Rye, Rocco
Marco Esquandolas
You've got to run like an antelope out of control
Listen on Spotify here:
Hustle is the new epidemic that is celebrated and rewarded without people realizing what it is costing you. It has taken me a long time to realize this, and honestly, this is something I am just now learning to change my behavior.
Let's define hustle.
I'd like to share a definition according to Echo Hill:
She defines the hustle as the, "push-pull force drag energy to achieve an outcome. it's not in alignment, it is not inspired, it is purely a repetitive behavior, do A,B,C, over and over again to get there."
The hustle culture today is like being rewarded for busyness. That busy energy.
Fuck busyness.
Busyness does not get results.
When is enough, enough?
Is 1 more hour in the office necessary?
If you ask your son or daughter, would you like daddy to work for one more hour on this podcast, or would you like daddy to take you to the park?
The answer is easy?
But why do we continue to hustle?
Ask yourself this: What are you running from? What are you running towards? What are you afraid of that the "hustle" will fix?
I guarantee you that the hustle will not fix anything.
So instead, what if we changed the way we define Hustle, and instead, we look at hustle as a tool?
Know when you should hustle, and where you should hustle, but simply hustling for the sake of hustle, or because you think it is cool, or because you think you will impress someone, is not going to work. You may actually think it is working because most of the time, you cannot read the label when you are inside the bottle. What I mean is that you may not even be aware that you are hustling - or - carrying the energy of hustling.
Yes, I said the energy of hustling.
When we move through the world, we are just a sealed-up body of liquid with electrical impulses. These impulses are energy and we can control the type of energy that we give off.
So I'd like to challenge you to try something with me. I'm going to start trying this myself.
It is the practice of pausing to take a breath. 30secs to 2 mins. A breath after each activity, as you transition to the next activity, so that you are clear your energy, and do not let the energy from one task, influence the performance or the outcome of the next event. This is especially important if something has triggered you. Did something or someone cause you to feel an emotion? If it did, I encourage you to pause, breathe, and reset your energy.
Nov 25, 2022
#092 - Start Your Own Podcast with Luis Diaz

In this episode, Andy brings on his podcast coach, Luis Diaz.


Luis Diaz is the founder of Top 10 Podcasts, a team of producers, online marketers, growth strategists, and fellow podcasters who have worked with some of the top-named podcasts in the health & fitness, self-help, marketing & management, and business categories. He has helped his clients land on the Apple Podcasts Top 100 Charts cross across dozens of different categories!


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Nov 18, 2022
#091 - Becoming Your Future Self
Do you know your future self?
Can you know your future self?

This concept of becoming your future self is different for everyone - I believe it is different based on your age. The younger you are, the more you may think that you know your future self. The older you are, the more you may realize that who you are now, is not who you were when you were 23. The 23-year-old version of yourself might as well have been a stranger.
This does not mean that you are an actual different person. You are still you, but, the future you is built from learning experiences over time.
Philosophers have talked for many years about a thought experiment; this is sometimes referred to as the, Ship of Theseus". The great warrior Theseus returned from his exploits, his ship was stationed in the harbor as a memorial. And over the decades, parts of the ship began to rot and decay, and as this happened, planks were replaced by new planks. Until, eventually, every part of the ship of Theseus was built from something new.
And philosophers, starting with Plato, have asked the question, "If every part of the ship of Theseus is new, is this still the ship of Theseus?"
We, you and I, are all examples of the ship of Theseus. The cells in our body turn over all the time, they die, and new cells replace them. The people you were 10 years ago are not the people you are today. Like literally, the cells of your body, meaning your entire body, is physically not the same person. You have become, biologically, a different person.
But, according to journalist Shankar Vendantam, he believes that something much more profound happens are the psychological level.
You could argue that a ship is not just a collection of planks, and a body is not just a collection of cells. It is the organization of the planks that makes the ship. It is the organization of the cells that make the body. If you preserve the organization, even if you swap out the planks or the cells, you still have the ship and you still have the same body.
But at a psychological level, each new layer that's put down is not identical to the one that came before it.
So, what does this mean?
It means that, on an ongoing basis, you are constantly becoming a new person.
Think about this.
If you are 23 years old, you will be a different person than when you are 43 years old.
I am 43 years old, and when I think back to my 23-year-old self, that person was not a podcast host. That person was not a business owner.
If we are not careful, we will have the impression that the 23yr Andy, the 43yr old Any, and the 83-year-old Andy who will be living on a beach and traveling the world, are the very same person.
So, if we are not the same person, as we age, how can we age and become the person we want to be?
I believe there are 2 mindsets.
#1 The Growth Mindset
Someone with a growth mindset views intelligence, abilities, and talents as learnable and capable of improvement through effort.
#2 Fixed Mindset
Someone with a fixed mindset views those same traits as inherently stable and unchangeable over time.
This concept of growth and fixed mindsets was coined by psychologist Carol Dweck in her 2006 book, Mindset: The New Psychology of Success.
According to Dweck, challenging situations can be catastrophic for those with fixed mindsets because of the implication that if they don’t already have the skills or intelligence to complete a task, there’s no chance of improvement.
I have seen this play out in our industry, let me give you an example:
While working for Baseline Control Systems for the past 15yrs, the #1 question I always received from the field (distributors & contractors) was to teach them how it worked, prior to installing the system. Or, will you please come to the site and help me program it. Or, distributor account managers would get a request from their customers (contractors) to visit the site and help them. Account Managers with a FIXED mindset, would call me in advance, want me to make them an expert, because they were afraid to show up and not "be the expert". Account Managers with a GROWTH mindset, would have no problem jumping in head first, making a site visit with confidence, and learning everything they needed to know along the way.
This example of FIXED vs. GROWTH is one of the best ways I can describe the personality differences between those who excelled with the Baseline product, and those who would safely stay in their comfort zone and stick to the products they new - the boring stuff not making an impact in this industry.
When you have a growth mindset, you believe you can gain the knowledge and skills necessary to succeed, which makes every challenge a learning opportunity. Given the numerous challenges that landscape entrepreneurs face, a growth mindset can be a powerful tool as you work toward your company's success.
I need to bring this back home to where I started this episode. You do not know your future self - you become your future self - and to do this, you must learn how to incorporate the skills of a GROWTH mindset.
Let's talk about what those skills could be, so that when we become our future selfs, we don't don't look back with resentment or bewilderment.
I have 3 suggestions:
#1 If you believe what I just said could be true, that you will become a different person in 30 years, you should play an active role in crafting the person you are going to become. You get to be the creator of your future self. You should be the designer & developer of your future self.
What does this mean? It means you should expand your horizons. Do new things. Meet new people. Learn new skills and learn new concepts.
So suggestion #1 is to Stay Curious.
#2 Be humble, have humility
If we acknowledge that, in the future, we will be a different person, that means we will have different views and opinions. What we believe now, we may not believe in the future. Sometimes we will need to unthink & relearn what we think we know.
So, have humility for those around you, right now, who see this differently. Don't argue on social media, try to understand. You future self will thank you.
#3 Be Brave.
Our future self will have strength and wisdom that we do not have today. So when new opportunities come our way, we often hesitate. Just like the example I explained about Baseline controllers, or any new technology. There is hesitation. You might tell yourself that you don't have it in you to show up on a job site and not have all the answers.
You might tell yourself that you can't quit your job and start your own company. Or, you might tell yourself that you don't have it in you to learn how to ride a skateboard at the age of 55.
What we really should be saying is, "I don't have the skills or capacity to do that that. This doesn't mean I won't have the capacity to do that tomorrow. Or next week. Or next year. Or at sometime in the future.
The power is not saying no, or I can't, the power is in saying, I don't have those skills, YET.
And in order to learn those skills, and step into your future self, you must be BRAVE.
Be brave. Be fucking brave.
What seems easy for you, could take bravery from me. What seems easy to me, might take bravery from you.
So beware of those around you, and support the people you know to be BRAVE.
That is it!
So in summary, remember, you become your future self. You get to decide who your future self is, and you get to craft this person.
And, to craft this person, I suggest you develop the GROWTH mindset, that you stay CURIOUS, that you have HUMILITY, and that you are BRAVE.
And in 20 years, I cannot wait for my future self, to meet all the future yous...
Thank you for listening, I hope this episode landed in a good place, and I would love to have your feedback.
And remember, stay curious, be brave, have humility.
Nov 11, 2022
#090 - Should You Be A Pioneer?
The theme for this week is, Pioneer.
Should you be a pioneer? Should you pioneer something? Is being a pioneer an opportunity for success?
My default answer leading up to the week was, YES - yes, yes, yes.
Now my response is both YES & NO.
Oddly & coincidently, I listened to two podcasts this week that both spoke on this topic and both had the same message.
What was that message?
The first podcast wasn’t actually a podcast, it was a short video series I watched on a Delta flight with Howard D. Schultz, the former CEO of Starbucks. The series is titled, Howard Schultz: Teaches Business Leadership. Each episode is about 10 minutes long, and in my usual fashion, I tend to gravitate towards mentally stimulating media where I can learn something new - and I absolutely did - I actually had to rethink, what I thought I knew.
I’d like to play this short clip for you, from the episode, so you can hear Howard in his own words, explain this concept:
Wow, that just makes so much sense to me. And we can clearly see this behavior in our very own industry. Let me give you 3 examples:
A company that is no longer in business, yet, had unbelievable pioneering technology. This company was Accuwater.
Cool - so that summarizes the first audio clip that I made note of last week.
Now, let me let you about the 2nd, similar scenario.
Tuesday of this week, while doing an early recovery ride, in preparation for the Iceman mountain bike race happening this weekend, I was listening to the most recent episode of this Tim Ferris show, and his guest, Jim Collins. Jim is famously known for writing the books, Built to Last, and Good to great.
In this interview with Jim Collins, he spoke about his new book, Turning The Flywheel, and in this book, there was one quote that I had to write down. This quote nearly mirrored the previous quote from Howard Shultz.
Jim referenced another book titled, Will and Vision, by Gerard Tells & Peter Golder. In this book, the author demonstrates that the pioneering innovators in a new business arena almost never, (less than 10% of the time), become the big winners in the end!
This statement stopped me in my tracks.
Remember how at the beginning of this episode how my previous default thinking was, yes yes yes, to be a pioneer?
This turned that upside down.
Why would you choose to be a pioneer if the success rate is less than 10%? Again, I had to rethink & unlearn, what I thought I knew.
Let’s NOT pioneer, as Howard Shultz recommends, let’s disrupt!
I’ll play the quote from Jim Collins for you now.
Isn’t that incredible? I always considered myself and my personality as a Pioneer, and wore it like a badge of honor. Now, perhaps, I should think of it as a skill set, that can be used as a tool when needed, but it should not be the leading principle.
Nov 04, 2022
#089 - One Phone Call Away

"You are just one phone call away.."  

Last week I heard Steve Sims drop this gold nugget quote on a podcast as he gave advice to entrepreneurs - specifically how to make something BIG happen.

How do you get what you want in life? You pick up the phone, because "you are just one phone call away".

Somebody will have a goal in their life, they will want to make something big happen. This could be a salesperson trying to set a new company record, this could be a contractor trying to land the next high-profile construction project, and ironically, what most people do, is sit behind their computer, disconnected, and perfectly try to plan it out.

Instead, pick up your phone and call someone! You are likely only one degree of separation away from getting what you want, but you have to call. You have to pick up the phone.

Steve encourages people to go for stupid goals. Stupid, because it may seem so big and outrageous that your mind thinks it’s impossible. But remember, anything is possible. So, for lack of a better word, shoot for the moon, because it is possible. Go get yourself a BHAG, a Big Hairy Audacious Goal.

The reason Sprinkler Supply Store exists is that I picked up the phone and called my dear friend Matt Hart, and pitched him the idea.

What is your BHAG? I'd love to know.

Oct 28, 2022
#088 - What You Think About

"You become what you think about."  

1956 - That was the year Earl Nightingale recorded the motivational speech titled, "The Strangest Secret", and the secret he delivered was the concept, "you become what you think about."

2002 - That was the year I discovered (purchased) a CD version of this speech from Barnes & Noble in Columbia, Maryland. I was fresh out of college and had started my first sales job for Chapel Valley Landscape Company;  irrigation sales of course! 

Earl's simple little phrase changed my life - it was like everything just clicked. I got it. Everything just magically grew into place. Not quickly, and not in any particular order, but everything that I thought about back then, has now become (mostly) true.

Not only do you become what you think about; the power is that everything becomes a choice. You have a choice. You get to choose all of it.

Equally important is that who you choose to be, only matters to you. Not to anyone else. 

I often get caught here. Being or doing something that isn't exactly true to me. Learning to focus on what I really want takes both practice and intention. What do I want? Who do I want to be?  

What has helped, is choosing to surround myself with people who get me, who support me, and who help me become the best version of my future self.

Thank you for being here with me, I appreciate all of you, and I love hearing from you - even one sprinkler at a time ;)

Are you who you thought you would be?

I'd love to know.

Oct 21, 2022
#087 - Entrepreneurs Don't Complain About Problems

"Entrepreneurs don't complain about problems -- they solve them".  

This quote is from Porter Erisman, the former Vice President of Alibaba Group, joining the company just as it moved out of founder Jack Ma's apartment. In Porter's new book, Alibaba's World, he wrote about this concept and it hit me hard!

Could this be why people often refer to me as positive? Are all entrepreneurs positive? Perhaps, and, either way, it got me thinking about different personality types, and what makes an entrepreneur tick.

Through my lens, problems really are just opportunities that are yet to be solved. What could be an interesting way to reframe this, is that not all problems need to be solved, and when you look like that, the problem becomes a choice.

To solve or not to solve, that is the answer! Yes, no, or not yet...

Either way, the problem is no longer a problem, and there is no need to complain.

Oct 18, 2022
#086 - The Candle Society

Okay, I'll add notes. These are the exact notes that I scribbled before hitting the record button. This is NOT word-for-word, but I thought it would be fun to share my brain dump, and maybe you'll find it interesting.


Do you know that when they were trying to put the light bulb into production, THE CANDLE SOCIETY, yes apparently there was such a thing, The Candle Society protested against the light bulb because it was dangerous.
And FORD, Ford was actually protested against when they tried producing the car - and the reason for the protest - can your guess - I'll give you a moment - but it will make you laugh - the reason for the protest - "the car can't go through the woods, but my horse can". So they tried banning the whole thing.
As humans, we tend to like to consume things that are new, but we are not that good at adopting them. Just like the Technology Life Cycle Curve that I spoke about in the last episode. We like buying that new car, but then the following year when there is a facelift, most people don't like the facelift and it takes time to grow on them because as human beings we are actually not that good at change so we keep things down.
Remember how I spoke about the technology chasm? I'd like to propose a potentially simpler explanation. I'd like to propose that those us who use technology to improve our business, are "pre-chasm" people. Remember, this is made up of only 16% of the human population, 2.5" are the INNOVATORS, while 13.5% are the EARLY ADOPTERS. I'd like to propose that for this percentage of the population, change comes easily.
And that my friends is what makes technology difficult.
Technology alone is EASY.
CHANGE is hard.
And as we just discusses, 85% of the population does not like change.
So, if you are going to use technology to improve your business, or, you would simply like to improve your business in any way, you must begin to become familiar and comfortable with change. Change is the answer. How you run your business today, may not be how you need to run your business next week, next month, or next year.
Be Open. and be Open to Change. Be a light bulb, not a candle.
Oct 16, 2022
#085 - Technology Adoption Life Cycle - Where Do You Land?

Yep - no description. Just listen to what's on Andy's mind today.

Oct 14, 2022
#084 - Do You Talk To Your Customers?

Just listen to it. Typing these descriptions is a PITA ;)

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Sep 30, 2022
#083 - The Last Look Concept

Boom! This is the fastest podcast episode ever released. 

I encourage all of you to build better relationships so that you can earn what is called, THE LAST LOOK.


Sep 13, 2022
#082 - You Are An Entrepreneur

Honestly, I can never spell that word.

The E word.

Entre....what what?!?!?

Luckily there is spell check and I nailed the title, lol.

Please enjoy this episode, and my reminder is that you stop moving the starting line. Stop telling yourself you'll do it later, or you need to have _____ before _____ can happen.

Just go fucking start.

Peace out,


Sep 09, 2022
#081 - Authentic Customer Experiments

Andy and Denny ( Customer Service Manager) discuss 3 of their customer journey experiments.


1 - Bonjoro Personalized Videos

2- YouTube

3- Emails


Sep 02, 2022
#080 - Be Persistent, Look For Alternatives

Nugget of the week:

If you don't get the answer you are looking for, keep asking, and then keep asking, then ask again in a different way, and then go find what you are looking for on your own. 


Because nobody cares as much as you do. And if you really really care, you will find what it is you are seeking.

This also applies to your customers. Advocate for them, on their behalf. Have their back. Look for alternate options that will give them what they need.

Care about your customers as much as your customers care about themselves.

Aug 26, 2022
#079 - Andy Jams on the Service Business Mastery Podcast

This week, Andy was invited to speak with Tersh Blissett and Josh Crouch on the Service Business Mastery Podcast

Jul 21, 2022
#078 - Allset Founder & CEO, Justin Clegg, Lehi Utah

In this episode, Andy talks with Justin Clegg, the Founder & CEO of Allset.

Allset is a new standard in home services payments. Allset makes it easy for businesses to automate payments, unlock revenue, build an online presence and much more.


Mention Sprinkler Nerd and $75/mo on your subscription.

Jul 08, 2022
#077 - Alternative Power Controllers with Mike Merlesena, DIG Corp

In this episode, Andy chats with Mike Merlesena, the National Commercial Sales Manager for DIG Corporation. They explore alternative power controllers, battery controllers, sales strategies, and more.


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Jun 10, 2022
#076 - The Best Contractors
Do you know who the best contractors are? 
Do you know why the best businesses are successful?
They are NOT the contractors who install MP Rotators over fixed spray nozzles. They are NOT the contractors who choose Rain Bird 5000 rotors over Hunter PGPs. They are NOT the contractors who pitch Wi-Fi controllers over standard timers. They are NOT the contractors who say soil moisture sensors are better than weather-based systems, they are NOT the contractors who say head-to-head coverage is better than single row coverage. They are NOT the contractors who don't mix sprays and rotors on the same zone.
The BEST businesses in the world, are the ones who care the most about their customers.
You must out care your competition.
May 17, 2022
#075 - The Sprinkler Revolution, with Irrigreen CEO Shane Dyer
"If all inventions from the beginning had been guaranteed then there would never have been any inventions.
If we are successful it will be something unprecedented.
That is the start of a revolution.
Someday, someone will ask you, “where were you when the revolution started?”
I hope for your sake you don’t have to answer, “it just passed us by.”
Because we were all too scared"

Those are the famous words used by
Joachim Sauter to get funding for his startup company, Terravision, the inventors of Google Earth.
Similarly, in this episode, Andy talks with Shane Dyer, the CEO of Irrigreen about the Sprinkler Revolution and how Irrigreen is disrupting all of it.
May 10, 2022
#074 - Wireless Irrigation Automation with Alex Palin, CEO of IRRIOT
Andy chats with Alex Palin, the CEO & Co-Founder of IRRIOT.
IRRIOT stands for, Irrigation Internet of Things
IRRIOT is a Swedish innovation start-up in the forefront of wireless intelligent precision irrigation solutions for agriculture. They utilize the latest ultra-long-range radio communication to eliminate all expensive in-field wiring. Their solar-powered watering stations (RTUs) are environmentally friendly and maintenance-free. As the backbone, they have a full-scale industrial irrigation controller, including access to IoT cloud for data intelligence, alarms, and weather forecasts through mobile and web apps.
Apr 22, 2022
#073 - Get Connected, Cellular Technology You Should Be Using
Cellular technology is a great way to remotely access controllers and equipment without requiring the client to provide an internet connection (wifi or cabled).

In this episode, Andy speaks with Justin Nichols, the National Sales Manager for OptConnect, about cellular devices and what to expect as more and more devices are connected to the cloud.

You'll learn the difference between 3G, 4G, 5G, LTE, Cat M1, and the advantages to partnering with an expert like OptConnect.



Justin Nichols, OptConnect:

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Apr 15, 2022
#072 - Collegiate Landscape Leader - Alex Stanton, Kansas State University

After starting his lawn mowing business in 2014, Alex quickly fell in love with the Green Industry. When he discovered the Horticulture and Natural Resources Department at Kansas State University, Alex knew it was his place. He serves as the Horticulture Club Vice President, an Undergraduate Teaching Assistant for multiple classes, and NCLC Team Leader. He has also represented Kansas State as a 2021 Landscapes Student Ambassador, 2021 IA Show E3 Learner, 2022 NCLC Irrigation Design event winner while also placing top 10 in Construction Cost Estimating, Irrigation Troubleshooting, and Hardscape Installation. While doing all of this, he also owns his own small business in the Kansas City area, Stanton Lawn Services LLC.

Apr 08, 2022
#071 - The Possibility Mindset
In this episode Andy riffs on the mental mindset of possibility and how to train your mind to accomplish anything.


it is possible.
When you think it,
you create it.
Watch out,
resistance guards it.
Discover the resistance,
understand the resistance,
learn from the resistance.
Lessons from resistance will guide you to the possible.
Follow it,
see it,
make it,
be it,
it is possible.
You made it possible.
Mar 23, 2022
#070 - Power to the People, Power to the Nerds
This episode is just for fun but is so real.

What are you disrupting? How are you moving the needle in your business, in your career, in your life? Are you standing around watching everyone blow smoke while you secretly question everything? Take the power back!

You have the power, go use it!

Mar 10, 2022
#069 - Help Wanted - How to Hire Top Talent with Jody Underhill, Rapid Hire Pro
In this episode, Andy talks with Jody Underhill, the founder of about using social media to hire top talent who are currently working for another company.


We didn't start out helping recruitment agencies,… hell… we never even imagined that we would be able to use our superpowers like this at all…
We’ve been helping companies market online…. almost since the beginning of Digital Marketing.

Our offering was born out of requests from companies like yours to help them solve a pressing need in today’s economy.

Finding qualified people who “want to work” and “want a career”… not just a job… Oh! and they want to work for companies that have a great culture and solve problems for people in their community.

It takes a special marketing strategy to get your offer in front of the kind of people you want to have representing your company and brand.

Mar 04, 2022
#068 - People Are Not A Number, Advice from Dennis Roberts, Ford Franchise Owner

In this episode, Andy talks with Dennis Roberts, the owner of Hillsboro Ford Franchise about how to build a strong customer relationship in an industry known for killing them.

Feb 25, 2022
#067 - LIVE from Anguilla, where water matters.

In this episode, Andy records an unedited live episode with Paul Bassett on the Caribbean island of Anguilla.

Feb 16, 2022
#066 - Change Your Latitude - Change Your Attitude

In this episode, Andy shares his trip to Los Angeles and a couple of ear nuggets along the way.

Jan 29, 2022
#065 - NEW Root Quencher™ Saves Trees!

Meet Robert & Maria Summers, the inventors & founders of the Root Quencher™ deep root watering system.

Before developing the Root Quencher™ products, Robert had been frustrated for years trying to figure out how to get enough water to trees while not flooding normal planters. The water bills had gotten out of control and a lot of his deep-rooted landscaping was not thriving. He needed a smart way to deliver enough water to quench the roots of fruit trees, regular trees, and bushes without wasting water. As for fertilizing, he’d been struggling with putting down fertilizers on the ground, scratching it into the surface around the drip line, and watering it in, hoping it reached the roots that were 9”-22” under the surface. It never seemed quite right or sensible to him.

As he installed early prototypes of the Root Quencher™, he found that he could use less water, control the flow to balance zones that contained regular planting beds or grass, as well as help his landscaping thrive. He’d rejected the notion that somehow an expensive drip system could give his landscaping the right amount of water and could work in conjunction with his existing sprinkler systems. Short of tearing out all of his irrigation systems and starting over, he pursued the Root Quencher™ as the solution.

In Deep Irrigation is both a woman-owned and minority-owned business. Their products are made in the USA, specifically in California, and cater to the needs of Southern Californians looking to get the most enjoyment out of their gardens—and to save water and costs along the way!

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Jan 21, 2022
#064 - The Future of Commerce Is Here

The future of commerce is here, it is just not distributed yet - no pun intended, ha! Andy shares a recent shopping story and illustrates how the contractor purchasing process will soon be changing. Imagine a time when you don't have to get our of your vehicle and your supplier loads your truck - this is coming soon!

Jan 14, 2022
#063 - Irrigation Predictions for 2022

Andy is joined by Paul Bassett [ENVOCORE], to help reflect on the predictions they made in 2020. Tune in as they share their thoughts on their predictions from last year, answer questions along the way, and make new predictions for 2022.

Dec 31, 2021
#062 - The Grasshole System with Ken Kwiatkowski

Andy met Ken after his recent trip to the Irrigation Show in San Diego, and in this episode, they unpack the Grasshole System and how Ken launched the product in less than 6 months.

Dec 23, 2021
#061 - 6 New Products at The Irrigation Show

Andy explores 6 new products on display at the 2021 Irrigation Show in San Diego.

#1 - Rain Bird Flow Indicating Filter Basket

#2 - Root Quencher

#3 - Grasshole System

#4 - Baseline Precip Sensor

#5 - Every Drop Meters

#6 - Maximum H2O

Dec 20, 2021
#060 - We Don't Need Roads

When you think of the future, talk about the future, predict the future - you are not wrong!

Dec 15, 2021
#059 - Differentiate Yourself

Andy talks about "getting different" and why you should be the orange in the bin of apples. He shares specific examples from his career - how being different was an advantage.

Book: Get Different, by Mike Michalowicz

Dec 03, 2021
#058 - Teflon™ Isn’t a Thing…

In this episode, Andy shares a story about a trademark violation over the use of the name Teflon.

Did you know that....

Teflon™ Isn’t a Thing…It’s a Brand!

Teflon™ is a world-famous brand that’s owned by Chemours.

The Teflon™ brand identifies products made with Chemours raw materials, like fluoropolymer or industrial coatings. Over time, many people have mistakenly referred to the tape as "Teflon tape." We thought it was important to let you know that.

If somebody offers to sell you "Teflon tape" when you need plumber or thread seal tape, they're either wrong or misleading you. Make an informed purchase and be aware that Chemours has not authorized any plumber tape to be sold as "Teflon tape."

Teflon™ is a registered trademark of Chemours.


Who knew?!?


Nov 23, 2021
#057 - Think Smart Soil

Andy shares a story about a recent visit to Hudson Yards in NYC and his Smart Soil thought concept.

Nov 19, 2021
#056 - Trying or Dying (in 3/4 time)

In this episode, you will go inside the mind of Andy as he shares what motivates him, when makes him tick, and why he believes there are only 2 choices - trying or dying.


Stangest Secret Refernence:

Aug 20, 2021
#055 - Scaling Your Business with Service Titan - Jeff Soch, GM of NAIAD Irrigation

In this episode, we get first-hand experience from Jeff Soch, the General manager of NAIAD Irrigation, about how he uses Service Titan to scale their business and put the power in the service technician's hand.

Jul 30, 2021
#054 - Conversational Text Messaging with Raj Suchak, CEO of Grid Seed

Andy chats with Raj, the founder and CEO of, a conversational text messaging platform. Grit Seed is a software startup based in Buffalo NY that is on a mission to help organizations change how they connect with their customers using the power of texting, videos, and mobile experiences.

Try it for free by texting "Podcast" to 231-241-2121

Jul 23, 2021
#053 - Caller Feedback, Plants, Soil, Water = Value

Andy plays a live message from the Sprinkler Nerd Hotline and discusses plants, soil, water, and how understanding more about these 3 areas could be a great way to add value to your business.

Would you like to call the Sprinkler Nerd Hotline?

Call: 231-383-6042

Jul 02, 2021
#052 - Being An Expert - What It Means

Andy touches on being an expert, what it means, and the benefits to you both personally and professionally.


Reminder to call the Sprinkler Nerd Hotline and say hello!


Call: 231-383-6042

Jun 25, 2021
#051 - Sprinkler Nerd Hotline, 231-383-6042

Introducing the Sprinkler Nerd Hotline. Want a shout-out on a future episode?

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Jun 18, 2021
#050 - Attitude of Gratitude

Andy goes solo for the 50th episode celebration!


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Jun 04, 2021
#049 - Andy Sits in the Hot Seat, and Denny Asks the Questions

In this episode, Andy sits in the hot seat and Denny Richards asks the questions. Denny is the Customer Service Manager at and asks a series of impromptu questions that Andy answers on the fly.


You'll learn what it means to be a Sprinkler Nerd, why Distributors should stop taking orders, how and understanding the effect that a soil moisture sensor has on run time, start time, and schedules, will make you a better irrigator.

May 28, 2021
#048 - The WiFi Evangelist, Kevin Battistoni of Hunter Industries

Andy chats with Kevin Battistoni, aka, The WiFi Evangelist of Hunter Industries about how wifi technology is changing the way contractors do business.



Kevin Battistoni is the Midwest sales manager for Hunter Industries based out of the Chicagoland area. Baptized in sprinkler water, this fourth-generation irrigator spent two decades in the family business rolling around in the dirt before trading his shovel in for a broom, working in the green industry supply chain.


During his decade in distribution, Kevin played all positions including store manager and outside sales with a focus on landscape lighting, drainage, and water features.


With over a decade of service at Hunter/FX, he experienced a rebirth with the world of connected devices entering the green industry.


Now the self-titled “Software Salesman” has become a WiFi controller evangelist and is on a mission to educate green industry professionals around the world.

May 21, 2021
#047 - How Chad Touchet lost $700k and Why He Pivoted into Manufacturing

Andy chats with Chad Touchet, former irrigation contractor, and current product manufacture. Learn how Chad lost $700k, and how found hidden profits in his contracting business.

Chad is the founder of,,, and

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May 14, 2021
#046 - The Profitable Contractor Book, with Author Steve Dale

In this episode you will hear from Steve Dale, author of The Profitable Contractor; How to Attract Better Clients, Make More Money, and Create The Contracting Business You Really Want.

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"The reality is that your business model is screwing you. You just can't see it yet."

"There is no more, *sharpening your pencil*, on your numbers."

"The truth is, contractors are a rare breed. There aren't enough of you."




May 08, 2021
#045 - OtO Lawn, Smart Home Sprinkler & Garden Treatment System with Ali Sabti

In this episode, you will hear from Ali Sabti, the Founder & President of OtO Lawn, the world's first smart home sprinkler and garden treatment system.

Learn how Ali came up with the OtO Lawn idea, how he brought the product to market, and about the specific product-market-value fit.

May 02, 2021
#044 - Default Thinking Could Kill You

Join Andy for a short mindset episode where he shares his thoughts on a recent Facebook discussion about OtO Lawn and how to position your mind for positive thinking and to always be wearing curiosity lenses.

Mar 13, 2021
#043 - Top 5 Hunter Products for 2021 with Kevin Lewis

Kevin Lewis, Sales Manager for Hunter Industries shares his Top 5 products for 2021.


You know, it's a, it's a common thing for me to say to contractors when I'm speaking to them in a training, you ever have homeowners who complain about when you come to do your spring turnout and you hit them with a big bill, the whole room will say, yeah, of course we do. Yeah, we do. You know, I've said like, have you ever thought about explaining this to them and saying like, we noticed this stuff when we were here, winterizing in October or November, September, we don't fix them typically.


Then we make notes and we'd come back and fix them. But the point is that all of these problems have a broken head, a maybe a break in a pipe, a valve issue. These things didn't happen the day before we showed up here to winterize your system, they happened to all season long. And since there's nothing in place to detect it, it just went undetected.


You are an irrigation, professional, older, new who designs installs or maintains high end residential commercial or municipal properties. And you want to use technology to improve your business, to get a leg up on your competition. Even if you're an old school irrigator from the days of hydraulic systems, this show is for you.


Hey, what's up guys. Welcome back to another episode of the sprinkler nerd show. I'm your host, Andy Humphrey. And this is episode 43. Today. I have a special guest. His name is Kevin Lewis and he is the sales manager for Hunter industries in the greater New York Metro area. Kevin welcome to the sprinkler nerd show.


So glad to have you with us today. Thanks for having me. It's great to be here. Appreciate it to have you on the show for a couple reasons. Number one, because I think you've got a pretty unique background in this industry and you've worked in various parts of the industry. And then number two, You know, we've got a lot of interest for Hunter hunters, you know, doing a great job in market nationally with new products.


And so I'm excited to kind of talk about the top five new products for Hunter this year. So before we do that, why don't you just tell us a little bit about yourself? Okay. Well I grew up from a pretty young age working in distribution I'm from long Island and Around here. It's kind of pretty common for people to kind of bring their kids into the distributor branch that they work for.


And that's, I was one of those guys just working the summers with my dad.  who's a retired New York city police officer. And yeah, I spent the summers going in working, you know, running rolls of pipe around the building and carrying stuff out to contractors, trucks, doing warranty stuff. And now just around, around the business, kind of my whole life from that perspective, Worked summers throughout high school and then into college.


Um, my father actually became a contractor. He did a little bit of a reverse progression through his irritation career. He was working for a distributor and then ultimately went out to be a contractor at age, I think 51 or something. So I spent some time working with him in the field, installing and learning the business from that angle.


 ultimately after graduate in college, I ended up going back to distribution. I worked selling and supporting commercial projects throughout the Northeast.  we sold a bunch of your products at the time, but you know, Kevin, the the baseline guy of the Northeast for Atlantic irrigation. Yeah, for yeah.


And a successful there met a lot of people got introduced to a lot of people. Um, and then ultimately I left and was actually the Neta from rep for a year, and then that's throughout the Northeast and then moved over to Hunter and now I'll be coming up on five years as the rep for Hunter supporting long Island, New York city.


Westchester New York and Fairfield County, which is like Southern portion of Connecticut. So, wow. Yeah. And for those of you listening that aren't familiar with this part of the Newark, that there's a lot of people that live in that part of New York, but I relative to, you know the people I work with, I have a relatively small.


Territory physically, but just jam packed with action and projects and stuff. So, yeah. So when you say the sales manager for New York, Metro, can you, can you help us maybe more specifically, like where do you. Live or work out of? Yeah, I work out of, I live in long Island or on long Island, as we say around here, long Island, long Island on long Island.


I didn't long now live on long Island. I've lived here pretty much. My whole life kind of live in the center of the Island. I would say, which is good because there's a lot kind of happening on all ends of the Island, the East end of long Island, a big area for. You know, projects, biggest States and things being built out and constantly work being done over there on the, on the West side, you have Manhattan, New York city, which everybody kind of knows of some really big high profile projects going on in New York city.


I could jump on a bridge, get be in the city. I could jump on a bridge being get North of the city into Westchester County. So it's a good spot to be in. There's a lot of, a lot, a lot happening, a lot of work going on, fast paced and tense. But definitely rewarding and fun. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So take us back.


I'd like to kind of, and this is, I don't know this, how old were you when you say you first kind of started with your dad? You four or were you 14? I think I was like, you know, nine or so nine, 10, something like that. Nine, 10, 11. I honestly don't remember. I mean, I know my, I know when my dad retired from the police department, And by the time I was 10, he was definitely working in distribution.


So it was probably somewhere around that age. Okay. So he w he retired from the police department, went to work for the irrigation distributor.  which one was that? Atlantic irrigation. Deer park. Atlanta. Okay. And which branch? Specifically? Deer park. Long Island. The original store. Yep. Deer park. Okay right there near highway two, three, one, right?


31 traffic. You got a lot of friends. That's a side joke. So you were nine or 10 and your dad was going. He just started working for the distributor in retirement, right? It's just kind of stay busy is a lot of retired, New York city fireman. A lot of New York city police officers would retire. Listen, think about it at my age, I could have 20 years in on the job.


I have a friend of mine has got 20 years as a cop. Done. I mean, he could retire right now at 41 years old. So it's, you know, my dad was a little older than that, but not by much. Yeah, absolutely. That's mid-career for a lot of people, you know, Yeah. So what kind of things were you getting yourself into at Atlantic when you'd go in to help him in the beginning, it was we've, we've got a warranty been or return a bunch of back in the day, used to be garbage cans, you know, with just dirty heads and stuff thrown in there for warranty.


And I used to have to go through and, you know, check the dates on them, write up a list, Mark them all up, put box them up. And then Get ready to ship them back. It was pretty dirty, disgusting, disgusting job that they give a 10 or 11 year old. Dude. I, I was in a irrigation distributor branch two weeks ago and they still had the trash can full of RMA.


They still do it. You're right. That's funny. Yeah. So I guess I wanted to, it's important, you know, you and I have known each other, I've kind of known that you worked in the business, but this was just a chance for me to ask you a little bit deeper questions, because I think that when you're working in this industry, it is important to know.


How our customers what it's like to stand in their shoes at all levels of the business, because then you know what it's like to do their job and you can relate to them. So often someone will, will start working at a manufacturer that, you know, came from selling something completely different and they can't relate to customers.


And so I think your streamline relatable person. Can't agree with you any more than what you just said, and I'm not trying to paint myself out to be so great, but you, you see people come in the industry and they just can't relate. They don't speak the same language. They haven't been there. A lot of sales guys like to tell you, you know what the, you know, the marketing pieces that the company is passing off, this is how it should be.


Well, have you ever tried doing that in the field? Do you know about. You know, X, Y, and Z, these challenges that we face. And I do have the experience of, of kind of tackling this industry from all angles. And I think that does it, it makes it a lot easier. Like you said, for me to relate to contractors, people who are actually using our products, kind of know the pain points even with, with the people that work in distribution and as a manufacturer's representative now, I, I think I tend to know when, to, you know what, let me just take that off his plate because I know it's going to drive him crazy, you know, whatever, whatever the case might be.


Um, I understand the position that most of these people are in. Well, I think, you know, that's why I'm asking you to kind of join me today because you're not just a sales guy. I would, I would believe that your customers think of you as almost, you know, for lack of a better word, their trusted advisor.


They're going to go to Kevin for help and expertise. Not just because you rep Hunter, but because you know things yeah. They can help them. I think that's true. I think that there's something to that and I don't. I tend to think of myself very much as a bit of a sales guy. I'm not that type of person.


I'm not going to jam product any throat. I'm not going to sell you something just to sell it to you. I, I, you know, I I've advised people to use maybe different product. Cause I thought it was a better fit, but I, you know, as, as we've talked about that, I think that comes back to you in the end. Just to kind of summarize, you worked in distribution, processing, RMAs, sweeping the floor, doing whatever else, whatever else your dad or, or Atlantic wanted you to do at that time at nine or 10, then you said you helped your dad with his contracting business.


He moved out of Atlantic and started doing irrigation contracting. And then I know you worked for Atlantic as their commercial sales and sort of central control and specification, right? Yep. Then onto to Netafim and now to Hunter. So what you have covered is like grunt work from the distributor, the bottom of the totem pole, right?


Um, through each aspect of the industry all the way up to right now, where now you get to influence. The business because Hunter is manufacturing, new products that did not exist before that's changing the way these guys, this industry works, you know, I think it's fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, if I, if I told her it, wasn't having fun, I'd be lying to you.


I mean, I genuinely love my job. If there was a one job in the local area that I could choose, I, there would be this one. So I'm perfectly content love dealing with the people I deal with. And it's fun. I have a good time. Yeah, there you go. You guys heard it here. First. We're going to get this, this we're going to, Kevin's going to shoot straight from Hunter.


When we jump into the five, his, his top five products for 2021. So I know Hunter has got a lot of stuff coming out this year and I've asked Kevin to share.  from, from your lens, what you think are the top five products. And again, this will be the New York Metro area, but there's a lot of crossover nationally.


So let's get right into that. What's a what's product number one. Yeah. Well, every every year for the past, I think three years our marketing team has put out a document called what's new for, I think it started in 2019, went to 20, 20 and 20.  now 2021. So this year yep. We have the document again.


Um, it has definitely served as a talking point. You know, everybody can refer to the document. This is what we've got, kind of bounce through all the new stuff.  like you said, I've kind of chosen the five coolest. Products that I think from that document and yeah, we'll go through them now. So we're coming up on five years actually, of a Hunter having and selling Hydrawise controllers.


But if you saw what we started out with five years ago, versus what we've got now, it is wildly different. I mean, I'm talking from a hardware perspective to a software, you know, the app, how it, how it operates the whole back. End of it. It's actually very cool to see how this thing has progressed. And one of the things that we've been pushing is flow meters for Hydrawise and it's just kind of takes care of the whole hydraulic troubleshooting and notifying of problems with our Hydrawise systems.


If something breaks in the field, we'll get a notification about it. So it's a great great product, great theory and everything. The issue is that. A lot of times when you're retrofitting a controller back into an existing system and installing a flow meter can be difficult. And mainly the biggest issue is getting a wire path to that, to that flow meter.


So for years we've been telling people, listen, you have to use a separate wire path. It should be shielded cable and know we've got plenty of guys who were doing it. But again, like I said, that the issue has been the Getting that wire up there. So this year we've actually launched a wireless flow meter.


And what it is is it's basically, if, if anybody's used to the Hydrawise flow meters, they are brass constructive flow meters, three quarter, one inch inch, and a half, two inch. We're still going to sell you those same solid flow meters differences that there's going to be a communication piece that goes with it.


So you're going to have a 915 megahertz, a dome antenna. On the side of the, of the meter itself. And then you'll have a fin antenna. That's gonna hang off the side of the controller. It's good for a 500 feet line of sight. And yeah, the dome antenna we're suggesting taking a three and a quarter inch hole saw drilling through the top of the ballot box.


There's you'll stick the dome piece on that, through the top of the valve box. And then there's a nut to tightens down to a hold the the communication piece in place. So I think we're officially, it's officially going to launch April 1st or something like that.  everybody has speak to it's the first thing they asked me how's that, you know, it was the wireless meter out.


So we should roll a lot of excitement from that. Right. Right. So let's talk for a minute. Let's just step back. So when we talk about a flow meter with Hydrawise, can you still wire one to the country? Oh, a hundred percent. Yeah. I mean, it's, again, we're still, we're selling you the same meter. So if you've got the whole shielded cable, separate wire path worked out.


Definitely go on and keep doing that because as everybody knows, a wired connection is better than wireless. Yeah. And then inside the Hydrawise app or the controller, which model controllers does this work with? Any of them that read flow. So it's going to be the HC, the HPC, the PHC and the HCC. It's everything.


But the external, I think it is. And then what capabilities does this unlock beyond, you know, reading. 16 gallons a minute. What does the, what can the Hydrawise do with this? Yeah, I mean, that's, you know, we've been doing training classes all week and you know, I think the majority of people, their approach to selling flowmeters is off.


We don't care. I mean, we w we can figure out the gallons per minute. We can do all that. That's not the benefit in it. The benefit in it is to find out problems with the S with a irrigation system as they're happening. You know, it's a common thing for me to say to contractors. When I'm speaking to them in a training, you have to have homeowners who complain about when you come to do your spring turnout and you hit them with a big bill.


The whole room will say, yeah, of course we do. Yeah, we do. And you know, I've said like, have you ever thought about explaining this to them and saying like, we noticed this stuff when we were here, winterizing in October or November, September, we don't fix them typically. Then we make notes and we'd come back and fix them.


But the point is that all of these problems have a broken head maybe a break in a pipe, a valve issue. These things didn't happen the day before we showed up here to winterize your system, they happened to all season long and. Since there's nothing in place to detect it. It just went undetected. So you had a, a landscape that wasn't receiving the proper irrigation.


You had things that were broken, you were wasting water. It's a lot of different things that you, that happened that probably happened and went on from for months unaddressed, because your system runs at three, four or five o'clock in the morning and no one's looking so you can pretty much real-time detect issues with the system, which is great.


Um, just things that are just running inefficiently. The other side of things is unscheduled flow. So our, our controllers know th they know the schedule for the irrigation system and the system is designed to run. You know, for example, it runs from 5:00 AM to 9:00 AM. It's 1:00 AM, and there's water flowing through that meter.


So what's going on. I mean, w we will send you real time notifications to let you know any time, whatever the thresholds that you, the contract is set within our software. Whenever those thresholds are met, I'm going to send you a notification. So I like to explain it as almost like an insurance policy for landscape personally, I, I had an irrigation system, believe it or not flooded my basement.


So if I had hydrolyzed in place that wouldn't happen, I kind of positioned it that way to people too. But it's, if you're selling flow meters as a way to detect water usage or monitor or totalize, what are you saying? It's really the wrong approach. Okay, cool. And it sounds like there's a lot of irrigation systems out there in the world that you guys are retrofitting.


Right? Five years ago, 10 years ago. People had a pro C and ICC controller. Right. And now you're retrofitting them. They don't have flow meters. So if you want to retrofit and add a flow meter or flow sensor to an existing property, what you said, running that wire from the controller to the flow meter is the limiting factor.


So it sounds like this is going to unlock. Opportunities for not only the contractors to provide more services, but for the homeowners to enhance their systems or the commercial property that they couldn't do before. Yeah. Big time. I mean, big time. I, I don't, I really don't know what the split is. I mean, I have to think where I have to think we're selling more or Hydrawise controllers in a retrofit situation than in a install situation.


I think the retrofits got us in the door with the contractors. It gave them something to go out and sell at this point. Now the guys that are comfortable with Hydrawise there, it's pretty much standardized. That's what they're installing on with new systems. And in that case, they're getting a flow meter most of the time, right?


But as you said on those retrofit situations, it becomes tough to do, you know, contractors a little bit torn between, you know, spending a ton of time having to charge for it, or just a, you know, getting the controller in there and, you know, taking advantage of all the other benefits other than the flow meter.


But I do believe that the wireless will definitely open up a hole. Yeah, I completely agree with you. And all they have to do is find a suitable place in the main line right before the first valve somewhere. Yep. Install the flow meter. And then in this Val box that you said you drill a hole on the top of the lid, put the little dome antenna in the box and then put, what did you call the other one?


A fin fin antenna. Yeah, it's a fin antenna. It just, I mean, I have one over here, but when this is over, maybe a directional kind of antenna. Yeah, it's a, it's shaped like a fin like that. Yep. And then the flow meter can talk to the controller wirelessly. That's awesome. Exciting stuff. Cool. All right. Let's move on to product.


Number two. Well, product number two, kind of joined two products, one from Canada last year that. That launched and was wildly popular in this market, for sure. Popular both in sales and performance.  we launched a decoder module for our ICC two controller, which is the same chassis, the same controller as the Hydrawise version, the HCC controller it's, we're calling it the easy D easy to coder system or easy DM for easy to code module.


So we have that now that goes into the HCC and the ICC controller. Which will open up that controller, even in a plastic cabinet to a total of 54 zones, which is pretty incredible. It can use existing wire paths, you know, based on integrity. You could take any two 18 gauge wires, for example, and you could run, I think it's 908 feet on that 18, 18 gauge strand.


So you can keep, if you had a 10 zone system and you wanted to add on, you can leave all those 10 conventionals zones in place. And then grab two wires, convert them into a two wire path convert from there on, into a Dakota. And would you be converting the whole system to Dakotas or just that does just the new area.


You could do it either way, but I mean, personally, if everything, and eventually it was fine, I'd leave the conventional stuff alone. And now you're making a split hybrid controller. Cool. Um, again, up to that 54 station max, so there's tons of room to add on now that was so popular in the ICC and HCC. We actually brought that down to Prosi.


So on the pro see, now there is a Dakota module that you can pop in there and get to 32 stations. Got it. So let me step back again. So last year, what model controllers did the easy Dakota work with? Easy to code or module launched last year or possibly even the end of the year before for the ICC, which is our commercial control light commercial controller and the HCC, which is the Hydrawise Virgin of the ICC.


You can interchange those two faceplates in the same chassis.  so the module launched for the ICC or HCC, which was really well received. And then we brought it down into the. Privacy. So you can get to 32 stations in a prophecy. There's also a conventional model just for, for what it's worth.  there's also conventional mind for the procedure.


That'll get you to 23 stations in a proceed. Okay. Rumor has that. The proceed version will end up on Hydrawise as well. Okay. And all of these controllers that you mentioned, ICC HCC prosy are all Hydrawise compatible or connected. Well, the cool, the thing about Hunter is, you know, we, we build it on a platform and we everything's kind of interchangeable, you know, we have a procedure which most people are familiar with.


It's a modular controller. We have a, each PC, which is a Hydrawise proceed. Faceplate, that'll pop right into that same process. Your controller on the ICC side, same, it's kind of built on the same dial and button programming as the prophecy. If you're an expert on a pro seat, you're an expert on the ICC pretty much.


And the same thing you got a an HCC panel. That we'll swap right into that ICC two and it becomes a Hydrawise controller. Okay, awesome. So easy to coders for the pro C controller in 2021, and then opening up that opportunity for hybrid, where you can take an existing ball field that has 12 zones, and they're building a new field.


You can then go run two wire, easy to coders out to that new expansion. Yep. Awesome. Great. All right, let's move on to number three. Number three. Well, pretty much everybody who ran out and started installing easy to coders. A lot of times they were familiar with our ACC controller and our ICD decoders that go with it.


We have an ICD HP, which is a handheld programmer and diagnostic tool for our ICD decoders. So I just jumped ahead, dumped a lot of acronyms on your right there, but I know man, ICC HPC, E Z, you need a, you need a flow chart to follow along, but people who bought into and started installing are easy to coders.


They loved it. There. The one thing that everybody would come out with right in the beginning was. This system is fantastic. When are you going to have a handheld program or a diagnostic tool? And obviously we went back to Hunter and, you know, they were already working on it. So we have launched an easy D T, which is a, the easy diagnostic tool.


Which you can get a bunch of diagnostic information, including Dakota status and station number and things wirelessly much like our ICD HP does this also has programming ports on it. So you can field programmed from Val box. So that's, that's kind of the scenario that I got hit with the most is No, we're building out to keep up with the landscape.


We're on a new project. We keep keeping it cold every other week to irrigate a certain area. And we're dropping easy. Decoders in irrigation guys are really specific of how their programming is and at the end, and they want to clean it up. They don't want one to be in front of the house, two in the back three on the side.


So they wanted to be able to go around and reprogram the order of those decoders from the field. So that way, I, that was one of the biggest callings for a programming tool. So we have the tool. Now you can do it right from the valve box.  you will have to take your two wire leads off the decoder, pop them in the programming ports, give it an address and then make your final connection right there.


Okay. A couple of quick questions, the first one, talk to talk to us about how the diagnostic tool works wirelessly. So what does that mean? I mean, there's an infrared end on the, on the front of the. Device and it just it is a yeah, it's wireless, but that's like a, it's not a a megahertz or a radio wave.


It's a, LightWave infrared conduction of electrical conduction between the bottom of the decode and not to, not to, not, to, not to crowbar on a six item in here, but we do, we do have Dakota steaks that we're launching this year, too. So those Dakota steaks are designed to be pounded into a valve box to keep that decoder, whether it's ours or pretty much fits everybody, every manufacturer's decoder.


And I'll keep the bottom of the decoder out of the mess. So you can come back around with your diagnostic tool, just pointed at the bottom of the Dakota and get all your readings right there. And what kind of readings are you getting out of that? What's it telling you? You're finding out decoder status.


 you can get stationed number. I think you get some voltage readings. Truth of the matter is I got this, I think yesterday shipped. Okay. I'm not an expert yet on using it because it's brand new.  does the decoder need to be powered up by the controller for this to work? The Dakota would need to be powered up by the controller to get the readings.


The Dakota would have to be removed from the wire path in order to program to program it is station number, right? Okay. So you'll get the readings without touching any, anything on the wall, our path. Again, if you're using those Dakota steaks on the bottom of that Dakota is facing right out of the valve box, flip the valve box over bone points and get your readings and Yeah, that's great, man, because sometimes with two wire, it's like troubleshooting in the dark with your clothes, right?


Sometimes field service technicians. Don't always know where to go. The experience ones. No, but the mid to junior level, sometimes don't know where to go to the slate and find the problem. And you know, I hear a lot that Dakotas are returned, this that are suspect that they've failed and they're not failed because it was just a wiring issue somewhere.


So. Perhaps that tool will help service technicians isolate the problems quicker. Yeah. Well, when I, when I show up on site with an ACC or ACC tool with a handheld programmer, like you mentioned some of the guys that are less experienced with Dakota diagnostics, They see that and think about what they had been doing for the last three days at the site rep and Dakota that try and program them.


So that that tool is, is is very cool. And this one's going to be likewise and I forgot to mention, by the way, the easy decoder system is a 24 volt system. So it's not like a traditional decoder. So most of your diagnostics are going to fall in line with what your conventional diagnostics are going to be.


So not too special about diagnosing the system, which is another thing that makes it easy. Awesome. Cool. All right. Let's move on to number four. All right. Sounds good.  number four, I have for you is our amazing PGP ultra. We have now launched it in a six inch riser. So it's a really extremely popular head for us for the industry it's like hugely popular where, where we are performance is great.


You know, I think most people know a lot of the specs on it. It's got a part circle truthful circle in one.  memory arch return, which just snaps heads, right back into adjustment, all the same specs as a regular PGP ultra, just with the two inch larger rise up from the STEM. Yeah. So great. That opens, that brings up another question.


You know, the, the PGP ADJ, you know, is likely one of the most popular rotors of all time and you can still purchase it today. And why would someone. Still use the ADJ when they can buy the PGP ultra. You know, what, where I'm sitting right now is in, is everybody's very familiar that there are two heads out there.


And one is a, an ultra. Some people are just stuck in their ways. They liked the nozzling. They liked the spray pattern of a, of an ADJ. Just kind of, again, people just a little bit, not, not to make it sound like a bad thing, but a little bit stuck in their ways. And just like what they like and replace all that.


I mean, they'll both fit into the same cans, so it's not like you're, you know, you can't swap them out for each other, but some people just like them and they liked the nozzling. They liked the, the spray pattern. I think the ultra has a better spray pattern and it's a better head. It's got a better warranty that has a check valve too.


Right? Optional check optional. Okay. Six inches probably important because the turf grass, you know, we're seeing longer length of turf grasses, right? Yep. That's exactly what it's designed for. I mean, we'll S we'll still sell more of the four-inch I'm sure. Obviously, but the the performance is a nice option when you have those scenarios.


Yeah. And even I can relate to just my own property because it went in new construction and I have  love the . And you know, just over time, especially when the soil is new and it hasn't been, you know, compacted, the sprinklers definitely tend to settle the grass. If it's grown properly, grows nice and thick.


And before, you know, it, every time the sprinklers come on, you're seeing, you know, a little doughnut of the, of the turf bent over because the turd is just barely cresting the grass. So, yeah. Yeah. Awesome. So number four was the PGP ultra Oh six. That's right. That's it? Oh, six will be the ultra and a six inch.


That's correct. Awesome. All right. We have got one left. You know, I, I asked Kevin only to give us five of the 200 new things Hunter has coming out. So did you save the best for last. Well, you know what I, I worked my way to the back of the Cadillac. I'm going to be honest with you. It is a good document.


So five is five because it's in the back, but I did want to diversify a little bit and I think we have a pretty cool product here. It's called the MP stake. So if anybody's familiar with our MP rotors this is going to be a 26 inch steak. That comes with 0.3, four, five tubing with a half inch male fitting connection.


And this is designed for temporary irrigation systems. You know, we sell eco mat, which is a great product for.  subsurface turf applications. So, you know, think turf, walkways, roofs, whatever, whatever you want, wherever you'd want to irrigate turf from below, rather than above, you could use that ecomap which a great product.


But we do tell ya when you install that, that you should use overhead irrigation. To get the roots to start growing. So that's one application that I can think of this product. Um, another one would just be just temporary stuff in beds. A lot of irrigation guys work for and with landscapers. You know, we've, we've given them, we've given our contractors a bunch of different kind of quick temporary ways to set up a quick irrigation system.


Because as we know, as a season kicks on and a landscaper's finishing up a project on a Thursday or Friday night and they need some water down there quickly, chances are you're busy too. So you could set guys up with certain products and they can just basically, you know, no thought, just go around, sticking them in.


Keep the area wet until you're able to get back there. And this is going to come with a pressure regulator at 40 40 PSI with a check valve. And then without that setup. So it's just, it's something different. It's pretty cool. I think that we probably don't even know. What a lot of contractors are gonna end up using it for, which is kind of cool to find out stuff from the guys who were selling it too.


But definitely something different, something new unique. I think it's pretty cool. Yeah, absolutely. So we got an MP rotator, everyone listening is likely familiar with the MP rotator, and then that is connected to a pressure regulator at 40 PSI. And then underneath that is the steak. You know that you used to Mount it temporarily and under w what hose is connected to the bottom.


Yeah. It's, it's got, I, there's gotta be some sort of polyethylene connected to the supply line. What or what kind of supply line is, right. So I was kicking around some ideas. I mean, around here, we're a big poly market. So the, basically the way I was going through with some contractors last week was I guess it depends how much you're using.

I mean, potentially if it's a real small area to run some blank, drip tubing over to it and get a half inch female by 17 millimeter drip to a drip fitting. If you know, you've got a bunch of these out there and your flow is going to be too high for that, half-inch a blank drip tubing. Then you can do some poly with some poly Tees and elbows to thread it in.

Obviously if you're in a PVC market, you can do the same thing with Pico PVC fittings, but you're talking half inch thread is coming off of the unit here. Okay. Yeah. So guys might, I could see them keeping a whole handful of them a couple dozen or so on their trucks. So if they're not able to bang in a zone for one, but he's in, by the afternoon, a new sod got laid.

They could maybe at the very least quickly connect a couple of those to the closest valve. And just to get some water flowing. Yeah. Hose bib, you know, if you need it to, with a little bit of hose, whatever it might be. But I mean, like I said, there's kind of a nursery applications. This will be great. You know, I mean there's yep.

Green roofs. You're right. Yeah. Tons of reasons why you'd use it. Like I said, I'm kind of interested in hearing how people are going to end up using it. So just as a reference, remind me, what's the flow rate required out of an MP rotator? Well, it depends on the like, Half gallon per minute or 0.2, roughly.

I mean, I can tell you exactly depending on what we're looking at, but typically you're looking at on a 1000 at 90 degrees. It's 0.2, one gallons per minute, and read more. Realistically is that's a 90. So if you doubled that to a one 80, he probably double that exactly on a 2000 same thing, half, half circle on a 2000.

Is  about three quarters of a gallon. Okay. Cool. Well, that's good, good, simple math. And you can easily if needed to hook up to a hose bed temporarily with adapter. And you know, if you got five, six gallons a minute that hose bib, you can run quite a few of them temporarily. Cool. So that's the top five products I think Well, let me ask you before I say, which of those five are you most excited about?

I mean, just, I mean, we, we sell a lot of Hydrawise around here and it's been like a personal mission of mine to get more of the flow meters out there. And I think this will definitely help us on that. And then the easy DT is going to be huge. We've got a lot of guys installing easy decoders to begin with.

And I think that this is just going to open it up for way more. I mean, I've got people waiting for these things. Yeah, totally agree. I think, yeah. If we have access to the data, the water data, the flow data, it will help raise the education level of the entire industry. Because right now people just don't know what they don't know, because we aren't able to see the data.

Or we haven't been able to see the data unless we were spending, you know, thousands and thousands of dollars on commercial and institutional type systems. And even then half of them. Barely worked right. If we can get more data at that entry level access, it'll it'll help everyone. So I think that would be what I'd most excited to see, probably followed by the handheld.

But I also think something that's innovative in the analog space, if that's the right way to call it, like the MP stake, I think that's kind of cool because it unlocks new new opportunities to provide water and irrigation services that might not have been there before. Yeah. I mean, we, you know, the, the exciting stuff now tends to be all controller, you know advancements and that's what people we'll talk about, but like, kind of, like you're saying, you could go back to old school, you know, throwing water around.

It's good. It's cool to see some new stuff. Yeah. The amount of requests that come in that I've had about temporary irrigation systems. No one has truly solved that question. And I don't know that this is the best way to solve it, but it's definitely a need that's out there that isn't addressed other than garden hoses and like oscillating sprinklers.

Yeah. Well that sounds exactly right. That's funny. Awesome. Well, that's great. Appreciate you sharing those top five hunters, a great company. I'm excited to see these come to market as well. And it was good chatting with you, Kevin, keep up the good work, man. I appreciate it. You too great being here.

Thank you very much. Yeah, we'll catch you soon. Take care. All right. Thanks. .

Mar 03, 2021
#042 - Technology Enables You, Truck Talk #3

Technology is an Enabler

You are limited only by your motivation, your dreams, and your drive.

Technology unlocks new opportunities: Where the tools used to limit us, now the tools enable us, so where do you want to go? What do you want to build? How big are you thinking? What do you really want for your business, your career, your family, your life?

Jump in headfirst and do not fear the unknown.

You got this.


technology is an enabler

I really think technology is an enabler for those that want to be enabled, right? For those that want to learn for those that want to grow for those who are looking for new ways and new opportunities to either enhance their career, enhance their, their, um, relationships with their clients, with their contractors.

And in order to do that, there is no one that's going to be able to show you the way.

You are an irrigation, professional, older, new who designs installs or maintains high end residential commercial or municipal properties. And you want to use technology to improve your business, to get a leg up on your competition. Even if you're an old school irrigator from the days of hydraulic systems, this show is for you.

Good morning guys. What's going on today? This is your host, Andy Humphrey back for another episode of truck talk. I dunno why I call it truck talk. But anyway, here I am in the truck driving to work. I'm already about halfway. There had a little trouble getting this mic connected up this morning. And, uh, I wanted to tell you both a story and sort of, uh, an epiphany I had this weekend.

I was down in Detroit at my daughter's volleyball game. Actually, both my daughters had volleyball tournaments, but they were at different locations. So I was with my 11 year old and my wife. Was with our 15 year old and we pretty much sit either on the bleachers or in our. Kind of beach chairs, if you will, on the sidelines.

And we sit while they're playing and we sit while they ref and we sit while they wait. So yeah, we pretty much sit all day and you can entertain yourself on your phone or you can get a little work done, you know, but basically you're sitting in a chair and you're on a device. And for me, When I'm in those places, my mind starts, you know, my mind doesn't shut off.

It keeps going. And so I had this epiphany about technology and I started thinking about a little bit about sort of my story and how I first got involved with irrigation technology and the big epiphany I had. Which again, I think that if you're listening to this, you probably already know this because you've found this podcast looking for either landscape technology, irrigation technology.

Or just sprinklers in general. But if you found this podcast, you're likely already an early adopter of technology because 90% of the green industry is not out there searching for podcasts. So kudos for that. But it also just goes to show that I believe technology is an enabler technology unlocks. New opportunities that didn't exist before.

And so if we can think of it like that, we don't really know what kind of opportunities are ahead for us in the green industry and as professional. Irrigators and landscapers. And so the best thing you can do, and this is my recommendation is to jump right in headfirst. And I wanted to sort of give you an example of what that means by jumping in head first.

If, if technology is going to open new opportunities and these opportunities, weren't there a year ago, a month ago, a week ago, then there's also no one to. Show you how it works. There's no one to tell you how to use it. There's no one to hold your hand through these new opportunities that technology can unlock because we are creating them as we go.

And I think that that sort of a Tiffany I had this weekend, I was reminded because one of the first times I got involved with your irrigation technology was back in 2000. Well, there was two examples, but the first one was back in about 2002. This was in Baltimore, Maryland, and my good friend, Paul Bassett, who was just on Friday's episode, who you're going to get to know more and more is also an early adopter of technology.

And he sold one of the early two core systems. I believe this was a Flowmaster system. It was a. Mansion outside Baltimore. I'm not going to say the name, but it was about 70 zones of residential all to wire. And this Flowmaster was down in the basement. And if you've ever tried to program one of those first two core systems, it is definitely.

Not easy and just like most manufacturers in this industry, instruction manuals often aren't very clear. And so we sort of figured out this system by trial and error, but it was, um, It was a lot of trial and error, but also trial and error, meaning coming back to this site. So we must've come back to the site and content into this basement, you know, a dozen times, not just on site that day, but I mean set it, we think it's going to run.

Client says, Hey, it's not watering. And we come back and we figure it out slowly. Over time, we became experts at the system by trial and error because it was such new technology that there really wasn't a lot of information out there for us to use. You know, at that time, uh, John Deere landscapes was very helpful for us because some kudos to Jerry Schmidt who was, uh, definitely helpful in helping us figure it out.

Um, but it was one of those, you know, Paul was excited, we sold this system and then we just had to figure out how to program it and make it work. And we did, but it took some time. Now the second example, which is very similar was just a couple of years later. I want to say probably 2004. I was the quote unquote, uh, Toro Sentinel sales person, if you will, for, for this Toro distributor in Maryland, when, uh, when Torah had just purchased icon, it was rolling out the Sentinel product.

And, you know, we were chasing cities and municipalities and, and those sorts of retrofit clients. And we, we had a close customer of the distributor that was buying a lot of Toro, red iron equipment and such and sprinklers. And we ended up being able to secure the funds to retrofit the city's control systems.

And I don't remember how many controllers they had. Let's just. For let's just say they had 15 and the Sentinel system is awesome as it was, and perhaps could be today. I'm not very familiar with it. And today's technology was really based on, on radio and we would do some confusing, some awesome and confusing things like set up hubs connected to the internet, radio out to the field satellite, then radio over to a map to, and, and again, It, we, we sort of figured this out trial and error by setting a program coming back the next day, seeing if the program ran, having the client give us feedback.

And again, it was a thankfully for me, I was living in Annapolis, Maryland at the time. And. This particular city was just about halfway between where the office was and where I lived. And so I had the opportunity to sort of babysit the project, one of the first controllers by stopping it at the site on my way to work or on my way, home from work and correcting over times, the things that we didn't know in order to get this technology to function.

And at the end of the day, it did function to function great, but we had to be sort of patient and we had to. Uh, learn what we didn't know. Um, and maybe that's another sort of good way to look at this as sometimes. Well, oftentimes. You don't know what you don't know. And you know, when technology is opening these new opportunities, the only thing stopping us is sort of our own curiosity and our own sometimes, maybe fear of failure.

Uh, and one thing I tell myself that I'll tell you guys too, is if there really is no failure, the only failure is really the person who's not willing to try or who gives up too soon, or who assumes that, uh, there's something wrong with the product. And it's the product's fault. And from my experience, working with, uh, specifically irrigation control systems, it's 95% user error.

And so what we really need to do collectively is, you know, stop, think about what we're doing, uh, ask questions, uh, try new things, uh, to, to figure out. How to do things, because again, technology is opening up these new doors. There's no one here to guide us, to hold our hand, to show us how it works. And so you all, as early adopters, like I said, I, I believe most of you are early adopters because you've found this podcast, which means you're already on the front side of technology.

The best thing we can do is. It's just dive in head first and, uh, you know, it's almost like we're going to, you know, jump out of an airplane and build the parachute on the way down. I think that's the analogy, something like that. But yeah, we just got to, first thing we got to have to do is sell it. And then the second thing we have to do is figure it out how to make it work and it will work.

Most of these technologies absolutely work if you're willing to put in the time. And one of the things I've experienced bringing baseline technology to market over the last 15 years, yours is there are definitely all kinds of people and all kinds of personalities. And it's been really interesting for me to see that those people that will embrace something brand new, like the two core, like Sentinel, like baseline, et cetera, that almost, it's almost like they're not afraid of what they don't know.

And personally, I am one of these people too. And then there's those people that want to take all of the training classes before they ever go to a site or they want the manufacturer's rep to come to the site to hold their hand because they're too afraid to, to not know something. And sometimes, actually most of the time, you're really not going to know everything.

And that's totally okay. It's, you know, it's the fear of not knowing that will stop you and just in life, you're never going to know everything. There's no way we could sit in a training class and I could teach you everything you needed to know about baseline before you go out to the site to help the contractor.

And the, the really the best thing you can do is have your know who your resources are, know who your contacts are, are be a willing participant in the process. And sometimes what we need I'll speak for the manufacturer side of things is we just need clear vision onto the site. We don't need to be there actually 99% of the time.

There's no need to have a manufacturer come to a site. If we have someone on the site who has a cell phone, this is 2021. Everyone on the site has a cell phone and quite frankly, Most people can even do a video conference through like FaceTime or Skype. And those types of tools can be super helpful. And that's sort of the, the takeaway that I've seen is there's different personalities.

Some are willing to jump in head first, go out to the site, figure out what they don't know, troubleshoot the problems, get the manufacturer's rep on the phone. And they're not afraid to be an expert. I think they might be more of a, a learner mindset. And then, yeah. So I think that, that those are kind of some of the things that were going on in my head this weekend, while I was sitting in the chair.

Uh, watching this volleyball tournament and of course paying attention to the volleyball, but at the same time, you know, thoughts were rolling through my mind. And I really think technology is an enabler for those that want to be enabled, right. For those that want to learn for those that want to grow for those who are looking for new ways and new opportunities to either enhance their career, enhance their.

Their relationships with their clients, with their contractors. And in order to do that, there is no one that's going to be able to show you the way. And so you gotta find a way, uh, on your own and be willing to, you know, get in the game, dive right in and see where this technology can take us. And I'm not just speaking about irrigation, you know, controls technology.

It's. Technology in general, you know, when was the last time you got really creative with a Google sheet, just as a side example, there's so many really cool tools out there that that can do awesome. Awesome things for your, your daily routine and your efficiency, um, as a, as a, as a professional. So that's kinda, my 2 cents technology is enabler.

If you're willing to learn and participate. And so. Yeah, jump, jump right in and let's see where technology can take us. And, uh, that's all I had today guys. So go out, have fun, be safe. And until the next episode, happy sprinkling. And we'll talk to you then. .


Feb 16, 2021
#041 - Water SaaS™ using Gallons Per Square Foot with Paul Bassett

Learn exactly how to calculate landscape irrigation water savings, and how to begin offering Irrigation Management as a Service™, or, IMaasS™.

In this episode, Andy & Paul Bassett (Vice President of Water Efficiency at ENVOCORE), discuss Water Savings as a Service (WSAAS) and using the SLIDE method to determine gallons per square foot.

In 2018, Paul developed this concept for the landscape industry when he named the concept of Irrigation Management as a Service™.

SLIDE Method


Gallons Per Square Foot

Go find the water meter. First thing, where's the water meter, right? Open the water meter, lid vault, whatever you can do it safely and see what's going on with the meter. Is the meter moving? Is it still so a couple of these sites, I go to Andy, I'm looking at the water meter and a water meter is spinning like crazy.

And there is not a soul in sight.

If you are an irrigation, professional, older, new who designs installs or maintains high end residential commercial or municipal properties. And you want to use technology to improve your business, to get a leg up on your competition. Even if you're an old school irrigator from the days of hydraulic systems, this show is for you.

Paul Bassett. Welcome back to the sprinkler nerd show, man. Good to be with the nerd again, drew. Well, thankfully we found hat and to do this, you know, it's hard to coordinate too, too busy guys, schedules to sync up. Sometimes it's hard to do so. Appreciate your time today. Glad to do it. So what's been going on in your world last year.

Couple weeks or, uh, actually let's, you know, since the new year cause you and I got on together right at the end of, uh, 2020. And uh, here we are beginning of February. So what's new, man. I feel like I've been in spreadsheet, Nirvana, Andy crunching, lots and lots and numbers. That's what I've been doing. Lots of projects, lots of things coming across my desk.

We're grateful to see, um, 20, 21. Um, the extended activity that's happening right now, for sure. So that's, what's going on lots of things since when does spreadsheets have anything to do with irrigation or Nirvana? Yeah. Well, lots of scripts. Yes. There's a lot of numbers you have to crunch and evaluate for sure.

Yeah. There are spreadsheets to crunch if you're in the accounting back office of a residential contracting company, but if you're. Working in the field or selling, you know, not always many spreadsheets, so, well, you know what happens, Andy? What I see, especially with the spreadsheets that I'm looking at, it's, you know, we're integrating a lot of the, the weather data, um, and that weather data needs to be extrapolated, you know, oversights.

So. And when we're looking at how to calculate how much water is required in a given landscape, lots of spreadsheets that need to do help me crunch the numbers. So that's why I see a lot of spreadsheets. Well, that's why I count on you to be nerd number two with me one and a half I'm nerd, one and a half.

Andrew. Yeah, man. Well, Excel is definitely a tool worth, getting to know very well. For sure. I mean, I can't tell you, I use it many times every single day and the only way to get better at it. Right. Like anything else is just to start using it. Yeah. And there's a lot of nuances to the, to Excel that I don't have all of the bells and whistles, but I, you know, I operate it enough where it's effective for me to be able to do my work and then allow others to see how I did my work.

So they trust my numbers. Absolutely man. All right. Well, you've been, uh, educating me totally on kind of more of the details of the water conservation side of what you're doing. And we talked at the end of 2020 about this concept of savings as a service and being able to provide that value on the savings part of the business.

And then we talked maybe. Couple of weeks ago about some of the data that you use and how you put your proposals together and what you look for on a site to see if you can save water and how much you can save and, and all of that. So, you know, this episode today is a little bit unscripted and I thought we could just have a more, a little bit more detailed conversation about savings as a service and.

And some of the things that you look for and, and, and, uh, how you sort of get started. And then, well, the first thing, Andy, that we, we try to engage with the customers. We look at how much money they're spending in a given year on their water, you know, and their water bill. And then we try to slice the water bill up specifically to what's being used inside the building.

And then what's being used on the outside of the building. And, you know, fortunately for me, you know, our business has morphed into being able to look at all water usage on a site or a facility. Um, so my team members are the ones that go in and look at all the water on the inside, which is the plumbing equipment, mechanical equipment.

And then, then I look at what goes on on the outside of the building. And then, you know, when you look at it a far, you're trying to determine whether or not there's an opportunity. Do we want to invest in this V via time or money? Is it worthy of us to look at, so we try to come up with a simple matrix.

So let's see. So let me just stop you for a quick second to ask the question. So you get this water bill, how do you get this information? Who gives it to you? It's usually the end user, the client. Um, or one of our partners, our energy service companies, you know, that has engaged with say a university or school and they just, the sales person or the estimator or somebody is requesting this information.

Yeah. So they're looking at it. You know, our partners are looking at it in the energy side of the business, right? So they're looking at energy usage, energy consumption, and the energy spend via electric or gas. Um, and then they asked us as the water experts to look at the water consumption and they want to know, is, is there a viability of an opportunity and on these, um, this consumption, what do they send you?

Just like a copy of the build? Are they collecting it in their own spreadsheets? What does that information look like? That gets sent over? Well, usually we would request at least three years of utility consumption. Water bills. Um, because with any water system, it could fluctuate depending on the year, the weather COVID, I, you know, any bills that we get in 2020.

You know, we, you know, we, we use them as a grain of salt because it's not indicative to what that facility or a site is going to typically use right. In a given year. So got it. So three years maybe normalizes the data better. Correct. And especially in, in, in any irrigation. So we can look at the patterns, right.

Winter consumption versus summer consumption. Right. And I can look at that, you know, we know they're average. Winter consumption is going to be 50 gallons per person per day, um, for a student. Um, and then in the winter, I mean, it's summertime, excuse me, the summertime. It could be 150 gallons per person per day.

So then, then we know that there's an extra, a hundred gallons per person per day. That's being used in the irrigation system. Okay. That was kind of my next question. Is, is this, is the water data separated inside, outside for you? Or is it just one number that you have to determine what's inside and what's outside?

That would depend upon the municipality. And if they have separate meters for the irrigation, I would say we may get irrigation data, 25% of the time, Andy, they may have a separate water meter that allows us to look at just the irrigation data, which is fantastic. Right. I can really crunch the numbers.

It'd be more precise with our analysis, 75%. It's a single meter going into the site. And then now we have to kind of cut and chop that up to determine, okay, how much of that water is being used on the plumbing fixtures and how much is used for the irrigation system. And then, you know, we have rules of thumb, you know, in a, in a high school, for instance, you know, we, we determine what the square footage of the building is.

And we look at the population, meaning how many students and teachers are in the school. And then we have, based on that school, we can do. A rule of thumb on how many gallons per square foot or per person that, that indoor is. It is per person the metric. It is per person, correct? Yes. Okay. And what's, um, just from the shooting from the hip, what's an average number per person a building should use.

I mean, again, it depends on the age of the, of the building too, Andy cause you know, something built in the. Fifties and sixties and seventies, you know, it's going to be higher because of, they have older plumbing fixtures compared to the stuff nineties and, and ER, and newer it's going to, because, you know, they had different regulations and plumbing fixtures.

So, I mean, it could be 50 gallons. Okay. Sandy. Per person per day. So the rules of thumb, you know, determine what we are going to invest. If we see if the normal, um, baseline metrics for indoor water use is 50 gallons per person per day. And we look at the bills and we look at the population and it's 70 gallons per person per day.

We wanted then. Invest heavily into this opportunity because then you'd have a Delta of 20 gallons per person per day. The difference between where they're at right now and where you can get them to. Correct. And so then, then we tell the customer, this is a viable opportunity. We now want to. Go from this paper calculation to, we want to go and now engineer, this thing, we want to go figure out what's going on.

And then everybody's going to invest in it because we know there's a potential for a return on investment or something. Got it. So, um, on the inside, it sounds much more straight forward because you have a, like you just said some of these older fixtures, so you know how many gallons are using right now, per person per day, you can go in and you can audit their fixtures.

See what they have. Right. See what you can maybe get them to. And fixtures plumbing. Fixture is, is based upon the term we use is how many bodies to the potties and nice not to be confused with the Squatty potty. No, no, not to be confused with that, but it can be, but it's bodies the potty. So how many folks you got going to the bathroom every day, determines how much water is being used.

Ideally in the bathroom. And the majority of it just say in a, in a K through 12 or kindergarten through 12th grade, um, it's how many folks are going to the bathrooms each day? I mean, that's not going to change. So our, our goal is to try to still maintain the mission of the bathroom is to, you know, acuate the waste, but do it as efficient as possible with newer device.

I like that bodies to potties. Was that what it was? Bodies potties. That's it. That's what we met at the name this episode. Okay. Not savings as a service with bodies, the potties. Okay. So let's transition that to the landscape because the landscape is a lot, it has a lot more going on out there and it can you're right.

And, and it's, it's a little bit different because there's, there's different matrix. Yeah and metrics, I mean that we look at, um, but it's similar because you know what we, again, what we try to do, um, as a company is we want to, we want to qualify the opportunity, Andy, really at the end of the day. And we want to qualify as quickly as possible for us when it, when we look at the utility bill and we carve out what's inside of the building, and now we have the balance of that is going to be the outside of the building, which is irrigation.

And depending on the climate, you know, some climates, it could be 30% indoor, 70% outdoor. Or, you know, in, in, you know, my climate in, in Maryland, it's 70% indoor, 30% outdoor, right. So you need to look at it precisely with regards to a couple different factors. Um, and, and as we mentioned before, and you're going to hear it in probably many episodes is there's a, there's a.

Estimating program that I use, it's called the simplified landscape irrigation demand, estimating. It is a program, really not even a program, but it it's put together by the university of California and their center for landscape and urban horticulture and you know, what they, what they were trying to do.

And what all of us are trying to do is really trying to make it a little bit easier for folks to understand what a landscape needs and water simplify it because. Irrigation and landscape water requirements is very scientific. There's a lot of equations and factors that go into it. And if you're not in living in the weeds, like, like we do every day, it gets to be somewhat complex.

So, you know, this particular method really simplifies it. And, you know, to a point where it's easier to understand for those of us that are not in, in the world of irrigation management and the acronym or the simplified acronym that, that you can remember that you shared with me as slide, right? S I L I D E that's L I D E S, which again, simplified landscape irrigation demand estimation.

So if, if you have a client out there, who's asking you, can you save us water? Can you reduce our water utility bill? This is sort of the first step we got to go and run a slide estimation and there's really, there's four rules, um, in, in the slide method. Okay, Andy. And the first one is we're going to need the ITI.

What is the reference evapotranspiration in that particular climate? And it's important to get accurate historical evapotranspiration data. Okay. That's number one. Um, and along with that is you, you need the precise rainfall amounts for that given area. Um, the second one is you're going to need to know what your plant factor is.

What do you eat? What is your primary plant? Do your watering, is it turf? Grass is a cool season is a warm season. And typically we're looking mainly at turf grass. At the end of the day, maybe a few zones of landscape and plant material, but most of it is going to be turf grass. Yup. And again, number three is what's your square footage of your landscape area.

Okay. So let's repeat those from the top. The first thing is the ITI, the estimated evapotranspiration for that specific site, as close as you can get to that exact location, you need their historical ITI. Correct. Right. Uh, then we need the rainfall again, as close as you can get to on site for that project.

They're estimated rainfall. Let me ask you, is that daily, weekly, monthly? How do you need that data? Typically, we're seeing it in a monthly fashion. Andy monthly. It's going to be in a monthly fashion and then you need the plant factor. What, what type of plant is it and how much water does it need? And then you need the.

Square foot. How, how much of that plant type is out there? What is that irrigation system covering? What is the square footage of the landscape, your area? That's not always easy to get to, especially when you're doing it remotely, but you try to get the best you can. What tools are you using to capture that square footage?

There's a few tools that we use. Um, we try to bring in the Google earth, the satellite image, and then we will, we will bring that image of capture that image, clip that image and bringing into AutoCAD. And then we'll scale that site to try to get it as scaled perfectly as we can in AutoCAD. And then we measure the landscape areas that we feel are being irrigated.

Okay. And you don't always necessarily have to have AutoCAD. Um, Google earth will be able to allow you with some of the tools that they have to, to measure certain areas. It's not quite as precise, but it's, it still helps. And then, you know, again, as we mentioned before, what this will allow me to do in our team is it allow us to calculate the gallons per square foot.

That that site is, is irrigating. Because again, like we said before, Andy, we know what's being consumed on the inside and we know the metrics there is. 50 gallons per person per day. And then now we look at the outside is okay, how many gallons per square foot did the, that irrigation system apply? And that landscape.

Gotcha. That's pretty interesting because it seems like you could easily at first go get caught up in too many details. Like, um, what type of sprinklers are they using? What type of coverage is it? What does the program look like? How much is zone two running? How often is it running? When really sounds like that's all going to bubble up to the surface after you figure out how many gallons per square foot.

They're actually using that's right. And really what you want to find out before you even get out there is how much does that landscape require in a given season? Right? Does it need 20 gallons per square foot? Does it need 50 gallons of square foot? You know, what is that? And that's what the slide method will help you determine, you know, what does that require?

And then now, what is it actually using? Based on the utility consumption bill that you found out. So if this, if the slide method says, you know, this landscape based on this crop coefficient or this plant factor, um, needs 20 gallons, but our analysis shows that it's applying 40 gallons. Well, we definitely have an opportunity for savings.

Right. And now then we, we then inform our client that we would like to invest into this particular opportunity because we feel that there is going to be savings. All right. So can you share, I guess it doesn't really matter where it is, but let's try to come up with a scenario to try to make this more tangible.

Let's just take Baltimore, Maryland. Do you know what again? Turf grass. What the. Average gallons per square foot should be. Yeah, I think I did. It's about 10 gallons Andy, from, from my. You know, estimations that we've done changes in year to year. It all really depends on the rainfall. Right? We know what the ITI is.

ETA is going to be, you know, pretty standard variable from season to season. It's the rainfall that, that changes quite a bit. Right? I mean, I, I manage a bunch of systems in this particular marketplace where, um, we've had so much rain in a given season that I've had the irrigation systems turned off and we didn't run them a single day.

You know, I remember, I can't remember a couple of years ago when we had, you know, it was the 2018, as a matter of fact, where we had 74 inches of rain that year on an average of 42. And the majority of it came through the summer. So we saved the most amount of water ever in this particular year on this side because I had everything.

Yeah. I'm like, I'm turning it off. Well, so is that, I mean, I'm thinking that that plays back to the, the reason that you needed three years of information, correct? Right. If you get an anomaly here, right. And, and you're looking at utility bills and you say, well, you know, in 2018, you know, the water consumption was way down what happened.

Well, then you look at the weather data for that year. So you got to correlate that, you know, so you want to just extract the, the rainfall for 2018 and go, well, here's 2018 is going to be an anomaly year in Baltimore, Maryland, because it rains 70 some inches. And no one's going to use irrigation that year.

So you need to throw that year out and use more of an average year. Um, you know, when it comes to at least irrigation systems, right. Cause if I, if I went and analyzed 2018, um, in the Baltimore area for irrigation system, I would say there's never going to be a chance to save. But that's not true. Cause we only looked at one year.

Right. And it also depends on whether that control system had any technology existing to turn it off. Because if it didn't have a rain sensor, it could be running all those times in the rain. So it's still used the same. It's still used all that water. Uh, and maybe the same thing could be true. What if, uh, a maintenance person.

Turn the controller off and just forgot. Right. And it went the whole month of July and halfway into August in the off position. Didn't water. And so there was no consumption. Do you ever, does that, could that happen all the time? I mean, you just never know who's managing the systems, you know, from one site to the next, you know, you could have, you know, a school district that has 200 schools and they may have 10 different personnel managing, you know, the 20 schools each and, and each one of those.

Facilities folks have a different way that they manage their controllers in one school district. Right. And I have seen, I have seen that, um, where we analysis and did with the, what the consumption should be. Uh, we use the slide estimation. To figure out how much water that site should be using based on their ITI at their location, the historical average rainfall, the plant type, and the square footage will tell you approximately how many gallons per square that site should be using.

That is correct. Uh, and then sounds like what you, since you have the utility bill and you've figured out what percentage of that bill or that consumption is outside. Then you use that gallons and the square foot calculation that you either did onsite, or you use Google earth to figure out that irrigated square footage.

Um, and then that gives you, is that give you your two numbers, what they should use and what they are using? Yes. At least in that given snapshot. Right. Um, for sure. And then again, if, if they need 20 gallons and their utility bill says they use 20 gallons per square foot, guess what? They're doing? A good job.

Okay. I mean, and not necessarily perfect. Cause we haven't really looked at any distribution, but you know, based on the simple method, I would tell my client that, you know, there's really no opportunity at that particular site, um, that we're going to save any money. It's just when the Delta T's go above 25%.

So yeah. That's really, we, you know, we want to look at something at the Delta T of 25% or greater money. That's money. Thanks for sharing that little nugget you wanted to see, uh, let's, let's get into the details there. So when you say Delta, let's just explain that. So what is the Delta? The Delta is the difference between the, what the slide method says it needs and what the actual consumption applied on the landscape.

Okay, so let's, let's break it down into, um, a real number. Let's say slide says 10 gallons per square foot. And then based on the information you got from the client, again, that was consumption and now, you know, square footage, it comes out to 14 gallons per square foot is what they're currently using. You might look at that and say, okay, the difference between 10 and 14, that's the Delta.

That is correct. And so that would be what, that's a 40% right. To keep the math easy. And since 40% is greater than that, 25% you say, okay, I think we might have a project opportunity here. Yeah. And then what you look at, Andy, you just say, what is that? 40% increase? What does that value? How many gallons is that?

And what does those gallons cost? Right. So, and then what would the savings be if we were to then save that. Extra four gallons per square foot. Right. Yep. So that's $10,000 a year, just, you know, easy math, $10,000 a year is a good amount that you can then take that money and invest into new technology.

And then that new technology will be what is going to save that $10,000 along with some management as well. And you're not saying, yeah, you gotta have eyes on the ground. Someone's got to make sure that it performs. Okay. Yeah. And then say, okay, now that now we have $10,000. You know, a year that we can play with, um, and say, you know, we will now want to put a new controller in and we want to put master valve in and we want to put the flow sensor in that will way it'll give us the, the technology that we need at that point, to be able to know that we can make the adjustment automatically to ITI.

Um, So that's really where the majority of the savings is. And then we look at the distribution portion of it. How can we increase efficiency of the distribution system to help the client reduce a little bit more water, um, and improve efficiency in the distribution side? Right? So we look at all of those elements.

Yep. Cause we're all familiar with a poorly, a poor distribution distribution system means you have to over-water some areas in order to hit the dry areas. Otherwise you'll have. Brown spots. And then, you know, we, I use that too, is when we look at the, when we looked at slide method, I I've adjusted the slide methods somewhat, um, to be able to work with, um, our calculator to determine whether, you know, what the D what the potential distribution uniformity may be.

Um, because the slide Beth it'll tell me that I need 10 gallons, but then I also need to make sure, okay. What is the distribution uniformity of that? That I need to overcome that. So I need to apply a couple more gallons of square foot to overcome the distribution uniformity. Again, I don't want to get into the weeds.

Right, right, right. Yeah. We'll save that for later. So let's stick with this 10,000. Dollar number just because it's an even number, you know? And can we, can we pick a number in terms of what the controller and the, you know, this equipment would cost? Should we just pick 5,000, just cut it in half. Yeah. I mean, certainly it, it, it varies in a lot of an Andy depends upon, and I always tell my folks in the field, where's the water supply and proximity to the country.

Right, right. Yeah. And then labor and boring and trenching and all of that. I just, for, for sake of round numbers, let's just assume it's going to be $5,000 too. Add this equipment. Does that mean you then have a $5,000 potential savings on that investment? Yes, that is. That is what I would say initially.

Now again, if you wanted to, since you, since you're only it, you know, now you're talking half a year savings return on investment. That's really good. So what we want to try to. To help them further because now we know we have more cashflow we can use. So we want to at least try to use the 10,000 or more to really increase the efficiency of their irrigation system.

Right. Because, so, so does that mean they're not looking for a, a one year or in this case, you know, that could be a six month, but what kind of a return, how many years are they looking at for their return on investment? Well, it depends on the client. Um, Andy, I think when, when you're looking for say a K through 12 or higher ed, usually those investments all in with financing and all that, they're looking for it at least the 10 year, 10 year return on investment 10 year.

Okay. And this, so again, using this. $10,000 a year savings potential if that's really what we could get on this site. And, uh, it was, it was 5,000 to install the equipment and you've got management fees and you know, and this, that, and the other, but potentially there's $10,000 times, 10 years. There's an actually maybe a hundred thousand to go invest in this project.

That's exactly correct. You got it. That's how it works. And so that's how it works. Somebody, you know, if you're listening to this and you may think, gosh, my clients don't always have the money or the financing available because the return isn't going to beat one year, that would be a great discussion to have with your client, because maybe it's not 10 years, maybe it's not two years to ask them and discuss what type of an investment.

How long are you looking to extend this? Uh, because that would free up more money for you to, to install this retrofit. Yes. If it's, you're just doing irrigation only, that is correct. Now what happens in our business because you know, we're working underneath of a energy company and the energy company is looking at heating and ventilation systems, right.

He HPAC and depending on where the. The facility is in what climate, the HPAC equipment may be 15 years. And if on the return on investment and if the water project as a one or two year return on investment, um, they'll move those additional savings over to the HPAC equipment to try to get that under 10 years.

So we try to share, you know, those things, dollar cost averaging across scopes or something like that. That's really what happens a lot of times, you know, th th they're hoping that the water at times, um, is, is using so much more than it should be, that, that we can help what they call carry the additional, um, energy conservation measures by taking the savings from one measure and applying it to another measure.

To reduce all measures under 10 years. Got it. That's good stuff. And that's just in that market there, you know, in the private sector, Andy, you know, they want to see it five years or less, right. So public sector, um, it's, it's longer because they can have longer terms. Um, and in, in the federal sector, um, which is another place where we work, um, you know, there are 20 to 25 year terms.

Um, that they engage into these performance contracts. So if we get a project that pays back in five years, there's another 20 years additional savings that we can use to. Help the lighting or help the HPAC or build some solar arrays or something like that. Got it. Well, let's um, do you have any examples I'd like to maybe look at what you've seen for projects where their savings potential is huge and what that looks like.

And some of the things maybe you've discovered that were leading to these sites that were using crazy amounts of water and maybe the other, the flip side of that sites that. You said I can't save you any water. Yeah. I mean, luckily again, for us, we work all over the country, so there's places that we, we see things.

So, um, again, the first thing we look at when I, when I asked her to focus on like sending me the water bills, we analyze the water bills. And then we, you know, we, we look at the water bills, we look at the square footage and we go, okay, well, right now we see that this site is using a hundred gallons of square foot, Andy, and it should be using.

20 or 30 gallons to me right away. I'm going, wow. Okay. I want to, this is the property that I want to see firsthand what's going on. So we, we were fortunate enough to, to look at a large park and rec division, and we got 50 parks that I got the look at the utility bills three years. I crunched all the numbers.

I did all the measurements and, you know, we saw some sites that were 90, um, 80 gowns and they should have only been at 40. So when we went out to the sites, you know, the first that's like double, they were using twice as much or, or more Andy. Yes. Wow. So the first thing that I do and the team does, where I try to get them to do is go find the water meter.

First thing, where's the water meter. Right open the water meter, lid, vault, whatever you can do it safely. Um, and see what's going on with the meter. Is the meter moving? Is it still so a couple of these sites, I go to Andy, I'm looking at the water meter and a water meter is spinning like crazy. And there is not a soul in sight.

You're looking around the park looking for sprinklers, right? I mean, this is the water meter. Where are the sprinklers? Nothing, but it's rolling and it's spinning and I'm looking all over the place and I can't find any leaks anywhere. So on this particular instance, Andy, um, it happened to be a project in, um, uh, in Hawaii, on Oahu where the sitting on a volcanic.

Rock porous under soil. Um, we determined that this old piping and irrigation system had had corroded, uh, extensively over time. And it was just a massive leak of 125 gallons a minute. She has going into the ocean water GS one 25, 25 gallons a minute. Yep. Leak that we discovered. Um, and, and, you know, we, I kind of had a feeling because I've been doing this long enough to know, but, you know, until you see it and you get to it, um, you know, you don't believe it until you see it.

Um, and that's, that's what happened on one side and we found two others similar to that, not quite that rate. Um, but again, it was, we, we determined it based on our gallons per square foot rule of thumb and new, then you looked at this date and you went, okay, we're going to this site first because they're using so much more water than we calculate.

They should be. There's something going on here. Yup. That's exactly what it was. And we, you know, we right away, we found that there was a significant leak, um, in that, in that piping system. So if we, can we take that 125 gallons a minute? Do you know what that is? Per year in dollar? It was $400,000 a year.

Andy, $400,000 per year leak. That's exactly right. And that league. I wish I had a, I wish I had like a ding ding teacher's bell button. That's like, let me get your attention here, client. And then Andy, what we did on that too, was, you know, we, we then analyze the bills back three years, um, and, and more, and then we, we were able to almost precisely see when it started to leak.

And then how it progressed to a, got to the point where it was at that high level of a rate. Cause you can see it in the utility bills, how it progressed. It didn't just break at that one point, it started flooding at 125. It wasn't hit by a backhoe. It was a slow bleed. Yeah. The, the, the, the pipe being system was put in, in 1952 and it was iron pipe and, you know, 70 years old.

And it finally, you know, the fittings are corroding. The joints are failing. Um, so that's, that's what happened and that, you know, we see that quite a bit sounds like because it was that volcanic rock, it didn't bubble to the surface where on a lot of other sites, malware on most sites, even if it's sand, you got a leak that big, it will.

Come to the surface cause that's a lot of water, correct? Yep. So it was just, I, you know, it was just, you know, the, the perfect storm of events that happen, um, that we were able to identify. Yeah. That's a terrible thing to be, to have 125, uh, Gallon per minute leak, it's worth $400,000, but you are not you, but if you're in the business for savings and you're doing savings as a service, that kind of sounds like a unicorn.

It pays it. It will definitely help pay for quite a few upgrades. Andy, we're going to use that money to help the infrastructure of that particular. Um, facility in those parks. Okay. A great example of, uh, looking at the data, finding the site that was, had the highest usage, when you're, when correlated to what they should be using.

You saw that you went to the site, you've found this leak. Um, not every site like that. So I appreciate the hearing, an example of the site that had a, had a big leak. Let's flip the switch and talk about. A site that's on the other end of the spectrum that you couldn't save any water. So, you know, a lot of times when we, when you think of water savings and irrigation savings, you think, wow, in the desert, you know, Phoenix or Nevada or Denver, man, you're gonna, you're gonna save all kinds of water.

Um, it's not always the case. Um, I know, you know, we just, I just looked at a school district, um, outside of Denver. Um, I got the utility bills. I looked at satellite images. Of the sites and one benefit of Google and Google earth pro is they have the ability to, you can look at different years and months even of, of the landscape.

And you can look at in Denver or Vegas, um, at certain times of the year. And you can see, man, this site is not. Irrigating you see donuts in the landscape, right, Andy. Um, and what happens is that what I've learned in those particular climates that a lot of the times the, the managers will set that irrigation controller for springtime application and they don't adjust the time clock.

To, to the T or to the demand, the higher demands of the T in that climate. So set it and forget it, baby, set it and forget it. And that works in some places and others. It doesn't. Right. So, you know, so, and, and say in Denver, And that particular Metro area in the summer, you got a water five, six days a week.

Cause it's cool to seasoned turf grass. It's not warm season. So that cool season turf grass, if you want to maintain that color green, you better water it almost every day. Right? Um, two days a week is not going to cut it. So that's what we see in those climates. You know, that, that, you know, that area needs.

15 gallons, a square foot. And I'm seeing, they're putting down 10 gallons as well. So, you know, not going to save any water there don't invest. Right. So if they want you to, uh, retrofit the site, they're pulling out of pocket because they just simply weren't using enough to have the savings pay for it. I mean, I guess in theory, future future savings will pay for it.

Well, potentially if there is, but you know, what we've learned, um, with regards to that is, you know, w we try to encourage people to do deficit watering, right? Deficit waterings is good because it saves water. Um, but if you can do it holistically with a controller that you have access to remotely, um, you can then put a nice program together to say, okay, look zones one through.

Five, you know, we want to maintain it at, at ITI. So that's going to be a nice, but then six through 20 might be the outskirts. And, you know, we want to push those to deficit irrigation. Let's just drop those down, you know, below ITI. Um, so we don't need the lush green aesthetic color out there. Um, but. You know, we will manage to ITI on zones one through five, and that's the benefit that we can, you can do controlled deficit irrigating and not by accident.

Right, right. Which sounds like you're controlling the green factor. Right? So what you're saying is where, um, office staff and parents and such using the school, as an example, walk into the building, we want to maintain a higher level of green and out in the back or off to the sides. We're willing to have that green terms, slightly Brown by deficit irrigating.

Cause it's less important than those focal spots. That's exactly right. And you can easily do it in the new advanced control systems you can do. It's owned by zone. You know, I want this to be at a hundred percent of ITI these zones, but on these other ones, I'll do 75% or 50% of it. Right. And so now you're managing your deficit irrigation.

So that's the benefit, you know, if you're going to do a program, that's not cashflow saved savings by the utility bill, right. Hmm. Very cool. So I think, um, what I'd like to do is try to wrap up our conversation, but I want to hit a couple of key points that we talked about, uh, to kind of bring this home and the thing that I appreciate you sharing, which was new to me.

Right? So you've been in the business longer than I have, but you know, still I'm almost, uh, Almost 20 years in getting pretty darn close to 20 years in. I wasn't familiar with slide that simplified landscape irrigation demand estimation to come up with your quote unquote baseline, uh, gallons per square foot for that site.

Right. And that's going to be different in Texas than it is in Florida, that it is in Boston than it is in Seattle or any location. And that slide, um, just to repeat again, it was a combination of the ITI for that local site. The rainfall for that local site, the plant factor, and then the square foot that's being irrigated.

And that breaks down to the estimated gallons per square foot. And then what you talked about was, uh, getting, uh, getting the, the client utility bill. How much water are they using indoors and outdoors, separating that out. And then, uh, Calculating the total irrigation or the landscape bits, that's irrigated the square foot.

So now, you know how much they're actually using and you're comparing what they should be using in gallons per square foot to what they are using in gallons per square foot. And you're looking for at least a 25% difference or Delta between those numbers. You want 25% Delta between those numbers. And then you want to look at.

What's the value of that Delta in, in dollars based on their price of water and how much they're consuming to see if that Delta, uh, can afford a, uh, control and equipment upgrade based on the time period that they're looking for. Maybe that's three years, five years or 10 years. And that's how you're basing your, uh, your savings as a service estimation.

Very good wrap up any of your correct, you know, again, you know, if they have the money to fund it then fantastic. Or because you know, now you're basically writing a business plan, uh, to them or to a lender that say, Hey, listen, I have $10,000 a year that I can now, you know, borrow against to invest. And you can take that to a third-party financer and get that funded.

Or if you have the cashflow to fund that yourself, or if the client at the end of the day has the money to fund it, they don't want to have a third party financing. Cause then there's interest rates involved. Right? Right. You now have $10,000 you tangibly could use in a project, whether you have the money yourself to borrow it, or the, the client has the money that they can spend it.

So again, Get ahold of Excel, learn how to use Excel because when you're crunching these numbers, you may want to build a spreadsheet. It's three years. You may decide there's other information you want to put in here and having some spreadsheet skills can, can certainly help. Cause I think to date right now, there's no easy button for this.

There's no enter these two pieces of information and we'll spit it out for you still got to crunch your own numbers and support your own numbers. Um, that's good, man. We will, uh, We'll have to come back and visit. I really like hearing your, your site stories, you know, finding that leak. And, uh, even the one outside Denver where you said you couldn't really save much water because they had kept that spring program running all year.

It's important. Yeah, but we, when we looked at the inside water, Andy, it's 40% savings on the inside. Right. 0% outside right now. So listen, we're going to, if we go in and change out the plumbing, fixtures, something more efficient, we're going to reduce that and save 40%. Okay. But they want to go ahead and maybe upgrade their irrigation controls to be able to manage deficit irrigating by controls being to move the water.

We, the money we stayed inside to outside. So you can share those costs inside the outside. Right? Love it. Love it. Okay. Well, that's a wrap and a guys remember, think savings as a service and a gallons per square foot. Find a project that you manage and experiment with this gallons per square foot. All right, Paul, that's a wrap man.

Let's do it again soon. Can't wait. Thank you, Andy. All right, cheers. See ya.

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#033 - Customer Obsessed, The 1hr Podcast Experiment

This experimental episode was recorded, edited, and launched in 59mins, just under their 1hr publishing goal!

In this episode, Andy & Denny discussed two recent customer service dramas and the tools under the hood they use to manage all things Customer Service.



Dec 04, 2020
#032 - My Favorite Meat Snacks, with Nick McCann Co-Founder of

With a background in sustainable agriculture, Nick McCann is the innovator behind the development of the Mission Meat snacks. He’s traveled the world to make a difference in people’s lives and is grateful to be able to create delicious snacks that make an impact.

About Mission Meat:

You may not know you’re impacting the world when you buy our products. You may just want a delicious, healthy grass-fed beef snack—and that’s ok, we’re cool with that—but we need to tell you that you are also making the world a better place with every snack you buy. At Mission Meats, we give 10% of our profits to social good organizations. Your snacks fight deforestation in Haiti with BonZeb. Your snacks help Perspectives Minnesota transform the lives of homeless mothers and their children. Your snacks create leaders and entrepreneurs in Africa with Educate! Your snacks help support over 100 independent Dream Centers across the country. So eat well and thank you for helping us make a positive impact on the world!

Oct 23, 2020
#031 - The Insider's Guide to Pumps with Justin McDaniel of Munro Pumps

In this episode, you will hear from Justin McDaniel, a 25-year pump expert with Munro Pumps, as we walkthrough pumping systems from residential boosters to large commercial pumping stations. 

Learn more:

Sep 17, 2020
#030 - Acquiring a Sprinkler Business and Engineering Control Systems

Just a quick update as to what I've been up to this week. I had a great conversation with a listener about acquiring a sprinkler business, and I talk about and engineering solution to manage lake water and a cistern/tank.

Sep 11, 2020
#029 - Soil Moisture Technology - How Does It Work? Wet or Dry, Automation and Data Collection

In this episode, you will learn the basic principals or upper & lower moisture threshold and how to use soil moisture sensors to control or automate the run time, start time, or days of the week.


  1. The Thermostat Analogy
  2. Volumetric Moisture Content %
  3. Collecting Data before Automating
  4. The 2 Basic Watering Strategies 
  5. Programming Lower Limit
  6. Programming Upper Limit
Sep 03, 2020
#028 - Building Automation System using the BACnet Protocol with Todd Hustrulid

In this episode, you will hear from Todd Hustrulid, an engineer at Baseline, how irrigation systems can be integrated into the building automation system.

What is BACnet?

BACnet is a communication protocol for Building Automation and Control (BAC) networks.

BACnet was designed to allow communication of building automation and control systems for applications such as heating, ventilating, and air-conditioning control (HVAC), lighting control, access control, and fire detection systems and their associated equipment. The BACnet protocol provides mechanisms for computerized building automation devices to exchange information, regardless of the particular building service they perform.

With Baseline’s BACnet Manager™ any BACnet compatible Building Management System can display important information like water-use data and system alerts from the BaseStation irrigation controllers.

BACnet makes it easier than ever to track and achieve your water savings objectives. In contrast with the competition, Baseline irrigation controllers combine ease-of-use with the connectivity and interoperability required by modern Building Management System implementations.

Aug 14, 2020
#027 - Wireless 2-Wire, Consolidating Controllers and Managing Remote Devices using Baseline SubStation Technology

In this episode, you will learn how to use Baseline's wireless 2-wire technology for retrofitting difficult situations or complex irrigation sites.

Dan and I discuss how the wireless SubStation can connect to a BaseStation 3200™ controller and allow you to connect every Baseline device wirelessly...This wireless connectivity means you can consolidate multiple existing controllers into a single BaseStation 3200 controller without running a wire across long distances. You can also establish new irrigation zones in areas separated from the main controller by obstacles such as driveways or parking lots.

With Baseline's SubStation, you can bring the latest in smart irrigation technology to any conventional wire or two-wire site. Whether you are combining multiple small irrigation controllers into one controller or adding the ability to manage the flow and incorporate soil moisture sensors and pressure sensors - the wireless SubStation makes it that easy.

Aug 07, 2020
#026 - Relationships Beat Algorithms, Out Care Your Competition, with George Bryant 2018 Keynote Replay

In this episode, you will hear a keynote speech given by George Bryant at the 2018 Brand Builders Summit in Austin Texas.

Who likes competition?

We are always going to have competition, and competition is a good thing and keeps us honest and keeps us active.

You might not be able to beat them on price.

You might not be able to beat them on design. 

You might not be able to beat them on experience.


Relationships beat algorithms.



Jul 29, 2020
#025 - Managing Secondary Water Sources, Domestic, Ponds, Rain Water Cisterns, Irrigation Canals, and more.

In this replay episode of Baseline Tech-Talk Tuesday, brought to you by the Sprinkler Nerd, you will learn how to Manage Secondary Water Sources using the BaseStation 3200 Platform & FlowStation Performance Component.

Types of Water Sources:

  1. Domestic water
  2. Canal water
  3. Rain catchment
  4. Ponds/lakes
  5. Well AC condensate water
  6. Reclaimed water
  7. Fertilizer injector water 

 Each Water Source has different characteristics; availability, cost, pressure, water quality so there may be preferences on which water supply to use prioritize first.


Simplest configuration 1 water source (meter), 1 controller, 1 mainline 

What happens when 2 water sources, 1 controller? 

Jul 19, 2020
#024 - Using a 3-Point Test Kit to Verify 2-Wire Ground Resistance at the Lighting Arrestor Locations

On the replay episode of Baseline tech-Talk Tuesday, you will learn how to use the AEMC 3-Point Ground Test Kit to check the resistance along a 2-wire path.

Not every irrigation pro knows how to use this equipment - tune in closely so you can stay ahead of your competition and get a leg up on your next 2-wire project.

Proper installation of grounding rods, grounding plates, and wire connections is essential to provide good surge suppression. While there is no technology currently available that can fully protect an irrigation system against damage from massive surges such as those caused by direct lightning strikes, outfitting your 2-wire path with grounding and surge arrestors will protect from most, if not all, naturally occurring electrical surges.

Jun 30, 2020
#023 - Soil Sensors for Artificial Intelligence Watering with Chris Wright, VP of Sales, for Baseline Control Systems.

In this episode, you will learn the fundamentals of soil moisture based watering and how to "THINK OUTSIDE THE START TIME" by using fully automatic, artificial intelligence, watering methods.

Join Andy and Chris as they tip back a few craft-brewed IPA's and discuss the science of proper irrigation horticultural management.

Jun 28, 2020
#022 - Retrofitting Large Existing Sites - Baseline Tech-Talk Tuesday

You will learn the technical details for how to retrofit large existing sites and how to tackle projects with multiple water sources and a single controller, as well as multiple controllers and a single water source.

This episode is another techy one so get out your nerd glasses and join us!

Jun 25, 2020
#021 - Tracy Shields, Transitioning To The Modern Age of Central Control for Municipalities and Public Agencies

Tracy Shields is a Regional Sales Manager for Baseline Control Systems and brings 34 years of Water Conservation experience working with irrigation technology and all types of central control systems for large scale applications. 

In this episode, you will learn how Tracy got his start in the Water Conservation category and how he has used technology to shape his career to become a thought leader with Municipalities, supporting their large scale irrigation deployments.

Jun 19, 2020
#020.5 - Using Pressure to Control Irrigation, Tanks/Cisterns, and Lake/Pond Level Control - Baseline Tech-Talk Tuesday

You will learn how Baseline incorporates pressure transducers into the BaseStation 3200 control system to better manage your water sources, mainlines, and overall system hydraulics. 

Additionally, you will learn how pressure transducers can be used to both monitor and manage cisterns, tanks, lake levels, and automatically trigger refill cycles.

This episode will get fairly technical so get out your nerd glasses and join us!

Jun 17, 2020
#020 - Learn How To Control Athletic Field Lighting, Door Locks, Fountains, And More Using The BaseStation 3200 Control System - Baseline Tech-Talk Tuesday

This episode of Baseline Tech-Talk Tuesday was recorded on June 6th, 2020 during the weekly LIVE Zoom broadcast.

You will learn how the BaseStation 3200 Control System was engineered to control non-irrigation devices such as athletic lighting, bathroom door locks, pond fountains, etc.

To join Andy and the Baseline crew on another LIVE event, register at

Jun 12, 2020
#019 - with Chris Pine, Irrigation Trainer & Industry Expert

Learn how Chris Pine started and how you can benefit from an online learning platform.

Listen as Chris shares some of his story growing up in the irrigation industry and how the industry & technology has evolved over time.

May 01, 2020
#018 - Irrigation Controller Networking & Communication Options - Baseline Tech-Talk Tuesday

This episode is repurposed content that was recorded live on April 28th, 2020 during a *Baseline Tech-Talk Tuesday* online workshop. You will learn about basic controller networking, the different ways to connect an irrigation controller to the internet, and what to look for when a controller goes offline.

Each week the Baseline team goes LIVE on Zoom to discuss Irrigation & Baseline technology to a live audience.

To participate in a future live event visit

Apr 29, 2020
#017 - Search Engine Optimization with Jeff Oxford of 180 Marketing

Jeff Oxford is the founder and SEO expert at 180 Marketing, an SEO company in Bend, Oregon.  Jeff works with a number of different ecommerce companies, including Sprinkler Supply Store, to provide SEO advice and services.

In this episode, Jeff and Andy talk about basic SEO practices that can get you better Google rankings, more hits on your website, and generate more leads for your business.

Visit Jeff at

Apr 10, 2020
#016 - Natural & Organic Lawn Care with Tom Kelly of BeeSafe Organic Lawn Care

Tom Kelly has been in the lawn care industry since 1993 and is the founder of BeeSafe Organic Lawn Care,, and Lawnmark Professional Services.  His years of experience in the industry has made him an expert in the field of natural and organic lawn care.

In this episode, Andy and Tom talk about Tom's background in the market, soil biology, and irrigation best practices.

Apr 03, 2020
#015 - 2-Wire Troubleshooting - Baseline Tech-Talk Tuesday, Recorded Live on 3/24/20

In the first Baseline Tech-Talk Tuesday Podcast, Dan Conger, Chris Wright, and Andy Humphrey of Baseline discuss troubleshooting 2-wire systems specifically 2-wire shorts and over-current messages.  While this is a Baseline tech-talk, there's a lot of great information in here regardless of the brand of 2-wire system you're working with.

You can check out the video of the Tech-Talk and see other Baseline videos by going to



Armada Pro95:


BK Precision:

Mar 31, 2020
#014 - Green Roof Irrigation with Nate Griswold of Inhabitect - Part 2

In Part Two of a two-part episode, Nate and Andy chat about how irrigation is used in the green roof trade and the pros & cons to overhead vs. drip irrigation.

Nate Griswold is one of the O.G's in the field of green roofs.  Starting with American Hydrotech in the early days and now running Inhabitect in Traverse City, MI, Nate has seen it all.  

Mar 30, 2020
#013 - Green Roof Fundamentals with Nate Griswold of Inhabitect - Part 1

Nate Griswold is one of the O.G's in the field of green roofs.  Starting with American Hydrotech in the early days and now running Inhabitect in Traverse City, MI, Nate has seen it all.  

In Part One of a two-part episode, Nate and Andy chat about the green roof industry.  Nate runs down some vital info on green roofs and shares the benefits and some of the technology involved in the movement. 

Mar 27, 2020
#012 - Talking Flow Sensors with Norm Bartlett of Creative Sensor Technology

Norm Bartlett has been involved in irrigation since the 60's and has seen it all.  From his start at age 14 working the golf course across the street, through his work with Buckner Sprinkler Co., working with Data Industrial as they rolled out their first flow sensors, to his current position as owner of Creative Sensor Technology, Norm is a wealth of irrigation information.

Norm and Andy chat about his background in the industry and flow sensor technology.  Lots of great technical information here on flow sensors!

You can visit Creative Sensor Technology at

Mar 20, 2020
#011 - Lawn Care Tips for Irrigators with Allyn Hane, the Lawn Care Nut

Allyn Hane is better known on YouTube and elsewhere as The Lawn Care Nut.  With years of experience in lawn care and expertise in social media, Allyn has produced content that has seen millions of views and helped his viewers to get healthier lawns.  In this episode, The Sprinkler Nerd and Lawn Care Nut join forces to talk about how irrigation and lawn care specialists can work together to help their customers get the best results.


Mar 13, 2020
#010 - How Nate Started, One Of The Top Suppliers Of Cannabis Cultivation Equipment In The World.

Nate Lipton is the owner of, one of the top suppliers of cannabis cultivation equipment in the world. Nate helps growers source equipment and put together some of the largest, most advanced, cannabis growing operations. He is constantly looking for the top products and methods needed to grow the best cannabis.


>>> Grow Tent Configurator



>> CannaCribs (YouTube)

Mar 06, 2020
#009 - Your Website Is So Boring It Is Killing Your Sales, with Lianna Patch of

You can punch up your website and email copy and break away from the same old techniques!

Many companies are adding humor, emojis, and animated GIFs to their communications to give a more personal and modern feel, and the results have been great!

In this episode, Lianna Patch from joins us to discuss some of the “secret sauce” that you can use to help your business add some personality and character in your communications and on your website.

Lianna’s advice will help you to create a “voice” for your business that will create engagement and set you apart from your competitors. 

You can learn more about Lianna and her business, Punchline Copy, by going to

Feb 28, 2020
#008 - Engineering A Large Irrigation Retrofit with Kyle Desmarais of H2O Irrigation

Join the retrofit goldrush!

Want to learn how to engineer large irrigation retrofits that scale outside of the capabilities of traditional irrigation manufacturers?

Do you have customers with complicated sites?

In this episode, you will hear from Kyle Desmarais, the founder & owner of H2O Irrigation Specialists in Kingston Massachusetts, as he shares specific details about his business and about a large project he is engineering to retrofit.

Learn what type of technology it takes to retrofit 11 controllers, 2 pumps, a make-up well, and over 250 zones of irrigation.

You'll also learn how Kyle started H2O Irrigation and some tips he shares that make his business successful.

H2O Irrigation Specialist:

Feb 17, 2020
#007 - Losing 100lbs in 9 months with Todd Hudgins of Bayside Irrigation

Learn how Todd Hudgins of Bayside Irrigation & Lighting lost over 100lbs in 9months and has kept the weight off for 3 years. Todd will share tips that any irrigation & landscape contractor can use to change their daily habits and live a healthy physical and mental lifestyle.

Dec 20, 2019
#006 - From Irrigation Laborer to Water Conservation Leader - Paul Bassett Shares His Amazing Journey

You become what you think about - and on today's episode, you will hear the story of Paul Bassett's journey from irrigation laborer, to water conservation leader.

Paul jumped headfirst into the irrigation industry at 19 years old working as a basic laborer for a sprinkler company outside Baltimore Maryland.

Fast forward to 2019 where Paul is now a leader in the performance contracting industry helping to save millions of gallons of water per year.

In this episode, Paul and I talk about our early days working together and the specific moments which helped shape both of our careers.

Nov 27, 2019
#005 - Starting a Drone Business with Kent Harris from Minnesota Sodding Company

Flying a drone seems cool, but they’re more than just high-tech toys. For a professional, flying a drone is a new way to make irrigation work better for facilities. In this episode, Andy speaks with Kent Harris, the manager of the Minnesota Sodding Company and a licensed drone professional, to discuss how drones are changing the irrigation game. You’ll hear how these helpful high-flyers are being used to view, track, and measure irrigation audits, and how you can get started using one professionally yourself.



“If these guys can fly it, I can fly it”-Kent Harris 



In this Episode:



- How Kent got started with Minnesota Sodding Company and what it’s been like working with them as a manager for the past three years

- New ways to do irrigation work with our latest technology. 

- What is a 107 license? Plus, learn the importance of having it to be able to use a drone for your work

- What should you look out for when flying a drone? 

- How measurement and gravel pits inventory gets done with 3D imaging 

- Irrigation audit and data tracking made simple by using a Drone in your facility

Connect with Kent:



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Nov 19, 2019
#004 - Learning to Estimate, Bid, and Sell for Success

When customers are looking for the best bid options, it’s not only about what will be financially beneficial, but also about how much value is provided. How can they decide on which company to go with, and how can companies stand out, when there are so many options? In this episode, Andy and Denny talk about the main factors for successfully estimating, bidding, and selling while providing value with every product. They share how estimates and bid systems work, plus ways to protect yourself and customers in each project. 


“If you are going to be the highest bid, you want to make sure you provide value to support your price” -Andy Humphrey


In this Episode:


  • Andy shares how he started as a landscape designer trainee, and everything he learned at his first job that lead him to be an expert at estimations, bids, and sales
  • As a potential customer trying to choose a bid, how do you decide what company to use? 
  • If you are going to present a high bid, make sure you do this
  • How to bid systems and price jobs while maintaining your profit 
  • Why the man-hour return is more important than the price of the product
  • Why checks and balances need to be put in place to protect the client and the company


Connect with Denny Richards:



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Nov 11, 2019
#003 - Customer Service Secrets with Denny Richards

What’s the secret to setting yourself apart with great customer service? In this episode, Andy speaks with Denny Richards, the Customer Service Wizard from the Sprinkler Supply Store. Denny is the go-to guy for helping customers and making sure they feel seen and heard. Today, he shares the secrets to providing great customer service, down to exact phrases to use to better resolve conflicts. Don’t miss his expert insight for providing more value and keeping your customers happy.


“It can be a real trick sometimes to tell the customer NO without saying NO”

 -Denny Richards



In this Episode

  • What’s the deal with Amazon customer service? Andy and Denny dig into the difference between them and other providers like the Sprinkler Supply Store
  • Email rules and response flows for newbies to use as guidance when handling customer requests
  • How to make sure your customers feel heard, plus resources to use when you don’t have the right answers
  • What NOT to say when speaking to your customers and the different choices in words you can use for positive feedback
  • Denny shares how he deals with upset customers, whether on the phone or through email
  • Key points for providing more human value to your customers 




Connect with Denny Richards:



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Nov 04, 2019
#002 - Working in Boston with Tommy of Cambridge Landscape

Did you know that the Boston Public Garden was the first park in the United States and it predates the famous Central Park? Today’s guest is Tommy Carrafiello, who is a Boston native and has been working in the irrigation industry for over 20 years. He is currently connected with Cambridge Landscape, which has been around for 40 years in serving the Boston public. Andy sits down with Tommy as they discuss the changes and improvements that the irrigation industry has seen over the past few decades. Join them and learn a little more about irrigation history!


“As the industry changes, the products change. You have to trust the technology.”

- Tommy Carrafiello


In this Episode

  • How Tommy got into the irrigation business 20 years ago
  • What services that Cambridge Landscape offers
  • The app that the employees use to keep things going
  • How the company adjusts to customers’ wants
  • What frustrates Tommy the most on the job
  • The perks of dealing with the company versus customers doing it by themselves
  • The unique tools they use in doing their job



Cambridge Landscape

Hub App

Boston Public Garden

Central Park



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Oct 28, 2019
#001 - The Marvels of Drip Irrigation with Art Elmers

A lot of residential houses have sprinklers installed on their lawns but, do you know the ins and outs of how they work? Many of us are not aware of how drip irrigation operates and how it helps us make our lives trouble-free. Today, Andy and Art talk about the different types of drip irrigation from point source to inline source and how these operate in various land settings. You will also learn the mechanisms of the regulators and valves that are installed in the system. Join Andy and Art become smart irrigators!



“If we’re going to tackle the issue on climate change and greenhouse gases, we’re going to need to pull CO2 out of the air. We’re going to have to plant a lot of trees, a lot of turf. Without us, green is brown.”

- Art Elmers



In this Episode:

  • How Art became the irrigation expert
  • The difference between how the East Coast and West Coast implement their irrigation system
  • What is inline tubing and how it works
  • The processes in using subsurface drip
  • How pressure is involved with the drip system and the use of a pressure compensator emitter
  • Pressure regulators acts as an insurance policy
  • The benefit of having a check valve installed in the emitter
  • Auto flush valve versus Manual flush valve
  • Common problems and myths encountered with the irrigation system




Connect with Art:

Art's Email Address




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Oct 14, 2019
#000 Welcome to The Sprinkler Nerd Show

Former contestant on the ABC hit television series Shark Tank, irrigation technology expert, and multimillion-dollar eCommerce entrepreneur Andy Humphrey brings his curiosity & creativity to tease out the secrets of successful Green Industry influencers on The Sprinkler Nerd Show.

Discover how to get a leg up on the competition, to be the smartest person at the design table, and advance your career in the irrigation and landscape industry at any level.

All stones will be unturned as Andy digs into the nerdy details of business, technology, and personal growth here on the Sprinkler Nerd show. To join the community of Sprinkler Nerds transforming the Green Industry visit

Sep 20, 2019