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The Systemic Way Podcast is a therapy and mental health podcast featuring conversations with experts, practitioners, researchers, and people with lived experience from the worlds of systemic psychotherapy, family therapy, psychology, social work, and community practice. Hosted by Sezer and Julie, two systemic and family psychotherapists, the podcast explores mental health, relationships, trauma, resilience, social justice, culture, and change. Through engaging discussions on theory, practice, and real-world experiences, listeners gain a deeper understanding of how systemic and relational approaches can support individuals, families, organisations, and communities.
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Music by Rena Paid
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Families at the Heart of Education: The Pears Family School How systemic practice in specialist provision creates lasting change: With Laura Lower and Maya Bell Kohli
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Jun 07, 2026 |
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Reflexive Inquiry and Meaning-Making in Organisations: In conversation with Christine Oliver
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May 17, 2026 |
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From Modalities to Relational Meaning: A Systemic Turn in Integrative Counselling - With Rick Murphy and Lisa Dvorjetz.
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Apr 26, 2026 |
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Inside EFTA-RELATES 2025: Challenging Indifference, Creating Connection, Shaping the Future of the Systemic Field
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Mar 27, 2026 |
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Felt Sense Polyvagal Dialogue in Family Therapy: With Jan Winhall
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Mar 20, 2026 |
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Adolescence: Toxic Masculinity, Online Radicalisation, and Systemic Responsibility. Systemic Lens ep. 4.
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Feb 04, 2026 |
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Once Upon A Time In Grandmotherland: Myths, Meanings and Cultural Discourses with Dr Judith Edwards
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Jan 16, 2026 |
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On Age-in-Therapy: In Conversation with Carole Hunt, Daniel Blake and Polly Kaiser of the DWP Age Group
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Dec 21, 2025 |
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Why Dialogue Cures: In Conversation with Dr Jaako Seikkula
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Nov 30, 2025 |
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White Nanny, Black Child: Systems of Care, Silence and Survival - in conversation with Micheal Henry
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Oct 26, 2025 |
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Still We Listen - Where Whispers Move: Systemic Reverberations of Tracy Chapman's Music with DWP Race Group
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Oct 12, 2025 |
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An Ocean of Meaning in Speech Melody: Accent, identity and Power in Therapy with Jordan Makmihe
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Aug 31, 2025 |
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Reading as Reflexive and Mindful Practice: A Conversation with Desa Markovic
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Aug 02, 2025 |
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The Love Revolution: Soul, Soil & Society with Satish Kumar
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Jul 06, 2025 |
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"In the Nest of Relational Process" - Nora Bateson on Warm Data, Ecology of Connection, and The Systems That Shape Us
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Jun 01, 2025 |
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EFTA - Systemic Therapy in A Changing World: Social justice, Research and Relational Ethics. In conversation with Umberta Telfener, President of EFTA, and Hans Christian Michaelsen, Vice President of EFTA
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May 16, 2025 |
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Liberating Systemic Values: How IFT’s Social Action is Redefining Training, Research, and Organisational Futures: In Conversation with Taiwo Afuape and Sumita Dutta
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Apr 16, 2025 |
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The Wisdom of "Not Knowing" - Collaborative Dialogical Practice and Embracing Curiosity With Dr Harlene Anderson
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Apr 06, 2025 |
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Sailing the 7 C's of Systemic Practice in Primary Healthcare Settings: In conversation with Dr John Launer
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Feb 18, 2025 |
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"Thinking Theory, Talking Ordinary": John Burnham on his Approaches, Methods and Techniques to Therapy, Supervision and Training.
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Feb 03, 2025 |
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Opening Doors for Open Dialogues in the UK: In conversation with Nick Putman
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Jan 19, 2025 |
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Neurodiversity, Systemic Practice, and Reflections – Hayaa’ Network Conference 2024
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Dec 15, 2024 |
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The Divided Island - Film as Systemic Intervention: In conversation with filmmakers Cey Sesiguzel, Andreas Tokkallos and guest co-host Dr Emilios Lemoniatis.
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Dec 01, 2024 |
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Songs of Hope and Change: David Denborough - a journey with the communities of Narrative Therapy
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Nov 17, 2024 |
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Race, Power, Privilege and the Psychology of Otherness: With Dr Dwight Turner
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Oct 27, 2024 |
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Race As The Highest Context Marker: In conversation with AFT's DWP Race Group
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Oct 06, 2024 |
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The Estranged Energy Cycle: Understanding Ruptured Mother-Daughter Relationships with Khara Croswaite Brindle
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Sep 18, 2024 |
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A Tale of Three Sisters: A Movie Analysis from Critically Informed Family Therapy Perspective with Ozlem Kose PhD
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Sep 01, 2024 |
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Addressing Race Based Trauma! With Dr. Jamila Holcomb
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Aug 18, 2024 |
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AI, Web3, The Metaverse and Intersections with Mental Health: With Marianne Le Coyte Grinney
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Jul 21, 2024 |
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Systemic Lens Ep 3: Unpacking the Magic: A Systemic Analysis of Disney's Encanto
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Jul 07, 2024 |
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Beyond Single Stories of Trauma to Narratives of Survival and Strength: With Nsimire Aimee Bisimwa
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Jun 17, 2024 |
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Critical Realism and The Philosophy of Open Systems: In Conversation with David Pocock.
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Jun 09, 2024 |
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Systemic Interventions/Psychotherapy - Two Sides of the Same Coin?: With Umberta Telfener
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May 27, 2024 |
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Collective Care, "Sumud" and Resistance: With Dr. Yoa'd Ghanadry-Hakim
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May 06, 2024 |
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Gender, Sexuality and Adventures Beyond the Binary: In conversation with Amanda Middleton
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Apr 21, 2024 |
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Social Constructionism - Origins, Development and Future in Systemic Practice: With Kenneth J. Gergen Ph.D
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Apr 07, 2024 |
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Integrative Systemic Practice: A Contemporary Framework with Dr Kate Owen and Dr Leonie White
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Mar 24, 2024 |
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Trauma, Resilience and Culture - Systemic Work with Refugee Couples and Families: Dr Shadi Shahnavaz
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Feb 25, 2024 |
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Becoming and Being: Harry Aponte On The Person Of The Therapist
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Feb 14, 2024 |
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Future Directions of JFT and Why Research Matters: In Conversation with Dr Sarah Helps
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Feb 11, 2024 |
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An Odyssey into Second Order Competencies: With Laura Fruggeri and Francesca Balestra
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Jan 14, 2024 |
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Culture, Emotions and the Relationships Between: In Conversation with Batja Mesquita
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Dec 23, 2023 |
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Cultivating Belonging: A Systemic Exploration of Third Culture Kid's (TCK's): In Conversation with Dr. Ruth van Reken
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Dec 10, 2023 |
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Talking Identity and Creating Spaces for Authentic Selves: In conversation with Hendrix Hammond
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Nov 19, 2023 |
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Making Every Session Count: The Philosophy and Practice of Single Session Therapy with Katy Stephenson, Flavio Cannistra and Jeff Young
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Nov 05, 2023 |
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"Practice Based Evidence Based Practice" - Therapy as Collaborative Learning: With Robert van Hennik
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Oct 29, 2023 |
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Opening Doors to Stories of Home - EMOTH (Emotional Map of the Home) with Dr. Viola Sallay and Dr. Tamás Martos
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Oct 08, 2023 |
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Building Bridges: A Reflective Conversation from AFT Symposium #weareaft
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Aug 27, 2023 |
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Diversity, Solidarity and Systemic Change: Talking Diversity Working Party's (DWP) with Parveen Kaur and Amy Urry
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Aug 14, 2023 |
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Re-embracing the Spirt of Adventure: Pedagogy, Stories and Contemporary Narrative Practice with Dr Travis Heath
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Jul 09, 2023 |
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The Therapeutic Alliance - Collaboration, feedback and the use of questionnaires. In conversation with Peter Rober.
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Jun 11, 2023 |
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Reclaiming Attachment Theory and the Interplay Between Neuroscience, Developmental Psychology and Systemic Thinking: In conversation with Graham Music
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May 08, 2023 |
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Systemic Lens Ep.2: Everything Everywhere All At Once: Exploring tales on intergenerational trauma, migration, meaning making and navigating the space and world's between
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Apr 16, 2023 |
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Centering Social Justice in Practice: Vikki Reynolds talks on solidarity, activism and community.
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Apr 07, 2023 |
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Attachment Narratives and the Art of Therapeutic Playfulness: In conversation with Sabine Vermeire
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Mar 19, 2023 |
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Research, Evidence, Practice: A Decade Review of Effective Systemic Interventions with Dr Andrea Wittenborn and Dr Kendal Holtrop
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Mar 05, 2023 |
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Interventions for Working with Separated Parents in Conflict: With Kam Kaur and Claire Field from The Parenting Apart Programme
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Feb 19, 2023 |
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History and Development of Family Therapy at the Tavistock Clinic: Working from the Margins with Charlotte Burck
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Feb 04, 2023 |
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CMM with Vernon Cronen: A life in communications and meaning making.
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Jan 21, 2023 |
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Just Therapy - sacred stories, belonging and social justice as guides for liberating practice: In conversation with Carol Halliwell
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Dec 18, 2022 |
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Using Genograms: A Systemic Therapeutic Tool. In conversation with Monica McGoldrick
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Dec 10, 2022 |
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The Mother & Daughter Puzzle - Attachment, history mapping and the impact of societal and generational stories: In conversation with Rosjke Hasseldine
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Nov 20, 2022 |
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Systemic Supervision: Improvisation, Creativity and the use of Metaphors with Karen Partridge
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Nov 06, 2022 |
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AFT conference 2022 - Reflections, appreciations and resonances - Old Wisdoms and New Truths.
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Oct 29, 2022 |
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Stories Lived and Stories Told: Discussing the legacy and documentary film of the KCC
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Sep 10, 2022 |
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Discovering The Mythical Land of Ireland's Fifth Province - With Dr Imelda McCarthy
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Aug 20, 2022 |
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The Systemic Lens Episode 1: The Wizard of Oz and Systemic Stories of Gender, Power and the Discovery of Self Through Relational Means
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Aug 17, 2022 |
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The 1.5 Order Position: An exploration of "knowing" and "not-knowing" in therapy with Ged Smith.
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Jul 30, 2022 |
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Nick Pendry on Embedding Conversations about Race and Racism into our Everyday Practice.
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Jul 11, 2022 |
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Inga-Britt Krause on the Complexity of Teaching Race and Equity
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Jun 25, 2022 |
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Becoming Your Best Therapeutic Self: In Conversation with Dr Victor Yalom
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Jun 04, 2022 |
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Applying Systemic Concepts to Politics: In conversation with Gwyn Daniel
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May 22, 2022 |
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Contextual Equine Therapy - The Experiential Power of Bringing Together Horses, Families and Therapy: In conversation with Hesther Selbeck
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May 01, 2022 |
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COURRAGE - Healing Communities with Narrative Therapy: An interview with Ncazelo Ncube-Mlilo
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Apr 10, 2022 |
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Exploring EcoTherapy with Chiara Santin
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Mar 26, 2022 |
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The Handbook of Systemic Family Therapy - In conversation with editors Reenee Singh, Mudita Rastogi and Adrian Blow
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Mar 13, 2022 |
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Superhero Therapy Unleashed and Explained: In Conversation with Dr Janina Scarlet
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Feb 26, 2022 |
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Decolonising Psychotherapy: Solidarity, the Co-Struggle and Moving Towards Abolitionist Approaches: In Conversation with Dr. Travis Heath
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Feb 12, 2022 |
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Stephen: A Systemic Analysis of the Stephen Lawrence ITV Drama with Film Writer and Family Therapist Joe Cottrell-Boyce
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Jan 23, 2022 |
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Using Geek Culture in Psychotherapy: A Systemic Odyssey - In Conversation with Josue Cardona
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Jan 08, 2022 |
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Systemic Way Podcast - Catch-Up on 2021
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Dec 30, 2021 |
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Child to Parent Violence and Abuse - A conversation with Helen Bonnick
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Dec 11, 2021 |
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Contextual Safeguarding: Pioneering Approach to Child Protection with Professor Dr Carlene Firmin MBE and Lisa Bostock
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Nov 28, 2021 |
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Systemic Approaches to Leadership - In conversation with Percy Aggett and Philip Messent
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Nov 17, 2021 |
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VIVA Talk! In conversation with Professor Hannah Sherbersky
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Oct 30, 2021 |
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Non-Violence Resistance (NVR) - In conversation with Dr Peter Jakob and Joanne Buchmuller
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Oct 16, 2021 |
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Embodiment in Systemic Practice: A personal journey with Shona Grant
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Oct 02, 2021 |
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Therapeutic Stories and Dramatherapy in Systemic Practice: A conversation with Tayla Bruck
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Sep 19, 2021 |
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Sharing Systemic Stories - A Writing Project by Nana Bonsu and Marilena Karamatsouki
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Sep 05, 2021 |
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Cross Cultural Systemic Practice in Singapore: A Conversation with Maimunah Mosli and Fajar Saban
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Aug 22, 2021 |
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A conversation with Peter Rober: Inner conversations, dual processes and the self-reflective therapist
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Jul 31, 2021 |
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The Solution Focused Conversation - Solution Focused Brief Therapy - With Eileen Murphy and Mawuli Amesu
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Jul 18, 2021 |
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Walking your Walk: Dr Sharon Bond and Kerri Newns share experiences on developing a systemic training course.
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Jul 03, 2021 |
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Gwyn Daniel talking Family Dramas: Connections Between the Arts, Shakespeare and Systemic Thinking.
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Jun 19, 2021 |
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Systemic Approaches in Social Work: A conversation with Nana Bonsu and Derek Dyer
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Jun 06, 2021 |
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Small Acts of Resistance - Thinking about Refugees: In conversation with Esther Usiskin Cohen
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May 23, 2021 |
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Izzat (honour), Sharam (shame) and the Call for Systemic Explorations: A conversation with Doreen Robinson and Dr Reenee Singh
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Apr 24, 2021 |
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Black Therapist - White Families, Therapists’ Perceptions of Cultural Competence and the making of The International Handbook of Black Community Mental Health : A conversation with Karen Carberry and Dr Belinda Brooks-Gordon
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Apr 24, 2021 |
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Connecting family scripts and systemic training: A conversation with Vanessa Walker
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Apr 12, 2021 |
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The "Good Enough" Family Therapist: A conversation with Amy Urry
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Mar 28, 2021 |
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Jason and the Technicolour Social GGRRAAACCEEESSS: In conversation with Jason Maldonado-Page
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Mar 14, 2021 |
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Important Factors That Shape My Systemic Practice: In conversation with Dr Ged Smith
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Mar 14, 2021 |
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Multiculturalism, Social Justice and Third Wave Feminism: A conversation with Dr Manijeh Daneshpour
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Mar 14, 2021 |