60 Songs That Explain the '90s

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The 1990s were a turning point in music: with the increasingly connected world enabling an unprecedented coalescence of various styles and genres, the decade featured the rapid evolution of sonic artistry — and subsequently shaped the soundscape of eras that followed. Listen along as The Ringer’s preeminent music critic Rob Harvilla curates and explores 60 iconic songs from the ‘90s that define the decade.

Episode Date
“Shoop”—Salt-N-Pepa
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Join Rob as he dives into his deepest darkest memories of clinging to gymnasium walls as all the other brave middle schoolers got their groove on to some ’90s R&B. Oh and, somewhere along the way, listen and learn about Salt-N-Pepa and their sexually charged song “Shoop.” Later, Pitchfork’s Julianne Escobedo Shepherd joins the mix to answer some of Rob’s Salt-N-Pepa questions (48:00). Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Julianne Escobedo Shepherd Producers: Jonathan Kermah and Justin Sayles Additional Production Support: Chloe Clark Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
May 24, 2023
“Smells Like Teen Spirit”—Nirvana with Courtney Love
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Rob is back and ready to share his inner-most thoughts on Batman movies, hearing Nirvana for the first time, and more as he looks back at quite possibly the most inescapable song of the '90s, “Smells Like Teen Spirit.” (4:00) Later he is joined by rockstar, lead singer of Hole, and wife of Kurt Cobain, Courtney Love to discuss her relationship with Kurt, Kurt’s beef with Pearl Jam, the original lyrics of “Smells Like Teen Spirit,” and much more (1:12:00). Preorder Rob’s new book, ‘Songs That Explain the ‘90s' here. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Courtney Love Producers: Jonathan Kermah and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
May 17, 2023
'60 Songs' Returns May 17!
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Join Rob as he explores more iconic songs from the ’90s with even more special guests starting May 17. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
May 03, 2023
"A Roller Skating Jam Named ‘Saturdays'"—De La Soul
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Rob dives into De La Soul’s least favorite song to perform, the impact of the rap group, Trugoy the Dove’s passing, and more when looking back at “A Roller Skating Jam Named ‘Saturdays’” with some assistance from Open Mike Eagle on the back end. Host: Rob Harvilla  Guest: Open Mike Eagle Producers: Jonathan Kermah and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Feb 22, 2023
“Torn”—Natalie Imbruglia
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Rob looks back at his days in a band while diving into cover songs and Natalie Imbruglia’s “Torn.” Later, he is joined by Sophie B. Hawkins to discuss her hit “Damn I Wish I Was Your Lover” as well as “Torn.” Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Sophie B. Hawkins Producers: Justin Sayles and Jonathan Kermah Additional Production Support: Chloe Clark Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Feb 15, 2023
“Macarena”—Los del Rio
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Rob looks back at the meteoric rise of “Macarena” and the song’s ability to get politicians to make a fool of themselves. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Leila Cobo Producers: Justin Sayles and Jonathan Kermah Additional Production Support: Chloe Clark Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Feb 08, 2023
“Basket Case”—Green Day
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Rob looks back at the first band he ever interviewed in his hometown while diving into Green Day’s rise to stardom.Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Hanif Abdurraqib Producer: Justin Sayles Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Additional Production Support: Abou Kamara Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Feb 01, 2023
“Enjoy the Silence”—Depeche Mode
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Rob looks back at his college radio DJ days while diving into Depeche Mode’s “Enjoy the Silence.” Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Craig Jenkins Producer: Justin Sayles Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Additional Production Support: Abou Kamara Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Jan 25, 2023
“F--k and Run”—Liz Phair
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Rob looks back at ‘Ferris Bueller's Day Off’ when diving into Liz Phair’s “F--k and Run” and the rest of her career. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Sam Lipsyte Producer: Justin Sayles Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Additional Production Support: Abou Kamara Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Jan 18, 2023
"Only Wanna Be with You”—Hootie & The Blowfish
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Rob spills on his love/hate relationship with LeBron James over the years while deep diving on how Hootie & The Blowfish got their name, the difference between primarily fun music and totally disposable music, and the imprint left by band. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Leslie Streeter Producer: Justin Sayles Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Additional Production Support: About Kamara Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Jan 11, 2023
“Tyrone - Live”—Erykah Badu
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Rob explores his love for live albums while looking back at Erykah Badu’s “Tyrone.” Along the way he explains why the live version of the song is the clearly superior recording. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Clover Hope Producer: Justin Sayles Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Additional Productional Support: Abou Kamara Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Jan 04, 2023
Mailbag
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Rob is joined by ‘Bandsplain’ host Yasi Salek to read some of your fan mail and answer questions. Why do you live in Ohio? Which band do you regret not having an episode on? Nirvana or Pearl Jam? Tune in to hear Rob answer these questions and more. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Yasi Salek Producer: Justin Sayles Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Dec 21, 2022
“Ice Ice Baby”—Vanilla Ice
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Rob dives into his top five all-time favorite '90s white rapper songs when looking back at the rise and fall of Vanilla Ice with his 1990 hit “Ice Ice Baby.” Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Tom Breihan Producer: Justin Sayles Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Dec 14, 2022
“Yellow Ledbetter”—Pearl Jam
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Rob looks back at some of the first CDs he ever owned when diving into Pearl Jam’s lyrically incomprehensible B-side hit “Yellow Ledbetter.” Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Steven Hyden Producer: Justin Sayles Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Additional Productional Support: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Dec 07, 2022
“Stay (I Missed You)”—Lisa Loeb
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Rob is joined by ‘Boy Meets World’ star and host of the podcast ‘Boy Meets 90’s’ Rider Strong to look back at Lisa Loeb’s 1994 hit “Stay (I Missed You).” Along the way, Rob dives into whether Winona chose the right guy in ‘Reality Bites,’ the ‘Reality Bites’ soundtrack, mourning a high school friend, and much more. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Rider Strong Producer: Justin Sayles Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Nov 30, 2022
“Return of the Mack”—Mark Morrison
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Rob reminisces on his first days working in a newsroom and watching ‘ThunderCats’ outtakes, all while riding on the sleek R&B roads of memory lane when looking back at Mark Morrison’s big hit “Return of the Mack,” along with other hip-hop-influenced '90s R&B songs. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Justin Charity Producer: Justin Sayles Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Additional Productional Support: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Nov 16, 2022
“It Was a Good Day”—Ice Cube
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Rob dives into the world of N.W.A. and gangsta rap, looking back at Ice Cube’s more peaceful hit, “It Was A Good Day.” Along the way, he finds time to reminisce on his life as an RA in college. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Van Lathan Producer: Justin Sayles Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Additional Productional Support: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Nov 09, 2022
“Goodbye Earl”—The Chicks
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Rob is back to dive into the empowering anthem that is “Goodbye Earl,” along with the impact of the Chicks and other women in country music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Amanda Shires Producer: Justin Sayles Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Nov 02, 2022
“Walk”—Pantera
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Bring your electric guitars and join us as Rob dives into the world of heavy metal when taking a look back at Pantera’s certified head smasher, “Walk.” Later, Sean Fennessy joins the show to discuss what ‘Extreme Championship Wrestling’ has to do with Pantera. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Sean Fennessy Producer: Justin Sayles Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Oct 26, 2022
"Zombie”—The Cranberries
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What do ‘Ferris Bueller’s Day Off,’ The Smiths, and Rob’s lack of basketball skill have to do with the Irish rock band the Cranberries and their 1994 hit “Zombie”? Press play to find out as Rob deep dives on the song and the impact of lead singer Dolores O'Riordan. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Shadrach Kabango Producer: Justin Sayles Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Aug 17, 2022
“Firestarter”—The Prodigy
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Rob celebrates the song “Firestarter” while looking back at the electronic band the Prodigy. While contextualizing the band, he also discusses the backlash surrounding their song “Smack My Bitch Up.” Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Jeremy D Larson Producer: Justin Sayles Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Audio Intern: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Aug 10, 2022
“Together Again”—Janet Jackson
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Rob looks back at the house-influenced 1997 pop hit that is “Together Again.” Along the way, he highlights the sensational career of pop icon Janet Jackson, and some of her best laughs on songs. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: DJ Louie XIV Producer: Justin Sayles Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Audio Intern: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Aug 03, 2022
“In Circles”—Sunny Day Real Estate
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Listen as Rob delves into his most vivid memories of late-night video game binges with his band. Somewhere along the way, we’ll look back at Sunny Day Real Estate’s “In Circles” to fulfill our duties for The Ringer’s Emo Week. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Ian Cohen Producer: Justin Sayles Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Audio Intern: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Jul 27, 2022
“Sabotage”—Beastie Boys
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Rob dives into the Beastie Boys' evolution from frat boy rap group to enlightened men while he looks back at the anthem that is “Sabotage.” Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Jane Coaston Producers: Justin Sayles and Devon Renaldo Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Additional Production: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Jul 20, 2022
“Closer”—Nine Inch Nails
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Rob reminisces about the first time he heard “Closer” by Nine Inch Nails, the state of industrial rock during that time, and his deep love for Trent Reznor. Host: Rob Harvilla Guests: William Hutson and Jonathan Snipes from .clipping Producers: Justin Sayles and Devon Renaldo Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Additional Production: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Jul 13, 2022
“Real Love”—Mary J. Blige
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Rob explores the making of Mary J. Blige and Method Man’s “I’ll Be There For You / You’re All I Need,” the pain in Mary’s music and real life, and much more when looking back at “Real Love.” Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Leslie Streeter Producers: Jonathan Kermah and Justin Sayles Audio Intern: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Jun 29, 2022
“Bitter Sweet Symphony”—The Verve
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Rob looks back at The Verve’s “Bitter Sweet Symphony” and the band's legal battles over royalties owed to The Rolling Stones. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Niko Stratis Producers: Jonathan Kermah and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Jun 22, 2022
“Doll Parts”—Hole
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Rob looks back at the Los Angeles based band Hole, the pain within the lyrics of “Doll Parts,” and Courtney Love coping with the death of Kurt Cobain. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Yasi Salek Producers: Jonathan Kermah and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Jun 15, 2022
“Shook Ones, Part II”—Mobb Deep
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Rob brings the pod to Queensbridge this week as he looks back at the ‘Infamous’ rap duo that is Mobb Deep and their legendary song “Shook Ones, Part II.” This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Paul Thompson Producers: Jonathan Kermah and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Jun 08, 2022
“Pretty Fly (For A White Guy)“—The Offspring
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Rob looks back at the comedic punk rock classic that is “Pretty Fly (For a White Guy)” along with much more from the Offspring’s catalog. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. .Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Zack Mykula Producers: Jonathan Kermah and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Jun 01, 2022
“Been Caught Stealing”—Jane’s Addiction
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Rob brings his own bass to the party as he looks back at Jane’s Addiction’s “Been Caught Stealing,” along with some of his favorite basslines in rock music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Karina Longworth Producers: Jonathan Kermah and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
May 25, 2022
“I Can’t Make You Love Me” — Bonnie Raitt
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Rob looks back at the heartbreak anthem that is “I Can’t Make You Love Me,” while also looking back at the phases of Bonnie Raitt’s lengthy career, as well as some of the biggest heartbreaks of his own past. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Emma Carmichael Producers: Jonathan Kermah and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
May 18, 2022
“Whoomp! (There It Is)” — Tag Team
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Rob looks back at Tag Team’s no. 2 charting single “Whoomp! (There It Is)” along with the controversy surrounding the song and 95 South’s release of “Whoot, There It Is.” This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Rodney Carmichael Producers: Jonathan Kermah and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
May 11, 2022
" ... Baby One More Time"—Britney Spears
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'60 Songs' returns for another batch of songs by covering the Big Bang of late '90s teen pop, Britney Spears's " ... Baby One More Time." Rob breaks down Britney's early career, how the media handled the young star, the song's perfect chorus, and much more. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Doreen St. Félix Producers: Jonathan Kermah and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
May 04, 2022
"Would?“—Alice in Chains
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Rob closes out the first set songs with a heartfelt appraisal of Layne Staley via an exploration of the Seattle band’s tribute to vocalist Andrew Wood. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Chuck Klosterman Producer: Justin Sayles  Associate Producer: Devon Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Feb 09, 2022
“It’s Good to Be King”—Tom Petty
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Rob explores the joy, terror, and fulfillment of fatherhood through one of classic rock’s dynamic frontmen, Tom Petty. Rob runs down Petty’s career, including his MTV music video impact, the ‘Wildflowers’ standout “It’s Good to Be King,” and how Petty prepared him for the most transformative experience of his life. Plus, a big announcement about the future of the show. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Stephen Rodrick  Producer: Justin Sayles Associate Producer: Devon Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Feb 02, 2022
“California Love”—Tupac
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Rob Harvilla explores the legacy of Tupac Shakur, one of the most important figures hip-hop ever birthed and a person whose life was defined by contradictions. He breaks down Tupac’s rise in music and Hollywood and his latter-day stint at Death Row Records, including the mega-hit “California Love.” This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Andreas Hale Producer: Justin Sayles Associate Producer: Devon Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Jan 26, 2022
“Killing In The Name”—Rage Against The Machine
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Rob explores the history of Los Angeles rock band Rage Against the Machine and their debut single, “Killing in the Name.” By calling out police brutality and political corruption, the furious four-piece became one of the most rebellious bands of the 1990s and brought socialist and revolutionary ideas to the mainstream. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Sage Francis  Producer: Justin Sayles Associate Producer: Devon Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Jan 19, 2022
“Ex-Factor”—Lauryn Hill
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Rob explores the memory of a lost love in Lauryn Hill’s “Ex-Factor.” Tracking her rise to fame first as a member of the Fugees then as a solo star, he dissects how she spoke her truth and in doing so became one of the greatest singers and rappers ever. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Daphne Brooks Producer: Justin Sayles Associate Producer: Devon Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Jan 12, 2022
“A Long December”—Counting Crows
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Rob explores what happens when you make music your everything. Through the lens of Counting Crows lead singer Adam Duritz, Rob breaks down the band’s ballad “A Long December” before The Ringer’s Bill Simmons joins to contemplate Adam’s struggle to prioritize happiness. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Bill Simmons  Producer: Justin Sayles Associate Producer: Lani Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Dec 22, 2021
“Criminal” - Fiona Apple
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Rob explores the radical and blunt nature of Fiona Apple. Nearly 25 years after “Criminal” made a jaded 18-year-old into an alt-rock superstar, Harvilla looks at the songstress’s outspoken antics, her views on exploitation, that infamous Spin article, and more.  This episode contains content about sexual assault and eating disorders. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Katie Baker Producer: Justin Sayles Associate Producer: Lani Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Dec 15, 2021
“Smooth” - Santana
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Rob explores the spiritual and sexy Carlos Santana. Assisted by Matchbox 20 vocalist Rob Thomas, Santana created what may have been the song of the decade, “Smooth.” Rob looks into the guitarist’s passion for collaboration and how record mogul Clive Davis took the ’70s rock legend and turned him into a 1990s Billboard chart-topping force. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Leila Cobo Producer: Justin Sayles Associate Producer: Lani Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Dec 08, 2021
Spice Girls—“Wannabe”
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Rob explores the Fierce Five, a.k.a. the Spice Girls, who became the biggest-selling girl group in the world following the success of their smash hit “Wannabe.” Rob tracks their rise to international stardom, a failed film, and the attempt to spread “Girl Power” across the globe. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Laura Snapes Producer: Justin Sayles Associate Producer: Lani Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Dec 01, 2021
DMX—“Ruff Ryder’s Anthem”
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Rob explores the spiritual genius of the late rapper DMX. He observes X’s power of prayer, recounts the rapper’s destructive childhood, and tells the tale of how the breakout hit “Ruff Ryder’s Anthem” came to be. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Shea Serrano Producer: Justin Sayles Associate Producer: Lani Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Nov 24, 2021
Radiohead—“Creep”
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Rob explores the obsessive and eerily constructed hit “Creep,” which arrived on Radiohead’s debut album, ‘Pablo Honey.’ He discusses the origins of the track, the exhaustion caused by the song’s commercial success, and the power of ’90s rock. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Annie Zaleski Producer: Justin Sayles Associate Producer: Lani Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Nov 17, 2021
Celine Dion—“My Heart Will Go On”
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Rob explores legendary Canadian vocalist Celine Dion’s blockbuster hit “My Heart Will Go On” by discussing her illustrious career, the sheer force she brings to every song, and the unapologetic attitude with which she approaches her music. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Leslie Gray Streeter Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Nov 03, 2021
Bone Thugs-N-Harmony—“Tha Crossroads”
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Rob explores Cleveland rap group Bone Thugs-N-Harmony’s hit “Tha Crossroads” by discussing the origins of the quintet, their innovative musical style, and the power of singing about grief. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Israel Daramola Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Associate Producer: Lani Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Oct 27, 2021
Blink-182—“What’s My Age Again?”
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Rob explores punk royalty Blink-182’s “What’s My Age Again?” by discussing the band’s unapologetic celebration of immaturity, their musical influences, and what so-called selling out meant for rock artists during that era. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Dan Ozzi Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Oct 20, 2021
Billy Ray Cyrus—“Achy Breaky Heart”
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Rob explores Billy Ray Cyrus’s smash hit “Achy Breaky Heart” by discussing the new traditionalist movement in country music and how it affected Cyrus’s career. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Holly Gleason Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Oct 13, 2021
Aaliyah—“One in a Million”
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Rob explores R&B sensation Aaliyah’s hit single “One in a Million” by discussing her meteoric rise to pop stardom at an early age, her innovative musical style, and her legacy. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Kelefa Sanneh Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Oct 06, 2021
R.E.M.—“Nightswimming”
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Rob explores alternative rock band R.E.M.’s piano ballad “Nightswimming” by discussing the band’s musical journey and their songs’ frequent lack of lyrical coherence. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Jay Caspian Kang Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Sep 29, 2021
Outkast—“Rosa Parks”
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Rob explores legendary hip-hop duo Outkast’s hit “Rosa Parks” by discussing their deep roots in Atlanta and the change they brought to the then-bicoastal rap landscape. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Jewel Wicker Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Sep 22, 2021
Tori Amos — “Cornflake Girl”
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Rob explores singer-songwriter Tori Amos’s hit single “Cornflake Girl” by discussing her performing prowess, her unique artistry, and her tense relationship with the press. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Maya Salam Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Sep 15, 2021
Oasis—“Wonderwall”
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Rob explores Britpop icon Oasis’s enduring megahit “Wonderwall” by discussing the Gallagher brothers’ notoriously contentious relationship and the band’s place in the lineage of British rock. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Steven Hyden Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Sep 08, 2021
Boyz II Men—“End of the Road”
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Rob explores the legendary R&B quartet Boyz II Men’s record-smashing single “End of the Road” by discussing the group’s universal appeal, their unprecedented success, and the massive footprint they left on the music industry. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Keith Murphy Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Jul 28, 2021
Limp Bizkit—“Nookie”
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Rob explores rap-rock band Limp Bizkit’s signature single “Nookie” by discussing the rise of nü metal and how the genre centers around rage in its many expressions. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Brittany Spanos Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Jul 21, 2021
Madonna—“Vogue”
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Rob explores Madonna’s ’90s house hit “Vogue” by discussing the Queen of Pop’s remarkable ability to reinvent herself, her meticulous involvement in her work, and how those within the ballroom scene received her musical homage. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Caryn Ganz Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Jul 14, 2021
Coolio—“Gangsta’s Paradise”
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Rob explores Los Angeles rapper Coolio’s megahit “Gangsta’s Paradise” by discussing the distance between the stark realities behind much of hip-hop’s lyrical content and rap songs’ public reception as pop music. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Christopher R. Weingarten Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Jul 07, 2021
Cake—“The Distance”
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Rob explores Cake’s hit single “The Distance” by discussing the Sacramento band’s quirky sensibilities, the role of sarcasm in their lyricism, and their eccentric production choices. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Sadie Dupuis Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Jun 30, 2021
Pavement—“Gold Soundz”
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Rob explores indie-rock darling Pavement’s critically acclaimed hit “Gold Soundz” by discussing their quirky charm, enigmatic lyrics, and unique fan following. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Chris Ryan Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Jun 23, 2021
Brandy and Monica—“The Boy Is Mine”
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Rob explores R&B stars Brandy and Monica’s legendary duet “The Boy Is Mine” by discussing the extent to which the two singers’ purported feud was true and how, regardless of its legitimacy, it shaped a compelling narrative around the song. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Naima Cochrane Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Jun 16, 2021
Third Eye Blind—“Semi-Charmed Life”
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Rob explores San Francisco rock band Third Eye Blind’s hit “Semi-Charmed Life” by discussing front man Stephan Jenkins’s reputation, songwriting prowess, and unconventional appeal. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Max Collins Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Jun 09, 2021
Sinéad O’Connor—“Nothing Compares 2 U”
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Rob explores Irish singer-songwriter Sinéad O’Connor’s acclaimed rendition of “Nothing Compares 2 U” by discussing how she made the Prince-written song her own, her fervent commitment to activism, and the controversies that derailed her career. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Ann Powers Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Jun 02, 2021
Juvenile—“Back That Azz Up”
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Rob explores New Orleans rapper Juvenile’s bounce anthem “Back That Azz Up.” He discusses how Juvenile’s unique voice complements the bounce genre and delves into the origins of Cash Money Records. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guests: Micah Peters and Justin Charity Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
May 26, 2021
Red Hot Chili Peppers—“Under the Bridge”
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Rob explores the indefinable Red Hot Chili Peppers’ hit single “Under the Bridge” by discussing the band’s tumultuous history and rambunctious identity. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: John Moe Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
May 19, 2021
Whitney Houston—“I Will Always Love You”
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Rob explores the late great Whitney Houston’s iconic cover of “I Will Always Love You” by discussing the legendary vocalist’s life and legacy. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Gerrick Kennedy Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
May 12, 2021
Weezer—“Say It Ain’t So”
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Rob explores Weezer’s acclaimed emo hit “Say It Ain’t So” by discussing the band’s unique identity within alternative rock and the story behind the song’s lyrical content. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Bobby Bones Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
May 05, 2021
Dave Matthews Band—“Crash Into Me”
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Rob explores Dave Matthews Band’s “Crash Into Me” by discussing the band’s immense musical prowess and artistry contrasted with their fandom’s reputation. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Yasi Salek Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Apr 28, 2021
Björk—“Hyperballad”
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Rob explores Icelandic musician Björk’s hit “Hyperballad” by discussing her unique artistry and the various ways she stretched beyond the conventions of popular music. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Rumaan Alam Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Apr 21, 2021
A Tribe Called Quest—“Scenario”
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Rob explores A Tribe Called Quest’s “Scenario” by discussing the chemistry at the center of the group’s excellence and where the song ranks among the best posse cuts in rap history. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Shea Serrano Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Apr 14, 2021
Luniz—"I Got 5 on It"
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Rob explores the Luniz’ weed anthem “I Got 5 on It” by discussing the history of Bay Area rap and how the song’s remix showcases the region’s all-stars. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guests: Logan Murdock and Marcus Thompson Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Apr 07, 2021
Selena—“Dreaming of You”
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Rob explores Tejano superstar Selena’s posthumous crossover hit “Dreaming of You” by discussing her success in both Spanish-language and English-language music as well as the monumental legacy she left behind for Latinx artists. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Suzy Exposito Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Mar 31, 2021
Pulp—“Common People”
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Rob explores Britpop band Pulp’s signature anthem “Common People” by discussing the layers of class criticism in its lyrics and the exciting but combative Britpop moment of the ’90s. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Dorian Lynskey Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Mar 24, 2021
Tool—“Stinkfist”
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Rob explores Los Angeles metal band Tool’s “Stinkfist” by discussing how they found success mixing visceral shock and poetic depth in their music. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Laina Dawes Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Mar 17, 2021
Shania Twain—“Man! I Feel Like a Woman!”
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Rob explores country icon Shania Twain’s crossover hit “Man! I Feel Like a Woman!” by discussing her pioneering within and outside of Nashville as well as her professional and personal relationship with producer Mutt Lange. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Marissa R. Moss Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Mar 10, 2021
The Notorious B.I.G.—“Juicy”
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Rob explores the East Coast rapper the Notorious B.I.G.’s mainstream breakout single, “Juicy,” by discussing Biggie’s life and legacy as it compares to the narrative around him and his music. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Jon Caramanica Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Mar 03, 2021
Temple of the Dog—“Hunger Strike”
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Rob explores grunge supergroup Temple of the Dog’s signature single “Hunger Strike” by discussing the rise of Seattle as the center of the alternative rock scene, the band’s fixation with darkness, and the genre’s complex relationship with ’70s nostalgia. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Eric Harvey Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Feb 24, 2021
TLC—“No Scrubs”
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Rob explores TLC’s blockbuster R&B hit “No Scrubs” by discussing the iconic girl group’s underappreciated impact on culture, the unjust media coverage of female artists, and their unique place in history as champions of Black women in America. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Danyel Smith Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Feb 17, 2021
No Doubt—“Just a Girl”
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Rob explores ska-punk sensation No Doubt’s feminist anthem “Just a Girl” by discussing the rise of third-wave ska and Gwen Stefani’s turn as a solo artist. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Puja Patel Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Feb 10, 2021
Dr. Dre—“Nuthin’ But a G-Thang”
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Rob explores legendary producer Dr. Dre’s iconic debut album ‘The Chronic’ and its lead single, “Nuthin’ But a G-Thang,” by discussing Dre’s extraordinary chemistry with other rappers, his towering influence on West Coast gangsta rap, and his dark history of violence against women. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Sheldon Pearce Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Feb 04, 2021
C+C Music Factory—“Gonna Make You Sweat (Everybody Dance Now)”
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Rob explores the C+C Music Factory’s debut hit “Gonna Make You Sweat (Everybody Dance Now)” by discussing the group’s rise to popularity from the underground dance scene and the controversy surrounding their exclusion of featured singer Martha Wash. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Craig Seymour Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Jan 28, 2021
New Radicals—“You Get What You Give”
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Rob explores the New Radicals’ signature hit, “You Get What You Give,” performed for the first time in 22 years at President Joe Biden’s inauguration. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Rob Sheffield Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Jan 21, 2021
Metallica—“Enter Sandman”
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Rob explores thrash metal icon Metallica’s “Enter Sandman” by discussing the band’s trajectory from their early work to their mainstream turn and their wide influence thereafter. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Dave Chang Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Jan 14, 2021
The Breeders—“Cannonball”
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Rob explores alternative rock darlings The Breeders’ breakout hit “Cannonball” by discussing the band’s predecessor, The Pixies; Kim Deal’s uniquely captivating voice; and the song’s charming disregard for music norms. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Open Mike Eagle Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Jan 07, 2021
Master P—“Make 'Em Say Uhh!”
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Rob explores Master P’s platinum single “Make 'Em Say Uhh!” by discussing the rapper’s famed business acumen, what he means to New Orleans hip-hop, and how his label No Limit Records paved the way for empowering rappers. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guests: Micah Peters and Taylor Crumpton Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Dec 31, 2020
Backstreet Boys—“I Want It That Way”
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Rob explores one of the greatest boy band songs of all time, “I Want It That Way” by the Backstreet Boys, by discussing the nonsensical yet sonically pleasing lyricism and the perception of boy bands in larger cultural criticism. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Maria Sherman Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Dec 17, 2020
Smashing Pumpkins—“Mayonaise”
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Rob explores the Smashing Pumpkins’ shoegazing power ballad “Mayonaise” by discussing how the eccentricities of frontman Billy Corgan directed the band’s trajectory, the band’s ability to tap into the universal feeling of isolation, and where the band was situated within the '90s rock landscape. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Bill Simmons Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Dec 10, 2020
Mariah Carey—“All I Want for Christmas Is You”
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Rob explores Mariah Carey’s modern classic Christmas anthem “All I Want for Christmas Is You” by discussing the transcendent vocalist’s tumultuous early life and career, her oft-overlooked songwriting prowess, and how the song builds on the long canon of Christmas music. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Kyla Marshell Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Dec 03, 2020
Geto Boys—"Mind Playing Tricks On Me"
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Rob explores the revolutionary Geto Boys single ‘Mind Playing Tricks On Me’ by highlighting how it expresses raw vulnerability through its lyrics and its legacy in hip-hop to the present day. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Kiana Fitzgerald Producers: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Nov 19, 2020
Guns N’ Roses—“November Rain”
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Rob explores Guns N’ Roses’ signature power ballad “November Rain” in all of its extremely lengthy glory by discussing the band’s turbulent trajectory, the profound genius of Slash’s guitar playing, the song’s equally recognizable music video, and the moral detriment to enjoying the creative work of Axl Rose. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Naomi Fry Producers: Justin Sayles and Isaac Lee Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Nov 12, 2020
Missy Elliott—“The Rain (Supa Dupa Fly)”
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Rob explores Missy Elliott’s breakout single “The Rain (Supa Dupa Fly)” and the Hall of Famer’s singular career, highlighting her lasting influence on hip-hop and R&B as well as her longstanding partnership with legendary producer Timbaland. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Clover Hope Producer: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Nov 05, 2020
Wu-Tang Clan—“C.R.E.A.M.”
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Rob explores the Wu-Tang Clan’s 1993 genre-defining classic “C.R.E.A.M.” and the unique circumstances that were seminal to the group’s identity. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Lex Pryor Producer: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Oct 29, 2020
Gin Blossoms—“Hey Jealousy”
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Rob explores the 1992 jangle-rock hit “Hey Jealousy” and how it integrates the darkness of its lyrical content into its bright sonic framework. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Hanif Abdurraqib Producer: Isaac Lee Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Oct 22, 2020
Alanis Morissette—"You Oughta Know"
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Rob explores the iconic 1995 single "You Oughta Know" by Canadian singer Alanis Morissette by examining its cultural influence and distinct sound. This episode was originally produced as a Music and Talk show available exclusively on Spotify. Find the full song on Spotify or wherever you get your music. Host: Rob Harvilla Guest: Amanda Dobbins Producer: Isaac Lee and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Oct 15, 2020