"Anything But Design" is a podcast about weird, wonderful, and unexpected stories about designers that are anything but design. Because yeah, there's a lot more to the story. Host Ryan Rumsey welcomes different designers each week, and together, they talk about the things they want to talk about. Each week we take these conversations, mix them up together, and see what happens. This podcast is brought to you by Second Wave Dive; the community, courses, and content to help design leaders make better decisions and lead with confidence. Learn more at www.secondwavedive.com.