Building on the themes in Mike Abel’s book, Willing & Abel: Lessons from a Decade in Crisis, this podcast offers insight, wisdom and nuanced thought through interesting conversations with innovators, thought leaders and business people who all have one thing in common: they believe in driving society forward. This podcast aims to address, not shy away from, the challenges of being in South Africa – and the world – right now. Mike and his guests answer the question: what does it mean to be hopeful, despite…? Proudly produced by 2Stories. Season 1 of Willing & Abel is brought to you by M&C Saatchi Abel, a proudly South African award-winning creative company founded on the principle of “Brutal Simplicity of Thought”.