**Making Sense of Ourselves** is a podcast about the hard work it takes to get to know yourself. Each episode listen to two peers spanning continents discussing introspection, self awareness, growth and peership. Hosted by Abby Covert and Alfi Oloo About Abby Abby Covert is an information architect with 20 years experience making sense of messes and teaching others how to do the same. About Alfi Alfi is a self-taught product designer with a deep specialization in design systems. As a co-host of the "Edit Undo Podcast" and a trailblazing advocate for mentorship.