Description

It's fun to be a little messy.

Most conversations about brand and business are cleaned up before you hear them. The messy middle is edited out. The bad calls get reframed as lessons. Everything lands neatly.

This Is a Draft is the version before all of that.

Hosted by Riley Schmitz (brand strategist and founder of Unless Creative) this show is for the founders building something real, and the creatives figuring out what they want to build next.

Grab a strong coffee – or espresso martini, if that's you jam – & press play.