Every product creates a relationship between the people who build it and the people who use it. Changing Shapes is a podcast for founders, builders and operators who want to make things that connect with the people who use them. Host Tom Horak, founder of All Shapes (allshapes.io), talks with people who have built that relationship between product and audience, and gets them to walk through exactly how. Tom founded the studio behind Five Minute Journal and The Doctor’s Kitchen. He started his career in fine art and has spent over a decade thinking about what makes that relationship hold up. New episodes weekly.