IndoctriNation

By Rachel Bernstein

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Talk Beliefs YouTube channel
 Jul 23, 2019
An in-depth and sensitively handled show dealing with cults and coercion, expertly hosted by Rachel.

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Welcome to IndoctriNation: A weekly podcast covering cults, manipulators, and protecting yourself from systems of control.

Episode Date
From TTI to LMFT w/Julianne Bull
01:14:19
Julianne Bull is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist living in Los Angeles. She holds a masters degree in Marriage and Family Therapy from the University of Southern California and has been a practicing therapist for about seven years. She currently utilizes DBT work with adolescents, as well as being a Certified Animal Assisted Therapy Professional. At age 14, Julianne was sent away for a year to two Troubled Teen Industry programs, the experiences which inspired her to become a therapist for teens and use her work to fight against this damaging and dangerous industry Julianne joins Rachel to discuss her harrowing experience as a teenager at two different teen treatment facilities where she suffered neglect and abuse that caused her trauma for many years to come. Julianne explains to Rachel how finally seeing a legitimate therapist inspired her to pursue the profession herself, pointing out how her time in grips of the troubled teen industry informs the way she works with teens in her own practice. Before You Go: Rachel reflects on how what Julianne described as her "stubbornness" was actually a strength that ultimately helped her survive and offers advice to parents struggling with difficult teens. Find more about Julianne's practice here: https://www.juliannebull.com/ You can sign up for Rachel's webinar series LIVING IN FREEDOM here: https://rachelbernsteintherapy.com/webinar.html Thanks to all of our newest Patreon supporters: Jamie Gunning, Brett Jellen, Gabrielle Coleman, Danielle Hirokane, Jena Higdon, Rebecca Sigel, Cecilia, The New Inquiry, Kymberley Alberts Sauer, Kristen King, Elizabeth Wolfington, Ryan Pence, Amanda Smith, Julia Colmenero-Skeaff, Niamh McGee, Jo A Gardner and, Amber Berger To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctrination You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Aug 10, 2022
BONUS PREVIEW: Evolutionary Biology and Cult Dynamics w/Jeremy Sherman Ph.D.
00:11:42
This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive bonus episode, you can hear the episode in its entirety by becoming a member at: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Jeremy Sherman is a Ph.D. in evolutionary epistemology. He describes himself as a cradle-to-grave science researcher studying the unbroken chain, from the origins of life to humankind's grave situation today. He has written over 1,000 articles for Psychology Today’s 9 million readers on everyday practicalities. Jeremy also lived for 7 years in an eco-village commune in Tennessee known as “The Farm”, where its 1400 residents elected him to a leadership role at just 24 years old. For the past 25 years, he has been a close research collaborator with Harvard and Berkeley neuroscientist Terrence Deacon. Jeremy says he’s all about making advanced ideas intuitive, practical, and funny because from a natural science perspective, the human condition is pretty ironic. His latest book is called "What's up with Assholes? Advanced Psycho-Proctology For Beginners” Jeremy returns to the show to further expand on his insights into cult dynamics from his unique lens of evolutionary biology. Together Jeremy and Rachel survey the current sociological and political landscape sharing ideas from their respective fields. Thanks to all of our Patreon supporters for making this episode possible!
Aug 05, 2022
A Little Bit Culty w/ Sarah Edmondson & Anthony "Nippy" Ames
01:12:55
Sarah Edmundson and Anthony "Nippy" Ames are survivors of the NXIVM cult and hosts of the A Little Bit Culty Podcast. They are the married couple and whistleblowers documented in the critically-acclaimed HBO series “The Vow,” Sarah and Nippy have a lot to say about their experience, and burning questions to ask people with similar stories. They’re here to help people understand, heal from, and avoid abusive situations one little red flag at a time. Sarah and Nippy are also both successful actors and producers. In 2019, Sarah published Scarred: The True Story of How I Escaped NXIVM, the Cult that Bound My Life. In this moving and insightful conversation Sarah and Nippy look back at their intensely dramatic time as a part of NXIVM, exploring the missteps and courageous actions they took along the way. The couple share with Rachel the uniquely complex relationship dynamics they experienced while in the group and the powerful love and devotion that kept them together. They explain how their relationship offered them the strength needed to leave and ultimately put an end to NXIVM and Keith Ranerie's destructive abuses. Before You Go: Rachel explores NXIVM's idea of inner deficiency, comparing the problematic diagnostic techniques found in some therapeutic practices to the manipulative narratives used by cult leaders. For more info on Sarah and Nippy's podcast visit: https://www.alittlebitculty.com/ Find more about Sarah's book here: https://www.sarahedmondson.com/ You can listen to our previous episodes on NXIVM here: https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/sets/nxivm Thanks to all of our newest Patreon supporters: Jamie Gunning, Brett Jellen, Gabrielle Coleman, Danielle Hirokane, Jena Higdon, Rebecca Sigel, Cecilia, The New Inquiry, Kymberley Alberts Sauer, Kristen King, Elizabeth Wolfington, Ryan Pence, Amanda Smith, Julia Colmenero-Skeaff, Niamh McGee, Jo A Gardner and, Amber Berger To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctrination You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Aug 01, 2022
Examining The Community w/ N. Jamiyla Chisholm
01:02:14
N. Jamiyla Chisholm was born in New York City and grew up in Brooklyn. She graduated from City College in New York City, received her master of arts in teaching from the University of Southern California, and received her MFA from the Writer’s Foundry at St. Joseph’s College in Brooklyn. As a journalist, Jamiyla has written countless articles focused on culture, race, and women, and she has worked with numerous media companies and publications, including COLORLINES, Essence, TIME’S UP, VIBE, and The Source. Jamiyla is an avid traveler, runner, and language learner. She lives in Brooklyn with her cat Reesies. Jamiyla joins Rachel to discuss her brief but impactful time living in an Islamic commune in Brooklyn run by the infamous cult leader Dwight York. In this revealing conversation, as in her new book The Community, Ms. Chisholm utilizes her skills as an experienced journalist to provide Rachel with deep insights into her early life in this high-control group. Throughout the conversation, Jamilya explains the effects of the organization's family separation policy as Rachel offers her thoughts on the devastating nature of childhood neglect that's all too common in cultic groups. Before You Go: Rachel focuses further on Jamiyla's admission that as a child she felt somehow at fault for being separated from her mother, explaining the long-lasting feelings of helplessness and even inferiority that often accompany these types of neglect in early childhood. For more information visit: http://www.njamiylachisholm.com You can find Jamilya's book here: https://www.amazon.com/Community-N-Jamiyla-Chisholm/dp/1542037395 Thanks to all of our newest Patreon supporters: Aisha Mitchell Camerer, Ingrid Holm, Kirsten Blackburn, Will, Ali Vaughan, Baylie Freeman, Mavis Seehaus, Rebecca L Walter, Cat, Jessica, Julia, Jess, and Sarah O'Mahoney To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctrination You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Jul 27, 2022
BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW: Experiencing Awe w/Dr.Yuval Laor
00:14:39
This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus episode, you can hear the episode in its entirety by becoming a member at: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Dr. Yuval Laor is a prominent behavioral and cultural scientist who studies evolutionary biology and religion. A graduate of Tel Aviv University and specializing in religious fever and awe, he is highly influential in the world of academic cult studies. Yuval returns to the show to share with Rachel some of his findings on temporal lobe epilepsy and the hyper-religiosity it can induce. He goes on to explain the personality traits of those who suffer from this condition and how they coincide with those of cult leaders. Throughout the conversation, Rachel confirms some of the neurological conclusions Yuval outlines by comparing them to her own experience working with cult survivors. Thanks so much to our Patrons for making this episode possible!
Jul 22, 2022
Escape Through The Window w/Sarah Rose
01:20:44
Sarah Rose is a native of the San Francisco Bay Area. She received a BA in Judaic Studies from UC Berkeley, a Certificate in Environmental Restoration and Watershed Management from Merritt College, and most recently a Masters's Degree in Rehabilitation Counseling from New Mexico Highlands University. She is also a cult survivor and wrote about her harrowing experience in her book “Escape Through the Window” which is available now on Amazon. Sarah's breathtaking story was also covered in Season 2 of Identification Discovery’s series “Dangerous Persuasions” Sarah joins Rachel to detail some of the traumatic experiences she writes about in her book, sharing survival tactics from her long and ongoing journey towards healing. Throughout their intimate conversation, Rachel offers Sarah insights gained from her decades of helping people recover from cultic abuse, and together they examine the pitfalls and benefits of writing about experiences that have caused lasting traumas. Before You Go: Rachel offers advice on how to reassess first impressions and explains the dynamics of secrecy and transparency in high control groups or relationships. You can find Sarah's book here: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/21134900-escape-through-the-window Watch her story as portrayed in Investigation Discovery's Dangerous Persuasions series here: https://tv.apple.com/us/episode/hes-my-master/umc.cmc.5sdlt6e4nzgbn1iubg0582wl9?showId=umc.cmc.5y5pglgl3kmwftqwkgnjfpwq4 Thanks to all of our newest Patreon supporters: Aisha Mitchell Camerer, Ingrid Holm, Kirsten Blackburn, Will, Ali Vaughan, Baylie Freeman, Mavis Seehaus, Rebecca L Walter, Cat, Jessica, Julia, Jess, and Sarah O'Mahoney To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctrination You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Jul 20, 2022
From Cradle To Grave Situation w/Jeremy Sherman, Ph.D.
01:23:31
Jeremy Sherman is a Ph.D. in evolutionary epistemology. He describes himself as a cradle-to-grave science researcher studying the unbroken chain, from the origins of life to humankind's grave situation today. He has written over 1,000 articles for Psychology Today’s 9 million readers on everyday practicalities. Jeremy also lived for 7 years in an eco-village commune in Tennessee known as “The Farm”, where its 1400 residents elected him to a leadership role at just 24 years old. For the past 25 years, he has been a close research collaborator with Harvard and Berkeley neuroscientist Terrence Deacon. Jeremy says he’s all about making advanced ideas intuitive, practical, and funny because from a natural science perspective, the human condition is pretty ironic. His latest book is called "What's up with Assholes? Advanced Psycho-Proctology For Beginners” Jeremy joins Rachel to share his unique insights into narcissistic leaders, the social and psychological dynamics of the high control groups they run, and the effect their pathologies have on followers. Jeremy offers his perspective of cultic dynamics through the lens of his field of evolutionary epistemology comparing notes with Rachel as she notices corresponding findings from her experience working with cult survivors. Before You Go: Rachel explores further Jeremy's ideas surrounding the dangers of shamelessness as a trait in leaders and the cumbersome nature of conscience. You can find all of Jeremy's articles, books, podcasts, and more here: https://jeremysherman.com Thanks to all of our newest Patreon supporters: Kirsten Cole, ShaSha, Allison Yena, Becca Upshaw, Vibeke J. Gardsten, Jeff Nelson, Trish Gratson, Jessica Mitchell, Jodi Springberg, Bonni Howard, and, Sarah Hinds To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctrination You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Jul 13, 2022
BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW: Lessons From A Cult Interventionist w/ Joe Kelly
00:13:46
This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus episode, you can hear the episode in its entirety by becoming a member at: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Joseph Kelly is a cult interventionist and recipient of the lifetime achievement award from the International Cultic Studies Association(ICSA) Along with Pat Ryan, He is the co-founder of Intervention 101, where he has worked as a thought reform consultant and exit counselor since 1989. He spent 14 years in two different eastern meditation groups; Transcendental Meditation and The International Society of Divine Love. Joseph is a co-author of “Ethical Standards for Thought Reform Consultants,” published in ICSA’s Cultic Studies Journal, Mr. Kelly has also facilitated ICSA workshops for ex-members and families and has lectured extensively on cult-related topics. Joseph returns to the show to share some of his insights after 30 years of cult intervention work, explaining how his approach includes close consultation with qualified mental health professionals including Rachel. Joseph offers wise advice to those looking to help a loved one caught up in systems of control. Find more about Joseph's work here: www.intervention101.com Thanks so much to our Patrons for making this episode possible!
Jul 08, 2022
Leaving Fundamentalism w/ Andrew Pledger
01:35:52
Andrew Pledger is a religious trauma survivor who was raised in fundamentalist Christianity. He has been homeschooled his entire life for the purpose of indoctrination. His parents would only pay for a Christian university, and he chose Bob Jones University. Andrew kept his sexuality a secret until his mental health declined due to repressing emotions, sexuality, and religious trauma. For his last year of college, he created a photo series that depicted religious trauma. To bring awareness to religious trauma; he appeared on Josh Harris’s IGTV show to talk about his photo series. Bob Jones was made aware of the video, and he was expelled the last semester of his college career. These experiences have inspired him to pursue psychology to help religious trauma survivors. He is now on a mission of using social media to share his story and bring awareness to religious trauma. ----------------------Content Warning: Discussion of Suicidal Ideation--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In this intimate and revealing conversation Andrew shares with Rachel his journey of leaving Christian fundamentalism explaining how the deeply embedded religious trauma caused undue suffering and eventually forced him to leave the church. Throughout the discussion, Rachel provides insights from a psychological perspective pointing out experiences commonly shared by recent survivors of religious trauma and coercive control. Before You Go: In this unique outro segment, Rachel is once again joined by Andrew who shares some life updates and explains how the recent Supreme Court rulings have soured his recent escape from Christian fundamentalist control. You can learn more about Andrew's projects and advocacy work here: https://liinks.co/4ndrewpledger Thanks to all of our newest Patreon supporters: Kirsten Cole, ShaSha, Allison Yena, Becca Upshaw, Vibeke J. Gardsten, Jeff Nelson, Trish Gratson, Jessica Mitchell, Jodi Springberg, Bonni Howard, and, Sarah Hinds To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctrination You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Jul 06, 2022
Living With Self-Loathing w/ Zack Bonnie Pt. 2
00:53:50
Zack Bonnie “graduated” from Rocky Mountain Academy at age sixteen, and then attended regular high school to fill the gaps in his education. He went on to college, an acting career in New York, tournament gambling, and adventures around the world. He is now an activist for the human rights of teens confined in residential facilities. Zack makes his home near the Blue Ridge Mountains of Central Virginia, where he loves to hike. Author of the Dead, Insane, or in Jail book series, Zack takes readers into the inner workings of the facility where he lived, and the impact the school had on his hyper-stimulated young mind. Incarcerated at age fourteen at a school for troubled teens in Northern Idaho, Zack has crafted a fast-moving, plot-driven memoir, with vivid characters and telling details, where even simple English words take on sinister meanings. In this second half of their two-part conversation, Zack opens up to Rachel about his own horrific experiences in the grips of the Troubled Teen Industry, detailing his teenage years spent at Rocky Mountain Academy as well as in "wilderness therapy". Rachel provides insight into the lingering psychological effects that can occur from the "tough love" techniques commonly employed in teen residential treatment programs Before You Go: Rachel explains how rehabilitation centers whose technique of encouraging growth through suffering is counter-productive and only appears to be effective because of the visceral response displayed by its victims. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you or someone you know is seeking abortion care, go to AbortionFinder.org now to learn about your options. You can find a list of local abortion funds by state here: https://abortionfunds.org/funds/ The Yellowhammer Fund serves the Deep South, especially Alabama and Mississippi: https://www.yellowhammerfund.org/ Indigenous Women Rising has an abortion fund open to all Indigenous people in the United States and Canada: https://airtable.com/shrLw8oy9UTIPkpXv You can also donate to Planned Parenthood, which provides sex education and reproductive care around the country: https://www.plannedparenthood.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Find Zack's books on Amazon here: amzn.to/2hznZVR More information on Zack at: www.deadinsaneorinjail.com If you'd like to support Zack's work directly please consider becoming a patron: www.patreon.com/ZackDIJ Thanks to all of our newest Patreon supporters: Sarah Hinds, Anna Stanuch, Caitlin Benson, Fiona Jeyachandran, George, Atiya Wahab, Rene Steelman, Angela Marie, Ietseatapples, Anita Lehn, Deena, Lindsey, Roxanne, Megan Miller, Bobbie Andrews To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctrination You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Jun 29, 2022
BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW: The Underground Bunker w/ Tony Ortega
00:11:18
This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus episode, you can hear the episode in its entirety by becoming a member at: https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination Tony Ortega is a journalist and former editor of The Village Voice. He is of course best known for his daily blog about the Church of Scientology called The Underground Bunker and is one of the most prominent and influential journalists to cover Scientology which he has been doing since 1995. Tony is also the author of The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, about journalist Paulette Cooper and the Church of Scientology's attempts to silence her after her own book was published. He continues to monitor breaking developments in Scientology around the world from an undisclosed location, publishing a new article every day, and remains one of Scientology's favorite targets for harassment. Tony joins Rachel to discuss Scientology's latest controversies, his legendary work on The Underground Bunker, and the future of the dwindling authoritarian organization. Together, Rachel and Tony examine the harassment tactics Scientology employs against critics, which they have both experienced personally, and lament the forced separation so many families have suffered at the hand of Scientology. Find all of Tony's articles and links to his books here: https://tonyortega.org Thanks so much to our Patrons for making this episode possible!
Jun 24, 2022
Dead, Insane, Or In Jail w/ Zack Bonnie Pt. 1
01:02:04
Zack Bonnie “graduated” from Rocky Mountain Academy at age sixteen, and then attended regular high school to fill the gaps in his education. He went on to college, an acting career in New York, tournament gambling, and adventures around the world. He is now an activist for the human rights of teens confined in residential facilities. Zack makes his home near the Blue Ridge Mountains of Central Virginia, where he loves to hike. Author of the Dead, Insane, or in Jail book series, Zack takes readers into the inner workings of the facility where he lived, and the impact the school had on his hyper-stimulated young mind. Incarcerated at age fourteen at a school for troubled teens in Northern Idaho, Zack has crafted a fast-moving, plot-driven memoir, with vivid characters and telling details, where even simple English words take on sinister meanings. In this first half of their two-part conversation, Zack explains to Rachel the struggles and epiphanies he had in writing his first book. Together they discuss the difficult feelings that arise from reliving his time in an abusive "Troubled Teen" institute as well as the healing it has brought for him as well as his readers. He explains the complex relationships he and his peers had with staff and shares how his perspective has shifted over the years. Before You Go: Rachel explains how too often parents will unnecessarily send their children to residential treatment centers simply for typical teenage behavior. She offers advice to parents on how to thoroughly vet organizations to ensure the safety and well-being of their children in both the long and short term. Find Zack's book on Amazon here: http://amzn.to/2hznZVR More information on Zack at: www.deadinsaneorinjail.com If you'd like to support Zack's work directly please consider becoming a patron: https://www.patreon.com/ZackDIJ Thanks to all of our newest Patreon supporters: Sarah Hinds, Anna Stanuch, Caitlin Benson, Fiona Jeyachandran, George, Atiya Wahab, Rene Steelman, Angela Marie, Ietseatapples, Anita Lehn, Deena, Lindsey, Roxanne, Megan Miller, Bobbie Andrews To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctrination You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Jun 22, 2022
Running For Freedom w/ Vanessa Reiser, LCSW
01:09:39
Vanessa Reiser is a mother, entrepreneur, and groundbreaking psychotherapist specializing in narcissistic abuse using Therapist Self-Disclosure (TSD) Ms. Reiser graduated from the University of Southern California with a focus on Community Organizing, but soon realized that clients responded to her counseling techniques. Vanessa is also a founder of The Rockland County Pride Center and a Board Member for The Center for Safety and Change. She recently ran the entire state of New York in a wedding dress to raise awareness for narcissistic abuse and made international headlines. Vanessa highlights for Rachel the nuances of her work supporting those traumatized by insidious forms of domestic abuse. She explains how her personal experiences have informed the way she treats her clients. Together Rachel and Vanessa discuss the reasons why people end up in unsafe relationships and why they stay. Before You Go: Rachel explains that people with a giving and sacrificial nature often endure relationships with narcissistic personalities and offers advice on how to prevent the loss of self. Find out more about Vanessa's work here: https://tellatherapist.net/ Read about her awareness-raising wedding dress run here: https://people.com/human-interest/woman-running-wedding-dress-raise-awareness-narcissistic-domestic-abuse/?amp=true Thanks to all of our newest Patreon supporters: Ariel Trocino, Ellen Knudson. Elena Lumby, Jonathan Suds, Kaijah Bjorklund, and Ellen Golla To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctrination You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Jun 15, 2022
BONUS PREVIEW -War Against Truth w/ Olga Yurkova
00:12:17
This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive bonus episode. You can hear the episode in full by becoming a member at: https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination Returning guest, Olga Yurkova is a Ukrainian journalist and co-founder of StopFake.org, an independent Ukrainian organization that trains an international cohort of fact-checkers in an effort to curb propaganda and misinformation in the media. She spoke with us last July about her work fighting Russian propaganda campaigns in Ukraine with her projects Forbidden Facts and StopFake.org. Since then Vladimir Putin's violent invasion has ravaged the Ukrainian landscape displacing millions of people and causing thousands of civilian casualties in just a few months' time. Since internet connectivity is often unstable and services such as Zoom and Skype are currently inaccessible in Ukraine, we were only able to connect with Olga via cell phone. We are so grateful for her strength and insistence on continuing to inform people in real time of Russia's dangerous disinformation campaign even in the grips of wartime chaos. Olga spoke with us two weeks ago from the relative safety of central Ukraine. Watch Olga's Ted Talk here: https://www.ted.com/speakers/olga_yurkova Listen to our previous episode from July 2021 with Olga here: https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/weapons-of-information-wolga-yurkova?utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing You can support Olga's work fighting Russian disinformation at StopFake here: https://www.stopfake.org/en/donate-en/ Olga suggests donating to these organizations that directly support Ukrainian people on the ground..... Voices of Children is a charity that focuses on helping children recover from the psychological trauma of war: https://voices.org.ua/en/ Come Back Alive is one of the most accountable and trustworthy charities working for the military in Ukraine since 2014. The charity has been providing the military with auxiliary equipment, specialized software, drones, personal body protection, training, and other supplies: https://savelife.in.ua/en/donate/ Hospitallers is a volunteer paramedic organization, that helps the wounded on the battlefield, evacuates the wounded to the hospitals, helps in the rehabilitation process, and transfers the deceased to the burial site in Ukraine. Their current focus is on supplying medicines that are in shortage: https://www.edvantis.com/blog/how-to-help-ukraine/ The Kyiv Independent, a Ukraine-based English-language newspaper: https://www.gofundme.com/f/kyivindependent-launch HelpUkraine.center is a volunteer hub for humanitarian and medical aid for Ukraine. It accepts medical supplies, food, and hygiene products for babies and moms. It also accepts donations for purchasing medications and other necessary humanitarian products in Europe: https://helpukraine.center/#donate. Sergiy Prytula’s foundations. Sergiy Prytula is a Ukrainian TV presenter and public figure. Since the beginning of the Russian-Ukrainian war in 2014, he has been volunteering to provide military aid to Ukrainian Armed Forces and humanitarian and financial assistance to children with cancer: https://prytulafoundation.org/en
Jun 10, 2022
Teenage Fundamentalists w/ Brian & Troy
00:54:47
This week's guests Brian and Troy used to be members and leaders in Pentecostal megachurches in Australia. Troy, a 21-year-old member of the Assemblies of God (AOG), the precursor to the Hillsong church was drawn in by Revival Centres International, Now known as the Revival Centres Church. Troy was on the path to becoming a minister before “years of questions, inconsistencies and manipulation” overwhelmed him and caused an emotional breakdown leading to him abandon his faith. Brian became involved with the Christian City Churches denomination, today known as C3 Church Global, which you can hear about from our previous guest Emily, before being recruited by the Assemblies of God. He described his time as exhibiting “cultish type behaviour” Brian and Troy's Podcast "I Was A Teenage Fundamentalist" takes an honest & irreverent look at one of the world’s fastest-growing religious movements and has been causing a stir among its church leaders. Brian and Troy provide Rachel with some background on the history of the Australian Pentecostal movement and explain their respective reasons for becoming involved. They examine the controlling techniques these churches have employed to amass huge followings throughout the world. Rachel helps Brian and Troy unpack the emotional toll followers endure under the controlling hierarchy of the church's leadership and the existential anxiety that is the result of its unhealthy ideology. Both Brian and Troy describe their breaking points with Christianity and offer advice to those leaving high control groups. Before You Go: Rachel reiterates the point Brian made about pre-planning for support when leaving a high control group. She explains the appeal of absolutes and the lure of leaving behind existential angst for a group's perfect formula for happiness. Listen to I Was A Teenage Fundamentalist here: https://iwasateenagefundamentalist.podbean.com/ Learn more about Brian and Troy's story here: https://www.vice.com/en/article/3abyw8/leaving-the-church-makes-for-some-good-content Thanks to all of our newest Patreon supporters: Ariel Trocino, Ellen Knudson. Elena Lumby, Jonathan Suds, Kaijah Bjorklund, and Ellen Golla To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctrination You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Jun 08, 2022
Sins Of My Father w/ Lily Dunn
01:12:46
Lily Dunn is an author and mentor living in the UK. She has personal essays in Granta, Litro, Hinterland, MIRonline, The Real Story, and is a regular writer for Aeon magazine. She is in her final writing up year of her doctorate at Birkbeck, University of London. She is co-editor of A Wild and Precious Life: Recovery Anthology, with Zoe Gilbert, and co-runs London Lit Lab. Her latest book Sins of My Father: A Daughter, a Cult, a Wild Unravelling is her attempt to unravel the mysteries of a father who believed himself to be beyond reproach. When Lily was just six years old, her father left the family home to follow his guru to India, with the promise of enlightenment in the cult of Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, the infamous leader who was recently covered in the popular documentary Wild Wild Country. She shares with Rachel insights from writing her recent memoir sharing memories from the long, hot summers of her teenage years in Italy in her father's commune to suffering the effects of his addiction to alcohol and prescription drugs. Rachel helps Lily unpack the complex relationship dynamics with her father and offers her insights on the familial complications inherent in so many families involved in high control groups. Before You Go: Rachel reflects on the impact suffered by the family members of those lost to cultic groups, pointing out the often unrecognized tragedies that stain so many family legacies for generations. More info on Lily is available here: https://lilydunn.co.uk/ Her book is available here: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59824706-sins-of-my-father Thanks to all of our newest Patreon supporters: Ariel Trocino, Ellen Knudson. Elena Lumby, Jonathan Suds, Kaijah Bjorklund, and Ellen Golla To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctrination You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Jun 01, 2022
BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW: Leaving the Prison of Shame and Fear w/ Daniel Shaw LCSW
00:12:46
This is just a preview of our latest Patreon exclusive bonus episode. You can hear the show in its entirety by becoming a supporter at: https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination Daniel Shaw, LCSW, is a psychoanalyst in private practice in New York City and in Nyack, New York; and Faculty and Supervisor at The National Institute for the Psychotherapies in New York. His papers have appeared in Psychoanalytic Inquiry, Contemporary Psychoanalysis, Psychoanalytic Perspectives, and Psychoanalytic Dialogues, and most recently, his book, Traumatic Narcissism: Relational Systems of Subjugation, was published by Routledge for the Relational Perspectives Series and nominated for the prestigious Gradiva Award. His book Traumatic Narcissism and Recovery: Leaving the Prison of Shame and Fear was published in 2021. In 2018, the International Cultic Studies Association awarded Dan the Margaret Thaler Singer Award for advancing the understanding of coercive persuasion and undue influence. Dan returns to the show to discuss with Rachel the ideas he explores in his new book, Traumatic Narcissism and Recovery: Leaving the Prison of Shame and Fear. Together, they reflect on the current landscape of recovery in their respective fields and compare notes on the ways patients and mental health professionals can be successful in cases of cult recovery. More info on Dan's work is available here: https://danielshawlcsw.com/ You can find his latest book here: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56844700-traumatic-narcissism-and-recovery You can hear Dan's previous appearances on the show here: https://podcasts.apple.com/am/podcast/traumatic-narcissism-in-politics-w-dan-shaw/id1373939526?i=1000507568685 https://podcasts.apple.com/am/podcast/collective-disassociation-w-dan-shaw/id1373939526?i=1000508465936
May 27, 2022
Born A Soldier w/ Daniella Mestyanek Young
01:19:41
Daniella Mestyanek Young is an American author and speaker born into the religious cult The Children of God. Daniella served as an Intelligence Officer in the US Army for over six years, making the rank of Captain, and became one of the first women in US Army history to conduct deliberate ground combat operations when she volunteered to serve on a Female Engagement Team. She is a recipient of the Presidential Volunteer Service Medal. Daniella lives with her husband and daughter in Maryland and is a candidate for a Master’s degree in Industrial and Organizational Psychology from Harvard Extension School. Daniella’s first book, UNCULTURED: A Memoir of Cults, War, and Belonging, is being published by St. Martin’s Press on September 20th, 2022. Daniella shares with Rachel some insights behind the stories in her book Uncultured, more than a memoir about an exceptional upbringing, but about a woman who, no matter the lack of tools given to her, is determined to overcome. Throughout her story, Daniella draws parallels between her life as a child in the Children of God commune and her time as an adult in the U.S. military. Pointing out the stunning similarities in rape culture in both organizations. She goes on to explain the dangerous deification of the U.S. Army, and the cult-like devotion and martyrdom expected of its soldiers Before you Go: Rachel reflects on her experiences with Children of God survivors over the years, explaining the difficulties of "learning life as a second language" for those who have left the high control groups they were born into. You can pre-order Daniella's book Uncultured here: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/57290004-uncultured Visit her website here: https://www.uncultureyourself.com/ Watch Daniella's TEDx talk here: https://youtu.be/96gBf6LNxa4 Thanks to all of our newest Patreon supporters: Brooke Parker, Kerry Stout, Laura Ollanketo, Kylie Quilliam, Lisa Shklovsky, Jo March, Stephanie Roberts, Chelsea Fralick, Pamela Kyssa, Justine Fernandes, Shira Stanford-Asiyo, Michele Fullarton and Franny Yep To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctrination You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
May 25, 2022
Surviving Trafficking w/ Megan Lundstrom
01:37:42
CONTENT WARNING: Sexual Exploitation and Human Trafficking Megan Lundstrom is the Co-Founder and Director of Research at The Avery Center, an organization that creates trauma-informed services backed by survivor-led sex trafficking research. Megan has consulted for the Department of Homeland Security and Polaris Project and has created and delivered training and educational presentations in the academic community as well as a variety of organizations including the Commercial Sexual Exploitation Institute at Villanova University Law School. Ms. Lundstrom’s research on cultic theory was internationally published through United Nations University and presented at the International Cultic Studies Association annual conference. She holds a Bachelor of Science degree in Finance and a Master’s degree in Sociology from the University of Northern Colorado. Megan shares with Rachel the intimate details of her story of survival, explaining how her upbringing in a legalistic Christian cult contributed to her vulnerability to sex trafficking. Throughout their emotional conversation, Rachel and Megan unpack the characteristics of high control groups pointing out the similarities in the playbook of sex traffickers. They explore her healing journey so far and the story of how she came to co-found the Avery Center and work towards restorative justice. Before You Go: Rachel points out how incapable law enforcement can be in their pursuit of sex trafficking perpetrators, and explains the importance of prioritizing survivors' needs while navigating the changes necessary in the policy and practice of law enforcement. More info on The Avery Center here: https://theaverycenter.org/ More on Megan's story here: https://www.elle.com/culture/a36898189/0086-0088-megan-s-account-august-2021/ Thanks to all of our newest Patreon supporters: Amrit K Khalsa, Natalie Zett, Maria Campbell, Mo Hellbender, Ruth Crossman, Ms.Kyle, Kerry Ose, and Amy Tiemann!! To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctrination You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
May 18, 2022
BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW: Reflections From The Edge of The World w/ Kelly Weill
00:12:48
This is just a sample of our Patreon exclusive bonus episode. You can hear the episode in full by becoming a member at: https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination Our returning guest for this Patreon exclusive Bonus episode is Award-winning author and journalist Kelly Weill. Kelly reports for the Daily Beast covering right-wing extremism and conspiracy culture. She has more than two decades of experience at The Wall Street Journal and other major outlets and is the author of the incredible new book "Off the Edge: Flat Earthers, Conspiracy Culture, and Why People Will Believe Anything " Kelly shares her thoughts from the past several years covering flat earth conferences and conspiracy culture, offering unique insights into the thinking of those who have gone off the edge into conspiracy theory. Together Rachel and Kelly reflect on how people get lost in these ideas and explain how loved ones can become their stewards back to reality. You can find Kelly's excellent work with The Daily Beast here: www.thedailybeast.com/author/kelly-weill Her Book "Off The Edge" is available here : www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/564…694-off-the-edge Keep up to date with all her work by following her on Twitter @KELLYWEILL Thanks to all our Patreon supporters for making this episode happen!!
May 13, 2022
Chief Management Authority w/ Satpavan Kaur Khalsa
01:11:31
Sat Pavan Kaur was born into the 3HO community and Sikh Religion. She spent her childhood moving around to various 3HO communities. At the age of 8, she was sent to India with 120 other children to go to boarding school leaving her family back in the US. At 16, she would be taken out of school and join YBs personal staff. In the last couple of years, she has left the Cult but stayed within the greater Sikh community. She is one of the many women that was abused by Yogi Bhajan. She has had to unravel her life, the good, the bad, and the horror that she experienced growing up in the 3HO community; the abuse she was subjected to, the toll it took on her and her husband, and the clear choices she made to raise her children differently from how she was raised. She has been teaching and performing dance for the last 30 years to people of all ages and backgrounds. She is passionate about teaching and inspiring creativity, confidence, and individuality in her students, especially the younger generation which has been a hugely positive outlet for her. Satpavan is also a musician who plays Kirtan and has played Sikh religious music since she was a young girl and continues to do so. Her music, along with dance has kept her going by providing a sense of healing throughout her life. She lives with her two children and husband of 27 years, raising her family and working hard to be a good person and do good in the world around her. Sat is also featured in the Vice documentary The Dark Empire of Yogi Bhajan which is available now. In this second conversation with Rachel, Satpavan fills in some of the missing parts of the story she shared with us last week. She dives deep into the corruption but also incredible successes of the many businesses that members of the 3HO community built, explaining how YB would enrich himself while his devotees struggle to survive. Rachel shares her insights on why followers have remained devoted to YB even after his death while Satpavan explains why she still has empathy for those who continue to defend him. Before You Go: Rachel discusses how cult leaders and abusers are often not bounded by logic and explains why their victims can sometimes suffer in silence for so long. For more information on Sikhism, Sat Pavan recommends these healthy organizations run by good people whose voices represent the Sikh community: Khalsa Aid, Sikh Coalition, Sikh Legal Defense Fund, Valerie Kaur, Art by Ruby, Ramblings of a Sikh, Khalra Mission You can see the documentary The Dark Empire of Yogi Bhajan | True Believers here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfr5jKauwtE Thanks to all of our newest Patreon supporters: Amrit K Khalsa, Natalie Zett, Maria Campbell, Mo Hellbender, Ruth Crossman, Ms.Kyle, Kerry Ose, and Amy Tiemann!! To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctrination You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
May 11, 2022
The Chaos & Contradiction of 3HO w/ Satpavan Kaur Khalsa
02:12:58
Sat Pavan Kaur was born into the 3HO community and Sikh Religion. She spent her childhood moving around to various 3HO communities. At the age of 8, she was sent to India with 120 other children to go to boarding school leaving her family back in the US. At 16, she would be taken out of school and join Yogi Bajan's personal staff. In the last couple of years, she has left the Cult but stayed within the greater Sikh community. She is one of the many women that was abused by Yogi Bhajan. She has had to unravel her life, the good, the bad, and the horror that she experienced growing up in the 3HO community; the abuse she was subjected to, the toll it took on her and her husband, and the clear choices she made to raise her children differently from how she was raised. Sat Pavan now lives with her two children and husband of 27 years, raising her family and working hard to be a good person and do good in the world around her. She has been teaching and performing dance for the last 30 years to people of all ages and backgrounds, and is passionate about teaching and inspiring creativity, confidence, and individuality in her students, especially the younger generation which has been a hugely positive outlet for her. Satpavan is also a musician who plays Kirtan and has played Sikh religious music since she was a young girl and continues to do so. Her music, along with dance has kept her going by providing a sense of healing throughout her life. In this intimate conversation, Sat Pavan shares a full portrait of her life being born into the 3HO cult, from how her parents were pulled in to her childhood development as she was whisked away from one unsafe situation to another. Sat expertly points out the key moments of indoctrination, suffering, and, red flags she experienced throughout her decades involved with 3HO and it's monstrous guru. Throughout her story, Rachel offers insights from a psychological perspective to help explain the cult dynamics at play in her experiences and together they look forward to the healing that is to come in the future. Before You Go: Rachel explains why people who have survived intense trauma compartmentalize their emotions and often seem to downplay their suffering outwardly. She warns of the "realization trauma" that can occur as survivors uncover their own reality for the first time. For more information on Sikhism, Sat Pavan recommends these healthy organizations run by good people whose voices represent the Sikh community: Khalsa Aid, Sikh Coalition, Sikh Legal Defense Fund, Valerie Kaur, Art by Ruby, Ramblings of a Sikh, Khalra Mission You can see the documentary The Dark Empire of Yogi Bhajan | True Believers here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfr5jKauwtE Hear our episode with Jules Hartley on her 3HO experience here: https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/jules-hartley?utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing Hear our episodes with Phillip Deslipe and Stacie Stukin on the Olive Branch Report here: Part 1: https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/stacy-phillip-pt-1 Part 2: https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/stacy-phillip-pt-2-revised Read Stacie's groundbreaking article on YB's abuses here: https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/yogi-bhajan/ Thanks to all of our newest Patreon supporters: Amelia Brunner, Jon Butler, Ashley Moose and 4MileCircus !!! To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctrination You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
May 04, 2022
BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW: Potential Trouble Source w/ Kernan Coleman
00:11:24
Kernan Coleman is a critical thinking activist and advocate for scientific skepticism from Santa Rosa, CA where he works as a branding and design professional. He was the designer of the famous Scientology billboard campaign of Phil and Willie Jones. Kernan has been involved in the anti-Scientology movement for decades, often working in collaboration with other "bunkerites" who are involved with Tony Ortega's Underground Bunker. In this bonus episode, Kernan returns to provide a brief history of the anti-Scientology movement as well as his own parallel journey in which he unpacks the underlying reasons for his passion for exposing Scientology. This is just a preview of our Patreon Exclusive bonus episode. You can hear the episode in it's entirety by becoming a member at: www.patreon.com/indoctrination
Apr 29, 2022
From Buddhist Practice to Malpractice w/Dan Lawton
00:46:28
Dan Lawton is a mindfulness instructor and writer, with a specific interest in the adverse effects of meditation practice. Dan is a certified instructor in Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction (MBSR) through Brown University and spent four years teaching meditation in New Orleans. Dan spent a decade practicing meditation, primarily in the Vipassana and Western Insight traditions and completed roughly 15 silent retreats. He now mentors other meditators struggling with adverse experiences through the organization, Cheetah House. Before teaching meditation, Dan worked as a newspaper reporter in California and Louisiana. He has written about his own adverse experiences from meditation at: www.danlawton.substack.com In this second half of their two-part conversation, Dan explains the unique way western Buddhism intermingles with science, academia, and government by presenting mindfulness practices as secular and rational despite its religious claims and dogmatic history. Together Rachel and Dan break down the defensiveness of the mindfulness communities, pointing out the common reactions people have when their faith is questioned. Dan explains how he has restructured his mindfulness teachings with the more complete knowledge he has of the dangers of intense practice. Before You Go: Rachel explains the importance of not surrendering to any particular practice but rather remaining open to them while observing the risks and ensuring safeguards are in place to reduce the chances of negative impacts. More info on Dan here: https://nolamindfulness.com/ More about Dan's work with Cheetah House Here: http://www.cheetahhouse.org Thanks to all of our newest Patreon supporters: Amelia Brunner, Jon Butler, Ashley Moose and 4MileCircus !!! To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: http://www.paypal.me/indoctrination You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Apr 27, 2022
The Messy World of Mindfulness w/ Dan Lawton
00:43:10
Dan Lawton is a mindfulness instructor and writer, with a specific interest in the adverse effects of meditation practice. Dan is a certified instructor in Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction (MBSR) through Brown University and spent four years teaching meditation in New Orleans. Dan spent a decade practicing meditation, primarily in the Vipassana and Western Insight traditions and completed roughly 15 silent retreats. He now mentors other meditators struggling with adverse experiences through the organization, Cheetah House. Before teaching meditation, Dan worked as a newspaper reporter in California and Louisiana. He has written about his own adverse experiences from meditation at: https://danlawton.substack.com/p/when-buddhism-goes-bad?s=r In this first half of their two-part conversation, Dan provides some cultural and historical background on the Vipassana and Western Insight traditions explaining how these practices changed as they reached the west in the 1950s. Dan goes on to share with Rachel the details of experiencing what he calls non-referential terror as a result of intense meditation practice. Together they discuss the findings of Dan's deep examination of the structures that led to his previously inexplicable emotional terror. Before You Go: Rachel gives insights into the response from the meditation community that Daniel and previous guest Dr. Britton have elicited and explains the relationship between meditation and executive functioning skills in the brain. More about Dan's work with Cheetah House Here: https://www.cheetahhouse.org/care-team?gclid=Cj0KCQjw5-WRBhCKARIsAAId9Fl9oSOnXTS5HCX-5jEKUhkuo7GO7-YPXitpU6hUwCHupKVX_QaYdS8aAsZ6EALw_wcB Thanks to all of our newest Patreon supporters: Rhona Stephanidis, Samuel Huff, Miracle Galston, Blair Lyonev, Michele, Renae, Erin Avenant, Jennifer Mosier, Dana Bradley, Mette Kousgaard, Sunrise Sun and Shenandoah (Shan) Ware To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Apr 20, 2022
PATREON BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW: An Imagined Tragic Destiny w/ Thomas
00:11:45
This is just a preview of our exclusive Patreon bonus episode. You can hear the show in its entirety by becoming a member at: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Thomas grew up in Denmark with a covert narcissist mother who kept him socially isolated, emotionally abused him, and manipulated his sense of reality. For most of his life, he didn’t realize that anything was wrong, because of the covert nature of the emotional abuse, control, and gaslighting he was exposed to. About a year and a half ago he started to get a better grasp of his own reality and slowly began to understand what had really happened. Thomas returns to the show for a third time to respond to listener feedback from his previous episodes and update us on how his healing has progressed. He details how he's been able to unpack the complex trauma he experienced growing up with a covert narcissist as a mother. He navigates this difficult path in a systematic way in order to get clarity himself as well as help others better recognize signs of covert abuse and control.
Apr 15, 2022
Dormitory Predator w/ Daniel Barban Levin Pt. 2
01:00:58
CONTENT WARNING: SEXUAL ASSAULT Daniel Levin is an award-winning writer living in Los Angeles. He holds an MFA in poetry from the University of California, Irvine, where he taught creative writing and rhetoric. His writing has appeared in Provincetown Arts, The Sarah Lawrence Review, The Westchester Review, and The Bennington Review. During his time at Sarah Lawrence College Dan, as a 19-year-old sophomore got involved with Larry Ray the leader of what turned out to be a dangerous cult. Dan has written about these harrowing experiences in his new memoir SLONIM WOODS 9 A stunning firsthand account of the creation of a modern cult and the costs paid by its young victims. In this second half of their two-part conversation, Daniel continues telling Rachel his story of terror and survival detailing the physical, sexual and mental abuse he and his friends suffered at the hands of Larry Ray. Throughout his difficult retelling, Rachel offers Daniel her insights pointing out the manipulative tactics Larry used and the similarities found in other abusive cults. Together they discuss the red flags people should be aware of and offer hope to those survivors on a similarly long road to healing. Before you go: Rachel examines instances where manipulative leaders flip causal relationships to increase their power and control over their unsuspecting followers. More info on the case against Larry Ray: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/06/nyregion/sarah-lawrence-cult-lawrence-ray-trial.html Find Dan's book Slonim Woods 9 here: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/634501/slonim-woods-9-by-daniel-barban-levin/ Find Rachel's book "Now I Know: Kids Talking To Kids About Divorce..." here: https://www.amazon.com/Now-I-Know-Rachel-Bernstein/dp/1620867893 Thanks to all of our newest Patreon supporters: Paul Gonzales, Leslie Eaves, David Kavanagh, Alina, Candace Sayour, Kathy Higham, Heather Mills, Desdamona Ross, Tessi, and Serena!! To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Apr 13, 2022
A Master Class in Manipulation w/ Daniel Barban Levin Pt. 1
00:49:52
Daniel Levin is an award-winning writer living in Los Angeles. He holds an MFA in poetry from the University of California, Irvine, where he taught creative writing and rhetoric. His writing has appeared in Provincetown Arts, The Sarah Lawrence Review, The Westchester Review, and The Bennington Review. During his time at Sarah Lawrence College Dan, as a 19-year-old sophomore got involved with Larry Ray the leader of what turned out to be a dangerous cult. Dan has written about these harrowing experiences in his new memoir SLONIM WOODS 9 A stunning firsthand account of the creation of a modern cult and the costs paid by its young victims. In the first half of their two-part conversation, Daniel shares with Rachel how he first came into contact with Larry Ray the dangerous cult leader, currently on federal trial for sex trafficking, extortion, conspiracy, and a string of other crimes. He discusses how Larry was able to evade detection on campus even while living in dormitories. Together Rachel and Daniel examine what he was feeling as he fell under the control of this manipulative and dangerous man, pointing out the red flags and explaining what prevented him from seeing them at the time. Before you go: Rachel addresses the most asked question cult survivors get; "why did you stay"? with regard to Daniel but also in general pointing out the commonalities of those who linger in abusive situations. More info on the ongoing trial against Larry Ray: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/04/04/larry-ray-sex-cult-sarah-lawrence/ Find Dan's book Slonim Woods 9 here: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/634501/slonim-woods-9-by-daniel-barban-levin/ Find Rachel's book "Now I Know: Kids Talking To Kids About Divorce..." here: www.amazon.com/Now-I-Know-Rachel…ein/dp/1620867893 Thanks to all of our newest Patreon supporters: Sarah, Joel H. Dinolt, Heidi Turner, Carla Gates, Emily Peoples, Eila, Stephanie Rogers, Ash Odish, Lauren Hoffman, Jessica, Viele Wege, DTarpley, Susanna Stromberg, Amanda M, Ann Deslandes, Christina Pearl, Sharon Stasney,Jennifer Dixon, Katharine Allen and nikkita08!! To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Apr 06, 2022
BONUS EPISODE SAMPLE- Laying Down the Armor w/ Chris Buckley
00:11:10
This is just a preview of this week's Patreon exclusive bonus episode. You can hear the episode in full by becoming a member at: https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination In this Patreon exclusive bonus episode, Rachel welcomes back friend of the show Chris Buckley. Chris is an Afghanistan and Iraqi war veteran, and reformed member of the KKK. Today, he works with the anti-extremism non-profit Parents for Peace and has created a deradicalization program designed specifically with veterans in mind, but is geared to work with all manners of hate and extremist ideology. Chris updates Rachel on his journey of healing as he sets out to become a certified peer support counselor in hopes of ultimately becoming a therapist. He provides insight from his studies with renowned trauma expert Bessel van der Kolk. Hear Chris's previous episodes here: podcasts.apple.com/cz/podcast/extr…i=1000524771356 podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cogn…0527354668&l=id Find out where you can see "Refuge" the documentary on Chris's story here: www.refugemovie.com/ You can also see Chris in the PBS documentary Love Wins Over Hate here: www.pbs.org/video/love-wins-over-hate-vzi4a6/ More info on Parents for Peace here: www.parents4peace.org/
Apr 01, 2022
Sugar Coated Panacea w/ Dr. Willoughby Britton
00:58:14
Willoughby Britton Ph.D. is a clinical psychologist, an Associate Professor of Psychiatry and Human Behavior at Brown University Medical School, and the Director of Brown's Clinical and Affective Neuroscience Laboratory. Her clinical neuroscience research investigates the effects of contemplative practices on the brain and body in the treatment of mood disorders, trauma, and other emotional disturbances. She is especially interested in practice-specific effects, individual differences, and moderators of treatment outcomes. She is probably best known for her research on adverse effects, and for creating best practices around harms monitoring and reporting. As a clinician, she has been trained as an instructor in Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction (MBSR) and Mindfulness-based Cognitive Therapy (MBCT), and the Somatic Experiencing (SE) approach to trauma. She now specializes in helping meditators who are experiencing meditation-related difficulties and providing meditation safety training to providers and organizations. In this second half of their two-part conversation, Dr. Britton provides more details about the resistance she came up against in the science and meditation communities after publishing data that contradicted their narratives of meditation as an infallibly positive pursuit. Rachel provides insight into the reactive nature of those who are unable to recognize any imperfection in the spiritual practices they pursue and the cult-like devotion that follows. Before You Go: Rachel expands on Dr. Britton's idea of "positive affect requirement" in group settings explaining why there's often more behind the smiles of devoted followers. Watch Dr.Britton's TED talk on meditation and neuroscience here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR8TjCncvIw&t=0s To learn more about Cheetah House and their work helping those experiencing meditation-related distress please visit: www.cheetahhouse.org/ If you are a meditator who has suffered from adverse effects, you can book a consultation with the Cheetah House care team including Dr. Britton here: www.cheetahhouse.org/care-team?gcli…8aAsZ6EALw_wcB Find Rachel's book "Now I Know: Kids Talking To Kids About Divorce..." here: www.amazon.com/Now-I-Know-Rachel…ein/dp/1620867893 Thanks to our newest Patreon supporters: Natalie S, RS, Jeremiah Burke, Waleska Rivera-Shon, Artful Magic, and Kim Croucher!! To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Mar 30, 2022
Invisible Virtue w/ Willoughby Britton Ph.D.
00:58:13
Willoughby Britton Ph.D. is a clinical psychologist, an Associate Professor of Psychiatry and Human Behavior at Brown University Medical School, and the Director of Brown's Clinical and Affective Neuroscience Laboratory. Her clinical neuroscience research investigates the effects of contemplative practices on the brain and body in the treatment of mood disorders, trauma, and other emotional disturbances. She is especially interested in practice-specific effects, individual differences, and moderators of treatment outcomes. She is probably best known for her research on adverse effects, and creating best practices around harms monitoring and reporting. As a clinician, she has been trained as an instructor in Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction (MBSR) and Mindfulness-based Cognitive Therapy (MBCT), and the Somatic Experiencing (SE) approach to trauma. She now specializes in helping meditators who are experiencing meditation-related difficulties and providing meditation safety training to providers and organizations. Throughout this first half of their two-part conversation, Rachel and Willoughby find common ground discussing where their specialties intersect and help each other fill in the gaps of knowledge in their respective fields. Dr. Britton shares about her personal relationship with meditation, how it relates to her work, and the surprising results of her comprehensive study on the adverse effects of meditation. Rachel helps Dr. Britton unpack the cult dynamics and the societal structure that may explain the panic and very unscientific response of the meditation and science communities as a result of Dr. Britton's studies. Before You Go: Rachel reflects on the problematic and dangerous issues Dr. Britton points out, relating it to her personal experience in a mindfulness and meditation course she participated in for a continuing education program. Watch Dr.Britton's TED talk on meditation and neuroscience here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR8TjCncvIw&t=0s To learn more about Cheetah House and their work helping those experiencing meditation-related distress please visit: https://www.cheetahhouse.org/ If you are a meditator who has suffered from adverse effects, you can book a consultation with the Cheetah House care team including Dr. Britton here: https://www.cheetahhouse.org/care-team?gclid=Cj0KCQjw5-WRBhCKARIsAAId9Fl9oSOnXTS5HCX-5jEKUhkuo7GO7-YPXitpU6hUwCHupKVX_QaYdS8aAsZ6EALw_wcB Find Rachel's book "Now I Know: Kids Talking To Kids About Divorce..." here: www.amazon.com/Now-I-Know-Rachel…ein/dp/1620867893 Thanks to our newest Patreon supporter Erin Boyle!! To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Mar 23, 2022
Owning Your Autonomy w/ Journey Into Yoga Cults
01:19:36
Rachel Nelson, Chelle Swierz, and Melissa Longfellow were all teachers and leaders for many years in the Baptiste Yoga organization - a high-control yoga system led by Baron Baptiste that claims to be changing the world through its “methodology.” During that time they dedicated their careers and much of their personal lives to the group and the leader, believing that what they were doing was healing the planet. After each having their pivotal moment at different times, they re-connected to process their experience together and discover that what felt indescribably “off” was the result of cult indoctrination techniques. They subsequently started a podcast to share their experiences and educate people about the dangers in Baptiste Yoga: thought control, manipulation, coercion, and the charismatic leader. Each of them is now focused on taking back their own life and enjoying life exactly as they choose it. They join Rachel again this week to talk about their collective experience in hopes of informing others about the dark side of this very popular and powerful organization. In this second half of their two-part conversation, our guests pick up where they left off, with Melissa and Rachel providing more detail on their experiences with Baron and his organization. The dialogue is then opened up to examine the iceberg that is Baptise Yoga pointing out the many common red flags all three women have noticed in retrospect. Rachel offers her insights into the healing process that these brave women have begun. Before You Go: Rachel shares her thoughts on consent and autonomy in the yoga world and recommends safeguards that should be in place in all yoga settings. Listen to Journey Into Yoga Cults here: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/jour…ts/id1599860304 Follow Journey Into Yoga Cults on IG: @bpyi_yoga_truth @yogacultspod Find Rachel's book "Now I Know: Kids Talking To Kids About Divorce..." here: www.amazon.com/Now-I-Know-Rachel…ein/dp/1620867893 Thanks to our newest Patreon supporters Anna W. and Kate B!!! To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Mar 16, 2022
Trauma Bond Pose w/ Journey Into Yoga Cults
01:03:03
Rachel Nelson, Chelle Swierz, and Melissa Longfellow were all teachers and leaders for many years in the Baptiste Yoga organization - a high-control yoga system led by Baron Baptiste that claims to be changing the world through its “methodology.” During that time they dedicated their careers and much of their personal lives to the group and the leader, believing that what they were doing was healing the planet. After each having their pivotal moment at different times, they re-connected to process their experience together and discover that what felt indescribably “off” was the result of cult indoctrination techniques. They subsequently started a podcast to share their experiences and educate people about the dangers in Baptiste Yoga: thought control, manipulation, and coercion and the charismatic leader. Each of them is now focused on taking back their own life and enjoying life exactly as they choose it. They join Rachel to talk about their collective experience in hopes of informing others about the dark side of this very popular and powerful organization. In the first half of this two-part conversation, the three guests introduce themselves and explain how they first got involved with Baptiste yoga, their first impressions of Baron, and some red flags they've come to understand in retrospect. Before you go: Rachel offers further insights into some of what the guests shared with her, pointing out some of the ridiculous ironies of the group's "empowering self-help" message and the dangers inherent in this type of deception. Listen to Journey Into Yoga Cults here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/journey-into-yoga-cults/id1599860304 Follow Journey Into Yoga Cults on IG: @bpyi_yoga_truth @yogacultspod Find Rachel's book "Now I Know: Kids Talking To Kids About Divorce..." here: www.amazon.com/Now-I-Know-Rachel…ein/dp/1620867893 Thanks to our newest Patreon supporter Alana H! To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Mar 09, 2022
Self Help Hostage w/ Kelly Thiel
00:55:44
Kelly Thiel is a highly sought-after speaker and consultant to families and organizations regarding high-demand groups, cults, and narcissistic personalities. She is dedicated to helping people reclaim their freedom and begin their own healing journeys. Kelly has experience as a member of the Executive Success Program/NXIVM, a high-demand group whose leader was convicted of federal crimes, including sex trafficking. Kelly was also featured with Rachel in the STARZ documentary Seduced: Inside The NXIVM Cult. Her involvement with NXIVM led her to study other high-demand groups and cults of personality like Bhagwan Shri Rajneesh (Osho) and Bikram Choudhury. Her lifelong journey and personal experience as a seeker of human potential and spirituality taught her to identify the many methods used by high-demand groups, cults of personality, and narcissists to attract, indoctrinate, and control their followers and people in their circle of influence. She understands how to identify the red flags, suggest a course of action, and recommend professional resources for interventions to help affected families and organizations. Kelly is set to release her first book this year, “Unapologetically Glorious”, inspiring others to be their own guru and to take ownership, take action and take back control. In this intimate and bravely vulnerable conversation, Kelly shares invaluable insight into her time in NXIVM. She outlines the dangerous and traumatic "Exploration of Meaning"sessions she witnessed and experienced herself as a member of the "Executive Success Program" Throughout the conversation Rachel gives Kelly the opportunity to reexamine her impressions of the NXIVM community in retrospect. Kelly explains the relationship dynamics she had with the leaders, some of whom are now serving prison time for their roles in the group. Finally, Kelly explains the gradual shift away from the group and the catalyst that ultimately led to her freedom. Before You Go: Rachel addresses some of the red flags that are heavily pronounced in the inflated egos of narcissistic leaders like Keith Ranerie, reflecting on the epic hypocrisy of their demand for accountability. You can see Rachel, and Kelly in the documentary Seduced: Inside the NXIVM Cult: https://seduceddocumentary.com/ Find more info on Kelly and her upcoming book here: http://kellythielbook.com/ Find Rachel's book "Now I Know: Kids Talking To Kids About Divorce..." here: www.amazon.com/Now-I-Know-Rachel…ein/dp/1620867893 Thanks to our newest Patreon supporters: Heather Christiansen, Rachel Biffin, MaryBeth Dorn, Esther Friedman, and Kateland Harte!! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination shirts and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Mar 02, 2022
Collateral Damage w/ India Oxenberg
00:49:09
India Oxenberg is a successful film producer, writer, and actress. India is a national ambassador for RAINN (Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network), the nation's largest anti-sexual violence organization. She is also the daughter of our previous guest Catherine Oxenberg who Rachel worked with while India was involved in NXIVM, the infamous multi-level marketing company that was later exposed as a sex cult. While in NXIVM, India was introduced to the cult's inner circle and was groomed to be a sexual partner of NXIVM's founder and leader, Keith Raniere. In 2020, she published the book Still Learning: A Memoir. She produced and starred in the documentary series Seduced: Inside the NXIVM Cult, in which Rachel is also featured documenting her work with the Oxenbergs as India transitioned out of NXIVM. In this second part of Rachel and India's intimate two-part episode, India reveals her thoughts about the complex and troubling dynamics of her relationship with Allison Mack, one of the people she describes as her main abusers in NXIVM who was recently sentenced to prison for her role in the group. Throughout the conversation, Rachel helps India to deconstruct her experiences, as she shares deep insights into her indoctrination and ongoing healing. Before You Go: Rachel details the slippery and deceptive path that leads to indoctrination, pointing out how disassociating from your identity helps to lower your defense mechanisms and clouds critical thinking. For resources on sexual violence visit RAINN here: www.rainn.org/ Hear India's mother Catherine speak to Rachel about their shared experience here: https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/catherine-re-release You can see Rachel, Catherine, and India in the documentary Seduced: Inside the NXIVM Cult: youtu.be/SmogBLEhbjY Find Rachel's book "Now I Know: Kids Talking To Kids About Divorce..." here: www.amazon.com/Now-I-Know-Rachel…ein/dp/1620867893 Find Catherine Oxenberg's book featuring Rachel here: www.amazon.com/Captive-Mothers-C…ook/dp/B07C2C393X Find India's audiobook telling her story in her own words here: www.amazon.com/Still-Learning-A-…oir/dp/B08L3TW37N Thanks to our newest Patreon supporters Catherine Greninger, and Allison!! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination shirts and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Feb 23, 2022
Survivorship w/ India Oxenberg
00:49:43
India Oxenberg is a successful film producer, writer, and actress. India is a national ambassador for RAINN (Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network) the nation's largest anti-sexual violence organization. She is also the daughter of our previous guest Catherine Oxenberg who Rachel worked with as a client while India was involved in NXIVM, the infamous multi-level marketing company that was later exposed as a sex cult. While in NXIVM, India was introduced to the cult's inner circle and was groomed to be a sexual partner of NXIVM's founder and leader, Keith Raniere. In 2020, she published the book Still Learning: A Memoir. She produced and starred in the documentary series Seduced: Inside the NXIVM Cult, in which Rachel is also featured documenting her work with the Oxenbergs as India transitioned out of NXIVM. In the first half of Rachel and India's very personal and intimate two-part episode, they re-examine the intense time they shared together in therapy as India made her way out of the grips of the infamous and now imprisoned cult leader Keith Raniere. India opens up to Rachel about what her inner-life has felt like as she begins to leave behind the conditioning and indoctrination that left her scarred emotionally and physically from her time in NXIVM. Throughout the conversation, Rachel guides India through the revelations she had while becoming the person she truly is, rather than who she was told to be. Before You Go: Rachel reminds listeners of the importance of being mindful of what personal details you share, why, and with whom, warning that you can make yourself vulnerable to emotional manipulation. For resources on sexual violence visit RAINN here: www.rainn.org/ Hear India's mother Catherine speak to Rachel about their shared experience here: https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/catherine-re-release You can see Rachel, Catherine, and India in the documentary Seduced: Inside the NXIVM Cult youtu.be/SmogBLEhbjY Find Rachel's book "Now I Know: Kids Talking To Kids About Divorce..." here: www.amazon.com/Now-I-Know-Rachel…ein/dp/1620867893 Find Catherine Oxenberg's book featuring Rachel here: www.amazon.com/Captive-Mothers-C…ook/dp/B07C2C393X Find India's audiobook telling her story in her own words here: www.amazon.com/Still-Learning-A-…oir/dp/B08L3TW37N Thanks to our newest Patreon supporters Helena Sviglin, Ashera DeRosa, Robert Kucera, and Carrie Bee!! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination shirts and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Feb 16, 2022
Qanon Casualties w/ Jitarth Jadeja
01:02:20
Jitarth Jadeja is a former QAnon follower and current moderator of a Reddit group with over 200K followers called QAnon Casualties. Residing in Sydney, Australia, Jitarth has been covered in many major news publications in the U.S. and beyond, providing important insight into the perplexing world of Q. Since leaving Qanon behind, Jitarth has become an invaluable resource not only to high-profile journalists but also to families who have lost loved ones to Qanon. As you'll hear, his charming vulnerability and quick wit have helped him to shine a light on the shadows of Qanon and the conspiratorial right. Jitarth shares with Rachel why he first became consumed with Qanon, explaining the ways in which it affected his familial relationships, specifically with his father who became a Q believer as well. Rachel discusses her experience dealing with the fallout of the Qanon movement. Together they talk through the consequences of Qanon's dangerous disinformation, lamenting the human cost of its voracious growth. Before You Go: Rachel explains the often innocuous reasons and even positive attributes that can cause people to seek community in cultic situations. Additionally, she offers insight on engaging with people whose natural desire for acceptance and status prevents them from thinking critically. Listen to Rachel and Jitarth's conversation on Conspirituality Podcast here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/65-long-haul-qanon-w-rachel-bernstein-jitarth-jadeja/id1515827446?i=1000532569599 Find Rachel's book "Now I Know: Kids Talking To Kids About Divorce..." here: www.amazon.com/Now-I-Know-Rachel…ein/dp/1620867893 Thanks to our newest Patreon supporters Lisa Akers and Stef CLO!!! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination shirts and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Feb 09, 2022
Multi-Layered Trauma w/ Jon Sawyer
00:50:22
Jon Sawyer was raised in two homes influenced by both high-demand religion and secular worldviews. Prior to his parent's divorce at the age of four, his family was involved with both Transcendental Meditation (TM) and Christian Science. Shortly after his parent's divorce, his mother took a secular route, while his father converted to Pentecostal and charismatic Christianity. While Jon's father sprinkled elements of TM and Christian Science into his childhood, his dad's newfound evangelical Christian faith fixated on the end of the world, divine healing, speaking in tongues, and the "prosperity gospel." When Jon was fifteen, he converted to Mormonism. From the age of fifteen to thirty-five, Jon was involved with various high-demand religious groups that were associated with both charismatic Christianity and Mormonism. As a teen who was deeply conflicted about his attraction to the same sex, Jon attended the now-defunct Spirit Life Bible College (SLBC)-associated with Roberts Liardon Ministries-in Orange County, CA. While at SLBC, Jon experienced multiple sessions of exorcism and conversion therapies that were aimed at "healing" his sexual identity. When Jon was twenty-six, he became involved with Sovereign Grace Churches: a group that began during the charismatic Jesus Movement of the 1970s and eventually adopted a neo-Calvinist theology that emphasized strict gender roles and courtship practices. Jon separated from organized religion six years ago, at the age of 35. Since that time, Jon has benefited from somatic therapy, completed both a BA and MA in education, and is currently a doctoral student and researcher at the University of Colorado Boulder. Partly due to the influence of his experiences with high-demand religious groups, Jon now studies the intersection of education policy and anti-discrimination law. In this second half of Jon's two-part conversation with Rachel, he shares some of his most traumatic religious experiences going through exorcisms and "conversion therapy" at Spirit Life Bible College. Rachel provides further background on "conversion therapy" outlining its dangerous and often hypocritical roots. Together Jon and Rachel unpack the damaging culture of homophobia in the church and offer hope for recovery to those who have been traumatized. Before You Go: Rachel breaks down the unnerving hubris of religious groups who aim to change the sexual or gender identity of others by forcing them to conform to their own rigid and intolerant beliefs. You can contact Jon here: jonesawyer@gmail.com Find Rachel's book "Now I Know: Kids Talking To Kids About Divorce..." here: www.amazon.com/Now-I-Know-Rachel…ein/dp/1620867893 Thanks to all our Patreon supporters! We truly couldn't make the show without you! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination shirts and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Feb 02, 2022
Parental Paradox w/ Jon Sawyer
00:54:25
Jon Sawyer was raised in two homes influenced by both high-demand religion and secular worldviews. Prior to his parent's divorce at the age of four, his family was involved with both Transcendental Meditation (TM) and Christian Science. Shortly after his parent's divorce, his mother took a secular route, while his father converted to Pentecostal and charismatic Christianity. While Jon's father sprinkled elements of TM and Christian Science into his childhood, his dad's newfound evangelical Christian faith fixated on the end of the world, divine healing, speaking in tongues, and the "prosperity gospel." When Jon was fifteen, he converted to Mormonism. From the age of fifteen to thirty-five, Jon was involved with various high-demand religious groups that were associated with both charismatic Christianity and Mormonism. As a teen who was deeply conflicted about his attraction to the same sex, Jon attended the now-defunct Spirit Life Bible College (SLBC)-associated with Roberts Liardon Ministries-in Orange County, CA. While at SLBC, Jon experienced multiple sessions of exorcism and conversion therapies that were aimed at "healing" his sexual identity. When Jon was twenty-six, he became involved with Sovereign Grace Churches: a group that began during the charismatic Jesus Movement of the 1970s and eventually adopted a neo-Calvinist theology that emphasized strict gender roles and courtship practices. Jon separated from organized religion six years ago, at the age of 35. Since that time, Jon has benefited from somatic therapy, completed both a BA and MA in education, and is currently a doctoral student and researcher at the University of Colorado Boulder. Partly due to the influence of his experiences with high-demand religious groups, Jon now studies the intersection of education policy and anti-discrimination law. In this first half of Jon's two-part conversation with Rachel, He shares an intimate portrait of his childhood as he was pulled in the many different and extreme religious directions his divorced parents took. Throughout the conversation, Rachel gives insights into the religious trauma Jon likely experienced as a child by being exposed to graphic demonic imagery. Jon explains how his varied and controlling religious upbringing caused him to internalize homophobia as he examined his own sexuality and place on the LGBTQ spectrum. Before You Go: Rachel warns about the dangers of parental alienation which often occurs in separated families, explaining how this can be exacerbated within families involved in high control groups and relationships. You can contact Jon here: jonesawyer@gmail.com Find Rachel's book "Now I Know, Kids Talking To Kids About Divorce..." here: www.amazon.com/Now-I-Know-Rachel…ein/dp/1620867893 Thanks to all our Patreon supporters! We truly couldn't make the show without you! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination shirts and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Jan 26, 2022
Abuse with a Smile w/ Emily
00:47:18
Emily is a former member of C3 NYC where she endured three years of pastoral abuse. Her account @C3ChurchWatch on Instagram was created in June 2020 as an effort to stop the harassment she was experiencing. She did not think anyone but her pastor would notice it, but soon found herself with plenty of followers and supporters privately and publicly citing harm or abuse from C3 churches all over the world. Her church and the Philadelphia location responded by conducting a smear campaign, telling members to block the account, hunting down account supporters, and sending Emily a false legal threat that was rescinded when a journalist became involved. Following along with a larger movement, and with a prior background in cult recovery, Emily quickly saw the need for those exiting toxic evangelical spaces to understand what happened to them and where to go to safely process their experience. She operates her account today to document her own journey, gathers articles and investigations involving C3, holds space for those wanting to share their story publicly or privately, shares resources, helps people find appropriate therapy, and speaks with family/friends of current members. Emily provides some background on C3 Church Global, a charismatic movement founded in Sydney, Australia, with a community of over 500 churches worldwide. In addition to her insights on the mega-church culture in general, she shares her personal experience of pastoral abuse in the Philadelphia location of C3. Rachel and Emily discuss the red flags she noticed along the way as well as the self-doubt that prevented her from having the clarity of mind to see the group for what it really was. Emily shares with Rachel how she ultimately extricated herself from the church and came to victim advocacy work through her IG account. Before You Go: Rachel explains the importance of exploring the biases that may prevent you from noticing warning signs of high control groups. She points out how the optics of certain situations can be a distractionary element that clouds your perspective. Follow Emily's C3 account here: https://www.instagram.com/c3churchwatch/ More Info on C3 here: https://c3churchwatch.com/2012/03/10/macdougalls-testimony-of-pringles-early-beginnings/ Find Rachel's book "Now I Know, Kids Talking To Kids About Divorce..." here: www.amazon.com/Now-I-Know-Rachel…ein/dp/1620867893 Thanks to all our new Patreon supporters: Nicole Kraft Marla Hendershot, Frank Morgan, Jennifer Atkinson, Sylvia Bernstein, and Tara S. To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination shirts and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can help the show for free by leaving a review on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Jan 19, 2022
Analyzing Extremism w/ Mark Potok
00:42:56
Mark Potok is an internationally renowned expert on the American radical right, who, for 20 years helped lead the legendary Southern Poverty Law Center in exposing hate groups, right-wing terrorism, and the rapidly increasing infiltration of extremist ideas into the political mainstream. In that role, Potok faced numerous death threats from white supremacists and constant vilification by leaders of the far-right media — a remarkable measure of just how effective his work was. Potok has been described in one book on social justice activists as having “a reputation as the preeminent editorial commentator who follows the American radical right.” In 2018, a year after leaving SPLC, he joined the Centre for Analysis of the Radical Right as a Senior Fellow. As the director of the SPLC’s Intelligence Project and, later, Senior Fellow at the SPLC and Editor in Chief of its award-winning Intelligence Report investigative magazine, Potok was a key spokesman for the SPLC, a civil rights organization based in Alabama. He has testified before the U.S. Senate, the United Nations High Commission on Human Rights, the Helsinki Commission, and in other key venues. In this second half of Rachel's conversation with Mark, he shares more of his perspective on the past, present, and future of the radical right, delving into his decades of experience with the Southern Poverty Law Center. Rachel and Mark exchange their ideas about how and why people are drawn to extremist groups and explore the commonalities behind a variety of far-right hate groups. Together they discuss the possible steps of action both individually and societally that may help to quell the increase in political violence and hate crimes. Before You Go: Rachel explores the idea of hereditary hate, explaining how the impressionable nature of children makes them uniquely susceptible to indoctrination into hateful ideology. For more info on Mark's work visit: https://markpotok.net/ For more info on SPLC visit: https://www.splcenter.org/ For more info on CARR visit: https://www.radicalrightanalysis.com/ Hear Rachel's thought on the U.S. Capitol insurrection: youtu.be/9srCmRMoXnQ Thanks to all of our newest Patreon supporters! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination shirts and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can help the show for free by leaving a rating or review on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Jan 12, 2022
Radical Research w/ Mark Potok
00:55:40
Mark Potok is an internationally renowned expert on the American radical right who, for 20 years, helped lead the legendary Southern Poverty Law Center in exposing hate groups, right-wing terrorism, and the rapidly increasing infiltration of extremist ideas into the political mainstream. In that role, Potok faced numerous death threats from white supremacists and constant vilification by leaders of the far-right media — a remarkable measure of just how effective his work was. Potok has been described in one book on social justice activists as having “a reputation as the preeminent editorial commentator who follows the American radical right.” In 2018, a year after leaving SPLC, he joined the Centre for Analysis of the Radical Right as a Senior Fellow. As the director of the SPLC’s Intelligence Project and, later, Senior Fellow at the SPLC and Editor in Chief of its award-winning Intelligence Report investigative magazine, Potok was a key spokesman for the SPLC, a civil rights organization based in Alabama. He has testified before the U.S. Senate, the United Nations High Commission on Human Rights, the Helsinki Commission, and in other key venues. In this first half of their two-part conversation, Mark shares with Rachel insights from his decades of work exposing dangerous extremist groups on the far right and beyond. Together they survey the current political landscape and offer expertise from their respective fields of study. Mark and Rachel both provide analysis relating to political movements of the past and look ahead to the worrisome political climate on the horizon. They go on to compare notes on the cultic tendencies of hate groups and far-right terrorist cells. Before You Go: Rachel reiterates the importance of learning from the lessons of history in order to seek out fundamental truths but notes taking action as equally important. Reminding us that even advanced civilizations are vulnerable to the folly of human nature. For more info on Mark's work visit: https://markpotok.net/ For more info on SPLC visit: https://www.splcenter.org/ For more info on CARR visit: https://www.radicalrightanalysis.com/ Here’s a link to Mark's booklet on conversion therapy, “Quacks: ‘Conversion Therapists,’ the Anti-LGBT Right, and the Demonization of Homosexuality”: https://www.splcenter.org/20160525/quacks-conversion-therapists-anti-lgbt-right-and-demonization-homosexuality Hear Rachel's thought on the U.S. Capitol insurrection: https://youtu.be/9srCmRMoXnQ Thanks to all of our newest Patreon supporters! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination shirts and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can help the show for free by leaving a rating or review on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Jan 05, 2022
Comrade Cover-Up w/ Jacob
00:43:32
Jacob is a socialist community organizer living in Philadelphia. He helps run the Community Action Relief Project (CARP), a mutual aid organization committed to sharing resources and redistributing wealth throughout the Kensington neighborhood and broader Philadelphia. In addition to hosting political reading groups and building relationships with neighborhood groups for CARP, his creative pursuits include poetry, comedy, and ASMR videos. Jacob joined Rachel not to denounce or advocate for any broad political ideology but to warn potential recruits to the specific group he was involved with (PSL) by sharing his own personal experience. In this second part of Rachel's two-part conversation with Jacob, he shares the experience that led him to see clearly the group's manipulative and cult-like tactics of control. Jacob details how the PSL's national leadership conspired to cover up the sexual assault of his friend by an influential member of the organization. Throughout Jacob's story, Rachel compares the manipulations and reactionary defensiveness of PSL to that of cults who take aggressive and retaliatory action towards all accusers and critics. Before You Go: Rachel examines the fraudulent nature of internal investigations within high control groups by relating a personal story about dealing with a disingenuous property manager. She advises how to see through the theater of begrudging leaders feigning attempts at problem resolution. Learn more about Jacob's experience and the experiences of many other former PSL members here: medium.com/@jacobscb/documenta…ior-in-6afa65b8072e Find Rachel's book "Now I Know, Kids Talking To Kids About Divorce..." here: www.amazon.com/Now-I-Know-Rachel…ein/dp/1620867893 Thanks to our newest Patreon supporter Terry Horne! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination shirts and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can help the show for free by leaving a review on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Dec 29, 2021
Sharp Edged Party Line w/ Jacob
00:40:52
Jacob is a socialist community organizer living in Philadelphia. He helps run the Community Action Relief Project (CARP), a mutual aid organization committed to sharing resources and redistributing wealth throughout the Kensington neighborhood and broader Philadelphia. In addition to hosting political reading groups and building relationships with neighborhood groups for CARP, his creative pursuits include poetry, comedy, and ASMR videos. Jacob joined Rachel not to denounce or advocate for any broad political ideology but to warn potential recruits to the specific group he was involved with (PSL) by sharing his own personal experience. In this first part of Rachel's two-part conversation with Jacob, he explains how he first got involved with The Party for Socialism and Liberation, a high control group in the world of political organizing. Jacob breaks down some of the cult-like tactics of control that were commonplace in his branch. Rachel offers her insights into the groups' use of manipulative language and pressure to overachieve to the point of exhaustion. They discuss in detail the restrictive nature of the organization, as well as its intolerance of dissent both in public and private. Before You Go: Rachel emphasizes the point Jacob made about questioning why so many people involved with his group left on bad terms. She explains how you can examine the nature of an organization by noting its reaction to your dissenting opinions or refusal of demands. Learn more about Jacob's experience and the experiences of many other former PSL members here: https://medium.com/@jacobscb/documentation-of-corruption-institutional-bigotry-and-high-control-group-cult-like-behavior-in-6afa65b8072e Find Rachel's book "Now I Know, Kids Talking To Kids About Divorce..." here: https://www.amazon.com/Now-I-Know-Rachel-Bernstein/dp/1620867893 Thanks to our newest Patreon supporter Charlotte! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination shirts and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can help the show for free by leaving a review on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Dec 22, 2021
A Gospel of Neglect w/Anna
00:45:05
Anna grew up in a fundamentalist Christian family as part of the Quiverfull movement. She and her 6 siblings were not allowed to attend school and were very isolated from the outside world. Everything about her childhood was strictly controlled, from the clothes she wore to the media she had access to. She was expected to teach herself from primarily religious texts as well as teaching and caring for the younger children. Her future was laid out for her as a submissive wife and mother to many children. She left at 19 with help from family. Starting life in a very unfamiliar world with little education was daunting but also thrilling. 7 years later she's still sifting through memories, she makes videos on TikTok (@spookypatootie) recounting her experiences and has found that many other folks grew up in similar circumstances. Many kids are undoubtedly still in that situation and Anna hopes she can raise awareness and play a part in helping others. In this second half of Anna's conversation with Rachel, she reflects on the erosion of the relationship with her mother and explains how her homophobic beliefs became the catalyst for Anna's departure from home and the Quiverfull movement. Anna shares some of the many difficulties she experienced trying to find her way in a world she was inherently ill-equipped to navigate. Throughout the discussion, Rachel points out some of the common struggles of those who were not raised with the basic life skills the general population takes for granted. Before You Go: Rachel offers some advice on defining "normalcy" for people leaving restrictive groups for the first time and explains how others can be an invaluable resource to those struggling to thrive in an unfamiliar world. Find Anna's amazing work on TIK TOK here: https://www.tiktok.com/@spookypatootie? Find Rachel's book "Now I Know, Kids Talking To Kids About Divorce..." here: https://www.amazon.com/Now-I-Know-Rachel-Bernstein/dp/1620867893 Thanks to our newest Patreon supporter Bill Lyerly! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination shirts and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can help the show for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Dec 15, 2021
A Quiver Full of Trauma w/ Anna
00:49:15
CONTENT WARNING: Depictions of Sexual Assault Anna grew up in a fundamentalist Christian family as part of the Quiverfull movement. She and her 6 siblings were not allowed to attend school and were very isolated from the outside world. Everything about her childhood was strictly controlled, from the clothes she wore to the media she had access to. She was expected to teach herself from primarily religious texts as well as teaching and caring for the younger children. Her future was laid out for her as a submissive wife and mother to many children. She left at 19 with help from family. Starting life in a very unfamiliar world with little education was daunting but also thrilling. 7 years later she's still sifting through memories, she makes videos on TikTok (spookypatootie) recounting her experiences and has found that many other folks grew up in similar circumstances. Many kids are undoubtedly still in that situation and Anna hopes she can raise awareness and play a part in helping others. Anna provides some background on the Christian movement Quiverfull, a theological position held by some conservative Christian couples who belong to Evangelical denominations that see large families as blessings from God. She explains some of the neglectful practices her parents employed led by their extreme interpretation of biblical texts. Anna shares with Rachel some of her deepest vulnerabilities from childhood and how she struggled to deal with them as an adult. Throughout the conversation, Rachel points out some of the commonalities in adults who have experienced religious-based parental neglect as children. Before You Go: Rachel addresses the struggle that children who grow up isolated by religion experience trying to fit in with peers. She explains how simply extending a gesture of friendship can be revelatory to those children who are inherently ostracized because of their parent's religious beliefs. Find Anna's amazing work on TIK TOK here: https://www.tiktok.com/@spookypatootie Find Rachel's book "Now I Know, Kids Talking To Kids About Divorce..." here: https://www.amazon.com/Now-I-Know-Rachel-Bernstein/dp/1620867893 Thanks to our newest Patreon supporter "BadBibleStiches"! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination shirts and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can help the show for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Dec 08, 2021
Multi-Level Manipulation w/ Roberta Blevins
00:47:44
Returning this week is Roberta Blevins, a former "Hun", who left the MLM world in 2017 and began publicly educating and speaking out against it. In her time in MLM, she was involved as a consultant for 3; It Works!, LuLaRoe and Modere, and a customer of many. Since leaving MLM, she has educated herself on the systemic structure of the business model, the psychological manipulation, the seedy underbelly, and governmental ties, the cult indoctrination, and the history of Multi-Level Marketing. She educates daily on TikTok, and podcasts in her "free time", talking to the survivors and victims of these commercial cults, disguised as the quickest route to the American Dream. In this second part of their two-part conversation, Rachel begins by sharing how she lost a friendship to an MLM, while Roberta goes on to describe the moment that prompted her to finally leave the MLM world. Roberta details a day in the life of a "hun" and how she ultimately extricated herself from the pyramid. She also discussed her transition into "hun" advocacy and anti-MLM activism through both education and humor. Before You Go: Rachel addresses the guilt that ex-members of high control groups often feel after leaving the group. She provides insight into the self-loathing that can accompany the admission of predatory behavior in ex-members. Listen to Roberta's podcast "Life After MLM" here: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/life…lm/id1553784236 Find Rachel's book "Now I Know, Kids Talking To Kids About Divorce..." here: https://www.amazon.com/Now-I-Know-Rachel-Bernstein/dp/1620867893/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=now+i+know+rachel+bernstein&qid=1638298566&sr=8-1 Thanks to our newest Patreon supporters Robert Andre and "Teahaze" and to Hollie Hire and Katherine Matheson for increasing their support! We couldn't do it without you! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination shirts and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can help the show for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Dec 01, 2021
Toxic Boss Babe Culture w/ Roberta Blevins
00:52:41
This week's guest, Roberta Blevins is a former "Hun", who left the MLM world in 2017 and began publicly educating and speaking out against it. In her time in MLM, she was involved as a consultant for 3; It Works!, LuLaRoe and Modere, and a customer of many. Since leaving MLM, she has educated herself on the systemic structure of the business model, the psychological manipulation, the seedy underbelly, and governmental ties, the cult indoctrination, and the history of Multi-Level Marketing. She educates daily on TikTok, and podcasts in her "free time", talking to the survivors and victims of these commercial cults, disguised as the quickest route to the American Dream. In this first part of their two-part conversation, Roberta explains to Rachel how she works to end the stigma of failure in the MLM industry, which she explains is designed for failure. Together they unpack the tactics of the now infamous MLM, LuLaRoe, that Roberta says signifies a commercial cult. Roberta shares her emotional journey as she transitions from "hun" to anti-MLM activist providing a detailed analysis of the schemes used in this deceptive and dangerous industry. Before You Go: Rachel expands on the concept of the sunk cost fallacy and points out some of the many examples where it can be found, offering insights for walking away from deceptive traps. Listen to Roberta's podcast "Life After MLM" here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/life-after-mlm/id1553784236 Find Rachel's book "Now I Know, Kids Talking To Kids About Divorce..." here: https://www.amazon.com/Now-I-Know-Rachel-Bernstein/dp/1620867893/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=now+i+know+rachel+bernstein&qid=1637717066&sr=8-1 Thanks to our newest Patreon supporter "to change"! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination shirts and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can help the show for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Nov 24, 2021
Trust Me w/ Lola Blanc & Meagan Elizabeth
00:57:32
Lola Blanc is a singer/songwriter, filmmaker, actress, and cult survivor. Her single “Angry Too” has over 20 million streams on Spotify, and as a songwriter, Blanc has also written for other artists including Britney Spears. Blanc’s work as a filmmaker has been spotlighted by BILLBOARD, FANGORIA, FUNNY OR DIE, and the prestigious short film channel OMELETO. Much of her work is inspired by her childhood practicing Mormonism, where she and her mother fell prey to a charismatic “prophet,” who turned out to be a cult leader. Meagan Elizabeth is a stand-up comedian, writer, and actress from Los Angeles who has performed at the legendary Laugh Factory. She was raised in a high control Christian group known as the Two by Twos, an international, home-based new religious movement that has its origins in Ireland at the end of the 19th century. Among members, the church is typically referred to as "The Truth" or "The Way" Together, Lola & Meagan co-host a podcast called Trust Me: Cults, Extreme Belief, and the Abuse of Power, where they share their experiences and fight the stigma cult survivors are often exposed to. On the show, they have interviewed survivors of groups like NXIVM, the Manson Family, Heaven’s Gate, the Children of God, and many more. In this week's conversation, Lola and Meagan share with Rachel their experiences growing up in cults noting the similarities in the control mechanisms used as well as the after-effects that come to light with distance from the group. Together they unravel the patriarchal structure of both groups and explain the work it took for them to overcome this sexist conditioning. Lola and Meagan go on to provide insights on what gave them the courage to leave and discuss how it's felt to share their personal tragedy in public as a means to fight the stigma and loneliness of other survivors. Before You Go: Rachel explains how cults take advantage of followers through the use of confession and relates it to Robert J Lifton's criteria for thought reform. She explains how to share wisely, but also withhold wisely. Find Rachel's book "Now I Know, Kids Talking To Kids About Divorce..." here: https://www.amazon.com/Now-I-Know-Rachel-Bernstein/dp/1620867893/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=rachel+bernstein&qid=1637051476&s=books&sr=1-2 Thanks to our newest Patreon supporter "A" and to "Free From RF" and Katherine Matheson for increasing their pledges! We really appreciate you! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination shirts and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can help the show for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Nov 17, 2021
Covert Emotional Sadism w/ Thomas
00:42:53
Returning this week is Thomas who grew up in Denmark with a covert narcissist mother who kept him socially isolated, emotionally abused him, and manipulated his sense of reality. For most of his life, he didn’t realize that anything was wrong, because of the covert nature of the emotional abuse, control, and gaslighting he was exposed to. A year ago he started to get a better grasp of his own reality and slowly began to understand what had really happened. Thomas is back on the show hoping to help others better recognize signs of covert abuse and control. Thomas continues his conversation with Rachel by explaining what it was like when he first left home, fleeing his narcissistic mother for the first time. He shares with us his inner dialogue as he begins to find true trust and love when he first meets his wife Thomas goes on to explain how his wife helped him unmask the covert narcissistic tendencies of his mother. Throughout the conversation, Rachel helps Thomas unpack the manipulation and emotional neglect he experienced as a child. Before You Go: Rachel gives advice to people who have experienced emotional sadism and addresses the fear and trepidation that can hinder their growth as a result. She notes that their perpetrators often lack the ability to have regrets or even re-examine their actions. Check out Rachel's Youtube videos on narcissism here: https://youtu.be/KHdMYbkrQ-0 https://youtu.be/-OWudR86JjU https://youtu.be/jtrEVDdZ7kc Thanks to our newest Patreon supporters Ilya Reyter and Alex P! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination shirts and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can help the show for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Nov 10, 2021
Future Faking w/Thomas
00:38:50
Our guest this week, Thomas, is from Denmark, and grew up alone with a covert narcissist mother who kept him socially isolated, emotionally abused him, and manipulated his sense of reality. For most of his life, he didn’t realize that anything was wrong, because of the covert nature of the emotional abuse, control, and gaslighting he was exposed to. A year ago he started to get a better grasp of his own reality and slowly began to understand what had really happened. Thomas is on the show hoping that his story can help others better recognize signs of covert abuse and control. Thomas explains to Rachel how, in retrospect he came to understand the emotional neglect and covert narcissism he experienced as a child. Rachel provides her insights on the manipulative parenting techniques of Thomas's mother and explains how they relate to those of cult leaders. Together, they unpack some of the most impactful moments in Thomas's childhood development and the emotional reverberations that followed. Before You Go: Rachel further examines the idea of future faking and breaks down how manipulators offer their victims a fraudulent promise or false hope in order to keep them distracted and under control. Check out Rachel's Youtube videos on narcissism here: https://youtu.be/KHdMYbkrQ-0 https://youtu.be/-OWudR86JjU https://youtu.be/jtrEVDdZ7kc Thanks to all of our amazing Patreon supporters! We couldn't do it without you! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination shirts and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can help the show for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Nov 03, 2021
Navigating the Minefields of your Mind w/ Claire Headley
00:52:15
Our returning guest, Claire Headley was born and raised in Scientology and joined Scientology's "Sea Organization" at 16, including signing a billion-year contract. In the Sea Org, Claire was quickly promoted to Scientology's international headquarters in Hemet, California, where she worked for 14 years, including working as an executive in their Religious Technology Center under David Miscavige, Scientology's current leader. Claire escaped in 2005 at the age of 30, and since that time Claire and her husband Marc (author of Blown for Good: Behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology) have been speaking out against Scientology's abusive practices. Claire appeared in 3 seasons of Leah Remini: Scientology & The Aftermath and has contributed to many other documentaries, articles, and radio shows, educating the general public on Scientology. Claire also now serves on the board of The Aftermath Foundation, a non-profit organization that assists people leaving Scientology to start new lives. In this second half of their two-part conversation, Claire recalls for Rachel the inner emotional turmoil she experienced after escaping from Scientology. Rachel offers her insights on the psychological difficulties that are commonplace among people who have recently extricated themselves from all manner of high control groups. Together they examine the types of support that can help ex-group members recover safely and effectively. Claire explains how her advocacy for survivors has been an intrinsic part of her own healing. Before You Go: Rachel examines how many high control groups eliminate communication and anything perceived as negativity among its members. This, she explains keeps them isolated in their suffering, and prevents the peer support that gives individuals the courage to leave. More info on the Headley's lawsuit against Scientology here: https://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/defectors-claire-and-marc-headley-say-church-of-scientology-tried-to/1250163/ More info on Marc Headley's book here: blownforgood.com/ Thanks to our newest Patreon supporters: Mel Layos and Ato Essandoh!! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination We also want to give a big shout-out to Jeanette Ojala for increasing her pledge! If you'd like to do the same find out how here: https://support.patreon.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000126286-Editing-your-membership#h_01EPWHK1GFVD92RGVC6GT00ED2 Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can help the show for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Oct 27, 2021
A Cadet's Life in the Sea Org w/Claire Headley
01:16:59
This week's guest, Claire Headley was born and raised in Scientology and joined Scientology's "Sea Organization" at 16, including signing a billion-year contract. In the Sea Org, Claire was quickly promoted to Scientology's international headquarters in Hemet, California, where she worked for 14 years, including working as an executive in their Religious Technology Center under David Miscavige, Scientology's current leader. Claire escaped in 2005 at the age of 30, and since that time Claire and her husband Marc (author of Blown for Good: Behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology) have been speaking out against Scientology's abusive practices. Claire appeared in 3 seasons of Leah Remini: Scientology & The Aftermath and has contributed to many other documentaries, articles, and radio shows, educating the general public on Scientology. Claire also now serves on the board of The Aftermath Foundation, a non-profit organization that assists people leaving Scientology to start new lives. In this first part of a two-part conversation, Claire recounts for Rachel the damaging neglect of her childhood in Scientology, and together they survey the multiple practices the organization used on"cadets" that can leave children scarred for life. Claire speaks about her traumatic time in the Sea Org starting from the age of 16, she tells the story of meeting her husband Marc there and how their love was the catalyst for her eventual escape. Throughout the conversation, Claire paints a grim picture of life in a secured Scientology compound as she rose to the top of David Miscavige's Religious Technology Center and the indignities she suffered along the way. Before You Go: Rachel explains how Scientology manipulates victimhood into a shameful failure of their followers, so as to not have to take responsibility for their abusive culture. She talks about the courage it takes to follow your instincts and fight against the Church's abuse despite personal harassment. More info on the Headley's lawsuit against Scientology here: https://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/defectors-claire-and-marc-headley-say-church-of-scientology-tried-to/1250163/ More info on Marc Headley's book here: http://blownforgood.com/ Thanks to our newest Patreon supporter Malia Michiko Gallegos!! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can help the show for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Oct 20, 2021
Magik Flavored Psychology w/Spike Robinson
00:52:45
This week's guest, Spike Robinson was born in the wilds of New Jersey and raised in bustling, metropolitan Vermont, she began her educational career in literary criticism before deciding to go for broke (literally) and study music theory and composition. One completed degree and three years in a “ritual magick” cult later, she found a new life path educating others about coercive control, manipulative persuasion, and the many nefarious ways predatory people fool us into acting against our own best interests. She currently manages the YouTube channel of author Jon Atack and lives with her ever-patient husband and two budgerigars. Spike shares her fascinating and often dark story of enchantment, psychedelia, and "Crowley-Esque, ritual magik." Together Spike and Rachel explore the textbook scenarios that led her into the arms of a narcissistic and abusive cult leader. Spike also talks about how hearing from ex-Scientologists helped her walk away from her own dark and strange group and create a new life for herself protecting people from systems of control. Before You Go: Rachel reiterates how intelligence levels have no bearing on what makes one susceptible to cultic indoctrination, and warns of the dangers of sacrificial devotion explaining how it can be exploited by abusive group leaders. To hear our episodes with the ex-Scientologists Spike mentions and many more follow this link: https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/sets/scientology?si=13d5207bbbc14329b47fbe987f5eecb9 For more on Spike: Jon Atack, family, and friends YouTube channel run by Spike: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCI4tcSMV2kEh3BooY_XFSYQ Spike’s own YouTube channel with her original music: https://www.youtube.com/user/spikeoramathon Spike’s blog with her artwork and writing: https://phoenyxrose.wordpress.com Thanks to our newest Patreon supporter Matt T! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can help the show for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Oct 13, 2021
MindShift w/Dr. Clint Heacock
00:51:06
This week we are proud to present a crossover episode with Dr. Clint Heacock, of the MindShift podcast. Dr. Heacock is an ex-evangelical pastor and Bible college teacher of over 20 years. After deconstructing his former Christian faith and leaving it behind more than a decade ago, he’s used his podcast platform to educate and help those who have left religion to rebuild their lives. In this first part of their 2 part conversation, Clint explains to Rachel the years-long process of questioning his faith that ultimately led him away from the Christian church. Dr. Heacock also breaks down the fundamentalist roots of evangelical Christianity and explains how it relates to today's religious right. Together, Rachel and Clint discuss the fear-based doctrines used in both religion and cults and the damage they can inflict on believers. Before You Go: Rachel goes in-depth into the fear-mongering tactics that some religious traditions use to control the behavior of their believers. She describes the paralyzing fear of divine retribution that some followers experience and how it can hinder their autonomy. Hear the second half of Clint and Rachel's conversation on the MindShift podcast by following the links below: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bonus-episode-how-religion-affects-our-mental-health/id1199559501?i=1000537766442 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/3QqRiYn1TgpGiEgzQYWVUb?si=JDCp-salRR6Fp3wHYGyLVA&dl_branch=1 For more information on Dr. Clint Heacock and the MindShift podcast, check out his website here: https://mindshiftpodcast.co.uk/ Thanks to our newest Patreon supporter Elli Pripas! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link! http://www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can help the show for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!
Oct 06, 2021
Fighting Hate w/Marilyn Mayo
00:52:13
This week's guest, Marilyn Mayo, is the Research Fellow at the Anti-Defamation League’s (ADL) Center on Extremism. Marilyn is an expert on right-wing extremists in the United States, ranging from white supremacists to academic racists to anti-immigrant groups. She has been with the ADL for 24 years, having previously served as the Associate Director of Investigative Research. Marilyn shares her insights from decades of investigation on hate groups and extremism as a research fellow with the ADL. She breaks down the complex roots of extremist hate and unravels some of the difficult social issues that government must address in order to quell the many violent extremist movements currently threatening the United States. Rachel draws parallels between extremist hate groups and cultic high control groups, both in the recruitment tactics used as well as the potential for the violence these groups inherently hold. Marylin and Rachel go on to discuss deradicalization strategies and the important educational resources offered by the Anti-Defamation League’s (ADL) Center on Extremism. Before You Go: Rachel explains that despite how the ever-changing landscape of hate and extremism continues to morph into different ideologies, its root cause remains the same, that ugly side of human nature that we must all continue to fight against collectively. For more information as well as educational resources, visit the ADL website here: https://www.adl.org/ To stay connected with their work follow the group on social media: https://twitter.com/ADL https://www.facebook.com/anti.defamation.league/ https://www.instagram.com/adl_national/ Thanks to all of our Patreon supporters, we could not do it without you!! You can help the show for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link! www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION
Sep 29, 2021
A Complicated Cookie w/ Beth Matenaer
01:06:15
Our guest this week, Beth Matenaer, is a licensed professional counselor and trauma therapist living in South Carolina, who has worked with adults, children, adolescents, and families for more than 25 years. As a survivor of the Troubled Teen Industry, she has devoted her decades-long career to treating clients who exhibit the complexity of post-traumatic stress (PTSD) and other victims of high-conflict systems. Additionally, she is the co-creator and Clinical Director of the innovative Think Boxing program. As an adolescent, she was sent to a program heavily modeled after the Synanon cult. This self-help style school used attack therapy, loss of personal agency, physical labor, and isolation from friends and family as a way to tear down “troubled” teenagers in order to reform them. Throughout their conversation, Beth shares with Rachel both her clinical expertise and personal experience, she sheds light on complex trauma or (CPTSD) and how it often goes unrecognized or mistreated. Beth also tells the story of her traumatic time at a "Troubled Teen" program, where she was subjected to unhealthy “cultic” and exploitative relationships with staff members. She goes on to explain what happened when she ran away from the program and how her experiences inspired her to become a therapist focusing largely on misunderstood youth, traumatized children and adults, and highly dysfunctional family systems. Before You Go: Rachel emphasizes the importance of conducting research into any program before becoming involved, especially for parents who are often deceived by programs in the "Troubled Teen" industry. Rachel gives some tips on what parents should look out for when scouting programs and offers some advice on how to maintain a trusting relationship with their children. More info about Beth here: http://www.bethmatenaer.com More info on Beth's therapeutic boxing program here: www.Thinkboxing.co Thanks to our newest Patreon supporter "Free from RF"!! You can help the show for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link! www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION
Sep 22, 2021
Narconon, and On and On... w/ Pam
00:54:01
In the late 1970s, while Pam was in college, she got involved with Scientology doing many courses and counseling with them. She stayed in Scientology a long time, but around 2001, Pam was in a terrible accident where she broke her neck throwing her into the medical world of surgeries, medicines, doctors, etc. During her recovery, Pam wanted off the medicines, so she got involved with Scientology’s form of “Drug Rehab” called “Narconon”. Not knowing what to expect, she first went to their facility in the LA area which turned out to be a 3-month nightmare for her, so they flew her to Montreal, Canada to a sister Narconon for many months. Pam desperately hoped they would keep their promises to help her, but this did not happen. These unbelievable experiences badly affected both her mental and physical health. At one point she was down to 84 lbs often having continuous seizures with no one qualified to watch over her, finding herself staying alone in an old Canadian farmhouse for months with little food, medical care, or even a phone- which also turned out to be deadly for her. She felt like a prisoner jailed in a foreign country not knowing anyone or even being able to speak their language. What could she do? This is her grueling story as to how it all happened, Narconon’s lack of any help whatsoever, and how she managed to escape back to her parents in the United States where her years of recovery began. In this conclusion of Rachel's two-part conversation with Pam, she tells the story of how she ended up being transferred to a remote Canadian farmhouse, where she was trapped alone and suffering for weeks. She details the heroic steps a young girl took to help get her to a travel agency where she was eventually able to get home to her parents. Rachel provides insights on the trauma Pam experienced and her long and difficult road to recovery. Before You Go: Rachel provides some psychological context to what Pam experienced throughout her ordeal. She breaks down the difficulties of complex trauma and the Complex Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome many in her position struggle with. Thanks to all our newest Patreon supporters! We couldn't do it without you! You can help the show for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link! www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION
Sep 15, 2021
Narconon, Pain, and Perseverance w/ Pam
00:44:38
In the late 1970s, while Pam was in College, she got involved with Scientology doing many courses and counseling with them. She stayed in Scientology a long time, but around 2001, Pam was in a terrible accident where she broke her neck throwing her into the medical world of surgeries, medicines, Doctors, etc. During her recovery, Pam wanted off the medicines, so she got involved with Scientology’s form of “Drug Rehab” called “Narconon”. Not knowing what to expect, she first went to their facility in the LA area which turned out to be a 3-month nightmare for her, so they flew her to Montreal, Canada to a sister Narconon for many months. Pam desperately hoped they would keep their promises to help her, but this did not happen. These unbelievable experiences badly affected both her mental and physical health. At one point she was down to 84 lbs often having continuous seizures with no one qualified to watch over her, finding herself staying alone in an old Canadian farmhouse for months with little food, medical care, or even a phone- which also turned out to be deadly for her. She felt like a prisoner jailed in a foreign country not knowing anyone or even being able to speak their language. What could she do? This is her grueling story as to how it all happened, Narconon’s lack of any help whatsoever, and how she managed to escape back to her parents in the United States where her years of recovery began. In part one of Rachel's two-part conversation with Pam, she talks about how she ended up in Scientology, to begin with, and the events that led to her seeking help through Narconon. Through her detailed personal account, she reveals the restrictive and dangerous medical practices of both Scientology and Narconon. Throughout the conversation, Rachel provides insight into the complex healing process that accompanies multiple tragedies and marvels at how Pam overcame the many traumas of her experience. Before You Go: Rachel explains her admiration for people who speak out against the destructive and controlling groups they left and shares her own personal experiences with harassment from The Church of Scientology. Thanks to all our newest Patreon supporters: "sdotsharp", and Maggie A Kelly!! We couldn't do it without you! You can help the show for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link! www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION
Sep 08, 2021
Sat Yoga Exposed w/Govinda
01:02:05
This week's guest Govinda describes himself as a modern mystic committed to spiritual growth and enlightenment while simultaneously learning to be a balanced and grounded human being in this world. Govinda has been an IT consultant in banking and a successful internet entrepreneur. He has traveled the world in search of communities and alternative ways of living before he co-founded "Awake" in Costa Rica in 2020, a community and center dedicated to support and accelerate what he calls human awakening. Govinda describes for Rachel the experiences he had at Sat Yoga, an ashram and school in Costa Rica led by Shunyamurti (aka Robert Shubow) He explains the red flags he noticed in the leader and the cultic tactics he used to manipulate the minds of his followers. Rachel breaks down the common psychological traits of cult leaders while Govinda points out where these traits were present in Shunyamurti. Govinda goes on to share how his negative experiences led him to co-found the website www.satyoga.exposed/ which offers a different perspective on the nature of the organization and a voice for the numerous past members of the cult who have had a personal relationship with Shunyamurti. Before You Go: Rachel speaks about what disillusioned followers can experience when they finally see cracks in the facade of a controlling leader, and what signs are visible when a leader hides their true self. A very special thanks to Lisa Critchley for their generous support! Thanks also to all our newest Patreon supporters: Kate Sandler, Jacob Brooks, Amy, Stephanie J Sharp, and Nathan Andersen!! We couldn't do it without you! You can help the show for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link! www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION
Sep 01, 2021
A Close Call w/ Zoe Scurletis
00:55:08
This week's guest, Zoe Scurletis is a young professional who is currently based out of Austin, Texas. For most of her adult life, Zoe battled anxiety and depression, and in 2017 she lost a close friend to suicide. She longed to do something to bring awareness to the mental health community, so in October of 2019, she launched a mental health podcast called Solace and the City™. Through authentic conversations about sensitive subjects, she works to open up the conversation around emotional wellness. Her goal of the podcast is to reduce the stigma surrounding depression, anxiety, loneliness, and suicide by sharing these powerful stories. In her conversation with Rachel, Zoe talks about her passion for destigmatizing mental health issues as well as her own struggles with Tourette syndrome. Zoe walks us through the circumstances that led to her experiences with Mark Elliot, an author and public speaker who was a member of NXIVM and claimed his Tourette's was cured by the cult's leader Keith Raniere. Zoe shares how she narrowly averted recruitment into NXIVM by Mark, while Rachel points out some of the red flags to watch out for when being persuaded to join a group. Before You Go: Rachel explains why a promise can hold such tremendous weight on a person's psychology and the depth to which it can establish or destroy trust in a relationship. She explains the responsibility and emotional maturity needed when making promises to people. Listen to Zoe's podcast Solace and The City, including more conversation with Rachel here: https://solaceandthecity.com/32-rachel-bernstein-that-one-time-i-was-recruited-into-a-sex-cult/ Thanks to all our newest Patreon supporters: Julie Richards, Adael Bullock, Amy Keller, and Eve Bryant !!! You can help the show for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link! www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION
Aug 25, 2021
Leaving The Family Compound w/ Cody & Kandi
01:02:08
This week's guests Cody & Kandi are a married couple from a small town in the Ozarks, located near the Arkansas-Missouri border. They met and began dating in 2012. Cody grew up living on his family’s cult compound in rural Missouri, coincidentally near other infamous cult compounds. In July 2013, Cody found out the truth about his family. He was reunited with his mother after 15 years. Cody and his mother have developed a close relationship. Cody also met his father in July 2013, for the first time in 20 years. In November 2013, against the wishes of his family, Cody and Kandi married. After experiencing ongoing harassment by "the family" In 2019, Cody and Kandi moved several hours away from the Ozarks. Cody is now in college, pursuing a degree in American Studies, and with the fierce support of his wife Kandi, he has finally started going through the process of leaving the cultic mindset behind. Kandi continues to support him through this process as she continues pursuing her law school where she is due to graduate in May of 2022. Cody shares with Rachel his experience of being raised in an isolated family compound after being taken away from his parents by other family members involved in the cultic commune. He explains how these relatives attempted to cover up the sex abuse of his mother by elders of the group when she was a child. He talks about experiencing the effects of the religious trauma that affected multiple generations. Throughout the conversation, Kandi shares her perspective of discovering the abuses and cultic behaviors in Cody's family and explains her thought process as she slowly and graciously led her husband away from the trauma and indoctrination of his family. Kandi explains the negative effects these destructive relatives had on their relationship and what she did to overcome the difficulties. Before You Go: Rachel examines the ingrained fears that people who grow up with apocalyptic doctrine experience and the difficulties they have in shedding those worries later in life. Thanks to all our Patreon supporters!! You can help the show for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link! www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION
Aug 18, 2021
Deception In The Dojo w/ Rob from McDojo Life
01:03:12
This week's guest Rob has been training in martial arts for over 24 years and has earned a 3rd Degree Black Belt in Karate and a Purple Belt in Brazilian jujitsu. He was on the International martial arts team Full Circle and ran his own martial arts school for four years. He has been consulting for martial arts businesses for 10 years and because of his experiences in the industry, he founded McDojo Life, a web entity where he has been exposing fakes, phonies, frauds, and pedophiles for the last decade. Throughout the conversation, Rachel and Rob both examine the similarities between cultic religious groups and martial arts schools. He points out the red flags students should look out for and what questions to ask potential instructors. Rob demonstrates with Rachel the five objections technique employed by salespeople, cult leaders, and martial arts instructors alike. Before You Go: Rachel provides further insights into how to be safe from control in a teacher/student relationship in any setting and reiterates the importance of examing these relationships even in seemingly innocuous organizations. Follow Rob's project McDojo Life: https://twitter.com/mcdojolife?lang=en https://linktr.ee/mcdojolife https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj0hSixOVSV4HvmbAQjk0WA Check out the trailer for his upcoming documentary here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkjaGq3DcAw Thanks to all our Patreon supporters!! You can help the show for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link! www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION
Aug 11, 2021
A Witness To Homophobia w/ Geoff Law
00:52:06
CONTENT WARNING: SUICIDAL IDEATION Our guest this week, Geoff Law, was raised a Jehovah's Witness in Northern California. As a Witness, he spent 35 years devoted to bible research using only Witness-approved publications, attending three weekly meetings, and spending upwards of 70 hours each month spreading the Jehovah’s Witness doctrine, trying to convert future members. His zeal for his beliefs led him as far as moving to Shanghai, China to proselytize underground, an activity that is currently banned by the government. Geoff grew up identifying as gay in a religion that does not allow its members the ability to identify as part of the LGBTQ+ community. The constant bombardment of homophobic rhetoric, being taught to believe being gay is a choice and is wrong, forced to come out to leaders in the congregation, to confess thought crimes and “sins”, and told to pray the “same-sex attraction” away, eventually caused so much self-loathing and depression that suicide seemed the only option. In 2019, Geoff decided to come out to his friends and family and leave the Jehovah’s Witnesses for good. Since leaving the organization, he’s been on a journey of self-discovery, unwinding deeply ingrained ideologies of sexuality and spirituality, instead of learning to live authentically as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. He is focused on getting the truth about the Jehovah’s Witnesses out to the general public and encourages anyone that identifies as LGBTQ+ in the Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization or in other similar high control groups to find freedom and self-love as they live an authentic and truthful life. In today's conversation, Geoff walks Rachel through his experience of growing up gay as a Jehovah's Witness. He explains the difficulties of discovering his sexuality as a young man while navigating the shame and self-hatred he felt because of the archaic and homophobic beliefs of the church. He explains how the homophobic rhetoric of his high control church created in him intense feelings of isolation that eventually led to suicidal ideation. Geoff details his guilt-ridden confessions to the church and also reveals some of the ignorant and hateful writings on homosexuality that can be found in the Church's official archive to this day, Before You Go: Rachel examines the intolerance of some fundamentalist religious households and explains what a virtue and gift acceptance is not only for families but for society as a whole. Thanks to our newest Patreon supporter, Kamila Forson!! You can help the show for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link! www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION
Aug 04, 2021
Weapons of Information w/Olga Yurkova
00:51:51
Our guest this week is Olga Yurkova from Ukraine. Olga edits the Context and Opinions sections of StopFake.org. She teaches different audiences how propaganda works and how to identify fake news, consulting with a range of organizations and collaborating with mainstream media as a journalist. Yurkova explores propaganda methods and finds out new ways to overcome these challenges. In June 2017, she and her colleagues Maarten Schenk and Jordy Nijenhuis launched a project called Forbidden Facts, which explains how fake news spreads online through clickbait headlines on Facebook that reach out to skeptical audiences. Yurkova has 15 years of experience in journalism. She headed the local multimedia newsroom in Ternopil city for six years. She then ran the Donbas and Crimea department at the national multimedia newsroom Nova Informacia for three years. She has been working as a new media trainer since 2012, and for fighting propaganda, Yurkova was included in the list of New Europe 100 and was named a TED Fellow in 2018. Olga describes the disinformation campaign launched by Russia to influence Ukrainian popular opinion and the blatant and shocking false narratives that she set out to expose with her projects Forbidden Facts and StopFake.org .Throughout the conversation, Olga shares with Rachel her perspective on disinformation in the media landscape and talks about her work combating propaganda. Before You Go: Rachel expands on the importance of Olga's ideas around building information resilience and media literacy, explaining the manipulation of emotion that mass media often utilizes to influence large populations into believing certain narratives. Thanks to our newest Patreon supporter, Jenny Cornbleet!! Please support us for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link! www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION
Jul 28, 2021
Playhouse Abuses w/ Andrea Geones and Michael Laskin
00:50:01
Returning this week are actors, Andrea Geones and Michael Laskin. Andrea and Michael teamed up to create a code of ethics for acting classes with one goal in mind: to create a safe and healthy environment for actors and acting students. After experiencing the unhealthy and cult-like culture fostered within many acting classes where sexual, financial, and psychological abuse were the norm, they created https://www.findyouractingclass.com/ and wrote a code of conduct for acting teachers to agree to and endorse, as well as guidelines to help teachers ensure that they are running their classes ethically. Andrea is a Los Angeles native. In addition to acting and piano, she has studied singing, guitar, and flute. She currently is in school earning a b.s. in nutritional sciences while she pursues her career in acting. She is also a freelance writer for online publications, including where she originally wrote about the cult-like atmosphere of acting classes. You can find her article here: https://www.wordsbetweencoasts.com/actors-beware-you-may-be-in-a-cult/ Michael Laskin has been a working actor for over 40 years, across all platforms: film, theatre, and television. Twelve years ago he started The Michael Laskin Studio, an acting studio in Los Angeles. His book, “The Authentic Actor - the Art and Business of Being Yourself” has been praised as a fresh, newly examined, and non-dogmatic approach to the work and the life of an actor. In the second half of Rachel's two-part discussion with Andrea and Michael, the actors break down their code of ethics and describe the personal experiences that directly inform many of the guidelines. Andrea explains the feelings of vulnerability and helplessness that acting students often feel and shares about the emotional abuse she experienced from teachers. Michael provides more insight from his perspective as an experienced teacher and explains how his outrage at the abusive practices became a catalyst to join Andrea in pursuit of a healthier and safer environment for students. Before You Go: Rachel examines how systems of control keep people in place by manipulating them into a feeling of scarcity and explains why claims of exclusivity can be a red flag. Thanks to our newest Patreon supporters, Deborah Schneider and Rosa Egede!! You can always help support us for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes, it really helps the visibility of the show! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link! www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION http://www.michaellaskinstudio.com http://andreageones.com/
Jul 21, 2021
Hero Worship w/ Andrea Geones and Michael Laskin
00:50:04
This week our guests are Andrea Geones and Michael Laskin. Andrea and Michael teamed up to create a code of ethics for acting classes with one goal in mind: to create a safe and healthy environment for actors. After experiencing the unhealthy and cult-like culture fostered within many acting classes where sexual, financial, and psychological abuse were the norm, they created https://www.findyouractingclass.com/ and wrote a code of conduct for acting teachers to agree to and endorse, as well as guidelines to help teachers ensure that they are running their classes ethically. Andrea is a Los Angeles native. In addition to acting and piano, she has studied singing, guitar, and flute. She currently is in school earning a b.s. in nutritional sciences while she pursues her career in acting. She also is a freelance writer for online publications, including where she originally wrote about the cult-like atmosphere of acting classes. You can find her article here: https://www.wordsbetweencoasts.com/actors-beware-you-may-be-in-a-cult/ Michael Laskin has been a working actor for over 40 years, across all platforms: film, theatre, and television. Twelve years ago he started The Michael Laskin Studio, an acting studio in Los Angeles. His book, “The Authentic Actor - the Art and Business of Being Yourself” has been praised as a fresh, newly examined, and non-dogmatic approach to the work and the life of an actor. In part one of Rachel's discussion with Andrea and Michael, The actors share their respective experiences and explain what led them to create their unique code of ethics. Andrea explores the link between Scientology and the Beverly Hills Playhouse and the origin of certain cult-like techniques in acting. Michael explains the abuse inherent in the pedagogy of some acting teachers and gives his perspective on a healthy teacher-student relationship. Before You Go: Rachel explains how important a code of ethics can be in any industry, how it helps both teachers and students alike, and the dangers that exist when no support or oversight is available in a group. Thanks to our newest Patreon supporters, Kate, Richard Dineen, and Kim Brown!! You can always help support us for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes, it really helps the visibility of the show! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link! www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION http://www.michaellaskinstudio.com http://andreageones.com/
Jul 14, 2021
Picking Up The Pieces Of Yourself w/ Lisa
00:56:32
Lisa got out of a small, suburban, new age, therapy-based group in 2016, which she had joined as a 19-year-old, single mother. This high-demand group went through many phases over the 30 years she was involved. The charismatic, narcissistic leader utilized modalities such as rebirthing, affirmations, hot seat talk therapy, sleep deprivation, as well as verbal, physical, and sexual abuse as a means to control. These techniques combined with intervals of positive reinforcement held her captive in a sealed system where all efforts towards personal success were directed to benefit the leader. Creative endeavors were quashed if it meant confidence and self-esteem were to be gained. In 2015, there were enough cracks that Lisa realized that she could never become the person she joined the group to be if she stayed. Since Lisa got out, she married the man who helped her find her way back to herself and out of the group. Lisa is passionate about supporting other cult survivors to find their own voices and share their own stories…and for those voices and stories to be heard, acknowledged, and understood. Lisa shares her experiences of being in an abusive high control group for decades, she explains what it was like joining as a single teenage mother and examines the differences between being raised in a cult vs joining one as an adult. Lisa then examines what led to her finally leaving the group and what triggered her passion for supporting cult survivors once she left. She continues the conversation by talking about #igotout the movement she founded to bring survivor's stories to the public. Before You Go: Rachel provides her professional insights on what an unhealthy therapeutic experience looks like, and how to keep yourself safe from a potentially harmful situation. To hear Rachel dive deeper into this topic, you can watch her video here: https://youtu.be/EEBo_Z2VTqE For more information on Lisa's #igotout movement please visit: https://www.igotout.org/ Thanks to Maura Campbell-Balkits for increasing their monthly pledge on Patreon!! You can always help support us for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes, it really helps the visibility of the show! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link! www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION
Jul 07, 2021
Cognitive Shift w/ Chris & Melissa Buckley
01:07:48
Christopher Buckley of LaFayette, GA is an Afghanistan and Iraqi war veteran. When he returned from Iraq, he joined the Georgia White Knights as an Imperial Nighthawk, because their anti-Muslim and racist values were consistent with his worldview after returning from war. Arno Michaelis, a former white power skinhead, and Dr. Heval Mohamed Kelli, a Kurdish Muslim refugee, were able to teach Chris the error of his ways and helped bring him out of the movement. Today, he volunteers at The Haven in Georgia, a local organization that helps homeless and drug addicts. He also gives motivational speeches, trying to spread awareness and educate the public about the dangers of white supremacist extremism. Chris now works with Dr. Kelli on a program called Help, Heal, Love; where they work to repair flawed thinking in hate groups and spread a message of love and healing. He also created a deradicalization program designed specifically with veterans in mind but is geared to work with all manners of hate and extremist ideology. Melissa Buckley is Christopher Buckley’s wife and a key person in helping her husband leave the Ku Klux Klan. She realized that the KKK was damaging to Chris and their children and wanted a healthier path for the well-being of her entire family. She searched online to try and find someone to help her get Chris out of the KKK and found Arno Michaelis, a former white power skinhead, and Parents for Peace advisory board member. Over a several-month period, Melissa worked with Arno to help pull Chris out of the dangerous extremism he had become involved with. Thanks to the support of Melissa and Arno, Chris is now an inspirational model that spreads awareness about the dangers of white supremacist extremism and teaches others how to help their family members who have become involved with extremism. In this follow-up episode, Chris and Melissa share the details of the intense emotional journey that deradicalization brought to their relationship. Melissa explains how she went about planning the intervention that eventually led to Chris getting sober and leaving the KKK. Together they tell the story of how their love for each other gave them the strength to not only deradicalize Chris but completely transform his life for the better, of not just him and his family, but also for others who have loved ones involved with extremism. Before You Go: Rachel examines the strength and resilience that Melissa showed in planning and executing Chris's rescue from hateful ideology. For More Info on Parents for Peace, visit: www.parents4peace.org/ If you are worried about extremism, you can call their helpline at 1-844-49-PEACE For more info on Arno Michaelis visit: https://www.theforgivenessproject.com/stories/arno-michaels/ Thanks to our newest Patrons: Big Easy Blasphemy, Chris Campbell-Garcia, and Kendy Maher!! You can always help support us for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes, it really helps the visibility of the show! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link! www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION
Jun 30, 2021
Crazy Wise Guys w/Jonathan Hirsch
01:01:03
As an independent producer, reporter, and sound designer, Jonathan Hirsch has produced hundreds of long-form audio works for NPR, Vox, NBC, Fusion Media Group, and many others. He is a recipient of the Green Eyeshade, Edward R. Murrow, and DuPont Awards. His 7-part documentary podcast series Dear Franklin Jones debuted #1 on the iTunes podcast charts. In April of 2018, Jonathan launched Neon Hum Media, an LA-based podcast production company, specializing in narrative-driven, high production value, “audio first” documentaries, talk shows, and partner content. Jonathan talks about the insights he gained from researching the spiritual teacher Dr. Fredrick Lenz III for his new audio documentary podcast series I Am Rama. Jonathan shares with Rachel the story behind his fascination with Lenz, also known as Rama, which begins with his parents meeting at a spiritual convention organized by Rama. By the time Jonathan was born, his parents had changed paths and became devotees of another controversial spiritual leader, Adi Da, joining his new religious group Adidam which Jonathan was born into and raised in. Before You Go: Rachel explains why victims of cults or high control relationships often go from one bad situation to the next and what measures you can take to stop the cycle of abuse and protect yourself from manipulation. Listen to Jonathan's podcast Smoke Screen: I Am Rama here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/smoke-screen-i-am-rama/id1525807626 Thanks to our newest Patron Sarah Mayberry!! You can always help support us for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes, it really helps the visibility of the show! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link! www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION
Jun 23, 2021
Too Cultish For Comfort w/ Amanda Montell
01:07:33
Amanda Montell is a writer, language scholar, and podcast host from Baltimore. She is the author of Cultish: The Language of Fanaticism, about the language of "cults" from Scientology to SoulCycle. As a reporter and essayist, Amanda's writing has been featured in Marie Claire, Glamour, Cosmopolitan, Nylon, Bustle, The Rumpus, Byrdie, and Who What Wear, where she formerly served as the Features & Beauty Editor. She holds a degree in linguistics from NYU and lives in Los Angeles with her partner, plants, and pets. Find her on Instagram @amanda_montell Amanda explains to Rachel her experience growing up with her father, who was raised in the cultic group Synanon, an alternative community centered on group truth-telling sessions that came to be known as the "Synanon Game" a form of attack therapy. She explains how from a young age her father's story informed her skepticism of the language of high control environments. She also shares some of the insights she gained about cultic language while interviewing sources for her book. Throughout the conversation, Rachel emphasizes the important role language plays in the manipulation of victims of high control groups of all kinds. Before You Go: Rachel elaborates on the idea of "Thought terminating cliches" and the dangers it can pose in the context of high control groups. Thanks to our newest Patrons: Isabel, Duncan, and Stephany Zamora!! You can always help support us for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes, it really helps the visibility of the show! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link! www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION
Jun 16, 2021
Extremism Is Like A Drug w/ Chris Buckley
01:16:38
CW: Sexual violence against children Christopher Buckley of LaFayette, GA is an Afghanistan and Iraqi war veteran. When he returned from Iraq, he joined the Georgia White Knights as an Imperial Nighthawk, because their anti-Muslim and racist values were consistent with his worldview after returning from war. Arno Michaelis, a former white power skinhead, and Dr. Heval Mohamed Kelli, a Kurdish Muslim refugee, were able to teach Chris the error of his ways and helped bring him out of the movement. Today, he volunteers at The Haven in Georgia, a local organization that helps homeless and drug addicts. He also gives motivational speeches, trying to spread awareness and educate the public about the dangers of white supremacist extremism. Chris now works with Dr. Kelli on a program called Help, Heal, Love; where they work to repair flawed thinking in hate groups and spread a message of love and healing. He also created a deradicalization program designed specifically with veterans in mind but is geared to work with all manners of hate and extremist ideology. Chris shares with Rachel his intense and traumatic personal story, identifying key moments in his upbringing that ultimately led him down a dark and destructive path of addiction, racism, and violence. Together, he and Rachel examine the "cognitive bias" and as Chris explains the "cognitive openings" that can be a catalyst both into and out of extreme belief systems. In the second half of their conversation, Chris talks about his journey towards healing through sobriety and deradicalization. He also tells us about the life-saving redemption initiated by his wife that led to him working with Arno Michaelis and Parents for Peace and the meaning he has found in helping others overcome their extremist ideologies. Before You Go: Rachel examines the vulnerabilities and sequence of events that can lead to indoctrination and radicalization, and how behaviors commonly seen in addiction are mirrored in extremist ideology For More Info on Parents for Peace, visit: https://www.parents4peace.org/ If you are worried about extremism, you can call their helpline at 1-844-49-PEACE For more info on Arno Michaelis visit: https://www.theforgivenessproject.com/stories/arno-michaels/ Thanks to our newest Patrons: Sabine Breiholz, Renee M Williams, Nicholas Herrera, and Felicity Kusinitz!! You can always help support us for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes, it really helps the visibility of the show! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link! www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION
Jun 09, 2021
Spiritually Advised Neglect w/ Lauren Hunter
00:45:59
This week's guest is a fourth-generation Christian Scientist. Lauren Hunter is a freelance writer, consultant, and entrepreneur. She is the author of "Leaving Christian Science, 10 Stories of New Faith in Jesus Christ". Lauren shares with Rachel her story of leaving the church and describes the religious trauma that followed. Lauren also talks about her work with The Fellowship of Former Christian Scientists, along the way, she provides some insightful and concise background on the history of Christian Science and its founder Mary Baker Eddy. Before You Go: Rachel explains the concept of spiritually advised neglect and the damage it can do both physically and mentally. You can learn more about Lauren and find her book here: https://www.laurenhunter.net/ Learn more about The Fellowship of Former Christian Scientists here: https://ffcsministry.org/ Thanks to our newest Patrons: Maura Campbell-Balkits and LeAnneRobinson!! You can always help support us for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes, it really helps the visibility of the show! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link! www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION
Jun 02, 2021
Living Between Two Worlds w/Elli
00:52:59
Elli was raised a third-generation Christian Scientist in Southern California. She left the religion in her late teens and discovered it was a cult in her mid-twenties. Her journey of over 10 years has been undoing the restrictive thinking and false beliefs imprinted since birth and finding out who she is underneath it all. In this conclusion of a three-episode series, Elli shares with Rachel her continued struggle of learning how to process and even recognize emotion in herself and others after leaving the church. She describes the deep and lasting impact being raised to deny the existence of her own emotions has had on her as an adult. Before You Go: Rachel addresses the importance of striving to, as Elii said "become yourself", after leaving a high control group. She also provides insight on how to overcome the fear that often accompanies meeting yourself for the first time. Thanks to our newest Patron, Thomas La Cour! You can always help the show for free by leaving us a review on Apple/ iTunes, it really helps the visibility of the show! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link! www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION
May 26, 2021
Suppressing Emotions w/ Elli
00:35:11
Elli was raised a third-generation Christian Scientist in Southern California. She left the religion in her late teens and discovered it was a cult in her mid-twenties. Her journey of over 10 years has been undoing the restrictive thinking and false beliefs imprinted since birth and finding out who she is underneath it all. In this second part of a three-episode series, Elli continues sharing her story with Rachel and details her experience of starting therapy after leaving the church. She explains the difficulties she had in simply recognizing her own emotions, after being taught from a young age to ignore all feelings and even bodily sensations. Before You Go: Rachel addresses the importance of titles with regard to health professionals and the fraudulent use of them in Christian Science. She explains how this betrayal of trust can cause mistrust of healthcare workers that can be hard to unlearn. Thanks to our newest Patron Jackey Good!! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link! www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can always help the show for free by leaving us a review on Apple/iTunes, it really helps the visibility of the show!
May 19, 2021
"It's not Christian, and it's not science" w/Elli
00:38:29
Elli was raised a third-generation Christian Scientist in Southern California. She left the religion in her late teens and discovered it was a cult in her mid-twenties. Her journey of over 10 years has been undoing the restrictive thinking and false beliefs imprinted since birth and finding out who she is underneath it all. In this first part of a three-episode series, Elli shares with Rachel her story of growing up in a restrictive household and church where she was denied access to any form of medicine or healthcare. Throughout the conversation, Elli provides insight into her uniquely sheltered perspective and explains the confusing and disorienting feelings she experienced while integrating into broader society for the first time. Before You Go: Rachel addresses Elli's feelings of confusion surrounding a lack of basic medical language and how it can prevent the solution-oriented thinking that would usually lead to treatment from a doctor. Thanks to our newest Patrons: Caroline Hinton, Dolan, Felicia Baucom, and Heather Silsbee!! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link! www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can always help the show for free by leaving us a review on Apple/iTunes, it really helps the visibility of the show!
May 12, 2021
"I don't know who I am anymore" w/ Rachel and Erin Alder
01:01:47
Rachel and Erin Alder are a married couple from Seattle. Shortly after they met they became entangled in a situation within AA where their vulnerabilities were being used to control their behavior by a controlling sponsor. In Rachel's case, the vulnerability that was exploited was undiagnosed mental illness, specifically Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder. While Erin’s biggest vulnerability became whether the marriage was dependent on continued work with this manipulative group leader. Eventually, Rachel and Erin were able to break free from the exploitation of the invasive sponsor and her high-demand group. They share with Rachel the details of how they were pulled into this controlling situation and describe the fears that kept them there for 7 years. In our third and final episode with Rachel and Erin, they conclude the story of their experiences in a high control AA group. They discuss the difficulties of leaving the group and the after-effects they felt once they finally left it behind. Before You Go: Rachel emphasizes the importance of taking breaks from high control groups. She explains how it gives your mind a chance to reset and gain a new perspective. Thanks to our newest Patrons: Elizabeth Kirkpatrick, Sherry Agee, Gina Claborn and, Connie Scum!! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link! http://www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION You can always help the show for free by leaving us a review on Apple/iTunes, it really helps the visibility of the show! To read more of Rachel's thoughts on AA check out this article in Filter Magazine: https://filtermag.org/deprogramming-from-aa-when-a-fellowship-resembles-a-cult/
May 05, 2021
"If it's negative, it's a lie" w/ Erin and Rachel Alder
00:56:42
Rachel and Erin Alder are a married couple from Seattle. Shortly after they met they became entangled in a situation within AA where their vulnerabilities were being used to control their behavior by a manipulative sponsor. In Rachel's case, the vulnerability that was exploited Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder while Erin’s biggest vulnerability became whether the marriage was dependent on continued work with this manipulative group leader. Eventually, Rachel and Erin were able to break free from the exploitation of the invasive sponsor and her high-demand group after 7 years of control. In the second part of this 3-part story, the Alders detail some of the most heart-wrenching experiences they endured during their time in the group and explain the painful lessons they learned while trying to overcome tragedy. Before You Go: Rachel examines the narcissistic tendencies of group leaders who make everything about them. She explains how this manipulative tactic can be used as a means to control the narrative of others. To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link! www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION
Apr 28, 2021
Mining For Vulnerabilities w/ Erin and Rachel Alder
01:03:47
Rachel and Erin Alder are a married couple from Seattle. Shortly after they met they became entangled in a situation within AA where their vulnerabilities were being used to control their behavior by a controlling sponsor. In Rachel's case, the vulnerability that was exploited was undiagnosed mental illness, specifically Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder. While Erin’s biggest vulnerability became whether the marriage was dependent on continued work with this manipulative group leader. Eventually, Rachel and Erin were able to break free from the exploitation of the invasive sponsor and her high-demand group. They share with Rachel the details of how they were pulled into this controlling situation and describe the fears that kept them there for 7 years. Throughout this first part of a 3 part story, Rachel offers insights into the manipulative tactics used by this sponsor that are so common amongst high control groups. Before You Go: Rachel explains how manipulators can use a sort of unwanted reciprocity, with claims of personal sacrifice for your benefit. She breaks down how they often disguise their intentions of guilting you into compliance as an innocuous social construct of genuine reciprocity. Thanks to our newest Patron Angelica Ceniceros!! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link! www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION
Apr 21, 2021
Spiritual Meshugas Of Nothing w/Robbie Balonick
00:51:05
Robbie Balonick was raised in a non-religious, household, in middle America in the 1950s and 60s. She was a lifelong seeker who was looking for Truth with a capital "T" and passed quickly through psychedelics and the Hippy movement as mind-opening doors. After the assassination of the Kennedys and Martin Luther King, she became totally disillusioned with the suburban, capitalistic dreams that her parents would have her follow. So, she packed up a large backpack and began to travel, for 10 years looking for knowledge about God as did so many other middle-class dropouts of the era. First landing in Europe, then Asia and the Middle East, and eventually the jungles of the Yucatan Peninsula. All of this seeking ended up making Robbie the perfect candidate to be assimilated into a cult. Eventually, that seeking led Robbie to a lecture by John-Roger (formerly Roger Delano Hinkins) where she had a transcendent experience that pulled her into The Movement of Spiritual Inner Awareness (or MSIA) an abusive cultic group was founded in California in 1968 by John-Roger. She eventually left the group after hearing about sexual abuse allegations against the leader by two of his most devoted followers. Robbie shares her journey with the group explaining to Rachel what drew her to the leader and how she eventually left. Before You Go: Rachel speaks about the spiritual aftermath of leaving a cultic group. She explains the psychological difficulties inherent when lifting the veil of deception that victims have lived with for so long. To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link! www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION
Apr 14, 2021
Cult Classics w/ Paula Poundstone and Adam Felber
00:47:53
In a special crossover episode, this week we are airing Rachel's interview on Nobody Listens to Paula Poundston‪e‬. Paula, along with her co-host Adam Felber, ask Rachel about how to define a cult, the rise of cultic tactics in politics, and the intricacies of intervention, while Paula and Adam interject with their comedic takes. We hope you enjoy this lighter, yet still insightful, conversation about a serious topic. Before You Go: Rachel expands on the idea of interventions and deprogramming and addresses the misconceptions many people have about them. She also shares the dramatic story of a successful intervention in which she was involved. Thanks to our newest Patreon supporters: Mo, Nancy H, and Mike Ehrenkranz! To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link! http://www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION Follow these links to hear Rachel's lectures for the International Cultic Studies Association: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbTm0DTi5Ck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itzv2DAXPow
Apr 07, 2021
Raised on Avatar w/Dimitri
01:00:06
This week's guest Dimitri is the son of our previous guest Ariela Sarai. He was introduced to the cultic environment of Avatar courses by his mother at just 8 years old. He grew up heavily involved in the teachings of the group, eventually becoming a teacher of the courses himself at only 12 years old. After leaving college to help his mother through a difficult time, he got his real estate license, became a top salesman, and is now pursuing his passion as a freelance artist. In this conversation, Daniel shares his unique perspective on growing up with Avatar courses and explains how it has impacted his upbringing. Rachel points out the similarities found between Avatar and Scientology, including the group's intolerance of being questioned and the accusations that followers experience when speaking out. Before You Go; Rachel dives deeper into how controlling groups often assign a negative intention to an action of their followers that has no real correlation. She explains how the questioning of one's motivations can lead to self-doubt and allow manipulators to affect your inner narrative. We'd like to give a huge thank you to Julie Tamler for their generous donation through Patreon! Thanks so much for helping us keep going! We appreciate all of our amazing patrons! To help support the show, monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link! http://www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION
Mar 31, 2021
Micro-Compromises of Integrity w/Ariela Sarai
00:54:21
Micro-Compromises of Integrity w/Ariela Sarai After graduating from Columbia University, Ariela spent almost two years in India, first volunteering for Mother Teresa then studying Tibetan Buddhism. When she returned she got an MSW from the University of Pennsylvania. She worked as a therapist in prisons, hospitals, foster homes, and hospices. Then she established a Private Practice where she supported people who were focused on personal growth. In the year 2000, she was introduced to an international self-development course called Avatar. She had recently gotten divorced and was struggling with emotions and anxiety. She eventually decided to teach the course and also brought in many new students. She moved up the ranks. Gradually she began to get exhausted and depleted emotionally and financially. She stopped prioritizing family and friends. She was devoted to Avatar for 21 years. When Covid hit, courses stopped for a little while. She got to feel what it was like to be rested, to be home, to have more time with her boyfriend. She had a break from the treatment she had been getting. She thought things might be improving so she was part of the team that transferred the courses Online. But then she started to experience the same way of being talked to and pressured and felt controlled again. Only this time she could feel the impact it had on her. In November she finally realized that she was actually involved in a cultic environment. She had sacrificed everything for this group. As soon as she really got this, she had one consultation with a therapist, made an exit plan, and less than 24 hours later she left. In Part 2 of Ariela's conversation with Rachel, she describes her inner dialogue as she began to realize the manipulative and controlling tactics Avatar used to keep her devoted for over 20 years. Ariela walks us through her journey of leaving the group, how she summoned the courage to take back control of her life and what she has done to start her healing process. Before You Go: Rachel explains how high control groups can often stay under the radar of the public for long periods of time and the methods they employ to achieve secrecy through intimidation of their members and former members. Thanks to our newest Patrons: Lauren Fox, Iselle Flores, Olli-Pekka Mahrberg, Alan Coogan, and Jeanette Ojala!! To help support the show and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination
Mar 24, 2021
Behind The Avatar w/Ariela Sarai
00:56:17
After graduating from Columbia University, Ariela spent almost two years in India, first volunteering for Mother Teresa then studying Tibetan Buddhism. When she returned she got an MSW from the University of Pennsylvania. She worked as a therapist in prisons, hospitals, foster homes, and hospices. Then she established a Private Practice where she supported people who were focused on personal growth. In the year 2000, she was introduced to an international self-development course called Avatar. She had recently gotten divorced and was struggling with emotions and anxiety. She eventually decided to teach the course and also brought in many new students. She moved up the ranks. Gradually she began to get exhausted and depleted emotionally and financially. She stopped prioritizing family and friends. She was devoted to Avatar for 21 years. When Covid hit, courses stopped for a little while. She got to feel what it was like to be rested, to be home, to have more time with her boyfriend. She had a break from the treatment she had been getting. She thought things might be improving so she was part of the team that transferred the courses Online. But then she started to experience the same way of being talked to and pressured and felt controlled again. Only this time she could feel the impact it had on her. In November she finally realized that she was actually involved in a cultic environment. She had sacrificed everything for this group. As soon as she really got this, she had one consultation with a therapist, made an exit plan, and less than 24 hours later she left. In Part 1 of Ariela's conversation with Rachel, she explains how she first got involved in Avatar, why she thinks it consumed her life for so long, and she shares her feelings of regret about putting the group before everything else in her life, even her family. Rachel explains some of the methods high control groups use to keep people deeply devoted for long periods of time. Before You Go: Rachel examines why fulfilling the simple human need of intently listening to someone can be weaponized by high control groups in order to foster a false sense of trust, only to manipulate the victim into a deep and unwavering devotion. Thanks to our newest Patreon supporter Sophie Sartain! To help support the show and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination
Mar 17, 2021
Therapy without Boundaries w/Jonathan
00:55:04
When today's guest Jonathan was 15, he felt lost, alone, and unable to voice the feelings and thoughts that were troubling him. The domestic roles he was fulfilling as a young man and full-time student, including caring for his ill mother while navigating his parent's divorce, eventually led to him seeking help from a therapist. This therapist gained Jonathan's trust by appearing to understand and relate to him. Jonathan did not have the experience to know that the healthy boundaries of a therapeutic relationship were never actually there. From the beginning, this therapist used Jonathan's vulnerabilities to manipulate his emotions, and to control his relationships with his family and friends in order to isolate him and then insert himself and his wife into those roles. After 11 years of being manipulated, even being made to feel responsible for his therapist's life and personal needs, Jonathan was able to find a way out. In this second part of Rachel's conversation with Jonathan, he continues his emotional and powerful story of being trapped in a long-term abusive relationship with a controlling therapist and his wife. Rachel and Jonathan discuss the significant red flags of this relationship including the therapists' lack of professional boundaries and expectations of secrecy. Jonathan takes us through his mindstate as he finally reaches his breaking point and escapes the torturous relationship after more than a decade. Before You Go: Rachel explains why manipulators will often do everything possible to keep their victims' doubt at bay. She explains the importance of doubt as a safety net that can be key to maintaining healthy critical thinking skills that can illuminate the path to freedom from their control. Thanks to our newest Patreon supporter Sarah! To help support the show and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination
Mar 10, 2021
Manipulative Therapy w/ Jonathan
01:01:54
When today's guest Jonathan was 15, he felt lost, alone, and unable to voice the feelings and thoughts that were troubling him. The domestic roles he was fulfilling as a young man and full-time student, including caring for his ill mother while navigating his parent's divorce, eventually led to him seeking help from a therapist. This therapist gained Jonathan's trust by appearing to understand and relate to him. Jonathan did not have the experience to know that the healthy boundaries of a therapeutic relationship were never actually there. From the beginning, this therapist used Jonathan's vulnerabilities to manipulate his emotions, and to control his relationships with his family and friends in order to isolate him and then insert himself and his wife into those roles. After 11 years of being manipulated, even being made to feel responsible for his therapist's life and personal needs, Jonathan was able to find a way out. Today, for the first time anywhere, Jonathan bravely shares his story in order to help others. He wants people to know there is light at the end of the tunnel. Along the way, Rachel provides some important insights on how to recognize the dangers of an unhealthy therapeutic relationship and how to better protect yourself from manipulation. Before You Go: Rachel further examines the dangers of therapists who blur the lines of client/therapist boundaries. She explains the common tactics that narcissistic therapists often employ and the damage that they can cause to their clients. If you have experienced an unhealthy relationship with a therapist and would like to be in touch, Jonathan has kindly offered to communicate with you via email to provide insight from his experience in order to help others heal. You can reach out to him at: connectwithjonathan2021@gmail.com To hear more of Rachel's tips on how to recognize an unhealthy therapeutic relationship check out her video here: https://youtu.be/EEBo_Z2VTqE Thanks to our newest Patreon supporters: Karin Levitas and Lisa Maria Martin! To help support the show and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination
Mar 03, 2021
In between Knowledge and Mystery w/Daniel Ice
00:57:03
Daniel is an entrepreneur and was raised inside the church. His journey into understanding the nature of fraud and its application to religion started when he was excommunicated from his church for exposing sexual abuse. This has led him to ask the hard questions around his most deeply held beliefs. He has found healing through conversations around faith and abuse. He shares very personal stories with the hope that it will help others to find strength and healing. Rachel and Daniel have a wide-ranging discussion examining the logic behind the ideology of creationism. Daniel points out the common misconceptions of biblical literalism and by extension highlights the presuppositions that lead to vastly different interpretations of the biblical texts. Daniel explains why often in the most divisive issues the truth lies somewhere in the middle. He also expands on why difficult and honest conversations are key to unifying the most divided factions in both religion and politics. Before You Go: Rachel revisits Daniel's idea that religion is a sense-making apparatus. She examines the most important sense-making mechanism, the question, "Why?" Thanks to our newest Patreon supporters: Adrienne Martasin, Virginia Smith, and Adam Arnold! To help support the show and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination
Feb 24, 2021
Behind Heaven's Gate: Examining a Tragedy
00:37:15
In a special episode, this week Rachel speaks about Heaven's Gate, the UFO religious cult based near San Diego, California. Founded in 1974. Rachel provides some background on the group's leaders Marshall Applewhite and Bonnie Nettles and their teachings. She explains the importance in our times specifically of remembering the tragedy of the group's ritual suicide. In March 1997, 18 women and 21 men drank a lethal mixture of phenobarbital and vodka and then laid down to die, hoping to leave their "bodily containers', and enter an alien spacecraft. Rachel considers the mindstate of these lost individuals by examining their "Exit Statements". These statements were recorded directly before the suicides in an attempt to explain the motivations behind their actions to the public. These videos, while often disturbing, provide an intimate insight into the psyche of seemingly intelligent and logical people who have been so fully indoctrinated that they can plainly and fully justify their extreme actions. Rachel provides an analysis of the deep-seated issues, vulnerabilities, and tragic misinterpretations of the victims as well as the leaders that ultimately lead to their untimely demise. CONTENT WARNING: SUICIDE Thanks to our newest Patreon supporters: Paul Canchester, Sarah G. and Ellen Perreira To help support the show and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags please visit: https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination
Feb 17, 2021
Collective Disassociation w/ Dan Shaw
00:41:47
Dan Shaw is a licensed clinical social worker and a psychoanalyst in private practice in New York City and in Nyack New York. He was originally trained as an actor at Northwestern University with the renowned teacher Uta Hagen in New York City. Dan later worked as a missionary for an Indian guru. His eventual recognition of cultic aspects of his organization led him to become an outspoken activist in support of individuals and families. Traumatically abused in cults, simultaneous with leaving this group, Dan began his training in the mental health profession becoming a faculty member and supervisor at the National Institute for the Psychotherapies in New York publishing papers on psychoanalytic inquiry, contemporary psychoanalysis, and psychoanalytic dialogues and most recently published his book, Traumatic Narcissism, Relational Systems of Subjugation for the relational perspective series, which was nominated for the distinguished Gradiva Award in 2018, the International Cultic Studies Association awarded him the Margaret Thaler Singer Award for advancing the understanding of coercive persuasion and undue influence. Dan's book, Traumatic Narcissism and Recovery, Leaving the Prison of Shame and Fear, will be published by Routledge in 2021. Dan and Rachel discuss how the collective disassociation of the U.S. from its own brutal origins has shaped the current political landscape and is in fact a case of "history not remembered is repeated" They consider possible solutions by utilizing early education and collaborative de-radicalization. Dan provides his analysis of the roots of the sociological issues in the country that have led to tragic events such as the Capitol Insurrection. Before You Go: Rachel explains the dangers of under-educating citizens about the historical abuses perpetrated by systems of control. She describes the part of human nature that can ultimately lead to a cyclical repetition of historical tragedies. Thanks to our newest Patreon supporters: Ron Mortenson, Katherine Matheson, Sarah Wood, and Marlene Pine Help us continue the show at: https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination
Feb 10, 2021
Traumatic Narcissism in Politics w/ Dan Shaw
00:55:56
Dan Shaw is a licensed clinical social worker and a psychoanalyst in private practice in New York City and in Nyack New York. He was originally trained as an actor at Northwestern University with the renowned teacher Uta Hagen in New York City. Dan later worked as a missionary for an Indian guru. His eventual recognition of cultic aspects of his organization led him to become an outspoken activist in support of individuals and families. Traumatically abused in cults, simultaneous with leaving this group, Dan began his training in the mental health profession becoming a faculty member and supervisor at the National Institute for the Psychotherapies in New York publishing papers on psychoanalytic inquiry, contemporary psychoanalysis, and psychoanalytic dialogues and most recently publishing his book, Traumatic Narcissism, Relational Systems of Subjugation for the relational perspective series, which was nominated for the distinguished Gradiva Award in 2018, the International Cultic Studies Association awarded him the Margaret Thaler Singer Award for advancing the understanding of coercive persuasion and undue influence. Dan's book, Traumatic Narcissism and Recovery, Leaving the Prison of Shame and Fear, will be published by Routledge in 2021. Dan and Rachel discuss the current U.S. political landscape as it relates to traumatic narcissism. They go in-depth on the delusion of the current conspiracy theories that are a result in part of the political indoctrination created by malignant narcissists in power. Before You Go: Rachel discusses the destructive potential inherent when narcissists gain significant political power. She continues by expanding on Dan's idea of invisible mania as it relates to political extremists such as Qanon supporters. Thanks to our newest Patreon supporters: Evanne Heath and Muriel Barton! To help support the show and get cool benefits like bonus content and merchandise, please become a patron at https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination Already a patron? Follow this link to learn how to upgrade your tier on Patreon to get even more benefits! https://support.patreon.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000126286-Editing-your-membership#:~:text=Switching%20your%20tier%20on%20the%20Patreon%20app&text=Select%20the%20pencil%20icon%20to,d%20like%20to%20switch%20to
Feb 03, 2021
Shrink Chicks Crossover Episode w/Emmalee Bierly, LMFT & Jennifer Chaiken, LMFT
01:04:10
Licensed Marriage and Family Therapists, and Co-owners of The Therapy Group, Emmalee Bierly and Jennifer Chaiken are the hosts of Shrink Chicks Podcast. They invited Rachel on their show after seeing her in the STARZ documentary Seduced. They ask Rachel about how she got started in the field of cult psychology, the complications of providing therapy to vulnerable cult survivors, and the lack of educational opportunities for therapists interested in this specialized field. Rachel also speaks about the need for more professionals to join the field to meet the needs of survivors and provides some great advice for the family and friends of people caught up in high control groups. Before You Go: Rachel shares a preview of our new Patreon exclusive segment, The Weekly Check-In which will be available every Friday on Patreon to all levels of supporters. Sign up for any amount to access these exclusive recordings at https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination Thanks to our newest supporters: Djamilla, Todd Brown, and Jeanie Gaskill For more information on Emmalee and Jennifer, or to hear more episodes of Shrink Chicks please visit: https://www.shrinkchicks.com/
Jan 27, 2021
Charmed by a Narcissist w/Lola Binkerd
00:42:48
Lola Binkerd is an Author and Actress who was born and raised as a fourth-generation member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormon) in Salt Lake City, Utah. She has lived in Los Angeles for 16 years and her horror anthology "The River God and Other Stories" and short story "4-H" are available as eBooks on Gumroad and Amazon. Lola details how being raised in a particularly patriarchal Mormon Church set her up to seek out unhealthy relationships with men as an adult. She shares her experiences dealing with a manipulative and narcissistic love interest. Lola breaks down the learned mindset that allowed her to be drawn into a problematic relationship rife with gaslighting and deception. Before You Go: Rachel explains how growing up love-starved as a child can leave you very confused about what love is and make you vulnerable to manipulation in your adult relationships. Rachel also shares her thoughts on the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol last week. She gives insight into how people can so easily be indoctrinated into an ideology of hate and be driven to participate in tragically violent incidents. ***Rachel is speaking today about the Capitol Hill riots only to show the power of a leader's influence as it connects to the theme of the podcast. She is not taking a political stance (Republican vs. Democrat) and therefore is not inviting political debate or political comments. Thank you!*** Thanks to our newest Patreon supporters: Jonas Schaller, Niamh Quinn, Jenny Vogels, and ShinyCorviknight Help support the show at: https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination
Jan 13, 2021
A Girl in a Patriarchy w/ Lola Binkerd
00:49:52
Lola Binkerd is an Author and Actress who was born and raised as a fourth-generation member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormon) in Salt Lake City, Utah. She has lived in Los Angeles for 16 years and her horror anthology "The River God and Other Stories" and short story "4-H" are available as eBooks on Gumroad and Amazon. Lola shares with Rachel her experiences as a child growing up in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and explains how those experiences have affected her as an adult. She describes the toxic effects of raising girls to believe blind obedience and total self-sacrifice are feminine virtues, and how teaching girls to marry and defer to the right kind of man sets them up to be the victims of narcissists and high-control groups, even if they leave the religion/group itself. Before You Go: Rachel expands on Lola's childhood experience of being made to feel that her needs are secondary to those perceived to be higher up in the religious hierarchy of the church. She compares it to her own childhood experiences as the "baby" of the family and how it affected her relationships as an adult. Thanks to our newest Patreon supporters: Kate Donnellon, The MLM Police, Kara Fink, James Gussen, Joseph Carpenito, and Jennifer MacPherson Help support the show at: https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination To get in touch with Rachel please write her at indoctrinationshow@gmail.com
Jan 06, 2021
Facilitating Abuse w/ Stacie Stukin & Phillip Deslippe
01:02:10
Stacie Stukin is an arts and culture journalist who grew up in Los Angeles. She was a contributing editor at Yoga Journal and she’s also written about yoga for the Los Angeles Times and Time Magazine. Over the years, she’s had the opportunity to write about and practice many different forms of the practice including Kundalini Yoga as taught by Yogi Bhajan. This past July, she wrote a comprehensive investigative piece for Los Angeles Magazine about the current sexual misconduct allegations against Yogi Bhajan and the subsequent reckoning within the 3HO community. Philip Deslippe is a Ph.D. candidate in the Department of Religious Studies at the University of California, Santa Barbara and holds an MA from the University of Iowa. He has written articles for several academic journals including Ameriasia and the Journal of Yoga Studies, and pieces for numerous popular venues such as Yoga Journal and Tricycle. Philip was a member of 3HO for about a decade after taking a Kundalini Yoga class at his undergraduate college in the mid-1990s. He left in 2008 and went on to conduct research into the origins of Yogi Bhajan's Kundalini Yoga that culminated in the ground-breaking 2012 article "From Maharaj to Mahan Tantric" for Sikh Formations. Rachel continues her wide-ranging discussion with these foremost 3HO researchers as they go in-depth about their respective work exposing Yogi Bhajan. Stacie and Phillip talk about their experiences covering the group and the aftermath of their revelatory reporting. Before You Go: Rachel discusses "SGA's" or second-generation cult members and explains the damage that can be done, especially to children who are born into the isolation of compound life. She shares her experiences working with people leaving these sheltered environments and the struggles they have integrating into the greater society. The story Rachel mentions from a previous episode can be heard here: https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/maybe-jesus-isnt-coming-back-next-tuesday-w-andie-redwine-episode-20 Thanks to our newest Patreon supporters: Jennifer MacPherson and Fritha Land Help support the show at https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination Find more resources and information on Stacie and Phillip here: www.staciestukin.com/ www.philipdeslippe.com/ More indoctrination episodes on this subject can be found here: https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/jules-hartley To be in touch with Rachel, please write to indoctrinationshow@gmail.com
Dec 30, 2020
Hidden Darkness Behind a White Robe w/ Stacie Stukin & Phillip Deslippe
00:53:16
Stacie Stukin is an arts and culture journalist who grew up in Los Angeles. She was a contributing editor at Yoga Journal and she’s also written about yoga for the Los Angeles Times and Time Magazine. Over the years, she’s had the opportunity to write about and practice many different forms of the practice including Kundalini Yoga as taught by Yogi Bhajan. This past July, she wrote a comprehensive investigative piece for Los Angeles Magazine about the current sexual misconduct allegations against Yogi Bhajan and the subsequent reckoning within the 3HO community. Philip Deslippe is a PhD candidate in the Department of Religious Studies at the University of California, Santa Barbara and holds an MA from the University of Iowa. He has written articles for several academic journals including Ameriasia and the Journal of Yoga Studies, and pieces for numerous popular venues such as Yoga Journal and Tricycle. Philip was a member of 3HO for about a decade after taking a Kundalini Yoga class at his undergraduate college in the mid-1990s. He left in 2008 and went on to conduct research into the origins of Yogi Bhajan's Kundalini Yoga that culminated in the ground-breaking 2012 article "From Maharaj to Mahan Tantric" for Sikh Formations. Rachel moderates an in-depth conversation with two of the leading experts on 3HO revealing the history of both the 3HO organization as well as Yogi Bhajan himself. Before You Go: Rachel explains the damage that disbelief can cause to victims of controlling groups. She dissects how societal prejudices can help hold up the power structures that allow abusive groups to avoid accountability sometimes for decades. Thanks to our newest Patreon supporters: Katie Smith, Paul K, Katie Lacy, and Parker Radbourne Help support the show at: https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination Find more resources and information on Stacie and Phillip here: https://www.staciestukin.com/ https://philipdeslippe.com/ More indoctrination episodes on this subject can be found here: https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/jules-hartley
Dec 23, 2020
Fraud as Indoctrination w/ Daniel Ice
00:44:12
Daniel is an entrepreneur and was raised inside the church. His journey into understanding the nature of fraud and its application to religion started when he was excommunicated from his church for exposing sexual abuse. This has led him to ask the hard questions around his most deeply held beliefs. He has found healing through conversations around faith and abuse. He shares very personal stories with the hope that it will help others to find strength and healing. Rachel and Daniel discuss the shared tactics of fraudulent businesses and coercive religious groups, while Daniel goes in-depth about the personal experiences behind his motivation to educate people about the archetypes of fraud in all of its forms. Before You Go: Rachel touches on Robert Cialdini's concept of "pre-suasion", the idea of strategically conveying messages in order to make someone more open to subsequent manipulation. She offers advice on how to notice the signs of "pre-suasion" in order to avoid this subtle but powerful form of influence. Thanks to our newest Patreon supporters: Katherine, Maija Teppola Baehr, and Parker Radbourne Help support the show at: https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination
Dec 16, 2020
Beyond The 12 Steps w/Brooke Knaack
01:03:26
Brooke Knaack is a licensed marriage and family therapist and registered art therapist based in Los Angeles who has over ten years of clinical experience. She currently sees clients at her private practice where she uses cognitive, relational, and somatic techniques to help individuals with developmental trauma or dysfunctional families cultivate healthy boundaries and relationships. Brooke was introduced to the 12-step program of AA in her early twenties and went on to be a very active member for 14 years before she started to question aspects of the organization. Since leaving AA in early 2018, Brooke has expanded her practice to include supporting clients that are transitioning away from controlling systems and learning to trust themselves again. Brooke shares her nuanced view of her experiences while being fully immersed in the 12 step program of Alcoholics Anonymous. While the group did help her stay sober, Brooke carefully points out some of the serious flaws and potentially damaging lack of professional oversight inherent in the program. She explains how in retrospect, her new perspective from the point of view of a mental health professional provided clarity on her own experience and allowed her to see the potential risks for certain vulnerable populations. Before You Go: Rachel goes into detail about the importance of safeguards in recovery groups of all kinds and reiterates the idea that these groups can often be both beneficial and counter-productive simultaneously. Thanks to our newest Patreon supporter Mick Wingert and Nml! Help support the show at https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination Read more of Rachel's thoughts on AA here: https://filtermag.org/deprogramming-from-aa-when-a-fellowship-resembles-a-cult/
Dec 09, 2020
The Troubled Teen Industry w/ Caroline Lorson
00:52:58
Caroline Lorson is a survivor of the troubled teen industry. At the age of 14, she was forcibly removed from her home in Southern California by two transporters and was flown across the country to a lockdown behavior modification school in Upstate New York. Caroline stayed at this facility for 29 months and was stripped of all of her human rights and subjected to coercive thought reform techniques. It took Caroline years to recover from her experience and she now actively works to reform the troubled teen industry through the Breaking Code Silence organization and her podcast, Inside the Program. Breaking Code Silence is a movement organized by a network of survivors and activists to raise awareness of the problems in the Troubled Teen Industry, and the need for reform. Caroline shares some of the devastating experiences of survivors of the "High Impact" facilities run by World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASP) She goes on to reveal how the dangerous "Troubled Teen" industry remains unregulated because of political corruption and explains how the #breakingcodesilence project aims to put an end to it. Before You Go: Rachel sends a message to survivors of the unregulated "Troubled Teen" Industry. Thanks to our newest Patreon supporters: Nic Bishop, Jenny Shelton and Jennifer Parson. Help Support the show at Patreon.com/indoctrination You can find out more about Caroline's work and further resources here: Inside the Program Podcast: https://anchor.fm/insidetheprogram WWASP Survivors: http://wwaspsurvivors.com/ Breaking Code Silence: https://www.breakingcodesilence.net/ Related Episodes Can Be Found Here: https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/gagliap1v1 https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/all-basic-human-privilege-was-taken-from-us-part-2-w-nick-gaglia "File:Breaking Code Silence.jpg" by TheYesGirl is licensed with CC BY-SA 4.0. To view a copy of this license, visit https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0
Dec 02, 2020
#Breaking Code Silence w/ Caroline Lorson
00:59:50
Caroline Lorson is a survivor of the troubled teen industry. At the age of 14, she was forcibly removed from her home in Southern California by two transporters and was flown across the country to a lockdown behavior modification school in Upstate New York. Caroline stayed at this facility for 29 months and was stripped of all of her human rights and subjected to coercive thought reform techniques. It took Caroline years to recover from her experience and she now actively works to reform the troubled teen industry through the Breaking Code Silence organization and her podcast, Inside the Program. Breaking Code Silence is a movement organized by a network of survivors and activists to raise awareness of the problems in the Troubled Teen Industry, and the need for reform. Caroline shares with Rachel her experience with the behaviour modification school and provides some context for these types of institutions by sharing some of the history behind how they came to prominence. Before You Go: Rachel offers a message to parents who may be considering boarding schools or even behavior modification schools and explains how to ensure the safety of their children Thanks to our newest Patreon supporters: Ellen Mooney Julie Sespico Kicesie Drew Antonio Amaral Braga Theresa Lyn Widmann Help support the show at Patreon.com/indoctrination You can find out more about Caroline's work and further resources here: Inside the Program Podcast: https://anchor.fm/insidetheprogram WWASP Survivors: http://wwaspsurvivors.com/ Breaking Code Silence: https://www.breakingcodesilence.net/
Nov 25, 2020
The "Healing" Industry w/ Erin Aquarian
01:00:05
Erin Aquarian is an artist and musician living in Portland, Oregon. Around the age of 26, she began to explore spirituality, particularly witchcraft, to try to heal herself and make her life better. In 2012 she became involved with a “mystery school” for four years. Though she thought this school was helping her become her true self living a life of meaning and purpose, the school was rife with dysfunctional dynamics which deepened the wounds she showed up with and caused new ones she is now trying to heal from. Currently, Erin is recovering from eight years of being manipulated, gaslit, and misled by the people involved in this community, and others she has met and worked within various spirituality/healing modalities. Erin shares her experience healing from the damage the school inflicted on her and others. She emphasizes the importance of working only with licensed and trained mental health professionals on her recovery journey and exposes the dangers of the unregulated healing industry. Make sure to tune into the intro this week where Rachel addresses the importance of finding safe ways to connect this holiday season. Before You Go: Rachel explains how people can be more vulnerable to recruitment by cultic groups during times of existential crisis, especially after the loss of loved ones. She describes why people in these fragile states must avoid those who claim to have all the answers they seek. Thanks to our newest Patreon supporters: Chantal Dodson and Christina Hendricks Support the show at https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination
Nov 18, 2020
3HO's House of Fallen Cards w/Jules Hartley
01:07:13
After four successful years of working on TV shows and films in New York City, Jules Hartley thought it would be a good idea for her to move to LA. A couple of years into her Hollywood journey, she discovered Kundalini yoga as taught specifically by Yogi Bhajan and the Golden Bridge Yoga Studio in Hollywood. She was instantly hooked and began what turned into a seven and a half year stint as a hardcore and fanatical member of what is now The Rama Yoga Institute, 3HO, and their brand of Sikhism. The yoga and meditation lifestyle given by Yogi Bhajan thus became her entire universe, and within a year or two, she was devoting up to 18 hours a day, to practices that Yogi Bhajan said would ultimately make her life better and get her to "ascend". Jules explains to Rachel why she ultimately ended up leaving Hollywood in 2018, very sick after her experiences, and completely broke as she had given her money over to this group. She details her experiences leaving the intense systemic control of this cultic yoga group and provides insight on her journey to recovery. Before You Go: Rachel shares her perspective on the results of the 2020 U.S Presidential Election and provides insight into why people who have left cults were so triggered by the US president for the last 4 years and how he behaved, and were so troubled by seeing how many militant hate groups and conspiratorial groups like QAnon felt supported by him. Thanks to our newest Patrons: Rachel McDonald, Ilze Dempsey, Martyna Smuga and Tracie Laymon Learn more about Yogi Bhajan and 3HO here: https://youtu.be/_uLU-a5gZOI https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271568190_From_Maharaj_to_Mahan_Tantric_The_Construction_of_Yogi_Bhajan%27s_Kundalini_Yoga
Nov 11, 2020
The Consolidation of Church and State w/ Tammie Willis
00:59:36
Returning guest Tammie Willis grew up in a cultic Christian fundamentalist church which was steeped in methods of control based on fear, coercion, guilt, and shame. Though she left the church more than 30 years ago she is still coming to terms with the effect it has had on her life. She describes to Rachel how seeing what's happening in the United States political system and the rise of Christian nationalism has been eye-opening and triggering in the last few years, Before You Go: Rachel explains how misinterpretation of biblical texts can be incredibly dangerous when merged with the powers of government. She elaborates on how governmental power and influence can be used to promote specific religious views and violate the rights of other people. Thanks to our newest Patreon Supporters: Julia Molen, Lynne, Caitlin Schumacher, Leslie H and Nicole Artanowicz
Nov 04, 2020
No Laughing Matter w/ Mike Fallek
01:05:44
Mike Fallek is a documentarian and podcaster. His documentaries mix entertainment, animation, and gonzo-style journalism to not only find new stories in the world but to talk about them in the least boring way possible. Mike is also the inventor of the word Hashtag Cult- a group that uses the internet's layout to hide in plain sight while indoctrinating members. Mike's goal is to investigate Mgtow and other groups making use of internet forums and comments sections to indoctrinate and groom vulnerable people Mike and Rachel open up their figurative "mailbags" and discuss their respective listeners' most irrational reactions and offensive comments. They break down how to read between the lines of such reactionary commentary and what it says about the commenters themselves. Mike provides his insights into the vulnerability of open-minded people in artistic communities. Before You Go: Rachel further examines how people who consider themselves unconventional thinkers can often make themselves vulnerable to manipulation or coercion within artistic communities. Listen to Mike's last appearance on the show here: https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/morning-pile-crossover-episode Thanks to our newest Patreon supporter Oane! Support the show at www.patreon.com/indoctrination
Oct 28, 2020
The "Truth" Rundown w/Chris Shelton
01:11:53
Chris Shelton is an author, podcaster, and former member of the Church of Scientology's upper echelon, the Sea Organization. Since leaving Scientology in 2013 he has been dedicated to exposing the abuses of destructive cults and high control groups through his YouTube channel, where he also promotes critical thinking and education as the solutions to the cult problem. Chris shares with Rachel the details of his harrowing experience in Scientology's Rehabilitation Project Force(RPF) A program for members of its Sea Organization who have allegedly violated expectations or policies. Chris breaks down a day in the life of a resident of the RPF which he describes as a re-education camp. Rachel helps Chris unpack the idea that our personal perceptions are actually malleable and explains how authoritarian groups can exploit that. Before You Go: Rachel points out why Chris's insights are invaluable not only for people wrapped up in Scientology but for anyone who is struggling with personal responsibility within high control groups. Hear more of Rachel's discussions with Chris on his YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGrPM1Pg2h705KqJ9DRi3HKkWqqZAA6Hs
Oct 21, 2020
Hearing What Wasn't Said w/ Audrey Brewer
01:00:03
Returning guest, Audrey Brewer, is a marketing manager who found herself in a beauty-based MLM until she realized how entangled her life had become. She reveals the difficulties she has struggled with since leaving the group as well as the tremendous growth she has since experienced. Rachel and Audrey go in-depth on the mechanics that can lead to manipulation in MLM groups. Before You Go: Rachel explains the art of "saying something without saying it" the importance of noticing what is not being said and how to read between the lines. Thanks so much to our newest Patreon supporter Trymian Cassidy! Become a supporter at https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination
Oct 14, 2020
Positive Indoctrination w/ Nat Gertler
00:57:18
Author Nat Gertler is the publisher of the About Comics line and a "professional peanuts nerd". He has written over a hundred comic book stories and has twice been nominated for Comic-Con's Eisner Award. He went on to publish The Negro Motorist Green Book - Jim Crow-era travel guides for African Americans, an important historical document previously out of print. Rachel and Nat discuss how representation in influential forms of popular media can create a positive form of indoctrination that can ultimately lead to progressive societal change. Before You Go: Rachel expands on the idea of representation in media and the positive impact it can have in minority communities of all kinds. She compares it to the affirmation people who've left cultic groups feel when their experiences are shared with the majority through mass media. Follow Indoctrination on Social Media: Twitter @_indoctrination IG: @indoctrinationpodcast Facebook: @indoctrinationpodcast
Oct 07, 2020
Thought Stopping Techniques w/Tammie Willis
01:04:20
Tammie Willis grew up in a Christian fundamentalist church in Virginia that she now knows was a cult by the ways in which it abused and controlled its members. She explains how her church, school, and family life were all steeped in methods of control based on fear, abuse, dependency, coercion, and obedience at all costs. Tammie describes how although she's been away from fundamentalism for 30 years, she's still coming to terms with how her life has been affected. She goes on to explain how seeing what is happening in the United States political system and the rise of Christian nationalism has been eye-opening and triggering for her. Before you go: Rachel discusses religious trauma and spiritual abuse, which despite being frighteningly commonplace are still relatively unknown to the public. She describes ways in which these abuses can manifest themselves throughout the lives of those who are victimized by them. Thanks so much to our newest Patrons; Ellie, Lindsey Millen, Jason M, Elizabeth Long, Karen Unterreiner, Anne, and Jake Phillips! We appreciate your support!
Sep 30, 2020
Recognizing The Patterns w/ Mark Vicente
00:59:32
Mark Vicente is an author, speaker, and award-winning Writer/Director/Producer most well-known for directing the sleeper documentary hit "What The Bleep Do We Know?!" Being born in apartheid-era South Africa, and witnessing a number of atrocities, Mark found himself propelled to question certain fundamental assumptions at a very young age. He spent a good part of the late 80's and early 90s shooting anti-apartheid films before going to Hollywood. He has traveled two parallel paths in his life so far. One working his way up the ranks of the camera department in the film industry, eventually becoming a film Director... and the other an unquenchable thirst for self-knowledge. This quest led him through many different religions and self-help organizations. It all came crashing down in 2017 when Mark found out that the company he was working with, and the mentor that led it, was hiding illegal and deeply immoral activities. Before he could even begin to heal, he and a few other brave souls had to become whistleblowers to expose what they were discovering. The journey of taking down the NXIVM organization and its key figures are captured in the 9 part HBO Documentary Series "THE VOW" currently on the air. In this second part of their conversation, Mark describes how recognizing the patterns in Raniere's manipulations helped him unravel his disturbing web of deception. Before You Go: Rachel describes how manipulators benefit from their victims' natural tendency to resist information that contradicts their beliefs. She suggests ways that loved ones can help victims without being seen as unsupportive.
Sep 23, 2020
Covert Violence w/ Mark Vicente
01:07:24
Mark Vicente is an author, speaker, and award-winning Writer/Director/Producer most well-known for directing the sleeper documentary hit "What The Bleep Do We Know?!" Being born in apartheid-era South Africa, and witnessing a number of atrocities, Mark found himself propelled to question certain fundamental assumptions at a very young age. He spent a good part of the late 80's and early 90s shooting anti-apartheid films before going to Hollywood. He has traveled two parallel paths in his life so far. One working his way up the ranks of the camera department in the film industry, eventually becoming a film Director... and the other an unquenchable thirst for self-knowledge. This quest led him through many different religions and self-help organizations. It all came crashing down in 2017 when Mark found out that the company he was working with, and the mentor that led it, was hiding illegal and deeply immoral activities. Before he could even begin to heal, he and a few other brave souls had to become whistleblowers to expose what they were discovering. The journey of taking down the NXIVM organization and its key figures are captured in the 9 part HBO Documentary Series "THE VOW" currently on the air. Rachel and Mark discuss the difficulties of continuing his healing process while simultaneously "fighting the war" against NXIVM. Before you go: Rachel examines the idea of forced confessionals and the peer pressure used in cultic group settings that manipulative leaders use to extract deeply personal feelings in order to control followers.
Sep 16, 2020
Save The Children? The Cultic Ideas of QAnon
00:31:06
In this week's episode, Rachel gives her unique perspective on QAnon, a far-right conspiracy theory whose dangerous and cult-like ideas are spreading at an alarming rate. She provides insights on what followers find appealing about the group and why it is so difficult for their loved ones to reason with them. To hear more of Rachel's insights on the group, listen to her recent interview on NPR's Marketplace: https://www.scpr.org/programs/marketplace-tech-report/2020/09/01/81807/ Thanks to our newest Patreon supporters Shelia M. King & Sheridan Humphreys! Have you bought your tickets yet for the "Uniting The Continents: Support For The Pacific Rim'' online conference? It's not too late to buy tickets the event starts this Friday! (September 11 &12, 2020) It's an ONLINE EVENT for Families, Former Members, and Friends Affected by CULTIC Groups and Relationships. The conference will have fourteen+ 50 minute sessions AND a 3 HOUR FORMER MEMBER workshop. Talks are available for 30 days after the event!! You don't want to miss this. Buy tickets from Cult Mediation here: https://pacificrimeventcultmediation.lpages.co/usa/ Photo credit: "QAnon - Q Conspiracy - Deep State Trump" by mikemacmarketing is licensed under CC BY 2.0 "QAnon in red shirt" by marcn is licensed under CC BY 2.0 "Qanon nutter splinter group" by marcn is licensed under CC BY 2.0
Sep 09, 2020
Coming Out, Anew w/Todd Brown
00:49:09
Todd Brown continues telling his story of recovery as an ex-member of the independent sect of Sufism called Sufi Dayemi Tariqat. He describes the abuse he endured from the guru who continually belittled Todd for not living up to binary gender norms. Todd speaks openly about how he struggled with his homosexuality within the group and explains what led him to finally leave the community just a few months ago. Before You Go: Rachel examines how the hierarchical nature of controlling relationships leads to victims internalizing blame and unjustly taking responsibility for the negative actions of those in power. Thanks to our newest Patreon supporter Mary B. Stewart! Check out Rachel on NPR's Marketplace discussing Qanon this week: https://www.scpr.org/programs/marketplace-tech-report/?fbclid=IwAR2FO-Im4k4WcqDb2Q9bHl_wwPg1aHcjXSnbKVQJ7BCXMAgTreUJSOGKL0I
Sep 02, 2020
Decision Deception w/ Todd Brown
01:01:29
Todd Brown is an ex-member of an independent sect of Sufism called Sufi Dayemi Tariqat. He reclaimed his identity as a gay man after 23 years with the group. He is currently working towards his PhD and hopes to help people get out of coercive groups. Todd describes the life experiences and vulnerability that lead him to joining this manipulative and controlling group in their Southern Illinois center and details the difficulties inherent in his early healing process. Before You Go: Rachel expands on the manipulative tactic of the false dilemma and describes how her concept of decision deception seduces victims into a false sense of autonomy. Thanks to our wonderful new Patreon supporter Jolie Holland! Share your story for our upcoming call-in show by leaving a message for Rachel at: 1(818)907-0036
Aug 26, 2020
Indoctrination with Rachel Bernstein, LMFT (TRAILER)
00:03:17
Welcome to IndoctriNation: A weekly podcast covering cults, manipulators, and protecting yourself from systems of control. I’m Rachel Bernstein, LMFT. I’ve been working with victims of cults and emotional abusers for over 30 years. Given the right set of circumstances, it’s all too easy for anyone to fall prey to sociopaths and manipulators. I wanted to start a show that gives survivors a chance to tell their stories and for experts to teach us what they know. My goal for IndoctriNation is to empower our listeners to protect themselves and those they love from predators, toxic personalities, and destructive organizations. You can help support the show and receive bonus content and cool IndoctriNation merchandise by subscribing to our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination
Aug 19, 2020
Undoing The Process w/ Jonathan DePeyer
01:09:17
Jonathan DePeyer is a professional counselor who grew up in an organization called The Process Church of The Final Judgment later known as The Foundation, a religious group established in the United Kingdom in 1966 that some scholars of religion have classified as a form of Satanism. His parents' marriage was arranged by the group's leaders in order to receive passports and citizenship to expand the group in the U.S. Jonathan was isolated from his family and left in the custody of abusive and neglectful caretakers from the group. Rachel and Jonathan discuss how children growing up in abusive religious groups are affected and how difficult it can be to overcome the damage done. Before You Go: Rachel further analyzes how devastating of an impact can be made on children who face insecurity at an early age. She explains how this can lead to ongoing and debilitating anxieties throughout adulthood. Thanks to our sponsor Neon Hum Media and our newest Patreon supporter Anne of the Beeves
Aug 19, 2020
Thought Adjusters w/ Maria Peregolise
01:05:33
Author and Educator Maria Peregolise grew up as the daughter of a "spiritual prophet". A follower of The Urantia Book, her father used the theology of that religious text to justify his narcissistic abuse. Maria's father claimed to have channeled the voice of Jesus and acted as God's Prophet in order to exercise control over her. Rachel and Maria discuss the signs and symptoms of being raised in a cult or narcissistic environment, as well as the fantastical and outlandish content of the controversial book and the effects it has on its followers. You can find more information about Maria's upcoming book "Culted Child" at her website https://cultedchild.com/ which archives the resources used in her book. Before You Go: Rachel discusses the sensationalistic terms and damaging language used in The Urantria Book and what's left when the smoke and mirrors of these manipulative teachings clear. Thank you to our newest Patron Hollie Hire and to Ken Bernstein, a Patron for a few months now and counting!
Aug 12, 2020
Campus Coercion w/ Eric Navas
00:47:50
Eric Navas is a graduate of Cal State Dominguez Hills. It is there where he got involved with the group University Bible Fellowship, an organization that started in South Korea in 1961 by Samuel Chang-Woo Lee and Sarah Barry. It was originally associated with the Presbyterian Church but when they moved to the U S in the mid-seventies, they broke off from the Presbyterian church and became involved with the human shepherding movement. Eric speaks about his 3 year experience in the group before realizing the physical, spiritual and financial abuses of the group. UBF has 91 chapters throughout US college campuses under the guise of many different front groups. Eric and Rachel discuss the groups' student evangelism and what makes college students so vulnerable to indoctrination. Eric gives tips on how to ensure college groups such as UBF are legitimate campus organizations and talks about his motivation to start his YouTube channel and UBF informational website ubinformed. Before you Go: Rachel focuses in on why predatory groups such as UBF target college students and shares her own personal experience as a student encountering the tactics of campus centered recruitment. Thanks to our new Patreon supporters: Jen,Becky Weaver,Tammie Willis and Cathryn Mazer Eric's website and YouTube Channel can be found here: https://www.ubinformed.com https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPAApyMdRKHNUjIDkQXOpEA You can find the book on UBF by Brian Karcher that Eric mentions here: https://www.amazon.com/Identity-Snatchers-Exposing-Korean-Campus-ebook/dp/B014YT4ULC/ref=pd_cart_vw_crc_2_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B014YT4ULC&pd_rd_r=5a9784f6-5250-4220-8f06-538b112afd6e&pd_rd_w=nekAQ&pd_rd_wg=la4YG&pf_rd_p=7b1a11cb-b9d6-4645-a52e-34c86ca37029&pf_rd_r=Q7SHXTCRGB5M8PV724JB&psc=1&refRID=Q7SHXTCRGB5M8PV724JB
Aug 05, 2020
Investing in Yourself with Audrey Brewer, former multi-level marketer - S5E15pt2
00:57:36
Audrey Brewer lives in the Carolinas and is a resource for homeless women and girls. This week she continues telling her story about working in multi level marketing, how she chose to leave, and the loss, anger and fear she was left with. Audrey shares the ways that she taught her team to be successful salespeople through a process called "duplication". The idea is to foster several other apprentices to support the company the way that you already do. This involved providing scripts for online selling events and sharing formulaic tips on how to market for Facebook and other social media. Stay tuned, Before You Go: What is the turning point for people who realize they are being manipulated? What keeps them from leaving the group, or abuser, even if they can easily tell it is working against their best personal interest? Be sure to join us on patreon.com/IndoctriNation to show your support for public education of controlling groups. Thank you! Shout out to our newest Patron, Lenora DeRoy Paul!
Jul 22, 2020
Success, At Any Cost w/ Audrey Brewer, former multi-level marketer - S5E15pt1
01:05:36
Audrey was formerly a high-ranking member of a multi-level marketing scheme. She was drawn to the opportunity to start paying off her student debts. Because of personal safety concerns, we are keeping some details anonymous. However, many pyramid schemes have successfully marketed themselves as notable brands. It was a group that fostered positivity by pushing each team of hungry entrepreneurs like herself to buy their success in the group through recruitments and sales. Flexing cruises, cars, and conventions on social media was a way to advertise the lifestyle of working for the brand, in order to sell the job. She began to realize that most of her relationships and conversations had the goal of selling more products-- and that it was time to end this part of her business career. Stay tuned, Before You Go: An impromptu, personal intervention occurs when Rachel discovers that a friend's wife is deeply entangled with an MLM scheme.
Jul 15, 2020
Denying my Dissociation w/ Dr. Michelle Haslam, ex-New Kadampa Tradition - S5E14pt2
00:49:57
Dr. Michelle Haslam offers her personal experience with a self-described 'modern Buddhist' group called The New Kadampa Tradition. She has produced lots of educational materials that explain the process of indoctrination within Buddhist cultic groups. She defines 'dissociation' and explains it within the context of her time at Nagarjuna Kadampa Meditation Centre in Northamptonshire, England. Dr. Haslam tells us about some of the new rituals and traditions developed by the group in order for it to operate. Stay tuned, Before You Go: The internal struggle of speaking up when a loved one is in a cultic group- with the risk of driving them away, or putting yourself at risk. Rachel reminds people who may be trying to help someone in an abusive situation that the person may be pushing you away to protect themselves.
Jul 08, 2020
Diagnosing My Own Thoughts w/ Dr. Michelle Haslam, ex-New Kadampa Tradition - S5E14pt1
00:56:56
Dr. Michelle Haslam is a clinical psychologist who became involved with The New Kadampa Tradition in 2016 while living in the Nagarjuna Kadampa Meditation Centre in Northamptonshire, England. Michelle experienced spiritual abuse within the group and despite her training as a psychologist, came to believe that she should be destroying her ego, instead of practicing self-care and self-compassion. Now she produces materials that explain the process of indoctrination within Buddhist cultic groups. Michelle has since been a target of harassment via her workplace and character assassination from senior members of the group. Stay tuned, Before You Go: Reserving information for those who pay can be like holding someone spiritually hostage. Find out how and why this can be a red flag for a manipulative group setting.
Jul 01, 2020
Paving the Way Forward w/ Carey and Chris Peck - S5E13pt2
00:56:16
Rachel finishes part two of a conversation with the Peck family. Carey and Chris Peck continue to talk about social justice and intervention, the influence of the media on social issues, and the legacy of their Academy Award-winning forefather Gregory Peck. Chris Peck is currently a teacher of youth language arts. He talks about how modern history has been rewritten into an "us" vs. "them" narrative that erases non-white identities. Along with his father Carey Peck, they brainstorm how to foster new perspectives and strengths within communities. "People will always respond to people", says Carey, "and being united in action is critical." He stresses the importance of taking the first step together as a community to organize change. The clip at the very end of the show is taken from Gregory Peck's Academy Award acceptance speech for his performance as Atticus Finch in "To Kill A Mockingbird". Be sure to hear it. Stay Tuned, Before You Go: Rachel talks about the similarities of racist systematic supremacy and the self-righteous dogma of a cultic group. If you'd like to check out Chris' Podcast, you can find it here https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/the-traveling-teacher-christopher-peck-QEF4TOC26WJ/
Jun 24, 2020
An Impeccable Legacy w/ Carey Peck and Chris Peck, social justice activists and educators - S5E13pt1
00:59:13
Two generations of social activists discuss the legacy of Gregory Peck, famously known for many films including his role as Atticus Finch in To Kill A Mockingbird. His son Carey and grandson Chris take us behind the scenes and talk about what inspired Gregory to take on Harper Lee's pivotal character, as well as powerful and controversial roles in other classic films dealing with antisemitism and also addressing the pain of war. Both Carey and Chris discuss their important work, as well. They are passionate about being a resource to disempowered communities and are committed to facilitating ways for people to make changes in their lives. Here are some of the great books Chris recommended in today's episode... White Fragility: https://g.co/kgs/SfUE5u Between the World and Me: https://g.co/kgs/BYVHJx How to be an Anti-Racist: https://g.co/kgs/Q3me5j The New Jim Crow: https://g.co/kgs/sQ7zHx
Jun 17, 2020
A Passion for Saving People w/ Lucas Catton, ex-President of Narconon - S5E11pt2
00:58:10
Scientology famously takes its members' best talents and passions and tries to make the most of them. For Lucas Catton, that came in the form of his recruitment as a program manager-- and his presidency of Scientology's front group rehabilitation facility. Narconon, located at the old Chilocco reservation in Oklahoma, is not just an isolated facility. The program is promoted in schools across the country as a teen rehabilitation program. Many were unaware that several of Narconon's credentials were fabricated, including Lucas. He tells us what led him to devote himself to this program, and walks us through his transformative experience. Lucas's latest passion project is the development of the Opioid Independence Program through Advanced Recovery Resources: http://advancedrecoveryresources.com/opioid-independence/ and his second book, "Reconnection", is available now: https://www.amazon.com/Reconnection-memoir-Lucas-Catton/dp/0578633108 Before You Go: Rachel explains the power of showing others that you value them. Empowerment can also be used to trick people into sabotaging themselves.
May 27, 2020
The 'Gateway Group' w/ Lucas Catton ex-Narconon President - S5E11pt1
00:56:48
Lucas Catton is a former Scientologist who got recruited through their Narconon Rehabilitation Program at a place formerly known as Chilocco in Oklahoma. Lucas was appointed President of that Narconon program, through which he met some of Scientology's heavy hitters including the leader David Miscavige. He had no connections to Scientology before he was sent to their facility which incorporated Scientology philosophy as the basis of their drug treatment techniques. Check out his book, Reconnection, about rebuilding his life after disconnecting Scientology: amazon.com/Reconnection-memoir-Lucas-Catton-ebook/dp/B083N76KR5 Stay tuned, Before You Go: The story of a girl who was mistakenly treated for learning disabilities and a lesson in diagnosing an issue before fully understanding the symptoms. Rachel also addresses some of the feedback she received from last week's episode on conspiracy theories.
May 20, 2020
Down the Rabbit Hole: Conspiracy Theories w/ Kelly Weill, Daily Beast reporter - S5E10
00:52:19
Kelly Weill is a reporter at The Daily Beast where she covers disinformation, the far right, and internet culture. She is currently at work on a book about the Flat Earth movement, forthcoming from Algonquin Books. Conspiratorial health movements and Coronavirus misinformation can contain seemingly sound arguments, because they ground themselves in real experiences. Conspiracy theories use sexism and social status to monger fear into hateful internet mobs-- as seen with QAnon and Gamergate which Kelly has covered. She reports that most conspiracy pages have lured many into an extreme belief through more moderate subjects. Some flat-earthers have been referencing anti-semitic materials or scapegoating people of color without factual correlation. Check out Kelly's article about Flat Earth: https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-the-flat-earth-conference-where-the-worlds-oldest-conspiracy-theory-is-hot-again Stay tuned, Before You Go: Rachel defines 'conspiracy theories' and how they rely on providing the answer to an unknown question or enemy. She warns of some to watch out for. Read about a successful miracle cure whose solution contained bleach -- covered by Kelly Weill: https://www.thedailybeast.com/alan-keyes-is-helping-sell-a-toxic-bleach-cure-miracle-mineral-solution-to-the-vulnerable-and-desperate
May 13, 2020
It's A Trap! w/ Roisin Kearney, Director of "Run" - S5E9pt2
01:08:42
In part 2 of our interview with Irish filmmaker Roisin Kearney, we cover a lot of ground and she also talks about how shocked she was to discover such high levels of both women AND men experiencing domestic violence in the US - 1 in 7 men, and 1 in 4 women. Watch the trailer for "Run" here: https://documentfilms.com/our-work/run Its next screening will be at The Flying Broom International Film Festival [flyingbroom.org] in association with @DublinFeministFilmFestival online between May 7-14. It is nearly impossible to determine the amount of psychological damage this causes to both men and women. Roisin truly hopes that her film "Run" evokes an awakening for those who can then recognize mental manipulation within their own families and communities. The protagonist is a well-educated woman whose information was micromanaged by her controlling partner, whom she trusted. It can happen to anyone. Roisin also shows that if you want to intervene or offer support, it's best for the conversation to start with compassion rather than blame. Stay tuned, Before You Go: Rachel talks about Parental Alienation syndrome, how it gets set up by a manipulative and vindictive parent against the other parent and how children get caught up in its web. Rachel also wrote a popular children's book called "Now I Know: Kids Talking to Kids About Divorce", told from the perspective of young people who have experienced divorce and how they express to their parents about not wanting to be caught in the middle: https://www.amazon.com/now-i-know-rachel-bernstein/dp/1620867893/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=utf8&qid=1450373350&sr=1-4&keywords=rachel+bernstein
May 06, 2020
We Have To See It To Believe It? w/ Roisin Kearney, Director of "Run" - S5E9pt1
00:57:51
Roisin Kearney is an Irish filmmaker from Dublin, Ireland whose most recent film sheds light on the issue of domestic violence. "Run", co-directed and written by Carolyn Grace Cassidy, explores the subtleties to being a victim of a controlling person. Her film highlights the signs of coercive control & emotional abuse after Ireland has taken a huge step and recognized these actions as criminal. Roisin gives us vivid verbal previews of her characters and discusses the scenarios that have served as the archetype. She shares her influences for bringing this project to life. One of these reasons is that 1 in 5 women in Ireland - and 1 in 4 women in the United States - is a victim of domestic abuse. View the trailer for Roisin Kearney's short film, "Run": https://documentfilms.com/our-work/run Its next screening will be at The Flying Broom International Film Festival [flyingbroom.org] in association with @DublinFeministFilmFestival online between May 7-14. You can find the latest statistics and resources here from NCADV: https://ncadv.org/statistics Stay tuned, Before You Go: Why is it so difficult to monitor the issue of domestic violence? Rachel shares how we can look out for those who may be in need of someone to listen.
Apr 29, 2020
A Secret & Sacred Reunion w/ Sarabeth Kapusta and Cyndy Rudd - S5E4pt3
01:02:55
When Sarabeth felt ready to leave her Bible-based cult, one of the first things she wanted to do was talk to her mom, Cyndy. Today we finish the three-part episode by reminiscing on their first secret reunion, and their long journey of rebuilding their connection. Sarabeth's abusive pastor painted all types of female independence as a sin. Cyndy was demonized for choosing to get a divorce. The restrictions put on her made it even more important for Sarabeth to reach out to her mother. The two arranged to meet in ultimate rebellion at a Women's Conference and began their journey of reconnection. It was several more years before Sarabeth finally left the cult a year ago. She attributes her mind for critical thinking to her love of literature, which Cyndy found much pride in fostering with her homeschooled daughters. One is still inside the cult. Stay tuned, Before You Go: Some groups are giving COVID-19 more credit than it is due -- claiming that it's a punishment sent by God or even actively targeting people who 'deserve' it. Rachel breaks down the purpose and effect of placing blame on unfounded sources of tragedy.
Apr 22, 2020
Ashamed of Being a Woman w/ Sarabeth Kapusta, survivor - S5E4pt2
01:02:05
Earlier in the season, Rachel spoke with Cyndy Rudd: a mother who fought to free her daughter from not one, but two cultic situations. This week we hear the inside story from her daughter, Sarabeth. Sarabeth grew up in a cult for 25 years before falling into another group masquerading as a Baptist church. In both groups, members were not allowed to question authority because that would be challenging God's word. Her faith in scripture was used to convince her to move in with several other young women and live above the pastor's garage. Sarabeth also talks about a phenomenon she has experienced in both groups idealizing submissive women: the requirement to grow up and support the men by being a stay-at-home daughter. With the mind of an attorney and educator, she was able, in retrospect, to decode her manipulator and realize that both cults were using scripture out of context to create fear and control. Stay tuned, Before You Go: How cult leaders and narcissists warp your intentions and turn your true character and innocent nature into something seen as sinister. Rachel opens up about one of her own experiences. Next week mother and daughter sit down together to have a conversation they've never had before. Listen to Cyndy's story, "No Match for a Mother's Love": https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/cyndy
Apr 15, 2020
The Empathetic Intervention w/ Joe Szimhart - S5E8
01:04:03
Joe Szimhart found his path to cultic studies through his art community in Santa Fe and the Agni Yoga Society. Here he met Margaret Singer of the anti-cult movement as well as the notorious mystic theosophist Madame Blavatsky. Helena (Madame) Blavatsky was known for openly plagiarizing existing gnostic theories as the doctrine for the Church Universal Triumphant cultic group. Joe helps us cite her sources and talks about the developing study of extreme belief groups over the past forty years. As someone who has been involved in many successful interventions, he encourages those seeking to intervene to try and understand why the person chose to join this group specifically. Often the situation has less to do with the actual belief system, and more to do with what the group has to offer its members. Rachel and Joe also discuss the wave of mysticism and astrology in Millenials and his most recent research as a cult interventionist and consultant. You can order Joe Szimhart's latest book, "Santa Fe, Bill Tate, and Me" out on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Santa-Fe-Bill-Tate-interventionist/dp/1676003886 Stay tuned, Before You Go: The show ends with Rachel's thoughts about fearing the end of the world. Groups can use fear from apocalyptic prophecies to hold its members hostage.
Apr 07, 2020
The Worst Insult to Actual Religion w/ Jamie DeWolf - S5E6pt2
01:15:32
CW: violence & terrorism Artist & activist Jamie DeWolf returns for part two of his interview to discuss how cult mechanics have been used to manipulate spirituality across history. Bouncing off of Rachel with his knowledge of cultic groups, Jamie invites us to contemplate the origins and purpose of malignant intolerance toward outsiders. The adrenaline released when fighting a common ‘enemy’ is an effective ingredient in bonding a congregation. Hateful language generated for outsiders keeps the people inside from leaving their places as pawns. Jamie DeWolf shares the twisted history of Scientology’s formation— and predictions of its decline in the future. He opens up about how his relationship to L Ron Hubbard has shaped him as a person and performer. Before You Go: Why are narcissists usually good storytellers? It benefits them to control the narrative and create a conflict for their followers to rally against.
Mar 09, 2020
Catnip for Cult Leaders, w/ Jamie DeWolf - S5E6pt1
00:57:39
Jamie DeWolf, performer and activist, updates us on his most recent projects and discusses how pride plays a role in being susceptible to a cult. When he was last on the show he opened up about his great-grandfather L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzohjqHlJAY&t=2s This week with Rachel he talks more broadly about cult leaders and how they are so successful. One of these tactics is the creation of a vague common enemy. Polarizing the population creates a power dynamic that empowers faithful members into manipulating each other. Stay tuned, Before You Go: Rachel explains the title, "Catnip for Cult Leaders", and the addiction that narcissists have to the people they are able to pull into their manipulative vortex.
Mar 05, 2020
Learning to Feel Again w/ Katharina Meredith, ex-Licthoase - S5E5pt3
00:43:45
Katharina Meredith grew up quickly from the age of 10-20 in a New Age cult. After leaving, marrying and becoming pregnant, she experienced debilitating post-partum depression. Katharina knew she needed to address her very understandable Post Traumatic Stress, and was able to lessen her intrusive thoughts by validating her own emotions and allowing herself to feel. The intense pressure she had learned to put on herself was something she had to leave behind in order to be the kind of parent she wanted to be. Stay tuned, Before You Go: How does a person address and answer the question about what they are here for after having been told what their purpose is by others for most of their lives?
Feb 24, 2020
My Conscience on Survival Mode w/ Katharina Meredith, ex-Lichtoase - S5E5pt2
01:02:23
CW: Abuse against minors Katharina Meredith grew up in a New Age cult from age 10 years old until 20. This week in the second part of her episode, she moves forward into what she experienced as a teen. Girls in the group were partnered with adults and taught to hide any disgust or dislike that they felt. Every day was a battle with normal emotional responses because, with the school of thought, it was a ‘weakness’ they needed to put aside to be like gods. She protected herself by always operating on “I’m fine.” Pushing away any emotions or trauma was how she survived. When Katharina wanted to have children, she went to therapy and counseling to help her accept and transform her reactions to be more productive. She is now a PhD student focusing on subjects like Community Psychology and Extremism. Katharina Meredith helped to further develop and eventually spearhead the non-profit "Stronger After" which was started by Rachel Bernstein, Lee Marsh, and Frances Peters: https://www.stronger-after.org/ Stay tuned, Before You Go: Survivors sometimes defensively retreat when they finally begin to feel comfortable and vulnerable again. Years of daily stress or repressing emotions to survive can have continuous physiological effects even long after leaving an abusive relationship.
Feb 17, 2020
The Experiment w/ Katharina Meredith ex-Lichtoase (Light Oasis) cult - S5E5pt1
00:56:17
CW: Abuse against children Katharina Meredith is a PhD student studying subjects like Community Psychology and Extremism after spending her childhood in a cult called Lichtoase. The New Age beliefs of Lichotase (translated to Light Oasis) were modeled off of Ramtha's school and adapted into workshops across Germany and Austria. Eventually, the group formed communes where children were raised separately from their parents by caretakers who never cared for children themselves. Katharina's parents joined the cult when she was 10 years old. After leaving the cult 17 years ago, she has helped to further develop and eventually spearhead the non-profit Stronger After which was started by Rachel Bernstein, Lee Marsh, and Frances Peters. Learn more on about this program at: Stronger-After.org Stay tuned, Before You Go: Peer pressure. Where is the social tension really coming from?
Feb 09, 2020
No Match For A Mother's Love w/ Cyndy Rudd - S5E4pt1
01:07:28
Today’s guest is Cyndy Rudd. She works as a receptionist and says she is best described as an “ordinary person with an extraordinary story”. Eleven years ago she found herself in a crisis...needing to get herself and her family away from a severely abusive, controlling church. Cyndy's children were convinced to stay with the pastor to avoid college and eventually straying away from the church. Though he was skillful in lies and manipulations the pastor came to learn that he was no match for a mother's love! Please listen and be inspired by a mother who was willing to break her own heart to free herself and her children. Hear the inside story from her daughter, Sarabeth, in part 2: https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/sarabeth Stay tuned, Before You Go: You may not always have the option to look around you and find strength, but you have to keep up persistent hope. Rachel recognizes Cyndy and all who have tried to save their children or loved ones from destructive people despite being made into the villain.
Feb 02, 2020
Never Defend, Always Attack w/ Sands Hall - S5E1pt2
01:04:49
Continuing her conversation, Sands Hall gives her perspective on Scientology's defense mechanism: "never defend, always attack". Hall is a playwright and the author of "Reclaiming my Decade Lost in Scientology". Hear what brought Sands into Scientology in the first part: https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/sands-hall Creating a hive-mind supremacy is how authoritarian groups exert their power and control. Without critically thinking about biases when they're offered as a simple explanation, people can adopt really ugly attitudes towards 'outsiders'. When a new idea challenges a psychologically manipulated world view, intentionally or unintentionally, there are many roadblocks to reaching a common ground. If someone believes deeply in the 'ends', they could find themselves justifying the 'means'-- even if those actions are not normally within one's character. Sands shares how the Scientology Doubt Formula prevented her from questioning the doctrine of the group. She also describes the unique physiological reflex she experienced as a Scientologist seeking outside information for the first time. Stay tuned, Before You Go: Rachel shares the origins of the terms "black PR" and Scientology's "dead agents". She also opens up about the harassment she has faced along with so many others. You can find Sands Hall's book here: https://www.amazon.com/Flunk-Start-Reclaiming-Decade-Scientology-ebook/dp/B071P44P9R
Jan 29, 2020
Let God Decide the Demons - Hannah Watkins, ex-Move of God - S5E3pt2
01:01:57
Hannah Watkins continues her story of how she gradually created distance from a life written for her by a rigid interpretation of scripture. She spent her first 18 years in a popular Baptist sect known as 'the Move' of God. The group, led by Sam Fife, became popular in the late ’60s when Sam evangelized himself as a prophet. Luckily, Hannah’s experience was not physically invasive, but all the same damaging to her emotionally. After physically leaving the group, there were still several years spent shaking off a residue of spiritual guilt. In the time since Hannah has left, she has learned to value the sense of family and community she was raised in while also seeing how dangerous extreme adherence can be. She has become an advocate against restrictive religious beliefs and for awareness of their effects, especially on young women. Stay tuned, Before You Go: How do you find the positive side of being ostracized for something beyond your control? When you're singled out because of someone else's bias, it can seem that you've lost everything. Rachel reminds listeners that it's actually the other way around! You can find out more about the exorcisms used by Sam Fife and The Move in this Investigation Discovery episode: https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/tv-shows/people-magazine-investigates-cults/full-episodes/the-movement-of-god Patreon subscribers have access to more written accounts collected from a forum of survivors of The Move.
Jan 18, 2020
Lost in 'the Move' w/ Hannah Watkins - S5E3pt1
00:57:58
Hannah Watkins was born into ‘the Move’ of God and spent her first 18 years in the organization. Led by Sam Fife, the group separated itself as a branch of the Baptist Church in the late 60’s. Luckily, Hannah’s experience was not physically invasive, but all the same, damaging to her emotionally with extreme doses of spiritual guilt. Most members were drawn in by the group’s return to a simple homesteading lifestyle where they could focus on reaching ‘holiness’. All members, male and female, were encouraged to speak freely about their sins and how they feel. However, when the women in her commune came together to preserve a tradition they valued they were rebuked for having a voice. In the time since Hannah has left, she has learned to value the sense of family and community she was raised in while also seeing how dangerous extreme adherence can be. She has moved away from these restrictive religious beliefs and advocates awareness of their effects, especially for young girls. Stay tuned, Before You Go: Rachel talks about how misogyny and victim-blaming contribute to one another-- and solutions for creating an environment where abuse can be addressed productively.
Jan 12, 2020
Connection and Compassion w/ Rabbi Ed Feinstein - S5E2
01:10:39
Senior Rabbi Ed Feinstein of Valley Beth Shalom in Encino, California serves on the faculty of the Ziegler Rabbinical School of the American Jewish University. This week he sits down to talk with Rachel about what it means to be a modern spiritual leader. There are many positive sides to religion and spiritual organizations. Ethics and the need for a place to belong are a part of every human experience. Cults and destructive groups take advantage of a person's emotional needs and psyche rather than cultivating them. They also discuss the violence that continues to rise as cultural borders of the world sphere meet. Check out his book, "The Chutzpah Imperative: Empowering Today's Jews for a Life that Matters": https://www.amazon.com/Chutzpah-Imperative-Empowering-Todays-Matters-dp-1683363523/dp/1683363523/ref=mt_paperback?_encoding=UTF8&me=&qid= Stay tuned, Before You Go: Scientific studies show that humans are born with only two fears. Find out what they are and how they can transform throughout your life. IndoctriNation is starting its fifth season and the New Year by announcing a call-in episode! This show will focus on beginning a new chapter in your life. What motivated you to leave a damaging situation and what has helped you as you follow a new path? You can also ask Rachel any questions you may have that might help you along your journey. Call and leave Rachel a voicemail, at: 1-(818)-907-0036 or send an email at: indoctrinationshow@gmail.com
Jan 03, 2020
Taking Back Time w/ Sands Hall, ex-Scientologist - S5E1
00:59:21
Today we begin a new year! For many, this is a much needed fresh start. Sands Hall, playwright and author of "Reclaiming my Decade Lost in Scientology" talks about how to take back what can seem like lost years. A common phrase among many survivors of abusive organizations is "I can't believe how many years I did that". Most people don't believe that they could slowly be indoctrinated to believe in things that are contradictory to their character. When a person leaves a manipulative group, they have to learn to trust themselves and face their learned fears, especially when speaking out against an abuser. Sands's fears came true, but she and her story stood strong-- when Scientology attempted to remove her book from Amazon. You can find her book on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Flunk-Start-Reclaiming-Decade-Scientology-ebook/dp/B071P44P9R Stay tuned, Before You Go: People often forget how their minds can be changed; little by little. Rachel explains Sands Hall's phrase "screwing on the viewfinder", used to describe the way one's worldview can be altered in microscopic increments. IndoctriNation is starting its fifth season and the New Year by announcing another call-in episode! This show will focus on beginning a new chapter in your life. What motivated you to leave a damaging situation and what has helped you as you follow a new path? You can also ask Rachel any questions you may have that might help you along your journey. Call and leave Rachel a voicemail, at: 1-(818)-907-0036 or send an email at: indoctrinationshow@gmail.com
Dec 29, 2019
The Reason for the Season w/ Aziza Hasan, Muslim-Jewish coalition - S4E16
01:04:16
How do you give the gift of peace? Aziza Hasan is the Executive Director of a program called NewGround, a Muslim-Jewish partnership for change. Rachel and Aziza converse about reaching beyond tolerance to find mutual empathy and understanding. Aziza has served on President Obama's Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships and was recognized as a leader by the Executive Service Corps. She is an experienced mediator and talented at transforming interfaith conflicts on a personal level. Imagine a place where Jews and Muslims sleep and pray side by side, are invited to speak their truth, and form connections where there once was a phobia. Those who have taken part in NewGround programs leave with a diversified sense of community and knowledge that can bring peace to their neighborhood. Watch the "Two Faiths One Prayer" video, a prayer experience that arose from the program. This was a joint project where both groups prayed together in public spaces all across Los Angeles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWP1nvy5C_U Stay tuned, Before You Go: How do we learn to forgive each other after conflict and fear? Rachel shares a story of a xenophobic attack where she witnessed bystanders stand together and become allies. IndoctriNation is ending its fourth season and starting the New Year by announcing another call-in episode! This show will focus on beginning a new chapter in your life. What motivated you to leave a damaging situation and what has helped you as you follow a new path? You can also ask Rachel any questions you may have that might help you along your journey. Call and leave Rachel a voicemail, at: 1-(818)-907-0036 or send an email at: indoctrinationshow@gmail.com
Dec 22, 2019
Sorry, Not Sorry. w/ Sarah Landry, ex-Nithyananda (Kailaasa) - S4E15
00:56:13
Sarah Landry recently appeared on the show to share her story from Nithyananda's ashram. The self-styled guru has now fled the country after police followed his allegations of assault and kidnapping. Rachel and Sarah go into detail about "character assassination", or fake allegations that are created to delegitimize people who speak out about abuse. When former members like Sarah began publicly denouncing Nithyananda, adults & children in his ashram were forced to make fake Facebook accounts and create videos scripted by his officials to deny his abuse allegations. Part of their volunteer work in the ashrams was to be trained to publish blogs. Stay tuned, Before You Go: Some apologies aren't really apologies. Rachel tells a story that demonstrates a person who evades responsibility by pretending to be empathetic. IndoctriNation is ending its fourth season and starting the New Year by announcing another call-in episode! This show will focus on beginning a new chapter in your life. What motivated you to leave a damaging situation and what has helped you as you follow a new path? You can also ask Rachel any questions you may have that might help you along your journey. Call and leave Rachel a voicemail, at: 1-(818)-907-0036 or send an email at: indoctrinationshow@gmail.com Where is Nithyananda now? Read more from The Wire (India) https://thewire.in/diplomacy/ecuador-nithyananda-asylum-denied-mea-passport
Dec 17, 2019
Do I Stay or Do I Go? w/ Rachel Bernstein, LMFT - S4E14pt2
00:39:22
How do you get strong enough to leave someone when you've felt shaky for so long? Narcissists have a way of pushing your needs aside and making you believe that decisions you make for yourself are the wrong ones. Rachel encourages listeners to find the strength to set boundaries and stick to them. Listen to Part 1 here: https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/rachel-on-narcissism Before You Go: Why do people stay so long in relationships that are unhealthy?
Dec 11, 2019
Parasitic Relationships w/ Rachel Bernstein, LMFT - S4E14pt1
00:54:45
Have you ever wanted to know what it's like to be with a narcissist? Rachel walks us through a deep psychoanalysis of narcissistic types; tying in real stories from her experience as a therapist. Learn tips to distinguish bad social behavior from manipulation. Unfortunately, this type of abuse can be present in relationships with parents, partners, employers-- people you should be able to trust. Some take advantage of others' loyalty for their own benefit. Rachel debunks common excuses they use to dismiss their own behavior and project blame onto their victim. Hear Rachel's first solo episode, "Home Invasion": https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/episode-16-home-invasion Stay tuned, Before You Go: Rachel shares the story of a girl whose relationship with her narcissistic father led to her being manipulated again by her partner as an adult. She describes many of the unhealthy relationships she's seen as a therapist and gives advice on separating yourself from a parasitic person. Have you been in a relationship with a narcissist? Share your story in the comments, or the IndoctriNation Facebook Discussion Page.
Dec 01, 2019
Escape from Rehab w/ Samantha Eidson, ex-Narconon - S4E13pt2
00:50:07
While working the night staff at Narconon in downtown LA during the riots, Samantha Eidson realized that Scientology's rehab program didn't care about the safety of its staff nor its participants. Samantha provides more details of the Narconon facility inheriting the Chilocco Indian Agricultural School on Ponca lands in Oklahoma. The rehabilitation offered at this facility lacks medical professionalism and gives treatments without any medical basis. It is being marketed as a legitimate program in local schools and their communities. Read more on Samantha's website: http://www.anaccidentalscientologist.com Stay tuned, Before You Go: Rachel shares some of the questions her clients have been asked when they expressed that they were ready to leave a manipulative organization.
Nov 25, 2019
Sweating it out at Narconon w/ Samantha Eidson ex-Scientology - S4E13pt1
00:48:50
Narconon is a Scientology organization that is disguised as rehabilitative care-- with treatments like having to spend many hours in a sauna and being given excessive amounts of niacin. Lacking professional medical direction the program is operated by alumni who graduated from the process like Samantha Eidson, who was a Course Supervisor for Narconon in the late '80s. Here is Samantha's website: http://www.anaccidentalscientologist.com Stay tuned, Before You Go (48:51): Rachel dives into the inner workings of many front groups like Narconon that Scientology and other groups use to recruit the unsuspecting public. In Part 2: "I got to be a Scientologist by accident"... Samantha is rescued from the Narconon program and the grips of Scientology.
Nov 16, 2019
Nithyananda Around My Neck w/ Sarah Landry - S4E12pt2
01:02:26
CW: physical & sexual assault against youth Sarah Landry continues the story of her troubling times in and outside of Nithyananda's cult. Wearing a picture of the Swami G around her neck was one of many rituals the 'guru' put in place to elevate his image. Sarah was under Nithyananda's control for 9 years before removing herself, and the necklace. She became one of his most public representatives in 2011 when she started a YouTube channel and gathered a significant following by sharing his teachings. As head of Social Media, she became one of the only adults that the children in his school had access to and could grow to trust. The kids revealed to her that in his school they were being beaten, sleep-deprived and starved. Sarah continues to face backlash as she uses her platforms to publicly denounce Nithyananda's group as a destructive cult. Stay tuned, Before You Go: "Slander becomes the tool of the losers" when an argument is lost. Socrates said this in regard to the defamatory statements and personal digs that are used as reasoning, rather than facing the facts. Narcissists and cult leaders often use libel as protection. Sign the petition to stop Nithyananda: http://chng.it/mtMVLbwNyx See Sarah's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/MaNithyaSudevi Connect on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Sarah_S_Landry or Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ma.nithya.sudevi
Nov 14, 2019
Swami of the Thoughtless Zone w/ Sarah Landry, ex-Nithyananda cult - S4E12pt1
01:03:28
CW: physical & sexual assault against youth Sarah Landry first discovered Nithyananda at his Vancouver branch, though much of her story takes place within the master guru's pricey "Life Bliss Engineering" program in India. Seeking enlightenment, his disciples endured traumatic punishments to secure his favor and bring them closer to "completion". Sarah spent 9 years in the cult of Nithyananda. She became one of the most public representatives of the cult in 2011 when she started a YouTube channel. She gathered a significant following sharing his teachings on her channel. Due to the channel's popularity, Nithyananda brought her into his inner circle of public disciples and declared her the head of his Social Media team. After discovering that kids in the organization's school were being beaten, sleep deprived and starved-- she is coming forward to publicly denounce the group as a destructive cult. See the "Girl demonstrates Cool SuperPower (Third Eye)" video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtLkzg8bFgA Stay tuned, Before You Go: "I was racist. I was anti-semitic. And I had no problem with that." Rachel describes a conversation she shared with a young man who inherited his father's role as the leader of a hate group. See Sarah's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/MaNithyaSudevi Connect on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Sarah_S_Landry or Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ma.nithya.sudevi She also has beautiful jewelry for sale on Etsy: http://www.etsy.com/shop/TheArtOfGems
Nov 04, 2019
Detouring My Depression w/ Vanessa LaRose - S4E11pt2
00:58:27
Vanessa LaRose's father worked extremely hard to hire a Scientology counselor because it was the only other option within the rules of the group that could potentially help her with anxiety and depression. She continues explaining how her experience with auditing-- and training to become an auditor-- has impacted her goals. A third video interview with Vanessa is available this weekend on Patreon. She explains more Scientology techniques such as "training routines" that promote dissociation. She also offers tips for restoring your mindfulness and taking back control of your mental health. Support the show as a Patron for perks and extra content! Stay tuned, Before You Go: What are the signs of depression- and what could be causing it?
Oct 26, 2019
Join Vanessa LaRose as she exits Scientology - S4E11pt1
00:58:49
After being disconnected from her Scientologist parents for some time, Vanessa LaRose has decided it's finally time to break ties with the "church". She shares how she found Rachel through an underground network and ironically began to study psychology and therapy after fearing it for so long. Vanessa grew up with some of the top Scientology schooling and businesses. She has agreed to share her experience, though she's still in the process of disconnecting from the organization which includes an intense shunning process. Vanessa shares what she knows about how and why the group worked to become recognized as a religion, and explains some Scientology terms. Stay tuned, Before You Go: Rachel debunks the Oxford personality test distributed to recruit people into Scientology, and invites folks to find out more before taking a test that can alter the way you see yourself. Learn more about the Oxford Personality test from Chris Shelton's video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5F7Tw3XmCA&t=824s
Oct 15, 2019
An Impossible Mission w/ Stacey Aviva Flint, ex-ICOC - S4E8pt2
01:01:21
Stacey Aviva Flint continues sharing her story about her mission to Kenya with the International Churches of Christ. Her one year trip became two years, as she was forced, unexpectedly, to pay her own way after dropping out of college and living homeless in New York for months. Stacey also shares her experiences with therapy while in the group and after choosing to leave. At one point she encountered Kip McKeen, the group's leader. She also describes what she was looking for while recruiting as a missionary, and what was expected of her in this role. Stay tuned, Before You Go: How do people get caught in the paradox of being elevated and devastated at the same time? Rachel reveals how often the rules of a cult put guilt on its followers; simultaneously elevating those with uncompromising loyalty.
Oct 14, 2019
There's a Body Count to Magical Thinking w/ Kernan Coleman, critical thinking activist - S4E10
01:12:14
Kernan Coleman became an activist and critical thinking advocate after losing loved ones who denied the existence of HIV though they were effected. He shares his encounters with celebrities and their belief systems, and how growing up agnostic affected his skepticism as he navigated the world of entertainment. Kernan brings a vivid language to his perspective on anti-vax culture, and discusses other uses of mysticism that can cloud critical thinking and cause people to act on myths. He advises everyone to steer themselves away from 'grief vampires' that offer false but convenient information to people who have suffered a loss and are searching for answers. Kernan's evolution from 'science geek kid', to credulous new ager, to becoming an advocate for critical thinking and scientific skepticism- is a work in progress. Rachel gives an update on Alan and Dee from storytelling episode, 'Home Invasion'. Stay tuned, Before You Go: Rachel lists some of the 'new agery' myths that can be used to play to the needs of followers to an organization or individual.
Oct 08, 2019
Agitation & Acceleration w/ Stephen Kent, sociologist - S4E9pt2
00:50:37
Stephen Kent is currently a professor of religious studies and sociology of religion at the University of Alberta in Canada. He continues with Rachel, voicing his perspective on several current political topics. The conversation picks up in discussing the current protests in Hong Kong, and how religious alignment can play a role in developing a biased infrastructure. They were able to converse on a large range of topics including the current global environmental movement, misinformation through private organizations, and the potential effects of alt-right views on the US. Stay tuned, Before You Go: Rachel has some announcements about her upcoming episodes, including a one-on-one informational storytelling episode, similar to 'Home Invasion'. https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/episode-16-home-invasion Rachel adds her final two cents to the topics discussed, and shares a personal story about the effects of bias as an automated response to change.
Oct 01, 2019
Cult Techniques Spilling into Politics w/ Stephen Kent, sociologist - S4E9pt1
00:53:18
Stephen Kent is currently a professor of religious studies and sociology of religion at the University of Alberta in Canada. He shares the knowledge he's acquired over more than thirty years as an academic. Stephen attended University of Maryland in the early seventies and witnessed his campus respond to the Cambodian invasion in protest. Oddly, by the time he came to graduate, he began to notice an increasing popularity of Maharishis, gurus, and cults. These observations inspired Stephen to continue his studies in graduate school with a major in Hinduism and a minor in Gnosticism. Rachel and Stephen's discussion expresses concern for the effects of incentivized academics that are incorporated into cults. Media, marketing, and politicians help to legitimize groups and leaders-- but what are the consequences when they become biased? Stay tuned, Before You Go: While developing an 'inner circle' can be a good source of support, it can be important to have your ideas challenged. Rachel talks about how narcissists rely on the formation of these circles, and often put their followers' reputation on the line rather than their own.
Sep 24, 2019
Starting from Scratch w/ Stacey Aviva Flint, ex-ICOC - S4E8pt1
01:06:20
Stacey Aviva Flint was born and raised in Cincinnati, Ohio, and was a spiritual seeker from a young age though her family wasn't tied to a religion. She was approached by a pseudo-Christian cult known as the International Churches of Christ at age 16. The ICOC was run by a man named Kip McKean, and is not affiliated with the mainline Church of Christ. Rachel has memories of the Boston Movement from the 80's, when she attended Boston University. Passing up scholarships and other big dreams, Stacey became a leader in their Nairobi, Kenya and Cleveland, Ohio branches. Emotional and psychological control in this group orchestrated friendships and marriages, alienation from family, financial exploitation, and loss of individual identity. When she started a family with her husband, Stacey realized she was expected to use many strict techniques on her children (withholding food, ignoring their cries, and physical discipline). With the discovery of an international outcry from its members describing years of abuse, Stacey chose to start making her own decisions. Stay tuned, Before You Go: Rachel highlights some signs of dangerous control, and then sends a shout out to someone working hard to end a group's hold on him. Part 2 Coming Soon: Hear more about Stacey's time on a mission for the group in Africa. It is powerful and intense, troubling and very surprising- definitely tune in!
Sep 16, 2019
Pulling Back the Curtain w/ Claudine, ex-Mormon - S4E7pt2
01:02:23
When Claudine began to feel that she no longer believed the teachings, she realized that part of Mormon testimony was to avoid "anti-Mormon" literature. Passing up their guilt, Claudine and her husband uncovered original documents and their church's history. Rachel helps Claudine unpack this and other techniques including attributing critical thinking to sin or negative energy. The church has also made several changes to homophobic policies and demanding practices to accommodate its members, which the two discuss. Ultimately Claudine's family chose to leave the Latter Day Saints feeling that there was a lack of transparency and intense social pressures built into their testimonies. Stay tuned, Before You Go: The FLDS, or Former Latter Day Saints, are a cultic offshoot of Mormonism made popular by Warren Jeffs. Rachel shares her story of being asked to come to Texas and offer assistance after the raid on the FLDS compound was carried out, and offers her feedback on how the survivors were helped to assimilate in society. View a copy of the letter Rachel received from the commissioner's office in Texas as a Patreon subscriber! Visit Claudine's website, for post Mormon mental health resources: https://www.postmormonmentalhealth.com/
Sep 10, 2019
Consistency is Key w/ Claudine, ex-Mormon - S4E7pt1
00:55:11
After her grandmother passed away, Claudine found peace in her new reality through her faith in Mormonism. Her oldest son, Ian, didn't find the same comfort and began distancing himself from her. When Claudine finally got him to open up, the two went on a journey to better understand their doctrine. Active in the church for 27 years after growing up without associating with a denomination, the sudden loss left Claudine searching for answers. She attended a Mormon funeral and later when missionaries came to her door, she related to the way they processed loss. Claudine's faith was put to the ultimate test when Ian became depressed. Together they began researching areas of the church's history that they had not fully examined before. Eventually they left Mormonism over several contradictory "translation issues" and discrepancies between the teachings on polygamy and the way that it was practiced. Stay tuned, Before You Go: What could be a problem with a belief system that offers itself as the only sanctuary? Rachel reminds us that people tend to hide important parts of themselves in order to remain part of a community.
Sep 03, 2019
Manufacturing Drama w/ Megan, Chicago theater co. - S4E6pt2
01:07:15
CW: physical & sexual abuse Left without help from her family and friends, Megan had only her workplace to depend on. In part two, Rachel and Megan talk about how her financial and emotional dependence was taken advantage of by a couple running a popular Chicago theater company. Simultaneously targeted at home and work, Megan found the courage to leave behind an abusive husband and eventually her employers, offering false promises of refuge. Jeremy, the director, and his wife demonstrated obsessive behavior and dangled Megan's income and physical safety as leverage for her to continue her work in company operations. She tried several times to quit the company, but the owners would stalk and harass her. After her escape and the timely Me Too movement, Megan was able to join forces with five other survivors and many witnesses to bring attention to the actions of Jeremy and his wife. Stay tuned, Before You Go: Rachel dives into 'breaking points'. What is it that causes someone to realize it is time to leave? Read more about Dream theater company here: https://www.clydefitchreport.com/2018/02/menekseoglu-dream-theatre/
Aug 27, 2019
An Abusive Act w/ Megan, Chicago theater co. - S4E6pt1
00:55:55
CW: Domestic and sexual violence Megan spent ten years in Chicago's off-Loop DIY theatre scene as an actor, playwright, costume designer and choreographer. Rachel and Megan speak candidly about the lack of safeguards in the entertainment industry while walking through how she was pitted against other actresses by an invasive director. Jeremy, the director, urged his actors to form a deep kinship with the characters he wrote for the troop's performances. Many of these profound characters struggled with abuse, and were written based on the traumas of the company members themselves. Megan found herself constantly pitted against other actresses to compete for the role of "both the girlfriend and the star". Stay tuned, Before You Go: Rachel provides examples of ways manipulators get you to disclose private information so they can use it against you later. Today Megan performs as a dancer and student of circus and aerial arts. She is a fierce advocate for survivors of domestic and sexual abuse, particularly those in the LGBTQ community and the performing arts. Read about Megan's performances here: "thoroughly captivating and heartbreakingly sincere," - Hollywood Fringe https://www.hollywoodfringe.org/projects/2148?review_id=11269&tab=reviews "flawless," - Chicago Reader https://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/anna-in-the-darkness/Event?oid=7822992 "a quietly powerful tour de force” - New City Stage https://www.newcitystage.com/2012/10/19/review-anna-in-the-darknessdream-theatre-company/
Aug 20, 2019
Betrayal and Power w/ Nitai Joseph, former Hare Krishna - S4E5
01:00:30
Nitai Joseph was a part of a Hare Krishna offshoot sect called Audarya, led by Swami Tripurari in California. He currently studies the power of coercive control across contexts, and has found a scholarly way to understand his experience. Nitai currently works at nonprofits serving victims of coercive subjugation. Through his studies, he has been able to more fully understand cult dynamics. He speaks about threat responses, and how they can grow to be maladaptive even after the threat has been removed, if left unaddressed. The long term effects of betrayal trauma are discussed, as well as how to empower yourself to fully see the reality of your situation. Nitai assisted the leader of the cult and had knowledge of the cult's operations, which led him to part with his position. The cult's crimes included human trafficking, illegal contracting, and racketeering. Nitai started his studies at Columbia University and now studies at the University of Salford. Stay tuned, Before You Go: Rachel emphasizes the importance of taking the time to understand and treat your trauma so you don't go through life protecting yourself rather than connecting with life and fully connecting with others.
Aug 13, 2019
Moon & Machine w/ Teddy Hose - S4E4pt2
00:49:03
Teddy Hose is a motion graphics artist and writer who grew up in the Unification Church, also known as the “Moonies”. He expands on the militaristic themes of the church, including gun violence and physical abuse. While its membership and businesses run worldwide, the Unification Church doctrine bases itself on parental abandonment, paranoia around sex and the outside world, and prioritizing loyalty toward the super wealthy and violent Moon family. Teddy provides shocking details about the Moonies and their problematic history, while also explaining why the cult was appealing to his parents and others. Teddy now lives in San Francisco as an artist and writer. His cult experience and research have become a topic in his stand up comedy, cartooning, and editorials. Teddy has also spoken on the topic in Vice, The Huffington Post, and A&E's Cults and Extreme Belief.
Aug 06, 2019
Our Politics Remind Me of the Moonies w/ Teddy Hose - S4E4pt1
00:55:27
Teddy Hose is a motion graphics artist and writer who grew up in the Unification Church of self-proclaimed messiah, Sun Myung Moon—or the “Moonies”. While its membership and businesses run worldwide, Teddy’s family lived on church properties near the Moon family estate in Tarrytown, New York until he was 13. Life around the Moons was a mix of summer camps, banquets, and close bonds in an international community. These pleasant memories came along with parental abandonment, paranoia around sex and the outside world, and prioritizing loyalty toward the super wealthy, sometimes violence from the Moon family. Teddy now lives in San Francisco as an artist and writer. His cult experience and research have become a topic in his stand up comedy, cartooning, and editorials. Teddy has also spoken on the topic in Vice, The Huffington Post, and A&E's Cults and Extreme Belief. He feels compelled to tell his story by what he has witnessed politically. Emotional and physical manipulation employed in the church polarized its members and prioritized them based on sexual obligations. Next week, hear more about the militaristic themes and influence of Unification Church doctrine.
Jul 29, 2019
Organizing Justice w/ Samantha Manewitz, social worker - S4E3
01:02:53
Samantha Manewitz is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker and educator, and AASECT certified social worker currently based in Massachusetts. Rachel and Samantha discuss harm reduction and the processes of restorative and transformative justice. Optimistically, survivors forming the pods believe that change is possible for their perpetrators. She elaborates on the transformative justice 'pods' that were created by survivors of the Franklin Veaux scandal as well as how they operate. Diving into the systems that are responsible for enforcing justice, the conversation comes to include Scientology's justice systems and use of gaslighting. Hear more about Franklin Veaux from Eve Rickert's two part episode: https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/eve-pt-2 (Part 2) Learn more about Samantha's site, "Safety Beyond Safewords" here: https://www.beyondsafewords.com/ Stay tuned, Before You Go: "Do as I Say, Not as I Do" as a catchphrase among narcissists. Rachel calls out institutional betrayal of survivors and the effect of neglecting to create consequences for abuse.
Jul 23, 2019
Walking Through an Imbalanced World w/ Brie Loskota, USC Director of CRCC - S4E2
01:07:11
Brie Loskota, from the University of Southern California's Center for Religion and Civic Culture, explains 'capacity building' and how it empowers young leaders to advocate for themselves, for their communities, and for community peace building. Brie is a writer widely published and interviewed, with significant roles in many notable religious, public and governmental institutions, and she is the Director of the Safe Communities Institute at USC. Her work includes studying how people use their beliefs to make decisions. Commenting on the productivity of the political environment, Brie addresses how perfectionism has prevented progress. And that a lack of empathy for the "other" or cancellation of someone who doesn't meet personal ideals is a narcissistic outlook. Stay tuned, Before You Go: Rachel talks about Brie's quote "The biggest force against us is our own indifference". And she also explains 'compassion fatigue' and becoming overwhelmed by the feeling that you are unable to make a difference. More on the USC Center for Religion and Civic Culture: This department studies, documents, and helps communities understand the changes that shape religious cultures in Southern California and across the globe. Their goal is to engage scholars and build inclusive communities.
Jul 21, 2019
Asking the Right Questions w/ Mike Kropveld, "infosecte"(infocult) - S4E1
01:14:46
Listen in on a discussion with cult expert Mike Kropveld from Quebec, and his organization InfoCult. Quebec has cults too. They just operate in French! Beginning as an effort to rescue a friend from the Unification Church, the knowledge and attention he has gathered over the 40 years of his program continue to spread awareness and resources to their community and to the rest of the world-- including possibly the most unique collection of cultic literature in all of North America. Stay tuned, Before You Go: Rachel speaks about sharing information and creating a network to tackle large social issues. Keeping an open mind and interest will build nuanced understanding of issues we may not have been exposed to, and a safer world for all. Learn more about InfoCult at infocult.org, or find them on Facebook at facebook.com/infocult.infosecte.org
Jul 09, 2019
Is Ending My Life The Only Way Out? w/ April, ex-Scientology - S3E15pt2
01:01:15
Body language and speech are the tools we need to use to express nuanced feelings. But in Scientology and other groups like it, those who express sadness, grief, or doubt are labeled as strictly negative or troubled and treated as outliers for unsuccessfully suppressing their natural emotions. April returns for part two of her episode; opening up about her brother who is still living in a fog of Scientology, as well as her own experience with suicidal thoughts while in the group. When she began to reveal that she was unhappy in the group, instead of receiving help or compassion she was ostracized from her friends and group settings to the point of being kicked out. The Sea Organization prevents the young members in its guardianship from seeking outside help. Psychiatry, therapy, and medication are heavily demonized in this realm where many are in need of more information and support rather than mistreatment and interrogation.
Jul 02, 2019
Escaping NXIVM w/ Catherine Oxenberg Re-Release - S2E4pt1
00:56:23
IndoctriNation presents its first re-release from 10 months ago, when Rachel was joined by Catherine Oxenberg who had been fighting to pull her daughter away from the cult NXIVM. They discuss her book, Captive, and her daughter India's experience during and after leaving the group. Run by Keith Raniere, who was just convicted on all charges on June 19, 2019, the organization was heavily bankrolled by billionaire Seagram's heiress Clare Bronfman and others. Catherine consulted Rachel after discovering that her daughter was recruited into the secret upper-echelon called "DOS", where its members were nearly starved and branded. There will be a follow-up episode with Catherine soon! Stay tuned, Before You Go: Explore the struggle of stepping in as a parent to an adult who is being manipulated by undue influence. Rachel encourages people who care about their loved ones in compromising situations to ask hard questions, even if it means being seen as critical.
Jun 22, 2019
"You Only Know What You Know" w/ April, ex-Scientology - S3E15pt1
01:15:56
April’s former fear of psychology, medication, therapy, and even yoga were ingrained from a young age as she grew up in the Church of Scientology. She was taught to view mental health specialists as people who only wanted to capitalize on other people’s problems, and issue brainwashing medications. Scientology auditing replaced programs that could be helpful, and instead used their power to take advantage of the participants’ fears and need for acceptance. Rachel and April discuss the cause of epidemic suicide in young people who have no one to turn to outside of an abusive organization, after going through behavior modifications. Stay tuned, Before You Go: Rachel offers advice for breaking the cycle of manipulation when an abuser refuses to acknowledge their role. She encourages those who feel guilty for speaking up or taking action to be confident in their critical thinking skills.
Jun 18, 2019
To Err Is Human, To Forgive Divine w/ Chanon Bloch on post-Apartheid - S3E13pt2
01:09:20
This episode, titled after the Alexander Pope quote, is a small component to a deeply thought out response from Chanon Bloch and Rachel. After receiving large amounts of both positive and negative comments, the two respond to the backlash of their first episode (link below) by pointing out that this is precisely how a majority can continue to remain indoctrinated. Using South Africa's apartheid as his personal example, Chanon opened up a few weeks ago and challenged listeners to examine their own biases and behavior. Challenging thoughts by nature are not easy to accept, and are easily confused as a threat. He believes indoctrinated prejudice is a force that must be conquered in order to fully hold ourselves accountable; breaking and ending biased views instead of allowing them to manifest a new form. Listen to Pt. 1 of this episode here: https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/channon-bloch
Jun 11, 2019
National Racism and Fear w/ Chanon Bloch, on post-Apartheid - S3E13
00:56:42
CW: racism Chanon Bloch takes our show in a new direction. Growing up in the peak of Apartheid (born 1957), he reflects on his childhood to unravel the embedded racism left behind by colonialism. He details, for the first time on this show, how racism is indoctrinated; through his experience growing up as a white man in South African society, with indentured servants. Dividing his own biases from reality, Chanon emphasizes the importance of taking the time to question any assumptions or fears that one may have, as well as their origins. Stay tuned, Before You Go: Rachel details her unsettling trip to South Africa, "post-Apartheid". New to the subject of "Apartheid"? Here is a very brief summary from the Al Jazeera Network: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd-BB5U9BAg
May 21, 2019
If Hubbard Didn't Write It, It's Not True w/ Joey Chait, ex-Scientology - S3E12pt2
00:52:33
Joey continues telling his story; presenting an internal system that is morally falling apart on itself. He shares details from the intense, intrusive Scientology auditing process. This included a mandatory HIV test -- even though he had no sexual history -- and being forced to read L. Ron Hubbard's deeply prejudiced science fiction novels, among other therapies, as punishment. This group has a history of censoring their members' search bars; shielding them from outside opinions and "exclusive knowledge". Joey speaks about coping with his experience in Scientology by hearing and sharing stories with survivors. Stay Tuned, Before You Go: Rachel contemplates how being made to suppress your emotions and natural reactions can make you afraid of them.
May 14, 2019
Crossing the Bridge w/ Joey Chait, ex-Scientology - S3E12pt1
00:55:15
Joey Chait was born into Scientology-- but this belief system did not welcome him as is. Though his parents were high in the ranks and had crossed the "bridge to total freedom", he was interrogated in deliberations 8 hours a day, for two months, because he had shown signs of being gay. His interest in exploring and accepting his sexuality was suppressed; like many children who are finding their own way, without familial support. Stay tuned, Before You Go: Rachel shares a personal story about exploring and communicating your feelings through interactions with your family, as a young person. She reminds us that growing up and finding your identity may not always be easy, but it should bring you confidence and joy.
May 07, 2019
Charisma over Content w/ Ron Burks, ex-Gold Coast Covenant Church - S3E11pt2
01:01:19
The Gold Coast Covenant "Church" had 50,000 members at the time Ron Burks was among the congregation; and it still exists today by twisting beloved verses from the Bible. An organization that prioritizes leaders on charisma rather than content. After 10 years of doubting what he knew was right for himself-- and speaking in tongues for 8hrs a day-- Ron asked himself the questions he needed to find his freedom. Stay Tuned, Before You Go: Rachel describes her experience meeting the Mother, Wife, and Brother of God. Learn more about Ron's work from his website: ronburksphd.com & read more about Gold Coast Covenant with his book, "Damaged Disciples" on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Damaged-Disciples-Casualties-Authoritarian-Shepherding/dp/0310576113/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=damaged+disciple&qid=1555967505&s=gateway&sr=8-1
Apr 30, 2019
Accepting Your Deception w/ Ron Burks, ex-Gold Coast Covenant Church - S3E11pt1
00:51:22
Working as a substance abuse and mental health counsellor, Ron Burks began to draw neurological connections between reactions to reward, addiction, and being a part of a group. He challenged the belief system of his "church" and discovered double standards between the rules made by his leaders and the Christian-leaning congregation. Before You Go: Rachel talks about the power of information, and why oppressors withhold it Learn how Ron Burks transformed his experience with a cult through his work with his wife, Vicki, and at the Wellspring Retreat and Resource Center: https://www.amazon.com/Damaged-Disciples-Casualties-Authoritarian-Shepherding/dp/0310576113/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=damaged+disciple&qid=1555967505&s=gateway&sr=8-1
Apr 23, 2019
ONE YEAR Call-In Anniversary Show - S3E10
01:07:43
Rachel answers questions from her frequent listeners and Patreon subscribers. She will be sharing tips on confronting manipulation in your relationship, in your support group, or even in your church. Learn how to define a cult and protect yourself from a group of people who could be destructive in your life.
Apr 15, 2019