The UFO Rabbit Hole Podcast

By Kelly Chase

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A speculative nonfiction podcast about UFOs — and everything else. Hosted by Kelly Chase.

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Ep 11: Nazis & UFOs [Pt 1]: The Emergence Of UFO Lore
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In part one of this 3-part series on the UFO lore connected to WWII and Nazi Germany, we begin by doing a deep dive into the emergence of UFO lore itself.

While there is a ton of UFO lore connected to WWII, what is largely considered to be the first modern UFO sighting didn’t happen until 1947—2 years after the war ended. So to understand exactly what was going on during WWII, we need to first understand, not just how UFO lore first emerged, but how belief systems in general emerge and evolve over time.

We’ll talk about the ontological complexity of the 20th century, the sequence of events in 1947 that shaped our modern understanding of the phenomenon, and dive deeper into the mystery surrounding the lore to ask some of the bigger questions. This includes one question that I never thought I’d ask, which is—could the emergence of UFO mythology be the seeds of a modern religion?

A massive shout out to Diana Walsh Pasulka for her incredible book, American Cosmic, which helped me look at the phenomenon in a whole new light and played a big role in shaping this episode.

MENTIONED IN EPISODE:
American Cosmic: UFOs, Religion, Technology by D.W. Pasulka
In Plain Sight: An Investigation Into UFOs and Impossible Science by Ross Coulthart
Luis Elizondo on EarthFiles with Linda Moutlon Howe

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MUSIC:
Winter by ANBR

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TIMESTAMPS
00:30 Introduction
02:12 Acknowledgement: D.W. Pasulka, American Cosmic
03:33 New Paradigms Of The 20th Century
05:26 Ontological Chaos Leading Up To WWII
08:59 Positivism
12:40 Materialism & Physicalism
14:24 A Cultural Divide
19:03 UFOs: A New Paradigm Emerges
20:26 Music Break (Winter by ANBR)
23:33 Understanding The Emergence Of UFO Lore
24:27 Kenneth Arnold & The “First” “Flying Saucer”
26:56 The Roswell Incident
29:16 A New Paradigm Emerges
30:42 UFOs & Aliens
32:39 UFOs & Alien Abductions
35:19 UFO Lore: Sorting Out Fact From Fiction
43:27 Are UFOs A New Religion?
44:49 American Cosmic by D.W. Pasulka
45:16 UFOs & Hierophanies
47:40 Shaping Hierophanies Into Belief Structures
52:30 Revelation & Biological Effects (The 6th Observable)
56:12 Conclusion




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May 19, 2022
Ep 10: A Rational Approach To Ancient Aliens [Pt 3]: Non-Human Intervention & Cataclysms
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In the final part of this 3 part series, A Rational Approach to Ancient Aliens, we finally get to the good stuff — non-human intervention and cyclical global cataclysms. We’ll start by taking a tour of some of the most mysterious archeological sites in the world: from Puma Punku in Bolivia to Baalbek in Lebanon. We’ll even talk about a sunken city off the coast of Cuba that may be 50,000 years old.

Do these anomalous sites prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the ancient alien theory is true, and that human civilization was guided — or perhaps even seeded — but a super advanced intelligence in the distant past?

And finally, we’ll look at the evidence surrounding the cataclysm that kicked off the Younger Dryas as well as examine the possibility that a more dramatic and profound cycle of global disasters may be responsible for shaping human history.

EPISODE BRIEF WITH PICTURES

MUSIC
Asturias by Alon Peretz
Ancient by Nimrod Nol

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TIMESTAMPS
00:01:44 The Sunken City In Cuba
00:07:14 Puma Punku & Tiwanaku
00:17:53 Baalbek
00:21:00 The Most Impressive Parts Of Megalithic Structures Are Usually The Oldest Parts
00:23:38 Are Ancient Aliens Real?
00:26:21 Pockets Of Civilization Were Isolated AND Global
00:29:31 Evidence Of Advanced Technology
00:33:10 Human Civilization More Ancient Than We Thought
00:36:27 It Could Have Been Aliens
00:43:49 Who Is Inside The UFOs?
00:45:27 Why Did Ancient Humans Create Megaliths?
00:51:10 If Pre-Ice Age Civilizations Existed, What Happened To Them?
00:51:42 The Younger Dryas & The Ice Ages
00:54:09 What Caused The Younger Dryas?
00:55:51 A Comet Impact
00:57:21 A Solar Event
00:58:43 The Mystery Of The Poles
00:59:06 The Great Flood
01:02:16 Albert Einstein, Charles Hapgood, & Immanuel Velikovsky
01:03:15 Crust Displacement & Earth’s Shifting Crust
01:05:39 Worlds In Collision
01:09:06 The CIA and The Story Of Adam & Eve 
01:14:27 Mark J. Carlotto & Alignment Of Megalithic Structures
01:21:33 The Esoteric Tradition & UFOs





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Apr 03, 2022
Ep 9: A Rational Approach to Ancient Aliens [Pt 2]: The Secret History Of Human Civilization
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In this episode we dive into part 2 of our series on the concept of ancient aliens by examining whether or not the UFO phenomenon may have played some role in the emergence of human civilization.

Human civilization is the manifestation of everything that makes the human species so unique — but how did it evolve? Where did it come from? 

To attempt to answer this question we’ll look at how we define civilization and how we identify it in the archeological record. We’ll look at the story of human civilization according to mainstream academics, as well as evidence that this story is incorrect.

And finally, we’ll begin to discuss how the story of human civilization might be rewritten, and the role that the UFO phenomenon may have played — along with other startling possibilities.

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TIMESTAMPS

What Is Civilization? 00:03:25
What Is The Difference Between Civilization And Culture? 00:04:27
Written Language As A Hallmark Of Civilization 00:06:56
Challenges Of Using Written Language To Define Civilization 00:08:13
Written language isn’t always durable 00:08:39
Written Language isn’t necessarily recognizable 00:12:23

The Legacy Of Gordon V. Childe 00:14:15
Personal Bias In Assessing Ancient Civilizations 00:15:38
Savagery, Barbarism & Civilization 00:20:36
Problems With Childe’s Model 00:22:03
It’s hard to define 00:22:15
The language is coded With Cultural Bias 00:22:46

The Story Of Human Civilization (According To Mainstream Academia) 00:24:36
The Younger Dryas
Neolithic Revolution
Urban Revolution
Civilization

The Pieces That Don’t Fit 00:29:28
Gobekli Tepe 00:30:08
What We Can Learn From Gobekli Tepe: 00:32:20
It completely obliterates our previous timeline of human civilization 00:33:04
It may contain evidence of written language 00:35:00
The development of agriculture may not have been the driving force behind the Neolithic Revolution 00:37:09

[Music Break] Goodbye by 8opus 00:38:01

The Sphinx 00:39:58
Robert Shoch’s Sphinx Research 00:40:40
The Evidence That The Sphinx Is Older Than We Thought 00:42:14
The Proximity Argument 00:43:07
The Pyramids May Not Be Correctly Dated 00:44:02
Water Erosion On The Sphinx 00:45:54
The Head Of The Sphinx May Have Been Recarved 00:47:33
Arguments Against Shoch’s Theory 00:50:18
The Truth About Pseudoscience 00:51:54

[Music Break] Infinity Cycle by SPEARFISHER 00:52:32

Rewriting The History Of Human Civilization 00:55:14
Could Hunter-Gatherers Have Built Gobekli Tepe? 00:57:38
Could We Detect An Ancient, Advanced Civilization? 01:00:40
What Happened 12,000 Years Ago? 01:03:58
Human Civilization Could Be Much Older Than We Thought 01:04:38
Humans May Have Been Assisted By An Advanced Intelligence 01:07:37



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Mar 09, 2022
Ep 8: A Rational Approach To Ancient Aliens [Pt 1]: Archeology & Epistemology
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Over the last seven episodes, we’ve established that the Pentagon has admitted that UFOs are real, that they are operating with impunity in our airspace, and that we don’t know what they are. We’ve talked through some of the most common explanations for what the UFO phenomenon might be, considering everything from secret human technology to future humans and from extraterrestrials to ultraterrestrials. We’ve also met some — though certainly not all of the main players in the current disclosure movement.

Although we’ve covered a lot of ground, when it comes to understanding the full scope of the UFO phenomenon and its implications for humankind, we’ve barely scratched the surface.
In this episode, we’ll begin to tackle some of the most fundamental questions raised by the UFO phenomenon — starting with the question of whether the UFO phenomenon may have had an influence on our ancestors in the distant past.

For many, this line of questioning brings to mind Ancient Aliens, and the ancient astronaut theory, but there are other equally startling and profound possibilities that are suggested by the evidence as well — including the idea that the story of human civilization is far longer and far more dazzling that we ever imagined.

But before we can begin to truly tackle these questions, we need to spend some time talking about the epistemology of archeology — what do we know, what can we know, and how sure are we that the established narrative of human history is correct?

We’ll do a quick intro to epistemology, discuss some of the verification challenges that exist within archeology, explore the limits of our current dating techniques and the unique challenges that we encounter in attempting to date megalithic structures. We’ll also look at the academia and the peer review system to identify the ways that the most innovative and potentially impactful ideas can be systematically rejected and marginalized. And finally, we’ll talk about the difference between science and pseudoscience, and establish a simple framework that we can use to tell the difference between the two.

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Music: Waking FromThe Dream by Charlie Ryan

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Feb 15, 2022
Ep 7: Mr. Delonge Goes To Washington [Pt 2]: It Gets Crazier
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In this episode, we pick up with Tom Delonge where we left off in Part 2 — with the stunning and unlikely events that led to the formation of the To The Stars Academy of Arts & Sciences and ultimately to the Pentagon’s admission that UFOs are real.

So what happened to TTSA? What are the original TTSA members (including Lou Elizondo, Chris Mellon, Jim Semivan, Hal Puthoff, and Steve Justice) doing now? In this episode we’ll get an update. 

We’ll also explore why it is, that despite his astonishing success and ultimate vindication, that Tom Delonge continues to be a controversial figure in the UFO community. 

And finally, we’ll get to the part that everyone has been waiting for — what does Tom Delonge believe about the UFO phenomenon? It’s been confirmed that Delonge’s advisors within the government weren’t just real, but they are the very people who would know what secrets the government might be hiding about UFOs. So with this insider knowledge and guidance, one has to assume that what Delonge says publicly about his beliefs surrounding the phenomena has been shaped significantly by his exposure to and briefings by these individuals. 

Which is exactly why what Tom Delonge has to say about UFOs is so shocking. You won’t want to miss this one.


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Episode Reading List:
Sekret Machines: Gods: Volume 1 of Gods Man & War (Gods, Man & War) by Tom Delonge and Peter Lavenda
Sekret Machines: Man: Sekret Machines Gods, Man, and War Volume 2 by Tom Delonge and Peter Lavenda
Sekret Machines Book One: Chasing Shadows by Tom DeLonge & A.J. Hartley
Sekret Machines Book Two: A Fire Within by Tom DeLonge & A.J. Hartley


TIMESTAMPS
01:16 Intro
01:54 Where Is To The Stars Academy Now?
05:01 What does Lou Elizondo say about Tom Delonge and TTSA?
09:06 Why Is Tom Delonge A Controversial Figure In The UFO Community?
09:15 Reason 1: He’s Tom Delonge
11:06 Reason 2: People are jealous
13:02 Reason 3: He’s making money.
17:25 Reason 4: Why Tom Delonge?
18:34 Reason 5: Everyone hates the military-industrial complex.
24:38 What Does Tom Delonge Believe (and why it freaks Ross Coulthart out)?
33:16 The Universe According To Tom Delonge
33:28 God
33:56 Humans & The Others
34:31 Atlantis
35:00 “gods with a little ‘g’”
35:43 Religion & Cargo Cults
36:35 Roswell, Other Crashes & the Beginning of UFO Secrecy
37:38 Cold War
37:58 Disinformation Campaigns
38:16 What did we find on the Moon?
38:32 Alien Abductions, Cattle Mutilations & Demons
38:46 What is special about humans?
39:16 A black pyramid underground in Alaska
39:38 Conclusion

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Feb 03, 2022
Ep 6: Mr. Delonge Goes To Washington [Pt 1]: The Craziest Story You've Never Heard
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Hidden in plain sight, right smack dab in the middle of the growing UFO disclosure movement of the past 5 years, is a story so strange, so entirely unexpected that you wouldn’t be blamed for mistaking it for fiction — but it’s true. 

Within the events and cast of characters around the infamous New York Times article and the leaked US Navy videos that confirmed the reality of the UFO phenomenon one unlikely figure stands out among the crowd of former CIA agents, aerospace executives, and other high-ranking officials — pop punk icon, Tom Delonge. 

But the notorious UFO enthusiast and former Blink 182 frontman doesn’t just make a cameo in this story — without him, there would likely have been no story to tell.

In part one of this story, we’ll explore how Tom Delonge’s early life and road to stardom set him on a collision course with this important moment in history, the shocking story of how he assembled his team for the To The Stars Academy of Arts & Sciences, and the pivotal role that he played in the events that led to the Pentagon’s stunning admission that UFOs are, in fact, real.

Hear the full interview of Ross Coulthard on Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

Music by Rival Tides 
Music Break: Vultures! [Instrumental]
Outro Music: All My Friends Are Stoned [Instrumental]

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Episode Reading List:
Sekret Machines: Gods: Volume 1 of Gods Man & War (Gods, Man & War) by Tom Delonge and Peter Lavenda
Sekret Machines: Man: Sekret Machines Gods, Man, and War Volume 2 by Tom Delonge and Peter Lavenda
Sekret Machines Book One: Chasing Shadows by Tom DeLonge & A.J. Hartley
Sekret Machines Book Two: A Fire Within by Tom DeLonge & A.J. Hartley



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TIMESTAMPS:

00:00 Intro Music
00:30 Intro
03:10 Tom Delonge: Early Life
04:45 Tom Delonge: Formation of Blink-182 & Career
11:08 2014: Tom Delonge’s First Encounter With The UFO Phenomenon
13:01 Tom Delonge Leaves Blink-182
13:54 To The Stars
17:36 Tom Delonge Assembles His Advisors
18:00 Music Break
20:11 The Aerospace Executive
24:46 The General
26:47 The CIA
28:46 Has Tom Delonge Lost His Mind?
30:04 The Podesta Emails
33:3

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Jan 25, 2022
Ep 5: The Interdimensional and Ultraterrestrial Hypotheses
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Although the UFO phenomenon tends to be associated with aliens, there are a few even more fantastical theories about its origins.

Many of most respected scientists and researchers in ufology don't think that the evidence points to any of the more conventional explanations — and that whoever is creating UFOs might not be from the stars at all, but from right here on Earth.

But how could an advanced civilization be here without our knowledge? In this episode we explore the possible answers.

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Music: Eleven Hours A Night by Yehezkel Raz
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00:00 Introduction
00:05:14 Jacques Valleé & J. Allen Hynek
00:10:10 Valleé’s 5 Arguments Against The Extra Terrestrial Hypothesis
00:10:46 Argument 1 - The Reports Are Too Numerous
00:12:11 Argument 2 - Humanoid “Aliens” Are Not Likely To Have Originated On Another Planet
00:13:00 Argument 3 - The Behavior Of These Beings Doesn’t Make Sense
00:14:46 Argument 4 - The Phenomenon Has Been Present Throughout Recorded Human History
00:16:51 Argument 5 - The Technology Suggests Something More Than Extraterrestrial
00:17:44 Valleé’s New Hypotheses
00:18:10 The Interdimensional Hypothesis
00:19:50 The Ultraterrestrial Hypothesis
00:20:59 Is The UFO Phenomenon A Control Mechanism?
00:24:06 Music Break 
00:25:30 Do Other Dimensions Exist?
00:25:52 The Double Slit Experiment Revisited
00:29:43 The Copenhagen Interpretation
00:32:23 The Many Worlds Interpretation
00:34:01 Grappling With Infinity
00:34:58 The Free Will Problem
00:36:49 Infinity And The Self
00:37:24 An Unprovable Hypothesis

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Jan 07, 2022
Ep 4: Are UFOs Humans From The Future?
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Although the UFO phenomenon tends to be associated with extraterrestrial visitors from other worlds, could the explanation lie closer to home? Could these craft actually be humans from the future?

Since the publishing of his ground-breaking book, In Plain Sight: An Investigation Into UFOs & Impossible Science, acclaimed investigative journalist, Ross Coulthart has begun to open up about a startling claim he says is coming from his contacts at the highest levels of our government — that  UFOs are future human technology.

Could this astonishing claim possibly be true? We dive into this question on this week's episode of The UFO Rabbit Hole Podcast

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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00:00 Introduction
00:01:40 The Future Human Hypothesis
00:03:50 How Will Humans Look In The Future?
00:06:32 What Might Future Humans Be Doing Here?
00:11:04 Music Break
00:12:08 Ross Coulthardt and The Future Human Hypothesis
00:17:28 Problems With The Future Human Hypothesis
00:20:00 Is Time Travel Possible?

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Dec 17, 2021
Ep 3: Are UFOs Alien Technology?
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In this episode, we finally ask the burning question that's been on everyone's mind: If UFOs aren't from here, does that mean that they're from "out there"?

We go down the rabbit hole to discuss the possibility that the UFO phenomenon is alien technology. What are the chances that intelligent extra life exists? How would it get here if it did exist? And why haven't we encountered them yet if they're here?

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TIMESTAMPS:

00:00:00 Introduction
00:01:53 Fermi’s Paradox: Where Is Everybody?
00:03:30 Young Earth, Old Universe
00:04:04 The Kardashev Scale
00:04:36 Type I Civilization
00:05:02 Type II Civilization
00:05: 24 Type III Civilization
00:05:57 The Drake Equation
00:07:50 Observation Selection Bias
00:09:24 Fermi Paradox: All The Possible Explanations
00:09:48 Explanation #1: We haven’t found signs of intelligent life outside of our planet because it isn’t there.
00:10:18 The Great Filter
00:10:59 Possibility #1: We’re Rare
00:12:31 Possibility #2: We’re First
00:13:19 Possibility #3: We’re Screwed
00:14:06 Explanation #2: There is intelligent life all over the place, but there’s a good explanation for why we haven’t found it yet.
00:14:49 Possibility #1: We’re assholes
00:15:38 Possibility #2: There are way bigger assholes out there than us out there
00:16:37 Possibility #3: There’s just one super-asshole
00:16:56 Possibility #4: Aliens have been here, but it was a long time ago
00:17:23 Possibility #5: We live in the boonies of our Milky Way
00:17:48 Possibility #6: Our technology is too primitive to detect extraterrestrial civilizations
00:18:13 Possibility #7: We are too primitive to detect extraterrestrial civilizations
00:18:54 Possibility #8: The government is hiding the evidence of aliens
00:19:04 Possibility #9: The Earth is a zoo
00:19:48 Possibility #10: We are fundamentally wrong about the nature of our reality (simulation hypothesis)

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Dec 10, 2021
Ep. 2: Are UFOs Human Technology?
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In this episode of The UFO Rabbit Hole Podcast we dive into the question of whether UFOs could actually be human technology. Could this be a massive government cover up? Could disclosure be a psyop designed to consolidate power and instigate war? Or could this technology belong to one of our adversaries?

And what would it take for us to consider other more "exotic" alternatives? Does it even make sense to consider non-human technology as a possibility?

The answers might surprise you. Welcome back to the UFO Rabbit Hole.

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Nov 19, 2021
Ep. 1: The Pentagon Says That UFOs Are Real
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Nov 18, 2021